this is not an exception, and now it is just a vivid example of that crossbow, but about russian sanctions, gazprom is threatening our naftogaz , oleksiy, or what does this mean for us? stop transit through the mts of ukraine how does it work eh naftogaz filed a lawsuit against gazprom there on his message i know how there are some jokes i once read before now i read gazprom's telegram feed although well it wouldn't be funny if it wasn't so sad what happened? spromom said that we do not recognize this arbitration, it is no longer friendly. for us, these are western capitalists and so on. we will not recognize it if naftogaz does this, it wants additional money from us. if it were, we would be forced

to lead sanctions and if we introduce sanctions, then we won't be able to settle with oil and gas, what happens next? there is no money for transit, there is no transit. thus, well, gazprom no, well, he clearly hinted that we will, or rather, they will stop transit through ukraine, mr. viktor regarding you have a question, warm socks, hutsul beds, firewood, firewood, how do we insulate ourselves for the winter , because winter is winter, and it is predicted that it will not be warm and unfriendly to us, unfortunately, and again. if we talk about ukraine, then the greatest risk is for the whole winter specifically, it’s uh, it’s infrastructure flights are possible, we really hope that this won’t happen, we need to have an action plan, and what if there’s no heat, then it ’s all about other sources, who can

use uh, and here it’s most profitable, there are separate houses, yes private cities to officers if any it is possible to heat wood with coal, not only with gas, but also with electricity, the situation may be a little better, only because the energy and electrical infrastructure is a little more maneuverable, plus we can, thanks to the fact that we work in parallel in the eu energy system, earn money, but we can m- m to get er resources, that is, ideally, if there are no arrivals, then er, we have er, in principle, the winter can pass without problems, because the resources in underground storages are balanced, because um, it has sharply decreased because of the war, industrial consumption, i.e. the population and communal heat energy remains the main consumer, but it is necessary to have an action plan, yes, sleeping bags, sleepers , in case there is physical access to the thermal

infrastructure. well, hutsul sleepers are beautiful. new designs , i hope that ukrainians will soon be able not to think about flights, but to think about how to furnish their homes, how to make them more beautiful to the envy of russians. thank you, gentlemen, for the conversation, viktor galchynskyi economist, express secretary of naftogaz of ukraine and oleksiy savitskyi, editor-in-chief of gaz pravda information consulting center were with us, we are moving on, we will talk about energy serhiy paskevich, deputy director for scientific issues of the institute of npp safety problems of the national academy of sciences, with us, mr. serhiy, good morning good day. well , negotiations have begun, many have begun, about the creation of a specified nuclear safety zone at the gas station, but we see that the gas station will continue to be dangerous only after

the complete liberation of these territories and some other way out until now we can at the moment there are no universal methods and measures to minimize military influence during the occupation and unfortunately there are no international levers of influence either, they are absent er, considering how er in quotation marks , the international community reacts quickly to such a potential nuclear danger that exists now. it seems to me that of course the west should put pressure on russia as much as possible.

the mechanism does not exist without forceful influence on the enemy at the moment does not exist russia is blackmailing provokes uh and so on, in a word, behaves extremely provocatively in the matter of nuclear security of nuclear power plants of ukraine and the united states, the white house has asked to include 35 million dollars about short-term state funding to promote nuclear security, what exactly can that money go to, or can it somehow also relate to the problems with the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station well, i honestly don't know where these funds will go but it is clear that this is to strengthen the control systems, perhaps to update them, perhaps to the work of some international expert groups

on nuclear safety in ukraine. well, the fact is that during the war , the level of energy consumption in ukraine decreased significantly, and therefore according to the information given by the state authorities, it will be enough to get through the winter period, although this is normal everything depends on that, we see that russia is trying to put military pressure on the southern ukrainian nuclear power plant by shelling nearby territories. in this way, it demonstrates that the energy sector is under a certain threat and risks

of safe and reliable operation, in general, there are plans to build another nuclear power plant, we have heard about them, how realistic is it? moreover, until the hostilities are over, and in general, is this is this necessary, considering the fact that we are now seeing such uh terrorism and blackmail from russia that captivates nuclear power plants well, in fact, it keeps ukraine and the whole world in fear, which can simply undermine or harm somehow, in my opinion. this is an extremely correct strategy chosen by our government in order to secure power system and provide electricity a for the future. the fact is that it is already necessary to think about the introduction of the construction of new power units, since eight of the 15 that are in operation in our country are

