groups that spend at the beginning of the week. thank you victoria, of course, it is a shocking fact. and i can only add that victoria's material can be found on the bbc.ua website, where you can read the full article . on the website bbc.ua and on our pages in social networks see you tomorrow at 9:00 pm take care of yourself in the evening we celebrate a cold is already celebrating familiar symptoms try flucold and 4 components that act against heat, pain and runny nose flukolden glory to ukraine is a program verdict my

name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 216th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers russia has begun to massively use iranian drones for attacks on the armed forces of ukraine and the cities of southern ukraine on odesa ochakiv and mykolaiv in the morning, the occupiers fired at zaporizhzhia, 10 rockets hit the infrastructure in the city, there were problems with light, at the same time, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed a russian base near kherson and liquidated three complexes armor-c-1 british intelligence reports that on september 30, putin is going to announce the annexation of the occupied territories of ukraine to russia, those territories where a pseudo-referendum is currently taking place , meanwhile, the russians continue to lose

manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of september 27, russia has already lost in ukraine 7,750 people in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine eliminated 550 occupiers, since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 236 tanks, 4,881 armored combat vehicles, and 1,378 artillery systems in ukraine 331 rocket salvo systems 175 air defense systems 261 aircraft 224 helicopters 3730 units of automotive equipment 15 ships and boats 241 cruise missiles 977 drones 131 units of special equipment the enemy suffered the greatest losses in the kramatorsk and donetsk directions medvedev mounted a nuclear warhead putin is preparing for the annexed regions of kherson zaporizhzhya

as well as luhansk and donetsk regions to russia, the world promises to give them an answer, we will talk about this in the next hour today our guest politician diplomat ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 valery chaliy mr. valery good day good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so valery british intelligence reports that vladimir putin is going to speak before the state duma on september 30 and announce the annexation of the occupied territories of ukraine, we know that on september 27, that is, today, the term of these pseudo-referendums, which are taking place in certain districts of luhansk , ends donetsk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions, and as already reported by collaborators and henchmen of the

russian aggressor, this referendum seems to be a pseudo-referendum, it seems that what or who valery will be able to prevent putin from annexing these territories to the russian federation . well , we have already heard different intelligence from more specific sources, let's still trust our analytics, and you know the secret of the borrower is that what we are expecting now , that is, putin is no longer stirlitz, why do i say no 14 in 2000, before the oligarchs put him in office, they conducted a survey on who the russians want to see, but among the uh-uh, you probably remember this story, the movie star of all the heroes, so the first place was a man from stirliv, and putin seemed to

fit very well under this hyped-up media is precisely because of uh, well, the film is such an image of a good fascist. well, the russians chose a good fascist, as if the time had come to implement all the ideas, and then already at 14, because he is a fascist, but he is no longer so intelligent, and that is why in principle if only he knew he made some statements about how he likes that would not have been predicted, that is, how he used to do it, tried to do it, you know, he really likes to put everyone in a situation, especially his immediate environment, completely unexpectedly, but now when his ego is running high and his mind is retreating there can be a lot of such solutions, that 's why, er, i think that, in principle, we all expect everything,

but there may be surprises, there may be surprises, because there is a certain logic of its own in its coordinate system, er, we also need read this logic between the lines and, in principle , nothing changes for us, well, for the war against russia, but many of these decisions go inside russia, er, i will tell you what the key position of putin and the group around him should be based on, not even the wider environment, but the governing the small group e consists in preserving power and access to their fortunes and keeping russia under control because there is nowhere else for them, and nowhere else is waiting for them. today and then what can be can be different, i can

explain further in detail. that is, you still assume that they may not declare these areas part of russia, as british intelligence claims, that this is a game . in mariupol , and thank god that the trial did not take place there on august 24, as was predicted, that is, there are still some factors that hold back putin in his one or other wishes. i.e what can you call a referendum? pseudo- referendums, pseudo-decisions and pseudo- results, they will have this way, we already connect it with british intelligence and everyone who now we read in world changes that russia in this way well,

it doesn't matter who came, the picture was made then the decision is made manually by the russian parliament that these territories are strange in general, that is, they even change very quickly now, our armed forces of ukraine are vacating the territory, that is, which territories on the first day of the pseudo-referendum or on the last it is not at all clear, that is, in which borders they did not completely occupy a single ukrainian region. they did not occupy either zaporozhye or donetsk . soon there will be less than half, that is, not kherson. in general, they have now forgotten about it. although it appeared in them as well, that is, they proceed from situation, i can assume that they make a decision at the political level to include it in the composition of russia, that is, for their internal use, it is no longer for anyone, so everyone connects it with the next step with a statement about how lavrov said that

