е стран the fact that ukrainians should not er drown in their hatred of russians er more than that they should forgive do we really have to forgive the russians for the fact that they er started in 2014 and continued in 2022 well i think the answer was очень simple and you forgave the nazis who killed and burned people, buchenwald, maidanek, well, if you forgave them, then we can think, as they say, uh, openly, we forgive hitler, yes, gebel, with a conscience, a trope of fun, sonderman, who killed people, so there is no forgiveness, there is no conversation.

we tolerate, not tolerance. this is such a universal principle. it also seems to me that call popper also justified his open society and his enemy there. so i even switched to ukrainian and didn't notice how eh. thank you very much for the conversation. and the drones were amazed by lithuanian politics, former sims. a former member of the seimas of the republic of lithuania and the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania in the 10-12 years was on our airwaves and managed to discuss not such a wide spectrum in the end said mr. au droniv from against when we they say that we forgave or did not hold hatred here, we rejected hatred, it devastates a lot of ukrainians, now they say that it is such a righteous anger, and not some kind of hatred that obeys us and hatred that helps us survive in the first place, i still believe that hatred is always counterproductive, but i rather liked the idea that it is necessary to have

a certain immunity to everything russian and to redeem the repulsion, relatively speaking, to these influences, this is the first step in order to get this noun, and it is from love to hate, but the main thing so that it doesn't come back later, because it's still some kind of unstable position. well, as for me, well, but we, we, we entered it, we are real. now we cry for this huge sacrifice, it will not be forgotten . the war didn't touch didn't touch didn't touch very much someone more strongly than someone a little less but no one will be indifferent anymore and i can't imagine a ukrainian who will say that he has russians as his brothers well, are they already ukrainians or are they russians now to georgians especially those who leave en masse to georgia, now we will ask what is that guest vakhtang moisaya e tell me,

am i correct in accenting your surname yes good hello let's congratulate from georgia i can understand ukrainian but i can't speak enough you see for that we are absolutely welcome i'm sorry, that is, if i understood correctly, we'll try to speak ukrainian. as they say, my grandmother lived with help, and tamara manko , that is, he is no longer alive. unfortunately, i am very proud . well, we see that today i am ukrainian. -y in ukraine in 1 ukraine, then in georgia, the grandmother laid the right epidivalene for which she is also thank you. i think that she is happy there in heaven, knowing that such a grandson

is, for the audience, i will say that he is a georgian expert and a doctor of political science. well, actually about these russians who are now attacking russia's border with georgia, how does georgia accept them, or are they happy to wait with bread and salt, well, in general, we don't accept salted bread. что коритые бегут that's right, on the burial, well, of course, we can accept it as a humanitarian contest. i would say gestures, eh, and we have collected a very difficult situation, because the application of 3,000 cars has already accumulated on this island. i would say, eh, border lines and eh - already so say that the first step is to move to the people who are fleeing russia from the kremlin. i would have said that the russians are fleeing, and i should have said

that not only the russians are fleeing, but our brothers from the north caucasus are also getting rich. what is the most interesting thing что печему-то грузынская строена печему-то саказать е-е as they say, they delay е-е passage to georgia and do not give the opportunity to pass to these persons who live and represent such means a lot for us е- е bratskie republika as chechnya е-е ingushetia and dagestan ah, i don't know what it's connected with ah, but eh the border is actually open and now the kremlin is preparing to close the border, by the way, one of the ukrainian tv channels, eh, offered this and that, and made this one. to close the border unfortunately, my prediction has already come true because , as you know, so to speak, crimea is about to introduce a state of siege in the northern network, but they

will already be done, so to speak as they say with the border troops of the fsb, the border with georgia should not be given the opportunity to cross over to our territory for those people who want to escape from mobilization, so even there they open two or three so-called mobilization military appeal centers. and there already this situation is also on the rise eh georgia already has tbilisi already, so to speak, terrible traffic jams, it’s simply impossible to drive there by car because everywhere as they say, it’s added russian russians, that is, cars with russian, probably sausage numbers, er, the situation is getting very hot in the sense that the prices have already risen for renting apartments. that's how it is, even two or three, so to speak, no more hares once, and in fact, a protest will already begin, er, waves

against that's what i would say. if there's a 8-year-old in georgia, that's what a train of russian tanks and armored vehicles is coming. that's what's going on. that's how humanitarian a column in k-10 is. hybrid can be a war. well, these russians who are now crossing the border, they are a - but still, this is it some kind of average russians, are they russians who, in principle, have been to georgia before, are they people of some kind of middle class that they can be, relatively speaking , good? benefit and in the end assimilate somehow are these still people who will cause more problems? well, i think that there are people of different social strata, that is, there are different social strata, and there is not enough social level, and

