we understand that there are many expenses in one budget, but we are talking about parity in the distribution of funds and budget policy has been thought out accordingly. well, we pass on the word, colleague. thank you to our guests and to you for being with us during these hours. to the audience, guests of radio svoboda, further in the occupied territories of ukraine, the so- called vote for joining russia has ended kyiv convenes the un security council for western leaders once again condemned the action that the kremlin calls a referendum ukraine gathered international

diplomats to present a plan to create a special international tribunal for russian crimes, how exactly does the world plan to bring putin and others involved in crimes in ukraine to justice italy got a new far-right roman prime minister, giorgia meloni, for the first time since mussolini, politicians with a fascist past will be in power in italy what does the new government promise, in which putin's friends will also be to their country and how they will treat ukraine see svobodila welcome vitaly svoboda life my name is serhiy stetsenko and my live on the pages of radio liberty on facebook and youtube, as well as on the air of the espresso tv channel , leave questions and comments for the broadcast and put likes so that more people can see our tag, today the deadline set by moscow for

holding referendums in the occupied territories of ukraine, as they call it, is an ordlo parts of the kherson and zaporozhye regions, according to reports on the kremlin media, in particular tas in the kherson region, the total turnout was more than 50%, another pro-kremlin news publication reports that the turnout in the occupied parts of luhansk region was more than 90%. we cannot reliably verify this information, because during the so-called vote, according to the kremlin itself , there were representatives of only a few countries loyal to russia, in particular, belarus, syria, egypt and brazil, while activists who followed the course of the so -called referendums, in particular, on our airwaves , said that they participated under pressure from the side of the occupying forces and the administration, it is also known about cases when a person is occupied territories were intimidated and essentially forced to vote for accession to russia, how was this week in the temporarily occupied territories, in particular

luhansk region, during the action that moscow calls referendums, we will ask the head of the luhansk abba, serhii gaidai, he is with us live on radio svoboda. reports about more than 90% of the turnout in the occupied parts of the luhansk region , the so-called preliminary results have already begun to appear, where in the same luhansk region, in its occupied parts, 90 plus percent of those who allegedly wants to vote for the accession of this territory to the russian federation. what information do you have about what is happening there now? well, they are not just drawing 90 plus, but 97.7, if it will be more detailed and clear , well, that is enough waiting for the figure, uh, we spoke for it in advance and about the turnout and about the numbers, then how many people allegedly voted for

joining, that's all clear. we've seen all week, well, just blatant violations from beginning to end, and people armed with military uniforms and the so -called so-called secret of the manifestation of will when eh -is some kind of stencil was placed for which a person had to vote and then they handed in these questionnaires and they saw how they set up tables just outside the shops and for people who go to the shops and forced them to vote if even in them there were no passports, they said they were not interested in it anyway, let’s vote in the second round and went around the apartments and, uh, intimidated them by saying that those who don’t vote will be mobilized. and whoever votes for that, they handed over their passports and were mobilized in the same way. well

, that is, these horrors that can be imagine they are all there took place during this minced meat. please tell me , after all, part of the luhansk region has been under partial occupation for many years since the 14th. to do with these people and how to communicate with them after the de-occupation of luhansk oblast, ah, well, it’s hard to say any clear numbers , uh, we’re not russians, we won’t draw something in our heads, the only thing i can say is that uh, there were no people, uh even they write me e-e in direct mail in different messengers who have been living there under occupation since the 14th year and write that they would very much like to drive out the occupiers so that luhansk is completely returned to the control of the ukrainian authorities and that

it is unbearable to live there that they returned in some 70 - the 1980s of the soviet union, and what about the people and how to continue to live and cooperate with them, well, i can say that it is impossible to repeat the 14th year and all collaborators cannot be released at all. must answer er according to the strictness of ukrainian laws, this is clear, and people who do not did they take an active part there in helping the occupiers, did they not help, were they assistants to the collaborators, or were they not collaborators themselves? well , we will have to work with them, communicate and return them to a normal course, because in eight years of propaganda they are russian. of course, it is not a past appeal. in short, please tell me