we will spread our nuclear doctrine there also in this territory. and i am not sure about this. i think rather their goal is to mobilize and mobilize as many people as possible from those territories to put people in defense because there, too, it is not just that on the one hand they hand over a russian passport and on the other hand they can mobilize or at least 10 years in prison, that is, it will be a difficult situation, so let's be honest, there is something. it may be possible to surrender in these territories , just dig in the trenches, that is, it seems to me that defense is now the key word for russia, not there is further promotion of the capture of ukraine and the defense of russia, that is why i consider this referendum more, no, i agree that this will most likely be the case, although someone there advises ... groups they advise. let's say that donetsk

luhansk can be there, let's admit it, let's join, but for example, no , in the territory where it's not clear what will happen, the kherson region. let's say that there was a referendum , everything is fine, but it's not possible to do something there, yes, 90%. but the turnout is not like that, they are coming up with something. well, they are advising him. well, i don't think it will be like that. most likely , they will go to the same decisions again , that is, annexations , but then look further. what was quoted about medvedev, he saddled a nuclear warhead, well, that's traditional for him, but read between the lines, and one thing, even read the first part, he clarifies for the first time what he had not said before, and no matter how we treat him, he is putin's deputy in the radbez he says that we will use nuclear weapons to destroy everything,

but when there are two conditions: when there is a nuclear attack on russia or its allies and when, if there is a threat of the disintegration of russia as a state, but under such conditions, he does not say that, let's quote it exactly so that our tv viewers understand what are we talking about, because i have already read medvedev and you have read it, let's quote medvedev what medvedev said, we have to remind once again for those hard-of-hearing people who only hear themselves, russia has the right to use nuclear weapons if necessary, well predetermined cases, in strict accordance with the foundations of state policy in the field of nuclear deterrence, if we or our allies are attacked using similar types of weapons, or if aggression with the use of conventional weapons poses a threat to the very existence of our state, the president of russia directly stated this recently before well, we will do everything to prevent the appearance of nuclear weapons in hostile neighbors, for example, in nazi

ukraine, which is directly controlled today by nato countries, let's imagine that russia is forced to use a variety of weapons against the ukrainian regime, which has committed a large-scale act of aggression that is dangerous for the very existence of our state, believes that nato will not directly intervene in the conflict and under such a schedule, because the security of washington, london, brussels and other north atlantic alliance is not much more important than the fate of ukraine, which no one wants, to perish in european demagogues are not going to a nuclear apocalypse for ukrainian well, and so on well, i must add that russia is probably not going to die in this apocalypse, it's just a little rhetoric medvedev has changed compared to what she was, because then i remember he said that if ukraine attacks crimea, we will be there right away, this judgment day will come in our current position, valery, what is medvedev trying to say, because we understand that they say again that we have nuclear

weapons, we have several cases in which we use these nuclear weapons, or the annexation of these territories and, accordingly, military actions on the territories of ukrainian land will be perceived by them as an attack on their territory. in in reality, i am sure that they did not speak rhetorically , that they did not even make any decision, but uh, they will not be uh, ukrainian territories, at least a wide circle of people there. still, you know the use of weapons of mass destruction - this is such a complex, if paradoxical situation, if there won't be a legal justification for all this reliable stuff, so putin won't be sure that it will work if he doesn't want to, that's why i think medvedev answers very clearly, addressing the white house , washington, that is, after putin had

carelessness, in my opinion, because before he was careful, and before that, all the horror films were voiced there at all levels, but here, after all, he voiced it personally, it was impossible not to react to it. what was the reaction of er blinken, if translated from english he said that we should stop talking to putin about nuclear weapons, after that there was a statement from the white house about the answer that will certainly come, which was proved in this way to the russian side , which is closed for today. they no-no you don't hurry don't hurry we have n't made a decision yet and that's why medvedev's statement appeared, i read it that way because it's like an excuse the first part is the addressee washington the second part the addressee is berlin and paris that is he is there it is not us not at all in ukraine, that is, it is there and apologies for putin for the fact that he was in such a hurry to go into

the public sphere further than before we agreed with the americans well, to be honest, well, that’s how i perceive well , what should be perceived differently if it’s on the surface and one more moment you understand now there is a lot of discussion going on about nuclear weapons, about the use of weapons of mass destruction, there is one point in all of this, well, in principle, i emphasize once again that there are still some basic things that we all understand, and they understand this in the kremlin, that the threat of using them now gives them germany has already given us more, they don’t give us weapons, tanks don’t add to us, because of this threat, germany is afraid that putin will escalate there and so on, that this will escalate into a further conflict. and if they cross this line they use uh, they demonstrate something. they