even better i can say enough, even here are the prices. 100-200 and lariska says well, roughly, it's roughly 50 dollars now, the price has already become $400. it is already so clear that even many people are like that, such information was passed that even russian citizens who are crossing over georgians sell cars. to live somehow, let's say georgia, well, if they really give a route there, today there is $7.8,000, conditionally speaking. well, it would be enough for a couple of months, at least somehow to live. well, people are absolutely running away from there. so say, eh, he's not ready, as they say, so it's not real, they're just forced to run away, and here

's how to find a way to exist, even here 's a video of those, how to say everything, diane, how selling a car can sell personal belongings, etc. but here in georgia, it's so so so many so say the first one from ukraine but they are for us like our brothers and sisters we are absolutely ready to help or help very much время могу казать а-а and well, there are some layers in georgia all the time that can support so say or sentiments about russia, but they only make up, they don't have and say well, a maximum of 10%. absolutely georgia and we, uh, even here on the politiiskaya olena, are absolutely the pagerot of ukraine and the ukrainian people

, who are families, and it is obvious that they are leaving with the goal of settling in georgia, and their children have to go to some kind of kindergarten to school. how many schools are left in georgia with teaching in russian or russian-speaking kindergartens is an interesting, very important question . yes, the ukrainians from bremen who come to georgia also speak in russian , because mostly they, er, theirs, so to speak, so to speak, percentage, eh, i would say that the mass is from eastern ukraine, and well, we have, for example, georgian russian schools and russian razgruzkie telecenters, which are generally closed by law, we are prohibited by law. as they say, even teaching in

russian is only available in georgian and english, and even it is already in turge, so to speak, eh, in western european languages for example there german, there is french, but mostly it is english, georgian, and the languages ​​of toski. so, in this concert , there will be some problems with the arrangement. some of them are private. i would say that schools or private gardens can switch to russian, and because of such an influx of immigrants from the russian side, i don’t know , but this problem is very relevant , so to speak. er when we accepted and now we accept ukrainian persians who are really forced to escape from the russian occupation, even some of them from georgian have already opened ukrainian

ones . the question is what should i do in georgia, what decisions are being made in this direction at this stage, there were such rumors that kuzya is going to close the border from her side, but these are only rumors because here is the representative of the right-wing party, as if irakly eh after buckets said that georgia is not going to take a step here eh well, at this stage the situation is very i would say eh placental i would say very troubling because georgia's life is very difficult очень войское социальное празнежность е фансонное-економическом plan, this is exactly how it is in our country. very bad, so to speak, showing how our government says that it has already overtaken and overtaken the united states. unfortunately, the reality is real life says absolutely the opposite, if

there will still be such an influx of refugees already from the christmas side, then this will also lead to a big, so to speak, inflationary process. eh, even so say, eh, we can’t rule out because the testicles between ukrainian and russian citizens of berzen, who naturally have figurative political views, and the fact that already the chest is starting today in mass protest, to say that er concession a-a the head of which er-e opposition movement so to speak political and non - progressive organizations a-a against i would say , uh, the sausage side, and this is where the mayor needs more than 15,000 people, if this is already big, big oil.

how do you know people and accept them? now this influx russians, how do they behave, because we know that if they come even abroad, even to those countries that were not once part of the soviet union, because they generally have such an attitude towards them that you are someone there and here we are e, then they start saying e well, speak normal yazeki, well, that is, speak russian, but don’t speak english or something else because i don’t understand you, and their huge number now in georgia is not such a time bomb, you know, that now they will somehow behave quietly, but when they will get stronger, they will understand that there are quite a lot of them there, then they will start dictating some of their own rules and swinging their rights. and then they will also call putin to come and protect them. unfortunately, the mentality of many who come from russia to georgia has

already manifested itself such cases when russian citizens rented an apartment at the beginning, then they did not pay the editor, so to speak, and then they refused to even leave the apartment, even our local police could, even now, this is sabotage russian, when someone wanted to hear how these newly arrived and not newly arrived russians behave, but they only chose georgia to live there because there is beautiful nature and good weather. what is the language of the signs written, or rather what is it? yes, and so on. these newly arrived russians from uzbekistan are the ones who leave with families. some woman there wrote that she said she took her child to school and

