during the war, i discuss with my guests the most important topics that happened in the world during the past week, topics that are sometimes difficult for me to understand. well, i don't know how it is for you, so i ask the guests questions that cause difficulties in understanding, i'm sure that they answer these questions of your name and you. well, before proceeding to the discussion of today's topics, i just want to remind you that whoever watches us on the youtube network, please like it, and whoever does not like our program do not put dislikes, but please write something because it is very important for the promotion of our e -program on the network. i do not know how this algorithm works, but the more you put likes or dislikes and e-comments, the more the program is promoted, and i really want you to watch it as many people as possible, because in this program i try to tell the truth about what is

happening in ukraine, the truth for all of us. well, i'm ready to introduce today's first guest who joins me on skype this is volodymyr yelchenko, a ukrainian diplomat , a former permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations - from 2015 to 2015, and the extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states 2020-2021, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, mr. yuryu, i thank you very much for joining me, god himself commanded to talk to you today about what i planned to say considering that last week ah it was the week of the fifth day of the general assembly of the united nations and you know this whole kitchen inside out and you are the only person i think who, at least now at this stage, it will help to understand what happened on gena samvei and what will happen after that,

mr. volodymyr, the first question is this straight. russia in ukraine has been repeatedly condemned for its crimes and continues to commit them. well, of course, with the exception of certain countries that say that russia has some rights there, and here the general assembly has a lot of high-ranking representatives coming to the general assembly. the heads of the countries, the heads of the governments, the heads of the countries, and they speak the same way, they condemn what russia is doing, well, in a word, they come for a week , the general assembly is happening, the same thing that happened for 8 months is being repeated. you know, and even the assembly is an event that we see on tv, well, it's one picture, but in fact everything happens behind the scenes, that is, the results of

any of their chapters now 193 uh, they pronounce their speeches at the spring of the general assembly and at any other events that take place in parallel or within the framework of this general assembly, uh, and then the work begins or goes on in parallel, well, you know, very delicate negotiating bilateral multilateral meetings in the most diverse forms, and for us the main thing is that it really was the first such mass meeting at the level of all un member states in all countries of the world. actually, after the invasion of russia on the territory of ukraine, a full-scale meeting is meant, that is, this session the image of ukraine differs from all the previous ones, at least for us there was a lot new about it. perhaps something was not so noticed. it

did not make it to the front pages of the media . russia plus five. that is, these are the pariah countries that support russia in any case, that are simply either dependent on it or, like belarus, no longer an independent state at all, but simply occupied by the russian federation under its actual control, plus there are not three cubas yet. the thieves of venezuela, north korea, well, and a few other things, that is, this and the whole club named after the russian federation. no one supports russia with this energy anymore, even in the performances of china and india, for example, which took a neutral and positive position in relation to russia. the position has already become completely incorrect, that is,

we would like china, india, some other large countries, and by the way, those who are applying for the seats of future permanent members of the reformed security council, what will i say about that? a little later, these countries cannot change their position in a day, but the fact that they are moving away from unconditional support to russia has already become an established fact, a few more points, besides isolation, well , in fact, the whole world has recognized that that russia is the aggressor and eh, well, probably if not in every one, then 90% of the speeches eh in the same main column of toilets, one way or another, the theme of not just the war in ukraine or the conflict in ukraine was heard, as many countries believed just a few months ago or that's what everyone was saying by now are talking about russia's war against ukraine. not

everyone uses the words aggression or terrorist yet, but everyone is already talking about the fact that they have unleashed this war and for the first time. on this side of the assembly, at least the general assembly jumpers at this level, i heard statements that are already directly used to the exclusion of the russian federation from the un to play a security game in particular well, for example, with the first one, the president of the united states said about the reform of the security council, before that, the american delegation, let's say, took such a silent position when it came to the reform, negotiations were underway processes and the working group of negotiating groups on this issue, but the americans never processed the activities there and it was clear to everyone that as well as the country that has the right to veto what other four of the whole five i am among them countries and it always belongs to security, they did not activate this position was expected

while you were talking about the issue of leisure now at the level of the president of the united states - this is the highest level, it will be a general onion, it is said about the need for reform of the un. i think that the next step - this will already talk about the place occupied by the russian federation illegally, this is the seat of the soviet union, which she actually took over in december 1991. well, for example, such a person is far from the last in the world . it is the chairman of the european council or the president of the european council who defend michel. he directly said in his speeches that russia, as an aggressor, has no right. if you continue to embrace or have the status of a permanent member of the security council, that is, the process has started. i think that this process will become more active and we will see quite soon if the results are, at least, approaches to what to do with this russian the federation, which does not just sit on the security council, it simply blocks everything and everything and does not actually allow it

