heat, if there is such a thing, rhetoric, discussion, see what is happening all the time, the discussion is, uh, they start discussing it as if it were some kind of ordinary matter, it is very dangerous, it affects everyone, those who make decisions, not those who implement decisions. that is, there should be just a taboo during the soviet union, there was a fear of it , that is, that is why this major or lieutenant colonel, i don't remember if he was in the usa, he lived later, he didn't do it, violating everything that can be violated, all the orders, he violated everything, but he saved the world from uh of this application therefore, with ballistic missiles, i am sure that it will be too difficult to convince them that it is necessary, yes, with a probability of 99-99, because there have been tougher situations and fires in history, and with tactical missiles, there is a danger, because it is, after all, different, different type how without, although the consequences are the same

strategic, there are simply fewer charges well, unfortunately, the concept is russian, it is soviet, they have remained a weapon of mass destruction, not destruction, that is, they consider it a weapon of the battlefield, that is, that it can be used well, i will tell you simply no going into details in order for there to be some big strongholds to attack uh, there are 330 km , let's say it's not one, not two, and not even 10 nuclear charges . of a nuclear attack, that is, that they enter er into this zone and just say t-55 60s, you know, it’s been a long time since no one thought about this, and here they raised all this, shook off this dust and are trying to scare all of this with the events of the 60- x years, when really everyone was in fear, especially after of the caribbean crisis with this use of that chain

yes he is the same, i will tell you yes, he is the same , but i think many people make a mistake, they saw from journalists that tactical nuclear weapons are much easier to use there is simply automatically than strategically, nothing like that, nothing like that there without political decisions are also impossible, and without political decisions, uh, you will not move its application to this howitzer or rocket or rocket , no no, it will not be possible to put it in a combat position, that is, the same chain is complicated, but not this is the main fuse, the main fuse is the inevitability of the answer, i.e. already in the period, if it was in february, march, when russia could blackmail so openly, it ends now they were told not to talk, but not just, but don’t talk about it, so i think they are talking at the nearest level, well, at least putin chatter will stop, well

, baidy already said that there is no need to start a nuclear war - it is impossible to win a nuclear war, it is better not to start it at all. well, my opinion. i don’t understand what biden is saying. of course , the wise biden knew grammar personally, that is, grammar is the former minister of legislation of the soviet union. it was never very difficult to knock out a lethal weapon from them. it was very difficult to explain that if they show their strength, putin will advance. well, you see the result of that. well, everyone makes mistakes . the use of tactical nuclear weapons is not the right answer, because i say it again, it is completely different. in

terms of the consequences in terms of volume, it is difficult to understand, but believe me. well, i will say yes, of course, it is difficult to understand in our conditions, but even the use of tactical nuclear weapons will not be any catastrophes for ukraine and for the people who will die there, yes, this is a very, very difficult situation, but we have nowhere to go, we won’t leave. yes, 40 million are all from ukraine, that’s unrealistic, then he wants to take over the country as a whole, but where are we going to leave ? that is, that is why we have no choice. in this regard, therefore, the statement about the apocalypse should be extended to any use of chemical, tactical, nuclear

, biological weapons on the part of russia for decisive action. levers, conventionally , they have weapons, i know perfectly well that they have, in terms of power, the types of weapons, well, much more accurate and powerful, which will inflict a tangible return blow on russia, even even well, with minimal human casualties, but right into the heart or, i don't know, into the body of this monster, that is, they know how to do it, and i only have a big request that they should do it more publicly , because these are all the statements. it is not enough, they have not yet warned about the sheremet of large-scale invasions and the consequences of sanctions, nothing has worked so far, so they have to take a step forward, make a public stopping statement. they are waiting for time, i understand that they

will do it, but they are still waiting for the weakening of russia they want russia to weaken this strategy, but what they are ready to give is not just rhetorical, but a very specific military response, i have no doubt , friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks on youtube and facebook. if you watch us now live on youtube, please like this video subscribe to our youtube channel well, under this video you can see the sponsor button, you can become a sponsor of our youtube channel, there are small amounts for donations please come and support us, we will be grateful to you, we work for you, uh, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, well, read our news on the espresso tv website, mr. valery, the person who

now rules the crimea, uh, and he is under the control of russia, serhiy aksyonov he said what goals the pseudo-referendum pursues, he says that the new status will make it possible to carry out, according to him, on their territories, not specifically a military operation, but a counter-terrorist operation for the people, the most important achievement is certainty, let's hear from aksyonov the status will not be able to protect, but they are afraid that there is simply no certainty, which means how will the family be, a certain point of no return, all this will already be the russian territory, for people around the border, there will be an answer to the main questions, what is next, this is a full-fledged jelly to the russian federation, and accordingly, the country of registration will be to accept the coming twilight of the traditional federation was already through its territory, that is, it is no longer its own. and in fact, the counter-