ending their period of operation in 5-8 years , and now it is necessary to design and choose sites yes to build directly carry out physical works eh now there is no sense, but every construction is preceded by an extremely eh important and responsible work on the selection of the site and the choice of the type of reactor and the choice of the location and the main justification of the -m assessment of the impact on the environment, the development of economic substantiation techniques, this continues, it may take several years, especially the approval of these e-e these documents by the regulator. that is, it is a difficult job that can be performed even now despite the introduction of war and hostilities. and tell me, is it possible to build this nuclear

power plant so that even if it is captured, so that it does not pose a threat, there are no such possibilities, because you understand that a captured captured enterprise can hmm, it is impossible to develop such protection now for so that it is not used by the military, at least to ensure that during the shelling, no leakage occurred some kind of fortified fire facility or something else. no , there is no such thing now, however, it is normal to design in the new realities of designing new nuclear power units, it should be carried out at a distance

from such a neighbor and of course with systems that will allow in advance to react to possible shelling or invasion is possible or is it possible , let's say yes, missile strikes, etc., mr. serhiy, please tell me, rafael grosit, the leader said a lot that he can come to ukraine to russia in order to somehow settle the situation that has arisen has already arrived once from one side from the other side yesterday we had a ukrainian woman who was one of the organizers of the actions in vienna near the office of the agency regarding the transfer of appeals from ukrainians and she said that the police of vienna despite the fact that their action was legally , i tried to disperse them, how could these two moments be parallel? unfortunately, in our lives

, sometimes, especially recently, there are some events that are controversial and contradict each other. well, what are you going to do? the point is that of course, any kind of peaceful pressure on the international community, especially to try to increase attention to the nuclear danger posed by russia 's fascinating nuclear power plants, it is very useful and very good. it is worth saying that such measures should have been carried out in march. but we have what we have well, of course , it is well-known that the relationship of uh, uh, um, let's say that in germany in general, to the problems facing ukraine .

well, it was in austria, but there is also quite a strong russian community, and for some reason, austrians look lovingly in the direction of russians. but now, russian men are fleeing from russia en masse, so they will have the opportunity to get to know each other better not only with the cream of russian society, but with ordinary ordinary russians who, i hope , received foreign passports, because only 70% of them there have them available. of the safety problems of the npp of the national academy of sciences of ukraine, we will continue the nuclear topic , eh, probably everyone has already noticed this panic that is unfolding around a possible nuclear strike, the

nuclear threat, eh, is more than the panic that has gripped many europeans. because i understand , yes, about that they write a lot there, too, well, but we’re actually getting to that, mr. sergey, do we have anything to panic about or not? presented by russia and all the others. we need to stand by our condition and ukraine above all in the literal sense of the word for conversation well, but the panic continues here, people are already gathering for the last time, they say that if there is already a nuclear attack, they will gather somewhere in our country for oreri, someone even made a playlist uh, what

will they listen to during this orgy, it's a scary and popular idea. and what is a schikovitsa, where is a mountain like that? yeah, it's kyivska gora, and everyone is going to this orgy. well, i don't know how one of my acquaintances is there. i joked that i can say it like that he was joking well, he wrote verbatim that kyiv is an orgy, an orgy is going to be held we are waiting for galicia , the parishioners are gathering to pray for zarvanytsia and then he says and who will the forum protect after this mother of god, think people, think, magne , in fact, people are like this they channel their stress in the right way i think, after all, in the direction and on listen well with humor calmly body and the attempt

of our psyche to adapt and what and what and what and what just putin i can’t understand some very simple things well we don’t have a dump well in us in us it's just that we don't have any options. okay, well, i was a nuclear bomb a long time ago. what is worse than, for example , getting a bullet in the back of the head somewhere from an occupier, as happened to many residents of buchi. what is worse than, for example, dying from numerous rapes, as happened with by women in other purchased regions , and so on and so on, in a word, we have no options. we don't want to return to the rut. you won't have that rut soon. there won't be anywhere to return to. even the world is great and beautiful without russia, it will become even better. roman pavlyuk m.sc in the field of telecommunications and radio systems , the vice president of digital strategy at

intelias company, who wrote a very huge post on facebook and this post. well, i looked at it about an hour ago , and maybe something changed when i, it takes a lot of time to run through it, we will briefly try to retell it a little with you, mr. roman, but here i saw that there were four s- four thousand 400 shares, that is, i went to people, er, these recommendations of yours. although there are many, er, many of them are written, er please tell me, except for you that there is a threat, i am a blow. and why did you decide to express your thoughts and did you expect such an effect? ​​well, that there will be so many people who will spread it, and someone will even listen to it, besides , every point that you