hoped that there would be teaching in russian, but no, there is no teaching in russian. well, what? we will teach uzbek uh-uh sadly, she uh-uh accepted the conditions of life that her life had abandoned, well, what, well, but a russian should remember his native languages ​​a little bit, there, there, there, there, some mongolian, there, tatar , various turkic languages, well, here, ottoman, this is also a turkic language. beautiful, wonderful they have their own language, some cultural figures in lug bek, for example, it was a very cool enlightener of the middle ages of central asia, so you even understand by the way, even uzbekistan, yes even i say so, but it is a country with a deep culture cultural heritage with its very interesting architecture, it is interesting because of its culture, with its luk bek, a great educator, what a great educator, who was an educator when

they were still running in moscow, i apologize, the bears chased each other through the swamps, shouting, uzbeks also have their dignity, more than that, russians for a long time they mocked and ridiculed well, what should be done more for their behavior udmurty i don't know well, all of them are all small towns, each has its own culture, each has its own folklore, each has its own folk songs, fairy tales, customs, they are all misinterpreted, forgotten , filled with vodka, that goat, and so on and so on, but they exist, they really exist and they can be reborn . i will tell you that the russian so -called partner begins in the 19th century , there is nothing before that, even the american nation, which again has an anglo-saxon background,

well, in its basis, and it already has its powerful folklore from the 18th century and in russia very young very new there is nothing in them legal sciences and the growth of international and valery dima political expert director of the center for social information technologies the forum is with us on the air we welcome you gentlemen good day glory to ukraine heroes glory to ukraine we are talking here about all kinds of small peoples of russia that inhabit it and whether or not they will finally wake up their dignity, which the russians have so long persistently tried to put to sleep with the help of moonshine, well, look, er, in fact, we can really state that exactly some at least at least protests are what can be called protests because what

we saw there in moscow is what we saw in st. petersburg and other cities of so -called russia, where so-called russians live, so protests there are, in principle, impossible a priori as that's how we've already seen it, the fact that 1.5-2.5 people turned out there, it didn't even surprise anyone, but we saw really very interesting processes, they took place where is dagestan, we see that, in principle, interesting processes took place there, uh, atypical for of the russian federation why are they unusual because, in principle , there have not been large-scale protests in recent years, especially when it concerned some specific state decisions, but here, er, there is and indeed this spark she can, so to speak, start the process, at least that people will start asking themselves the

question and why we have to die for this great one. dagestanis it is quite difficult to call large- scale protests large-scale protests - they are, well, in terms of the population of dagestan, dozens will take to the streets there. maybe there are 100,200,300,000 people, then it will be possible to call these protests large-scale , what we see today is certain protests already, because i once again i emphasize that what is happening over there in typical muscovy is not a protest at all, but what

happened here is really a local protest - these are really certain bells of the fact that peoples and peoples, which in principle have no relation, i am absolutely with you agreed to our inclusion, and andriy lesya very, very correctly spoke about the fact that these are peoples who, in principle, existed even before such a concept as muscovy or russia or the soviets appeared, whatever you like, this is what they call themselves there, that is these people are beginning to realize that they are not a part of russia, and that is already good, but to talk about large-scale protests, i think it is too early, let's wait a little. let's see how the situation will develop, how large-scale this mobilization will be it is there that we need to tighten the screws on this in places, and we must not forget what is actually in the kremlin. well,

we are not laughing at them. but of course there are some idiots who are not such idiots and they understand that, for example, there somewhere we need to weaken the mobilization, somewhere we should strengthen it. where, where, they are the biggest idiots are sitting in front of the tv there, it can be strengthened where, in fact, dagestan, chechnya and several such national republics can be weakened there for a while, but one way or another, let's wait and watch the development of these events with the scale mobilization and possibly with the scale of certain centrifugal processes that will take place in russia. perhaps these protests will increase, but for now, in the end, i do not expect that in the near future large-scale protests and some kind of large-scale sabotage are possible in russia. do you think

there is a chance, a chance, i read a new newspaper, well, i read it for the first time, by the way, i read it, i went to the link, and there a russian man is thinking, what was he actually saying now in this this person dies in the war. this person is a russian person from sovka, that is, she lived for 30 years, 32 years with her dreams of a scoop, and they were different. there were these deliveries. someone was waiting for the scoop, that something else, but now there is a process when this one ends. the period is a transitional period, and the author thinks about what might happen next. and he considers only three options. the first option is a humiliating military defeat of russia, which will lead to its defragmentation.