operation of the russian federation probably existed on its territories they will not leave there from the first day, of course, that is, as if for the entourage, it is necessary to undertake a certain shevely at the front, but nevertheless, that is, clarity, then you can see the determination for people, this is the most important achievement that will be achieved as a result of the referendum, russian information writes about the so-called dnr part of the kherson and zaporizhzhia regions of the lpr may enter the crimean federal district along with the peninsula itself after this pseudo-referendum. well, they already say that the new e-e permanent representative the former lyceum of the prime minister can become the president as the head of the space agency dmytro rogozin why why am i actually mentioning crimea and this possible federal district that they are trying to draw now because it is difficult to say it in another way, there is no referendum on these territories, the sociology that they still give 80% voted there. this is a lie. in wartime, no sociology works. even more so

under the muzzles of machine guns. still, why did i mention crimea ? you worked as the deputy head of president poroshenko's administration in 2014. well, and then they worked in the united states of america as the extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, what did the americans say, what did they say then, what are they saying now about the annexation of crimea, because it was the annexation of crimea that started this aggressiveness with which the russian federation began to seize almost with impunity ukrainian territories, don't they think then that they made a mistake by not interfering in the situation around the crimean peninsula? keep in mind that during my reaction i personally was in the organization on march 5, 2014, that is, at the

site even then near the square of the ukrainian crisis media center, which immediately gave the world information about russia's real plans and that it is necessary to act more decisively, so uh, i don't want to say if i was at that meeting of the national security council where there were those who made decisions at that time about crimea, that is, in order for me to do it, i only know that i need to have all the information here. reasons that is, it is true, and you can remember in hindsight , i was very surprised at that time, knowing our previous actions in the crimea, when mishkov and tsekov once upon a time, and i worked at that time, and then i worked together with those people of the party yevhen marchuk

when in 1995, which means when the crimea branch came in, the alpha sbu unit came in, they cut off all the water supply there, they turned on the electricity, they came in, arrested all the instigators of these pseudo-presidents, isolated them, then sent them to russia in general and suppressed everything, it was the way i raped them i thought that we also have opportunities for the same planes of the landing force, that of the pskov landing force , that landed simply openly in the crimea, that they can, well, at least prevent this landing, as they did in gostomel . which well, there were also in gostomel the same regular weapons that were there and there was nothing like that new mistingers. we didn’t have

anything in gostomel, that is, everything was done in the same way, so i was surprised that then they were allowed to land there, but uh well that's all, that is, everything is mine impressions from that time now, are there any conclusions in america that it was a mistake, well, another administration came, then joseph biden passed, who in the administration of barik obama took a different position, he still called, as far as i know, for more decisive actions, therefore, in principle, this is already history well, look at our capabilities at that time, i will simply ask you a counter question if we are all criticizing that time . us we didn't have much. unfortunately, yanukovych collapsed

, so why are we like this after how many years we allowed the occupation of kherson from the crimea, why did we allow the exit from the crimea to mariupol and the south , we already knew everything, we already knew everything, what to do like this. it is not possible, what is the need for defense and what did we allow again , so you know, let's leave it for the energetic , because now the threats are concrete, today we will deal with the past, then the americans, uh, made their conclusions for many years, we had to convince them that only determined people can stop putin actions, it all started with the provision of lethal weapons to us, a little at first, counter-strike, and then by command, then they went further . there was some kind of calm , it started again, we canceled the programs we had already developed for helicopters, and about anti-

missile defense systems, we followed this path for a few years, unfortunately, it all stopped from the 19th to the 22nd and now, when russia already attacked it's already an illusion in america, there is no politics, it's completely different, er, we could not imagine how quickly the general approach can change, we can say anything , that they don't help enough, there is no involvement of countries on our side in the war, it's true, but to imagine that the world around ukraine is consolidating like this well, i'll be honest, very few people could. and the fact that the preparatory work was carried out in the 14th year for many years without this preparatory work, it is unlikely that we would have done anything now, we may have received the same crimea, but due to the fact that it was not the first time and it had been eight years - still training the armed forces of ukraine were actually created in a new way, and now