recommend there is fulfilled. good morning. you know, i did not expect it at all i didn't expect such a fact and uh well, let's say this first, uh, i expressed these thoughts because this part is what i'm saying, what i studied for, and on the other hand, i was interested for a longer time. and that is, i collected this information and so uh- to understand already there for one night in one minute like this so i'll write posts like this so uh-uh let's say so uh-uh questions in general uh-uh i'm up to one war i was interested somewhere from each of us the conflict with russia started it's been about eight years now there is a lot of material uh- let 's say open sources, for example, there are materials on nuclear tests that were conducted in the 50s and 60s, and one of these tests is called atomic soldiers. and this is at the training ground in the natotsk training ground. if i'm not mistaken, in the soviet union, they blew up a nuclear bomb here, er, and then after

there for 15 minutes they sent soldiers marching marching with a throw straight to the epicenter and back, that's what the americans did there at their training ground in the state of nevada, that's similar provenance why did they already want to know what will happen is this how you people live or will not survive that's why there are practical studies like a person behaves epicenter, you know, i analyzed, as it is called, the methodological recommendations that are available now, and they are all calculated for so-called nuclear accidents, well, that is, god forbid, for example, an accident happens there at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant there are power plants or some other man-made accident, there is a nuclear accident, there is an emission, but they were not calculated at all, for example, when there is a nuclear strike. and it is a completely different story when there is a nuclear strike, uh, we

have destruction, we have panic, we have a lot of other things. and by the way, we were worried these things for february 24-25. so, when there is a shock, when i don't understand what to do, and so on, that's why the third one is, of course, the so-called crisis management and human survival. and it's easy for us there repeated several times what will be tactical? is medicine? by the way, according to nato standards, it is designed for the fact that a soldier or any other participant in conflicts who is not a specialist in the field of medicine has the goal of assessing a solid situation according to which these are absolutely simple elementary factors, because i remember the methods from civil defense, are there recommendations, uh, still soviet, and move against the wind there, from the epicenter, move from, determine

the direction of the wind, the sun, other well, in fact, you have to be a boy scout to orient yourself like that, and that’s it can you imagine here, here, here, you go out there god forbid, hypothetically, you got out of the basement, thank god, and all around you there were screams of people and other things, and you . yes, we need to determine the direction of the wind . you determine well, i will go in the other direction or, for example , it is necessary to determine there degree 9, where i am in terms of the degree of destruction, or am i in the epicenter, or am i, for example , sorry, there are things that, uh, we are like in a panic or will be, for example, well, let's say in shock and especially not being professionally trained it's difficult for us to do, but the only thing i recommended is to buy a dosimeter, but you know this rather, the truth is that it's optional because they use a dosimeter, but if i noticed this post, there is almost no how to

use it, what are micro-x-rays, how is this one ? why, because this is a separate topic and this not just because of that. if you manage to buy a dosimeter, well, thank you for that. tell me, tell me what to buy a dosimeter , gas mask, buy food. you are alive if you exhale, then 99% of the time you survived, this is already the first principle, that is, if you survived the blow, a few minutes have passed, uh, you have no burns on your body. so i will most likely live on. this is the first in principle and it is quite important because basically

if you read the hiroshima statistics there, the largest number of people died right at the moment of the impact, that is, from well and from burns on the open project, that is, if you hid somewhere there any crack and you were carried away, that is, you did not directly burn your skin, etc. hmmm well, you will live because you will receive high levels of radiation, which really, well, write acute radiation sickness in the event of a nuclear attack, oh, oh, well, it’s already necessary how then they say to expose yourself to some kind of radioactive influence, you just need to go to the epicenter like these nuclear soldiers and collect this flooded concrete with your hands, now going back to 2 directly to your question, er, the respiratory organs, first of all, we protect the respiratory organs, and this is sacred because after the impact, a very large number of isotopes are formed. these are the so-called

radioactive analogues of the existing atomic elements. they are from strontium. to our dismay , they are much more than on the active one, so radioactive iodine replaces standard iodine, and so our thyroidologists say to use iodine, but to use it, well, look, if you are inspired by pollen, it will not help you anymore, that's why it's a question. doctors, so his recommendations are also not included . let the doctors recommend there to take or recruit to protect the respiratory organs, so a respirator is not needed against you, legally, you do not need this respirator that we used there . well, here are these standard ones, take them apart, well, buy a few pieces, and that’s the minimum, that’s the absolute minimum, and what kind