the option is that russia will still come to some kind of peace agreement that will allow it to save face, and then in that russia it will try to turn it finally into north korea, and the third option is that they will still have their own spring of nations there that they will rise up, in your opinion, which option is the most likely? well, i will not discuss the options of the russian liberals , the good russians, because all their er-e attempts to predict the future are actually the future of growth that they want to keep the same scoop nothing else. they watched, they overthrew the tsar and fought against the prison of the peoples. do you remember the museums, the new classics, calling russia that, but they completed the modernization of russian er, russian chauvinism by the russian empire, so the question here is not the end of this 350-year history of russian

zionism of the russian aggression scoops - it was only a kind of modern chauvinism for this and that chauvinism and i never relied on any processes inside russia, i know very well the same intellectuals there, milestones from the depths who started writing about the russian people ended with the fact that it is still necessary to think about the holiday, because the russian people are in trouble, which immediately threw them off. i have never appealed to russian citizens, not even in the 14th year , not even when it was done by many ukrainian experts or of the ukrainian intelligentsia , i appealed to the people of russia, i wrote, er, i wrote verbatim that russia has destroyed your past and will destroy your future with our hands, this is exactly how i appealed, but the whole appeal does not solve the issue of the issue of the issue of the armed forces forces of ukraine about all these and when they are in

the army of the aggressor, when they actually direct the edge of their unifying motivation when it is possible to rob all those buryat tales, say it in kanderivka gives sanctions, which are also to some extent there different peoples there, regina's accident, there are many different peoples, the state of nationality lives on the territory of the same dagestan, and all this criminalized longing, which in fact, was still a worm , was not recognized as separate peoples, it was said that it was, well, he was at a meeting in the 43rd year talked about that these are actually the chinese people, the buryats, who are practically the mongolian people, all these peoples, they can use the toilet when they seize something, and i do not believe that there is any trouble there until they start competing and looking for the guilty in because they are defeated. i never believed in the borscht coups in russia. i

never believed in the revolution in russia. which is created somewhere there, uh, well, it is done in moscow or st. petersburg. a traditional revolution is done in big cities and capitals. i always believed in the disintegration of the russian empire precisely starting from the periphery, which can unite dagestanis, buryats , tunas, so that they would realize that they are buryats and give them the chance to give them weapons and mobilize them and give them weapons, i will remind you by analogy with the revolution of the 17th year, the war was very good among all the peoples of the russian empire, starting with the ukrainians who were then part of the russian empire in this territory. a century before that, remember lermontov's wild divisions, they were the best national e-e

formation, but who practically overthrew the tsar, soldiers and sailors, not the proletariat, who then walked the beehive themselves in e-e st. petersburg, svyatoshyn's division, e-e skoropadskyi, 30,000 people, who then made up the basis of finnish e-e self-awareness m.m. general-manergel tsarist general finn and then they began to realize themselves as finns who then began to make the basis of the basmachi movement in central asia of ukraine who then fought with russian e-e troops on the territories of the caucasus and for the caucasus and the north caucasus, the national formations of the entire so -called mobilization of the russians are practically killing uh-uh already uh-uh the last stake for themselves because all these people who so far they still remind me that dagestan until recently even paid money to adopt a son to the army, let me remind you that my son was promised to join the army, they paid money. this is the honor and pride of the avar family,

this is the honor and pride of the dagestani family, and vasyl stays for less than two minutes. is fighting for foreign interests, but defeat at the front will make this process irreversible for the russian empire and for the awareness of these national formations in that they first fought for foreign interests and then they will start fighting for their own interests already against the russian empire mr. andriyev very briefly regarding what do you think what will happen from october 1. how will this card be played, uh, vladimir putin , nuclear mining referendums, well, there is less than a minute left, in fact, there may be several options , first of all, let's talk about what is not very the fact that, for example, there will be something there tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, because the so-called federation council has already started to say that this issue may be

postponed there until october 4, that is, there are certain technical points that may there may be various things that we will say so from postponing the actual conditional, so to speak, fake the joining of the terrorist dpr of the lpr of the zaporozhye kherson oblasts, as they claim. yes, but in reality, putin can now use these referendums as much as possible for bargaining. that is, i do not rule out that, in general, in principle some certain some certain trades some certain we will say so outside of ukraine, negotiations there through certain negotiators may be happening now, but still, in my opinion, today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or in a week or a month, one way or another, they will come to what they will be in essence attaching it doesn't change anything for us let's just understand