even the offensive operation showed that it is a completely different level of the armed forces - it is the fact that it is not in quantity but in quality that is already western standards, so i think that it is necessary to look into the future, not to make mistakes, understand that three first of all, politicians must create the conditions for the effective operation of the armed forces, which according to the constitution, in the conditions of war, have the obligation to defend ukraine. this is the first, second - the hopeless interaction of the rear and all the mobilization of all forces of society with such large countries with nuclear weapons like russia, well, it is difficult to win, but we are sure of our victory, but it can only be after combining all efforts, and thirdly, we must continue to work on the consolidation of ukraine's support for education, now the new task is how to turn the so-called neutral countries into countries that will be precisely on

our side, i mean china and india, brazil there, south africa, well, here are the bricks, where russia is kicking itself into the hands and pressing this is our task today and in this regard, well, to maintain the support well, let's say countries like italy on that that the levels where the elections were held and there will be a slightly different coalition, that is, so that this coalition does not develop in accordance with the sanctions, supporting weapons, this is our task, and in this regard, putin is very serious about helping us now with these crazy statements, is there any point in this situation in appealing to the budapest memorandum or in in principle, in the current situation , it can be said that countries other than russia that guaranteed our security are now helping us. i mean in the context of the possible possible acquisition of ukraine as a nuclear power if the scenario we talked about with you will lead to 20 countries in the future

getting nuclear weapons. well, i'm a paradoxical thing, but until today i would say no. well, it really didn't work and there was no result. but after these statements, i believe that so we have to appeal . why did everyone prove to us? well, this is what i'm telling you. as a former deputy minister of foreign affairs, i myself prepared letters to all these countries that they confirmed their guarantees, they confirmed the usa, britain confirmed the guarantee, france is there, china they sent somewhat similar notes, somewhat weaker but in fact they also confirmed that they confirmed negative security guarantees what does this mean that they themselves are not on the trampoline of nuclear weapons, that is, now it turns out that there are five nuclear countries and only one nuclear country attacked us but not with nuclear weapons for today, but others say we guaranteed that we will not attack me, we attack, we

guaranteed you that in the event of an attack, all these things will be there, there will be consultations, there will be support . the question is still yes, the budapest memorandum does not prescribe a reaction if one of the countries uses or threatens, but what about all other actions, but all these things are prescribed in the un charter, they are prescribed in the relevant e -e conventions against nuclear terrorism. question there should be some kind of joint statement by the countries participating in the budapest memorandum, including china and france, that is, britain, the united states, china and france, or they, but at least these things that nuclear threats are impossible, that is, against ukraine, because there are such obligations on the part of russia well, although all this is the first, the second, we need to put this document in front of them. it is political, although it is political, unfortunately.

they really did not have the right to write guarantees . neutrality and now oleksandr chalyy and the whole group are offering some more guarantees. they are still working. and they are again following the path of the budapest memorandum, which they pushed for signature, so don't make a mistake, we need to talk about something else now with our allies nuclear states, the first position, what will we do after the deoccupation of the territory, what kind of security umbrella will there be in ukraine, well, we can talk about it for a long time there. i believe that there should be a system of collective defense, not self-defense with the help of how we are currently promoting collective self-defense - this is the entry into the organization of the north atlantic agreement in europe well, the second thing that needs to be said is maybe about other mechanisms, which others are the signing of a bilateral agreement with britain, which can be done in principle already during the visit to the forest once of the prime minister of britain in the coming weeks to

ukraine. i say, i don't know the dates, but i know that a visit is being prepared, which means that the usa would also like it. what should the agreement be ? we stand on the defense, as it would not sound strange before , but now it does not sound strange to britain. in the event of an attack on britain, ukraine then enters the war on the side of britain, and britain is now going to war or there in the event of further threats, as there already are, the terms of the introduction of this document will be recorded and same usa and and the step that needs to be taken now is very quick work on our missile program. it has two internal components - this is the budget in which the budget will now be adopted. funds must be allocated and redirected to the missile program. we have the right to short-range medium missiles, that is, we will start with 500- 1,000 km and we have the right to 5,500.

the treaty that restrained russia and the usa has been destroyed, and ukraine never had obligations under this treaty, we fulfilled it so morally . that is why we need non-nuclear weapons to deter it. rockets that are deployed on the main european territory of russia as a factor of deterrence even of nuclear weapons, high-precision missiles, non-nuclear weapons, and we have to get the ok to let's be honest with us, before, no one even in their imagination wanted to allow us, including our allies, to do this, now we have to solve this issue politically ukraine needs deterrent weapons in the coming years, this complex must be done now in connection with the new circumstances, mr. valery, at the end of our program, i wanted to ask you about mobilization partial or full, no one truly understands what is happening there, because we know that russia declares one thing, does another, signs decrees about one thing , executes something completely different. volodymyr zelenskyi

