well, it is quite long, a few months, at least it is necessary to restore piloting skills, piloting skills , although the usual accounting in a circle, then some other complex elements, composition, then to fight on this plane, you still need the skills to use weapons and so on, it’s not all simple, then actions at night, e.e. vacation well, these are all the elements of flight training, and it is a long one. well, if they are lacking, then let them mobilize, preferably, those who, together with the planes, will come to us, then to you. and please tell me here is the information, it is so ... appears from time to time eh well, in fact it doesn't change, that's why information appears that russia has concentrated near the borders with ukraine there, eh, several hundred , if i'm not mistaken, several thousand more. well, now i'm afraid to lie, as if several thousand units of aviation are helicopters of the official the technicians to which

ukrainian borders were given like this. a week ago, this information is nothing new. at the beginning of the aggression, there were 700,750, yes, they say. well, we have already destroyed. cut off one head, it grew well, in fact, there is nothing strange here, but the good news is that they destroyed at the beginning of the aggression, that is, the first month, in fact, the newest equipment was better concentrated around the borders, that is 40 airfields , belarus, russia, crimea, e-e, t-40 e- there are airfields that are not bordered, and close to the borders of ukraine , the don is built there, and so on. this is the aviation that is involved every day in the actual attacks of ukraine, and this is 800, 800 pieces of equipment. russia only has the equipment that it has lost. it simply pulls up from the middle from other countries, the bass is stored for a long time and

replenishes its losses, but as we can already see that su-24m e planes are used, and not su-34 e-e, there is information that they have already seen legs there somewhere, well, it is unofficial, but there is, so, after all, there is a little bit of technology already in good working order but what is capable of flying is possible and lacking, well, in order to maintain such a large aviation group around the owner of the borders and i will ask you another question. they just told you that russian equipment was attacked and at russian bases in the zones. last night, the russian public shouted about the fact that they are smooth and explosive, they already wrote something interesting in bursts , not everyone writes claps anymore, some of them are like that, it means that he became a hero of the daredevils. and he writes with eh in kursk to a resort, is there anything known about it, because i’m reading today, i don’t have access to russian sites there, certain things need to be done in order to have access there, we have colleagues who are

actively involved in russia and cover it on the air, i will not go there but do you know anything about this jacket, the airfield and in general among the things that are used for the approach of russian planes here to ukraine one sun of those that i have already said, it is used in fact by all airfields, the only thing is that there are elite runways and the infrastructure of the airfield, which is capable, and the more planes are capable of smaller planes, er, and well, and according to the types of aviation equipment , too, let them need to disperse the feeling 24/7 airspace and threaten in different directions well, yes, tactical techniques were used at the level of the character of what happened there uh-uh, there is no information yet. i think that after uh-uh, what do they publish? ugh. thank you, mr. yuriy, for the conversation. yuriy ignati, the spokesman for the air of the armed forces of ukraine was with us. well, then we will

tell you about how a small village in donetsk region lives now, which was under shelling for five months. the occupiers were moving towards sloviansk, but our rabid anti-ukrainian army ran into the village since the spring. the valley found itself in the middle of two fires, the russians were never able to capture it, so our army fought raisins in the village of dolyna. finally, there was silence, let's see how it lives now. vitaliy bakumenko will tell us about it. the russians hit the village with all the weapons they had. there was aviation, artillery, mortars, now the front has moved back a little, but it is quite dangerous here and now because there are many unexploded shells around and you have to be careful and always look under your feet because there are many petal mines under your feet, the sappers will have enough work here. for years, the military has been saying to return to this the village will be possible not soon but nowhere , the houses are broken, some completely in a pile of construction