to work normally in the system of collective security that was created in 1945 and, er, it is all written in the statute, which, by the way, was never signed or recorded the russian federation did it, the soviet union - it is also ukraine and belarus, which are the founding countries of the un, but no one anywhere saw any signatures of the whole reason from the side of the russian federation, moreover, even the supreme council of the russian federation or the program what was the name of the meeting at that time, i don't remember exactly , uh, they could, well, at least to create the appearance of such legality, also, well, let's say , to verify the un charter in 1991, that is, this was also not done nationally, by the way. that is, you are talking about the fact that the russian federation now i am present in the un illegally, illegally, yes, at least legally, it is unclean, any lawyer will tell you that something is wrong here, and one more moment

, finally, what is new? i saw on these ion samples, these are statements in which directly russia is accused of nuclear terrorism, that is, tsia the country violates the nuclear non- proliferation treaty of 1968, in which, by the way, there are also guarantors , this is the same nuclear five. and by the way, on the basis of this treaty, the so-called infamous budapest memorandum was signed, that is, which lavrov said once again at this geoassembly that but russia has not violated anything at all, this is a piece of paper that has no legal force. here is russia's attitude to international law and, in general, to the existing order in the world, that is, this country is gradually turning into a kind of, you know, giant north korea, which does not pay attention to any international laws and simply does what it wants, and these things were first heard at the general assembly. well

, returning to the fact that behind the scenes there were processes that we did not know about, did not see , but we will find out i think that it is correct that it will take a long time and we will start to see and hear the things that were agreed upon at these equal assemblies, well, one more concrete example . putin on of this infamous referendum. in some parts of ukraine captured by russia , the ministers of foreign affairs of the european union immediately met and agreed on the next package of sanctions , which should be approved somewhere in early october at a meeting in paris. here is the practical result, and these are just a few of them there was of course much more, as i already said, we will learn about them a little, well, god forbid that we learn,

god forbid that there be as many such practical results as possible, mr. volodymyr look, you already said about the fact that now in the highest political circles of the west there are such statements about the possible exclusion of russia from the un security council, or rather from the composition of the organization , please tell me whether there are currently any legal mechanisms for this, or whether these legal mechanisms need to be worked out. and if they are it will be necessary to work on it, it is obvious that we will face obstacles there from the side of, for example , the same china, the same russia, how realistic is it to exclude russia, there are such mechanisms, they exist, it is another matter to cancel them just like that today they said and did it, it's unrealistic , but we need to start the process and this process has already started, i already said then the statements that were made now by our delegation and other friendly delegations

within the assembly will start working on these issues already in a practical sense, for example, there is such a mechanism simple, well, this is what lies on the surface, this is the appeal of this assembly through the decision and even the assembly to the un international court of justice, and it is also one of the main bodies of the un, which is the security council, and an equally ideal assembly er, all the questions are clear. and do we consider any un courts that russia occupies the rightful place of the soviet union, and attach to this appeal the documents about which we all already know, the almaty declaration of december, here it is of the first year, especially of course, and there are many others a number of documents that we managed to get uhm digestible and untrue in the un secretariat from that period from which you can make a completely normal legal conclusion that it was illegal and russia could at least uh like all the others by the way of the former republics of the soviet union, except for ukraine and belarus, the founders."

all her representatives are in genasom borea again on the basis of the fact that she occupies this place illegally. well , there are other things, er, i would like to advise our listeners and viewers to read the article y-y in the mirror of the week there there is a group of lawyers including me uh, there is a

singer of this article, uh, on the shelves they are laying out how it all happened and what needs to be done for this, by the way, i would like to use this opportunity to thank the initiative group, which was headed by uh, my friend yury lutsenko, uh, well, i'm sorry, he's not even one of the tomatoes of the national prosecutor - he's our compatriot who now lives in germany . including maksym baryshnikov, who is there, let's sing, what articles, uh, no, and uh, this group includes several people's deputies of ukraine who are also active in this issue, that is, the process has gone, uh, the task of this group is to reach out to the world public that is, now they are in new york and