of respiratory protection do we need? well, there’s no respirator, so it happened, god forbid, somewhere to pawn this one, well, whatever method a we take there we wrap the t-shirt around the face, the shirt, the canvas, i wrap everything so that the main thing is to cover the organs to breathe, the second is the skin, the dust that got on our skin, and then it will be very difficult to wash it off, and you must have seen how those who work at nuclear plants take a shower there and have several times or if you see the chronicles of chernobyl and how they wash cars there, three people constantly wash, wash, wash. and that's why the protection of the skin eh, further eh well, a protected backpack, that's why i said to take polyethylene there, why because i won't say take six sets of clothes there and be there to change them every 6-8 hours well, of

course, you know how much you we need to put clothes in this suitcase so that this is why it is best to take polyethylene and for now well, there are raincoats, bags and we wrap ourselves in them, here is the plan, by the way, as the material stops radiation very well, we are talking about alpha and beta substitution, well, gamma is radio waves. of course, it will not stop it, but just er, in terms of its lesser evil, the greatest evil is actually alpha and beta particles, which are heavy and cause damage to the body, what you are saying now is so strange that i am, well, there are many of us, there are many such stereotypes, for example, in order to to survive the radiation, you are watching, you need to cover yourself with lead, preferably a meter long. well, if you can, you have enough and enough strength, they say . then from

take yourself to metal things and radio electronics in any what is this connected with there, well, it is connected with the fact that at the moment of the explosion, an electromagnetic pulse is formed, what is electro- why is it formed at all, dad? well, what happens when a bomb explodes ? this process takes microseconds. and nuclear physicists write there the first planck unit of time. it is 10 - 17 degrees/s. well, of course, the number is small. the number there is time 1 2 3 plank. and so they say there that the first moment, for example, such a flow begins these beta parts of electrons that they are form an electric current from it, we create an electric magnetic field, and the magnetic field leads again, in a word, in all metal objects , a current e-e begins to flow, which is quite close to the epicenter, and if it is for the pillars of bridges and other metal structures there, it doesn’t matter, these currents are these the currents that will flow, for example, in your wrist on some bracelet, eh, they

will heat it up and i can give you a burn, eh, the same well, there is a phone, there is a lithium battery there, from this temperature, from these currents, it well, the battery can catch fire there, you know , only on batteries they are quite unstable. well, they will burn you and so on, so it is better to postpone them, in fact, i will tell you. no one knows how the iphone 14 will behave in the conditions of a nuclear explosion. well, the last one was blown up near the electronics there in 601, after that such explosions prohibited the experiment and there was then a tube receiver, but the iphone was not from that, not the battery . here this is another such phenomenon, there are no practical experts, specialists in this field, who can tell me, and what will happen in

the event of a nuclear explosion, there are practically none. this one was trained in civil defense, and also according to the soviet system, soviet, what is the correct way to say it ? how, er, mrs. ulyana suprundu said that it is necessary to speak correctly. there was a mixture of liquid and a bunch of such gauze tampons . this liquid was based on acetone. they also had other houses. how can i write, get it for yourself or buy it? where can you buy it ? against a chemical package that is intended for washing off, such as acetone, which is a good solvent, and it

dissolves fats, uh, and others, there are some aerosols, and so on, that is, if some radioactive dust got on the body, then if you can have it, we can tell you to take it wet wipes, well, on the extreme ok, let there be wet wipes with alcohol . but the best thing is nail wash, because it contains acetone and its derivatives, and it is an excellent solvent and mixes everything very well. that's all. there's no secret. that's why it's actually a nail wash. that's because it is available. we can buy it in a store, but you don’t need to gut all the stores there, that’s enough for a small bottle, that’s what i think, well, let’s say it’s possible on the farm, it’s in every house . the ends of exotic items that you would buy and they will never come in handy again. oh, and raincoats are also made from our lviv weather, the

more you will go for mushrooms. oh, if if you are preparing for the apocalypse, then go ahead to the chicory or at least to the simple one. and if you are going to survive and i have been fighting for a long time and dancing on the throws of the russian empire, that is, roman pavlyuk on the facebook page while we were talking with you, another 100 distribution of your post, a huge long-term e was added. i think that it is already our viewers who turned on our teter er also read it took a note and passed this information on thank you mr. roman for the fact that you collected that information so meticulously and in detail laid it out for us er informed prepared it was roman pavlyuk master in the field of telecommunications radio systems imagine this is the president of the digital strategy of the intelias company, who wrote on his facebook page a detailed step-by-step plan of what to do and what to do, what to buy, what to wear when it happens, god forbid