debris, it is difficult to see what was once a comfortable village house, about half a thousand people lived here. now there is no one, only pets in in search of food and pushed through the streets, they attacked and attacked and simply covered with sectors , they didn't care if there were civilians or military, well, it didn't bother them at all. what is left here from their actions vladyslav shows us the ruins of the church, it was built 150 years ago, now everything is left here, except for the bell. it is very symbolic. i guess we will see it there now. there is a small ukrainian circus. the patriarchate is also almost intact, but what they left from their shrine, this is what they did here in this settlement. well, as you can see, the russian coat of arms attests

to the fact that this was the cathedral of the moscow patriarchate of the russians . they stood on the mountain a little further , several times they tried to break through the defense of the ukrainian army in the valley, but they held back in vain, and at the beginning of september, the occupiers were no longer there, all the rusty russian tanks tried to stop the advance of the ukrainian defense forces, and somehow they say they tried, but there was one nuance, this is the ukrainian artillery, these tanks are here, now all that remains is this burnt equipment. at the entrance to the kharkiv region, the russians overtook a lot of them here. were standing on this road and found themselves under heavy artillery fire, these tanks were working in the direction for a long time. so when something very kind flew towards them and detonated the ammunition, in principle , the crew had no chance, now on the side of the road all of them not with russian metallurgy, but when they fled, they

left behind a lot of serviceable equipment, a lot of trophies, e.e. bmp, e.e. rsz tanks, i don’t know from the number of bmp that were left here, probably. two brigades can be formed in full, part of the equipment will of course have to be repaired from e-e. here how did this bmp-1 armored car come off the assembly line back in 1968 in zhytomyr oblast. then, after the collapse of the ussr, the car ended up on the territory of the russian federation. and again this bmp returned home to ukraine in a week, it will beat the enemy, the military assures, and we are repairing it gusli, the repair car will come, then we will go to ours, we will change the slats and we will go to replenish the kit and we will fight vitaliy bokumenko oscar janson from the tv channel sts well, what are

our boys and girls who are harrowing on gray equipment captured? and besides, the occupiers surrender to us. the more of them, the better, because they can then be exchanged for uh, our military, who , unfortunately, ended up in russian captivity, and we see what kind of russian captivity this is, because if you see those uh, russian military who leave the ukrainian of captivity, they are fed and healthy, although later they tell how hard it was for them, how they were beaten here, but the appearance of our soldiers returning from russian captivity is much more eloquent and shows a lot about how they treat people, by the way, the information was today it was announced by the official bodies that the psychological and physical condition of our soldiers , who were released now, 215 of our soldiers, is very serious. that is why they need to be rehabilitated

. we know this hero, who is so famous for which now the ukrainians are simply uh, at a crazy pace, the members are raising money for uh, his bone restoration, he actually doesn't have it. well, because they are defective, they took out this device that was standing, which uh, was tightening the bone here, and they did it, well, with terrible methods they just pulled it out with pliers and that's all i just, at one time, my leg was broken and i was drilled into the bone. but we won't to talk about this because anna naumenko is in contact with us - she is the wife of the defender of zostali dmytro danilov, she is a co-organizer of the association of families of defenders of azovstal, and as far as i understand , anna's husband has not yet returned from captivity, ms. anna.

we congratulate you. good afternoon, please tell me. you see now in what condition our boys and girls are returning from captivity. and do you know anything about the condition of your husband, and he writes that we managed to be present at one stage of this exchange and also that we met with the child of our graduates who are now in the same students, who are they distributed, and the fact is that their condition is really showing all the russian captivity, public russian captivity, what is happening to the westerners is unclear, i spoke yesterday with a person who was taken out of the place where he was, where they brought my husband and now i know where he is, it would be a little easier for me

because now i understand where he is, but it's bad because there are beatings in the city where i'm staying, so i don't know how strong they can be comment but i understand that this is a place where physical 2 in people is subjected to a-and indeed defenders are very much paid attention by the press to them now and i therefore want to ask everyone not to put pressure on the prisoners not to ask them for interviews now because they are very it's difficult for them to agree, but their physical and strategic condition can allow what may be needed now for some other investigative actions, well , by the way, this is true. i'm generally surprised, i haven't seen the interview yet. and ask what's up people for the first time we have to work with specialists with doctors and psychologists in developmental matters, that is, there is something to do , right now is not the time to call and tell. moreover , what can i tell about these animals who were