completely remove all the fuses from the counter-action against them, that's why i. my opinion is that well, it must be absolutely either not in memory or in a complicated too complicated emotional state like putin, well, by the way, it happens on unfortunately, after uzbekistan, samarkand, he was in a very difficult psychological state, judging by his decision, because these decisions about pseudo-referendums are all in a heap, as it is presented, it absolutely does not give the result that they want to count on, so i assume that it can be solutions that are related to insufficient mental activity or some stressful situations. well , in principle, painful actions, but if the actions are not painful, then they will keep the threat situation as long as possible, e.e. weapons of mass destruction in order to achieve their goals, the

americans say that they have contacts with the highest leadership in russia, although they did not specify with whom exactly, but privately, as jack sullivan, the national security adviser of the united states of america, said, he said that we at the highest level, they warned the russians about the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons for the kremlin, and you have been in diplomacy for a very long time. how is it not diplomatic to explain this privately to people? well, first of all, there is a line for this of communication, er, just in such cases, er, in the case of informing about unauthorized launches , let's say there of missiles, this line was preserved in the soviet union, er, between moscow and washington, er, in

principle, the first people who are on this line are the military leaders, it is not ministers of defense are... from the american side, general milli from the russian side, i don’t know gerasimov anymore, what’s going on with him , where is he, what is he, i don’t know who is sitting there on the other side, but it’s the general staff, that is, it’s included, of course, it’s a line from fetrush, that is , it also exists. and it is a dialogue or an exchange of such threats, maybe explanations, and it happens all the time. that is, we understand that now we are talking about the use of strategic nuclear weapons, well, these long-range ballistic missiles with large warheads are not about that at all there is no question well it must be said and not talked about at all, that is, we are talking about the fact that, unfortunately, the parties did not fulfill their obligations regarding these

charges of small, so to speak, conditionally small power, which in principle, according to the agreement, have stored in warehouses and they only have to be in airplanes, they can be physically there, and yes, in warehouses, that is why, in principle, this intensive contact, they are constant and the control over movement is very clear. by the way, i drew your attention to the fact that yesterday the application was officially united states that they do not see any moments related to the preparation for the implementation of these harsh statements that sound from moscow. therefore, we also do not need to discount that the main goal, and i believe it is the key goal of these threats, is to achieve the capitulation of ukraine and well it is clear that due to the decrease in the

support of the allies, first of all, weapons are the main goal, and in principle, well, in part, we see that despite the decisive statements of the european union and the usa, in principle, everyone seriously said that this threat to us is serious, it must be perceive as seriously, well, this is probably correct, because i am saying that it is necessary to make an amendment that there is an inadequate person , er, and he is not the only one, that is, this kind of psychosis is widespread. not nuclear conventional, well, actually, it has probably been proven about them, the bunker is there, as we say, well, it has been proven in the kremlin what the usa will do in the event of such an attempt or even a demonstration, because in principle, the russian doctrine of such intimidation is

assumes that first there will be a demonstration of readiness to do this, that is, a demonstration means that there should be no human casualties in such a situation of demonstrations, you mean now that washington said that they will be killed . i understand the leaders of the russian federation . washington did not say such official statements there was not at all and never will be and never will be, i think that in many ways i believe that the problem is that washington, uh, maintains a line of closed communication with russia. they think that this will help they leave for the path personally and his there is a rutka exit, there are some ways to exit, also marina , they will always leave for them, well, now this is not a gap, this is a whole window of opportunities, in fact, for putin, it is just to stop the war, but the court from the point of view of its internal er tasks of maintaining control

over russia, he, well, so far he sees more threats there than outwardly paradoxical, but all his reactions in connection with these decisions, as referents of threats , they are still connected with the fact that he was pressured by the radical wing there, which is more radical or not, so on there should be no official statements about putin personally, although of course how he differs from terrorists i do not know. it is obvious that he is the same, but there will be other statements and they have already been made that there is no preparation, there is no movement of any charges. and if they do not achieve a stop on the part of russia, they will make it public en masse, we will learn about what is being prepared from all mass media from all, that is, it will not be the case that it will become secret, i am sure of this, but still, i think it will not happen again i emphasize what is going on now. well, of course, the russian game is