. today is the last day of the so-called so-called referendum. soon on friday, putin's decision on joining is expected. what will you do as the head of the luhansk military-civilian administration? after the announcement of this result, or today or tomorrow, what i did, what i am doing now , to help the military and to help people who left for e-e forced to evacuate, to open humanitarian headquarters and to prepare for e-e winter period, to de-occupation e-e to provide life support for those territories which we will de-occupy, despite the fact that there are all fake referendums, that is, the armed forces of ukraine will also work on the de-occupation of luhansk region , despite the results of these so-called referendums. of course, for us, russian ones. fake referendums, tomorrow they will draw that they

want to take the lviv region for themselves as well and that we should go to them about nothing of the sort , if necessary if they do not understand diplomatic language, then they perfectly understand the language of our armed forces and we we saw it on the example of kharkiv region and we see it on the example of kherson region and in the near future we will see it in the de-occupied e-e settlements of luhansk region . the administration talked about the end of the so-called referendums. well, the osce considers the so-called referendums held by russia in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine to be illegal, because they contradict international standards, the director of the bureau of democratic institutions and human rights, mateo mekaccia, said about this in warsaw, according to him, the organization does not monitor this the so -called voting, because they are held contrary to

the principles of international humanitarian law , meanwhile great britain expanded sanctions against russia after holding fictitious referendums , 33 citizens of the russian federation were included in the list, in particular 10 employees of sovkombank, 16 employees of zberbank, as well as the heads of the military-civilian occupation administrations controlled by moscow, well, white house spokeswoman karenjen pierre said that the united states is also preparing a new package of sanctions in case russia announces the annexation of the occupied territories of ukraine, the territory as nothing more than a part of ukraine, we see pseudo-referendums, pseudo- voting in the last few days, we will continue working with our allies and partners to bring russia to justice and we will support ukraine as long as necessary, we are ready to introduce quick and tough sanctions against

russia with our allies and partners in response to its actions that we have seen recently if it succeeds in annexation, i will remind you that was a comment representative of the usa regarding the holding of so-called referendums by the russian federation in the temporarily occupied territories. than 30 citizens of the russian federation well, then the story of the eyewitnesses of the russian occupation of the raisin olena moshanetska with her husband and son with cerebral palsy did not evacuate the city , the family spent the first three months of the russian invasion of ukraine in the basement, as they say, they were happy when the military of the armed forces of ukraine entered the raisin and people currently

have no gas in their apartment and no money to be able to buy something in the store about life in the russian occupation and after that the woman told the correspondents of radio liberty ukraine came to us my head flew in, that was news, good meaning, they just made such a small suit, all black, all black, the child was shot, imagine, these buryats shot in the legs, i suffer. yes, they are not smoked, stabbed, drunk , it is not clear what kind. in general, a pistol was inserted into the head of a grenade, but even now, i will destroy myself, now i put a grenade in, yes, yes, a witness, many people died, very many people, and old people died, and the injuries were such that, well, how many young people are compatible with life

the children died, very much, very much , when they left, they all burned down the white house in general, well, the city councilwoman, what does she say, yes, they set fire to here, uh, near the house, uh, did you see the black ones , this is my husband's house , there, the three-room apartment was all burned down well this is what they survived if the basement was lowered, everything was in a coma, we were sitting for three months and already started coughing because there is dampness and fungus everywhere. well, this is tuberculosis. you can make money. i already raised the child . there are crazy prices. crazy prices and crazy prices in general. this store sold alcohol to these soldiers and they carried alcohol in such bags. it was scary to have rubles. they started driving. pensions have already started, but while i was going

to the pension fund, i had to put up a queue there. there was 500 or so. i didn't have time there, they just gave 10,000 each. well, the grandmothers of course got it, and then our kharkiv region, what if they don't do the fuck ? we had a job i didn't have any pennies in my wallet, i don't know what to feed a child well. when we went today, we got something:

lynx , groats, butter, and how did we live? етой пыталис от этой той жылы этым вывый somehow here here here it's cooking see yes yes borscht i have of course in ukraine a hotline has been created for those citizens of russia who do not want to go to fight against ukrainians as part of the mobilization that was previously announced by the president of russia vladimir putin hot the line is called "i want to live" and according to the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, the line receives a lot of calls, meanwhile, the united states is considering asylum applications for russians fleeing mobilization, the white house reported. thus, anyone seeking asylum from persecution, regardless of their nationality, will be able to submit an application for asylum in the usa after the announcement of partial mobilization in russia on

september 21, russians began to massively buy tickets abroad and also try to leave the country by land transport, kilometer-long traffic jams were formed on the border with kazakhstan, mongolia and georgia, some mass media report that more than 260 thousand people have fled from russia since the announcement of the mobilization a-a well, to the topic, including where the russians are fleeing from the mobilization, we will return a little later, well, now we will continue to talk about referendums and how the so-called referendums react to them, about how the world reacts to them, and in particular the osce considers the so-called referendums held by russia on the temporarily occupied territories as illegal, we have already mentioned this, and british intelligence states that during his speech before both houses of the russian parliament on friday, september 30, russian president vladimir putin may announce the annexation