work actively with unknown organizations, with american law firms, companies, as well as with english and israeli companies, that is, i think that we are gathering this critical mass, which will allow us to move to the level of consideration. at the governmental levels and eventually this should lead to the submission of this issue to the consideration of the united nations organization, well, god forbid, let it be so, mr. volodymyr, in one of the interviews in 2019, and that was already three years ago, you said that e-e works within the un russian intelligence network well, besides, you said that then in 2019, russia had a huge influence as a permanent member of the un security council, and then your quote: some respect it, some are frankly afraid of 2022, the war started by russia in ukraine, or has this attitude towards russia changed somehow is

there still this agency network that still continues to work there? well, first of all, i think that if in the 19th year i meant feared and respected somewhere 50/50 , today i think that 1% of those who respect and less than 50 is already afraid so that the process they themselves started this with their clumsy, absolutely cynical policy, which no one can understand today, why did it all start in ukraine, why did the russian federation live for itself, is the russian federation bad there or worse, better? with their lives and didn't get into, as they say, well, in such serious conflicts, well, with the exception of, er, the syrian one, but er, they took the first step in the 14th year, seizing crimea, that was the first bell. well, before that

, there was also georgia i understood. and even before that, i was the former yugoslavia, when they also tried to get in, there was also libya, that is, they basically got everywhere, but the way they got into ukraine, i think it's not just a mistake, it's well, i don't even know what to call it, it's just the last nail in my own club, if it's called this nail is being hammered deeper and deeper eh so i think that the situation has changed , that is, from respect well, we have not yet moved to hate, but to well, it is already full of such disrespect and misunderstanding of the foreign policy of the russian federation in the world, and we can see it by the reactions to the speeches of lavrova and the security authority in this assembly, and if you add to this, the same nuclear one over the forest, you know how to play on the feelings of, for example, african countries on the issue of hunger, that ukraine refused to blame for the

famine because it stopped er, to export grain. it seems that ukraine is to blame, not russia, which started the war by blocking the black sea, and thank god it is more or less working. russia that year er, it had a very serious impact, it was partly due to this agitational network that they created, and in fact, it did not go anywhere, even during the time of stalin , remember this international there, under the conditions of a progressive regime in africa, latin america and asia, the same thing continued and even developed under under under the leadership of putin er well, finally they reached what i think that half of all agents are already thinking today and should they continue to work for such a russian grace as it has become, well, i hope so no, i

i am sure that we will be one of the first. so this last nail that you are talking about will put the last nail in that coffin , mr. volodymyr. see more about the council of ukraine . th meeting, even though well, we know that china and russia will impose a veto, that is, there will be practically no decision. but still, why is it useful for us to call such a meeting specifically for the security council in order to keep it in focus? this question is how as i already said, there are many countries in the world far from us that, you know, do not particularly immerse themselves in these internal issues that are related to this aggression, that is, for them, this referendum. well, yes, somewhere

far away, something is happening. meeting of the security council, and also at a high level. i think that , well, since not all high- level chapters have left new york yet, it is possible that someone will come from, well, at the level of more than permanent representatives, plus there are thousands of resources mass media are present all this will be to be broadcast, to be shown, and it will be retold and everyone will be watching live. that is, it will draw attention to this issue, and it will make those consequences even less legitimate. cynical, which is understandable. for that was a week ago, it was already counted then in the kherson region. they have drawn 72% there, well, like so, to more or less update, they gave a realistic

one . to say once in such regions he often says kharkiv region instead of kherson region well, there is laotian instead of luhansk region well, that’s another question , by the way, this shows the level of his decline as the number one diplomat in the russian federation, he can’t even speak normally anymore, volodymyr, but look at that when you spoke from this high platform, you had in front of you a written text in a written text, at least lavrov should not have been asked what to write. what is luhansk oblast there, not a lao region, well, 100%. it the text was most likely in russian because he addressed himself in russian. do you think it could be that someone could set it up and actually write laotian there? well, i can't put it all together now. well, you know, it's hard for me to say, if i'm joking i would advise masha zakhar and tell him that, uh, there are already some sbu intours in lavrop's office, and this means that there are

sbushniks there or some people from bandera are drawing some things in his speeches that he did not mean. well, seriously, i think that this proves uh, it's simple about the fact that a person is in a very difficult psychological state, or he simply no longer believes in what he himself is saying, but he needs to get somewhere to speak, or simply that the psyche does not work normally and he such things are done in such a country when such a leader's psyche can't work normally, i'm sure it can't and i really hope that it doesn't work normally at lavrov, mr. volodymyr, we already have a question about the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america please tell me a little more than a year ago again, in one interview, you said that you can't sleep normally with a neighbor like russia next to you, now we can see it clearly,