abused there, they are in a very terrible condition. i would like to pay, but we talked to just families azov people who are currently in the united states of america, they are also doing a great job and are trying to reach everyone they can to influence this process of exchange of prisoners or release. please tell me. to what extent is this process positive now, because it is our diplomacy and the president's office, and well, who can get involved, they only get involved when you can wait, well, at least for the possibility that the red cross was admitted . on the other hand, i understand how painful and difficult it is now for you and other family members of our men , women, up to 8,000 of our soldiers and civilians in captivity, but we know that they have something special about the azov people, about the defenders of mariupol. the attitude is negative, please anu, look now

a lot of processes are happening in parallel after the first one, this is the exchange that got the second one, and we don’t know when the next one will be, of course. public or public persons and it should not and it will not fall from the information field er, now everyone continues to talk about it and the fight continues against such defenders and about the red cross well, i think that there is a certain period the first is you the first week it is very hyped it is very intense informationally and in the future after that it will be possible to work a lot with the continuation of the fight on the red cross cream on other structures well here here continue to work as a whole because now it is carried from different sides on the one hand a lot of the press is falling, you are dealing with this issue, it is a lot of struggle,

now it is branching out a little, it is distracted by all media processes and media processes help on the one hand and on the other hand they take time for communication and separation from just some possible practical work, now we have to wait a little until everything calms down and then continue to see what we have, what the situation is and continue to work because no one knows, well, whether it will be an exchange in three months in or after three for days we don't know what kind of agreements are going on inside, and because no one knew about this exchange either, that it would happen so suddenly to the general masses ms. anna, please tell me more, you mentioned the red cross. there are also many other international organizations that actually are engaged in investigating the observance of human rights or violations of human rights. about the treatment of prisoners or some other international organizations have contacted you or the relatives of

those azov citizens who have already been exchanged or communicated with them or find out the details of their stay in a russian prisoner, or after all they are trying to play again in this objectivity, which has already once turned into a scandal around the capacity of the international, for example, well, it cannot be ruled out that it is possible in some exceptional cases to someone other international organizations, other than the red cross, have applied. i have not heard of such a thing, i have come across them , no one has contacted me, and in principle, i think that this is unlikely, because if the red cross, which has such an authority but does not have permission, it does not work, what can be done it is incomprehensible to expect from less authoritative organizations, because we will understand that the red cross is an institution.

that is, it is already the century of the organization. did ms. anna contact anyone, i'm going to ask you, well, it's just according to your understanding, according to my feeling, because it's clear that not everyone has secrecy in these or other negotiations that are being conducted, but as you see it, which country from the west, in general, is the country which is our partner. and we, as we see it. by the way, saudi arabia took part . who would have expected that they also have their own influence on this. it could be china, india. but which country do you think plays the biggest role today in put pressure on putin precisely in issues of exchange well, for her this is also a position that we are influencing and we are doing some humanitarian thing, well, for us it is a big plus because, uh, our boys and your family and friends can return, so what we

see is always the tip of the iceberg, what we we now see active participation of turkey in these processes. saudi arabia is the top that we are allowed to see to the end. they understand only there in closed offices . so i don't i can say that turkey is unequivocally strategically important there. in this regard, our partner is our own agreements, with the particularity of how turkey helps us there, too, regarding saudi arabia . some radical measures at once so we choose a victim so appropriate everything has an influence now we direct all our efforts to