putin's game. well, we can already see it. for this game, everyone has already found the answers. it is a clear, sure answer. the only thing i would think would be correct would be if the usa and its allies made this answer publicly. that is, she said that they would be catastrophic . the consequences of everything, why can't we just hear a statement that in the event of threats and in the statement of even this rattling of nuclear weapons? well, of course, attempts to demonstrate the usa and its allies take 1 2 3 4 5 concrete actions and then the whole world saw that i assure you, we would not move anywhere else, why the usa and its allies do not dare to do this, i do not know, let's

say this, i understand that this is a difficult decision, but the concept of reacting to the consequences is absolutely not constructive, and we see that, after all, the situation is inciting many thousands tens of thousands of people are dying, the time has come for the usa and its nuclear allies to take a step forward for putin. as soon as they dare to take a step forward, that's the end of it. korea regarding iran well, because we understand that, in principle, what putin is doing and openly threatens, eh , other states that have nuclear weapons can do it and blackmail eh well, the same china can blackmail the united states of america well, here the problem is more complicated, how did it all arise it's all

nuclear weapons, why did they still keep it, as if the impression was created that it was a weapon of deterrence, well, what was the concept that if someone starts - it's the apocalypse, the war of the whole world and the world does not exist, but let's go, i don't want to go into the nuances, but unfortunately, fortunately for us and unfortunately for the authors of this concept, people who know the situation understand that the use of practically nuclear weapons is absolutely not the end of history and in this. unfortunately, there is such a gap that i will tell you one thing we , er, more people died in ukraine than er, well, there, let's say five uses of five-six, seven nuclear charges, already in mariupol alone, from tons of 500 kg of everything that was used by the tornado, is that a weapon of mass destruction it's just that it's still considered conventional, but look

how does a tornado cover a 500-by- 500-square-meter square there and all living things disappear there, bombs, aerial bombs, they get them, if you don't hide two or three floors down there, it kills everyone, that is, we have phosphorous cluster charges - this is all prohibited and a lot that it can be considered a weapon of mass destruction, but not nuclear, not chemical, not biological, that's why for us, it already has such comparable uses, that's what's the paradox, that's why ukrainians understand that no one will take a step back, that is, these are all signals of sunset for bargaining all for bargaining in order to do this why america why putin knows that america will be very afraid of such a situation after several nuclear countries emerged after the second world war and then they were not able to contain additional ones there

india-pakistan they say about israel eh, well they don’t they kept this from proliferation, but still the us signed the non-proliferation treaty for the us - this is also the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, it is a basic security treaty, as soon as some nuclear country applies anything nuclear, all this the concept is collapsing and in the next 5 years we will have 20 more nuclear states and attention including the change they will understand all this, i tell you again, listen to my words carefully as soon as russia tries to demonstrate something in 5 years all these countries will have nuclear weapons and once again, including ukraine, that is why no one wants to allow such a development of events , that is, they will not allow it, and in the first place, it is not necessary for russia, because then they will lose all their leverage. and for a moment, they have not only

the front ours and ukraine still have a large perimeter in them they still have a large perimeter of the south, and then china, they have a lot of things, uh, that's why, in principle, the military there understand me. grubka and putin, not the military, because uh, but i think that in the event of a nuclear attempt there , the military will have their say and they will absolutely not be happy with the performance of such a team. well, you mean, valery, that all the performers who will be in this chain who from putin and to the person who will press the button to send the missile, that they will still stop this frenzy and attempts, let's say, to destroy the balance that existed after the second

world war in the world, there have already been such cases in history when political commands were given to the use of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles was this story is known and it is not the only one. well, we know the public history of this person who sat on this button is the last of all the commands. imagine all the commands above him were given and only he had in at the end, actually turn the key, he did not do it, that is, he did it at the moment when the clock was already ticking, if he had to answer, he dragged it as a result. well, it turned out that it was a false activation of the system, which is very dangerous. then, in fact, these lines were installed, because it is the same about such an activation it's all a technique, it can be anything. here, i fear more than anything, there is a danger if there will be something like that, here's the rhetoric of the

discussion, see what's happening all the time, the discussion is starting to discuss how it seems like a normal thing, it is very dangerous , it affects everyone, those who make decisions, not those who carry out decisions. that is, there should be a simple taboo on this. during the soviet union, there was a fear of this, that is, that is why i do not remember this major or lieutenant colonel he lived in the usa even then, he didn’t do it, violating everything that can be violated, all the orders, he violated everything, but he saved the world from the use of this on ballistic missiles. i am sure that it will be too difficult to convince them that it is necessary it is so well, with a 99-99 probability, because there were tougher situations in history, and with the tactical one, there is a danger because that 's all