says that russian mobilization is a constant stream of cannon fodder. authorities in relation to their own people, we will hear from zelenskyi that the constant attempts of the russian offensive in donetsk region will surely go down in the history of soldiers as one of the most cynical murders of their own soldiers when we see this when we see these offensives, we are once again convinced that the russian mobilization is a sincere attempt to give the commanders on the ground a constant flow of cannon fodder, there is simply no other meaning in the russian mobilization, they felt that they are losing and are simply trying to delay this moment to ensure at least some activity at the front, to put at least someone with weapons in their hands instead of the dead, unfortunately, russian

society is not yet aware of all the brutality of the russian authorities in relation to their own people. but we must do everything so that every citizen of russia acknowledged that his own state is depriving him of the most important right to life. actually, mr. valeriu, i wanted to ask you which diplomats. and what do you think about the fact that those who flee from mobilization in russia are quite calmly and very well received in different countries in the same georgia e- the americans said that they will consider the applications of those who will flee and give a certain answer about what to do with a country that is basically a country for terrorists, but some people are fleeing from there, but they are not fleeing because they

i don't agree that russia is at war with ukraine because they don't want to be mobilized. well, i have the same answer as yours, i didn't voice it . and you are not surprised, because they fled from russia earlier, they did not want to fight internally, we now have multi-russian journalists, russians work in various positions, 175,000 russian citizens work in ukraine, you are not surprised that they fled earlier, even when they could leave, how nemtsov gave his life, a man gave his life, a politician gave life called a spade a spade, she called putin a terrorist, a murderer, when everyone was afraid to say that word, that is, yes, putin killed him, but politkovska, well, there are russians who fought. that is, we know their names. and those who fled, including those who

fled to us earlier, well, the same thing i have the same attitude towards them as towards those who are fleeing now. well , other countries put them on the same level as refugees, on the same level as ukrainian refugees. this is a strange situation in fact, that is, it will turn out to be a very paradoxical situation. well, these are countries, so they are in in principle, they will do this in a dosed manner. the same georgia will close the border because it is a danger even for them. a lot of uh people can seep in there and then they will be inside uh from the same georgia. georgia will still have big consequences from this resettlement of russians to they will have big negative consequences, and america will selectively do all this, taking those who are beneficial to it and then also preparing there for intelligence agents against russia. in general, from the point of view of morality - it does not hold

any meaning, the answer is, that is, it is some kind of double standards, you understand, and that georgian pragmatism, that is, yes, i don’t know, someone will replenish their human resources in this way, someone will achieve other things about mobilization, this is more important, it is no longer visible, full mobilization in russia, because in part we mean the reservists. it is full, we see that they are calling up students now, they are already taking them under contract. that is, it is full, it will go in waves. i think we are talking about well, in principle, without weapons, just recruit them, they can recruit up to a million . but we need to understand that this is not an easy thing, we need to react to it, but we need to understand one thing . i will end it with this, the mobilization of russia's defense is no longer the mobilization of the future i will attack ukraine. thanks to valery for the conversation. this was valery chaliy

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host espresso and invitation experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow watch the saturday political club that saturdays nespresso good morning greetings dear viewers of the espresso tv channel everyone who watches us via satellite in cable networks she is not in t2 now, i remind you that it is an incomprehensible decision of the authorities, who watches us on youtube, also like, subscribe to espresso in social networks, instagram, telegram, facebook, twitter, all at your service and everything so that you are aware of everything that is happening and will be but a qualitatively good sticker this is a world view program my name is vasyl zima then in the next 45 minutes we will talk about the following two important things that are happening now: mobilization or mobilization in the russian federation and the reasons the course and consequences, we will also talk about the nuclear threat that today russia has once again, as they say

, rolled out a show for the entire civilized world , including ukraine. i congratulate you. good day and viktor babarenko, a political scientist . mr. viktor congratulates you. good health. it is correct to congratulate mr. volodymy rovich. i would like to see you again, but here on the air. you can at least meet online and chat. i was preparing my head today. and comments synchronized with mobilization mobilization, but let's start briefly with the nuclear threat. i'm very interested to hear your thoughts. so, putin himself does not scare the world with the nuclear threat, he gave this honorable mission to his avatar, dmitri medvedev, who is so he is there, who is he, he is the deputy chairman of the security council of russia, and he said this phrase, we will start with it

. plus, they are already threatening nuclear weapons in this civilized world, first of all, nato countries, of course, led by the united states of america. or what can speed it up, please? well, first of all, i want to remind you that russia is threatening a non-nuclear country with a nuclear strike, which has received guarantees from the same russia of the inviolability of borders and respect for international law. because this is psychosis and the dismantling of states