turkey i think this is wrong or behind closed doors every country can do its big contribution and it is still agreements do not always end with only two parties, there are always more participants in all processes and coalitions, it is necessary to understand this, therefore, it is necessary to uniformly fulfill all its obligations in all aspects of which ukraine must fulfill them and continue to trust the authorities on this issue, because in there is no way not to trust us, we can help with such publicity a-a letters diplomatic communication with, for example, how are the girls of the usa now with senators with diasporas with other representatives of power structures as well many people continue to write letters to different countries of the world, you can continue to do this, keep this question, talk about the fact that we have a big problem

from 15 people, this is not the total number, it is good that they have returned, we need to be available, but not to put pressure on one country, well or there is no opinion. thank you, ms. anna, for finding the strength and time to talk to us. anna naumenko is the wife of the defender of the last dmytro danilov, who still has not returned from captivity, but we wish that this would happen as soon as possible. also, the co-organizer of the association of the families of the defenders and from australia eh hmm do you remember joe biden met for the first time with the prince of saudi arabia in the summer and then eh accused him of the murder of eh khashoggi and this and again now we see that saudi arabia acted as eh mediator for who he knows where it is and how it is or all the threads, how they are interwoven with plaiting, what are the discounts for, like some kind of currency, what kind of currency are they there? for us, these are heroes, that's mrs. anna, who was with us, that's emotions

, i'm a very strong woman, i'm just praying and all of us we can do what we can, they are correctly said to our fighters have returned, i can imagine how these people live every day, understanding that russians sit in prisons , envelopes are glued there and everything is fine in them, but here you don't know well, we will support, but it is very difficult, and for them it is such a currency, they somehow negotiate there back and forth, and if somewhere it is profitable for them, they play and we have an exchange, and i would really like to let them play for themselves, of course, but as soon as possible. uh of the sisters, ms. anna actually said not to put pressure on the prisoners in order not to get interviews with journalists, because they may agree, but their psychological state is very unstable, and we will talk about this right now. how to communicate with those who returned from captivity and

to journalists and their relatives olena ostrova specialist in the field of mental health and psychosocial support contact us mrs. olena good day to you returned from captivity, and on the other hand, we see visually what the occupiers did to them, what this regime did to them, but we don't even see what is happening in their souls, after all that they saw, what they experienced, how should we lead interviews with journalists and their relatives, well, first of all , from the testimonies of people who were in russian captivity and about the well, what we already know, we know that people there are subjected to terrible abuse , abuse of very different degrees, from such subtle psychological pressure to gross physical simply destruction, their will is suppressed, they are not allowed

to move freely, they are restricted in russia, and this also puts a lot of pressure on their psyche, they are transported from place to place, then personal belongings are seized, valuables are taken away, which are not returned. in particular organs and reproductive organs, which can then lead a person to lose his reproductive function, ultimately suicide, all these are practices of genocide, we must realize that the russians, what they are doing is called genocide and people who return from captivity, they actually return from genocidal captivity and this is a very scary thing that we have to be aware of. and i really have the patience not to get into the soul of these people, then they do not receive proper psychological help. a minor degree of abuse , and someone is quite so serious and powerful, that is why there are

special programs, there are special protocols for dealing with prisoners, there are special developed methods of how to work with a person after captivity. our specialists work with this in ukraine i would like to point out that there are highly qualified specialists who receive international aid and support, who communicate with our international colleagues, and all together they provide assistance to our captives and people who return from captivity, so it is necessary to understand that the first thing that a captive receives is that he receives a medical examination and medical assistance. and then he receives proper treatment if necessary. next, you provide him with a social package, documents are renewed, cards and bank passports are necessarily renewed, social security is issued assistance in the form of monetary payments and also with these

people the prosecutor's office, human rights commissioners work, we know that russia violates all agreements , it violates the rules of war, it violates international humanitarian law, it also violates the geneva convention on the treatment of prisoners of war, that is why all these violations are also documented. this specially trained people who know how to conduct such conversations, accompanied by psychologists and psychotherapists, and this needs to be documented in order to then be presented in an international court to convict and punish everyone guilty to punish russia because one very important part of psychotherapy is the punishment of criminals, and psychological help is given to everyone individually, and psychotherapy has such a rather effective technique, it is called imdiar - it is destabilization and processing of trauma with eye movements, that is, when the therapist moves specially there