of the ukrainian territories occupied by the russian army . well, how will ukraine react to this? it is possible to continue with us secretary of the national security and defense council oleksiy danilov i understand that i do n't see you on the phone already, mr. danilov, i congratulate you, i congratulate you. and we have already started talking about the end of the so-called referendums spoke with the head of the luhansk regional military civil administration today is the last day and here they are already writing about the kremlin media that there was a turnout and 90 plus percent of what happened during this week, ukraine is evaluating what the consequences may be directly for people who, for example, inserted these pluses for entering the russian federation, if there were any, well, look, let's see what they drew for themselves there. so, such a number of people there does not exist in nature for quite a long time, we did not do this before

we have nothing to do with them, we are very calm about all their processes, which they invented themselves, you know, they invented them themselves. they live their own lives, so it has nothing to do with us. the territory of the donetsk and luhansk regions is the kherson region, where they allegedly conduct referendum, this is the territory of our country, and there, apart from ukraine, no one has the right to hold anything, the right to hold referendums, any elections definitely belong to the central election commission of our country, the name of our country, ukraine, the rest of the formation bank, who is there? do you mean that everyone who participates in this and for this they will bring responsibility to the citizens in whose place something was put there, something was painted there, and i do not think that it will mostly be canceled for them, because there is almost no citizenship left, how can you do it, it is ours we have land, we will liberate it, we will liberate it by military means, if it is not opened here,

volunteers will not come, we are talking about russian mercenaries , about terrorists who bought part of our territory today, that is, the official position the position of kyiv in essence from today there is absolutely no change in the territory of ukraine and everything that was carried out there because, after all, the russian federation with the help of even the same international observers, we already talked about it, there were several countries that -e are loyal to the russian federation in order to somehow legitimize them. they invited them there. you are not quite correct in asking the question. identified, they are all known to us today, and the relevant processes for all citizens of our country will necessarily begin, and in which countries there was not and cannot be, and those conditional political tourists

, when they come there for money and pay for today in russian federation, well, look , there are a lot of tourists around the world now a month. well, we have seen information about the representative of the so-called representative of german citizens in germany, so it will probably be more correct, and you can name maybe someone else who has already been identified and maybe they turned to this country to react. i want you to understand that there are citizens of mauritius or some other country, but if he came to the territory of our country at this time, he must enter the territory of our country through our border is official if he got there through, let's say another way, we don't understand at all who might be there, but i can tell you that today our intelligence has identified everyone who is there today, and what about the countries they have nothing to do with it, and when you , the journalists, start telling us that there

are representatives of ukrainians, it is absolutely incorrect, there are different citizens who can be there for money in one way or another, or can be in some other way, at the moment, they are there, full stop there are a small number of them there, but once again, we have counted them all, we all understand what kind of people they are from, which countries they came from, they came in a legal way, because they can cross our border only through our official processing points, yes, yes, mr. danilov, i will only point out that we still referred to the pro -kremlin media, which reported that there were representatives there, of course we cannot verify this personally , er, the kremlin media is a separate situation. you saw what was shown now, they gathered people, made a mass -produced video, and show it today. what is this supposed to be? in donetsk, from morning to evening, it shows that it is supposedly in kherson, you see an empty booth, there are such

empty booths everywhere from morning to evening, there is not a single person, you see, even people are not placed so that many people can be photographed, that's why all these the processes taking place on the territory of the russian federation starting from february 20, 2014 have no legal relation to us. for us, this is another attempt by the russian federation to play out some let's say, its ideas in its head about as if some new russia, some other things, well, listen, mr. danilo, british intelligence, among other things, confirms that september 30 is already this friday , the end of this week, vladimir putin may announce the annexation of the temporarily occupied territories after of these so-called referendums, analyzing his previous speech, when he announced, among other things, a partial mobilization, doubt that everyone supports him , what will be the reaction of ukraine after the announcement

of this, if it happens, and what reaction of the world do you expect? well, we expect that the world will be very attentive to this and accordingly, the decision will not be the same as the decision that was made on february 20, 2014 , when crimea was annexed. let's see how the world will react to this. i can say that we are reacting, we began to react on february 24 due to the maximum use of our armed forces and they will continue the duty that our boys and girls who are directly related to the defense security sector have to this day, we will destroy all the fascists from another way we don't have any for victory, but we have already warned them several times that they got out of our land because this is our territory, our land is defined by all the countries of the world, but if russia