we don't sleep. it's because we have such a neighbor, russia, but then in this interview you said , but in any case, the support of the united states of america will not change, now we really, as i said, do not sleep peacefully, now we really see this support of the united states of america, for which we thank you in washington, but please tell me if there is a limit to this support american for ukraine, you know this country, you can answer this. i am deeply convinced that the limit of this support ends at the moment when ukraine finally wins all wars and the united states does not stop until then, they will continue this support so that there is no mention of midterm elections that will be held in in november of this year, they will not change anything because ukraine traditionally has a very strong bipartisan bicameral support in the us congress, and therefore, we should not be afraid

of any changes in the policy of the united states, this is in our real friends, they are friends, not partners, hell, friends, they perfectly understand ukraine, ukrainians, are we close to them in spirit, or are they close to us in spirit, we are very similar in this, you know, in the desire for freedom , before independence, and what the armed forces of ukraine are doing, including the last counteroffensive of kharkiv region, this only strengthens our position because americans also like strength, they don't like the weak. today you will go out into the street of the smallest american town somewhere in the middle of the cowboy east you will hear the same thing you will hear sympathy for ukraine love for

ukrainians on the fact that in america traditionally foreign policy is somewhere on the fifth, sixth or seventh place in the libraries of americans, for them the main thing is the work of prices there , inflation and so on, but if not 100%, then 90 they know for sure they believe in us and they know that we fight for those things that completely divide americans. and we thank our friends and partners from the united states of america for the help and support that we constantly receive from them, it helps us to fight for one's freedom helps drive the aggressor from our territory well , thank you, vladimir, for taking part in the program the world during the war thank you, thank you for the professional answers to my questions , i will remind our viewers that it was volodymyr

yelchenko, ukrainian diplomat, former permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations in 2015-2019 and extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states in 2020-2021, from what mr. volodymyr said, i want you to remember everything that is said at the general assembly the un is very important for ukraine, no matter how you feel about it, because this picture that we see on television and the picture does not yet convey everything that is happening behind the scenes during the meeting that it held the ukrainian side, who conducted our partner meetings, the un general assembly for ukraine. this is a very, very useful thing, a useful platform. well, i'm moving on to my next guest. this is petro burkovskyi. i'm the executive director of the ilko kucheriv foundation for democratic initiatives. i congratulate

you, mr. petro i congratulate you. thank you for joining my program. well, let's start right away. i'll be with you in this block that i'm devoting to talking to you, and it will be obvious that there's more about russia and let's start with the protests in dagestan. everything is serious. what is happening there, because look. yesterday on the air, i said that i personally do not believe that these protests can become some kind of spark that will ignite a huge flame, some kind of even a revolution in russia, because these protests are taking place under the auspices of the fight against the mobilization of dagestanis. on the street because they don't want their husbands, uh, sons, brothers to be mobilized and sent to war in ukraine, so today there was information even about what seems to be a man in the irkutsk region who does not agree with

as with the principles of mobilization, even in the killing of the military commissar, i don't remember where it was. but it seems to me personally that the conditions of mobilization will change, the same dagestanis will return to their villages, they will start recruiting contract workers again, and here's something, it seems to me that that 's all there is to it. and it will end, and here you are as a professional as a specialist as an expert what do you think i am watching what is happening in russia now, moreover, we watched this and previous years, so the north caucasus is one of the regions of the poor , unstable, er, such a patchwork region where there are many nationalities. there are a lot of issues of mutual relations. there are a lot of negative feelings towards russia. russia has colonized the caucasus for centuries, as well as ukraine, in the caucasus, no one

has forgotten anything. they are so much more visible, it has always been like this. it was their previous years in different regions. however, i agree with you that the russian revolution will not start in the caucasus , and it is still too much to talk about revolutions in general. it's early, but let's pay attention to other pictures of other events, that is, protests. that's what attracts attention, but there are other events - these are caravans , real traffic jams on the borders between russia and countries that have not yet closed their borders . this is kazakhstan, georgia, mongolia, on the borders with mongolia, many people from the

far eastern regions of the world are trying to escape from mobilization , these pictures are more demoralizing for the russian leadership, and this is exactly the process that is going on in the country. it is possible at the moment. in this situation, it is more threatening for the russian regime, in the coming days they will close the borders. well, i don't believe that they can close the borders. russia is very big, it's time and time again, border guards like to take bribes, it's two years ago here . i think we will get the opposite effects, only there will be an announcement that the borders are being closed, the flows will only increase, and well, it will be the first blow to the kremlin, according to the probability, the first blow will be serious in fact