or objects or a person moves his eyes with his fingers and tells his own experience. in this way, erasing this emotional pain and emotional charge from his memory, that is, all remain in his memory events, all images, everything that happened, a person remembers, but he can talk about it later without pain and without tearing, and only after such methods , well, this is not the only method that allows you to erase this emotional charge and remove this pain and anxiety, but only after that it will be possible with prisoners of war, especially those who have experienced quite serious physical and psychological traumas , to communicate and talk for the time being, well, it is not worth doing , why talk with friends you know like that , arrange such psychotherapy, and tell me what what happened to you there is because when a psychotherapist works, he knows how to work. he establishes a so-called rapport, that is, there is such a special connection

with a person where there is trust, there is an emotional connection , empathy and understanding, when you need to stop in a conversation, give the person a resource and move on into the trauma and when you cannot continue at all, you have to stop, wait a few days, the person gathers resources, and only then continue to go further into the trauma and continue the therapy, so again, it is not necessary to engage in psychotherapy with such people this should be done exclusively by a specialist, that is, the thing is that there the whole family goes to such therapy because relatives are also taught how to deal with people and this is called psychoeducation, so there should be support from all sides, from all sides, because if you ask a person simply so what she survived , she is just going through everything that she went through a-a. and you, as a non-specialist, don't know how to give advice, please tell me more. there was a lot

, for example, when photos of our prisoners appeared on social networks, people called hmm for example, i have seen such calls not to post photos of, say, mykhailo dianov, where he shows his hand because it humiliates him. is this humiliation ? how to behave here, well, first of all, you need to ask the person himself if the person wants their photos to be posted, for what purpose is this done, that is, it should not be done without permission if the permission was obtained and the person really agreed and really help and publicity are needed. in this way, then it does not injure the person. if the person did not give his consent to this and it is done not out of his will, but because we want to do good, then this is a practice that may not benefit this person and can really

cause humiliation that is, what is the most important thing in general in communicating with people who have experienced some psycho-traumatic events, to ask people how what, how do you feel better, how can i help, that is, the person himself will tell you how and how you can support him, you do not need to do good, you should always ask how a person sees it the way he wants. what kind of help does he need and another important thing? there are a lot of people who know this kind of pity, oh poor people. oh, god, you know that, too, our habit of pitying right away is not at all the attitude that these people deserve, and it is also not necessary. you know, hypertrophied exaltation, heroization. no, that’s not what they need either, it’s heroism, the courage and courage of these people deserves, firstly, deep respect, secondly , respect and gratitude, these are three things, respect, respect and gratitude, that we should feel it is adequate feelings towards these people and again

talking about how we can support them, the organization, consulting with them and working together , you understand, together with the person, and not so that we will do something there again, and uh, it does, moreover, there is such a thing as collective trauma and everything that happens to every person in our space , what we talk about, what horrors we see, what these people are going through, and we learn about it. well you know, of our common organism of our society, which is currently experiencing a collective trauma, and here we also need to understand that in order to heal from this collective trauma, we need to win, firstly, secondly, to return the territories , that is, to restore the integrity of our state, to heal its body, so to speak speaking metaphorically, it is imperative to punish the occupier and remember

to engrave in your memory what happened, who are who, who are the russians, what are they capable of, we are , and create a whole system of memorable dates and days commemoration of our heroes, to create mariupol memorial days for this actually and to remember because this is what we were not allowed to do when ukraine was occupied by the soviet union and actually destroyed our memory after the holodomors after the shootings, bullying, deportation to siberia and so on and i hope that we have already drawn some conclusions and will not repeat this mistake again. to the prisoners who are released and return to their natives eh yes we continue our marathon and next we will talk about the referendums that are now