doesn't like something there, well, what will we show for now let's put it this way, but i'm no longer sure that the victory will be ours and it's only a matter of time when we stand on our borders and from the extreme russian or expelled from here or the volume of mr. danilov, so vladimir putin, returning to his negotiations, said that after the alleged accession er occupied territories of ukraine if er kiev will continue their to do there during nuclear strikes and so on, today it is fresh what was the deputy head of the russian security council medvedev on duty he spoke about it more than once, he said that nato, i quote, will swallow such an attack, worrying about its security, eh, does

ukraine have any scenarios in case if this happens, and again, many ukrainians ask what to do in this case, the last nuclear strikes were in august 1945, when the second world war ended, if the russians think that they can use in the modern world has nuclear weapons, well, in general, we have to ask the question in what world do we live, what have we done wrong to them? we took their territory, we are interfering in their lives, what have we done? weapons if there is no civilized response from the world community of nato countries to such an audacious attack, if it does not, god forbid, something will happen, you do not mean that we will not defend our land. i want everyone to

understand that we cannot be stopped by anyone. his troops, and this has already been repeatedly pressed on what concerns today's nuclear protection against nuclear weapons, god forbid someone stop epicenter, but we are talking about tactical weapons. well, if it will be used today, there are certain the procedure is what should be done. i think that we have developed an instruction in the apparatus together with defense security. in the coming days, we will try to make it as public as possible. who wants to you don't have to agree to saving others from the danger of nuclear earnings , mr. danilov. and if you know, can you explain the mechanism, because we know that the countries that possess nuclear weapons, in the context

of this non-proliferation treaty, must react if a country is a nuclear country, it can carry or attack a non-nuclear country , this is actually the essence of this treaty, so that all countries that do not have nuclear weapons are actually under the protection of those countries that are guarantors in the case of this, if suddenly it happens on the territory of ukraine, eh, do you know the mechanism by which the world and those countries that possess nuclear weapons, that is, great britain, india, china, should react to it, again, returning to eh, medvedev's comment that nato is to be swallowed from the mechanism that exists, what is the way they will react, we will have to watch it carefully with you. if, god forbid, it happens, i emphasize once again that this is the responsibility of each nuclear country, which uh, there was such an agreement that they are a joint taker the obligation to prevent

the use of nuclear weapons in any case, and when, as of today , putin, the russians begin to arm themselves with nuclear weapons around the world, then believe me, the so -called bonns in the world will appear in geometric progression, because no country will protected from such a crazy neighbor, and then i don’t know where the answer will be. i will move . the fact is that this so-called mud bomb itself is not such a difficult task, because the world needs to prove it to those things. look at today is a very dangerous situation for the whole world. today, the russian federation is making a lot of personnel. it shows its customs in one way or another. let's see how it will all look. once again, we must emphasize that ukraine is obliged to do it, or will they do it ? perform, let's see in this latest

interview with the time publication, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny, said that this is not the last war with russia. what should be prepared for the next ones? in your opinion, he is right ukrainians should really prepare for a regime of constant struggle, even if putin or after that. more precisely, how putin will leave from the time until the russian federation gets rid of its colonies , we will be with you, but it is constantly in a difficult situation. i emphasize once again that my position is quite simple. russia should get rid of its colonies, but now they have announced an example of what is happening today , a large number of those mobilized are found in tatarstan, but i have a question: where is tatarstan, where is our country, and because of what fear the tatars have to go to fight instead of their hands. in our territories, this is a country. this is a separate country. these are separate people

. because maybe he is afraid that sooner or later they will raise the question of their independence, and therefore a method is sent from such people in order for our troops to destroy them here. -e for today if you look at the statistics where there is the nature of the population, it is precisely these countries. these are located on the territory of russia, which we are talking about, they do not take courses from their countries there, there in the tambov voronivsk regions, because there are no more people there, she has already died there, everyone already talked about it like that and volodymyr zelenskyi, in short, mr. danilov, you see, most likely, these rallies are protests that

occur, including in the north caucasus in dagestan. in short, you believe that you can not lead to any mass protests if the people have a desire to live freely. they must fight for their freedom. if they do not have a desire to live freely, if they recognize the russian tsar, let’s say so. well, god is their judge, listen. we cannot fight for their independence for them. we made a decision quite a long time ago in in 1991, it was established that we have no desire to live under the russian tsar, we have a separate country, we have a separate nation, we have a separate leadership, and the request to them is quite simple and one to detach from us . climb thank you very much oleksiy danilov, secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine, was live for the comment on radio svoboda, thank you, we return to the topic of

departure