er but it doesn't er doesn't prevent a person anyway er will be forced to be in the army yes that is, it's not it doesn't er doesn't allow a person to avoid being drafted and how can you avoid being drafted if even you were served with a summons to appear before the military commissariat, yes, or already there. they have already brought you to the military commissariat to refuse to refuse mobilization, knowingly going for the fact that criminal proceedings will most likely be opened and the person will be sentenced to a certain period of time. well, there the term is very long now there is 10 years of imprisonment eh, but well, look at any recommendations, they are worthless if a person is not aware of all the dangers and sending to war. in the current conditions, without the preparation of

hopeless equipment, without motivation, you can help the awareness that, in fact, there are only two main risks the first is in the case of evasion to go to prison and the second to be killed or maimed in the war if a person understands this then it is already his conscious choice that he chooses prison or to be maimed or to be killed or shouted at to the war and i am convinced that this madness of the russian federation is not forever, not even for years, 10 years that can be determined by the occupation court as a measure of punishment, they can very quickly turn into a year or two, and maybe even into my month that is, when the situation will change in the russian federation, and again, as they say in russia, one does not transplant everything into golden words. thank you, mr. roman. roman martynovsky, a crimean lawyer, an expert of the regional human rights center, analyzed the situation in the temporarily occupied crimea

in what way would it be better for the inhabitants of this suffering peninsula to turn away from forced mobilization to the russian troops is not a completely correct word and to avoid illegal actions, all of them do not become a victim of their aggression, it is absolutely abnormal to mobilize the crimean tatars for war in ukraine, you just have to endure until this regime moves and not to become a hot price, the problem is that their power in the cities, that is, in general, the problem is like this, or the residents of crimea are given 10 years in prison, or he is forced to join the russian army, that is, here it is very difficult dollars, you can always go and pretend that our armed forces of ukraine also call for that ukraine adheres to the geneva convention and we treat prisoners of war as prescribed in international conventions, that is, we do not use force and torture as russia does, so the only

way to survive is this to surrender to the prosecutor's office of the autonomous republic of crimea, there are appropriate telephone numbers and e-mails, so you should write to one of them so that if you are captured, dear residents of the temporarily occupied crimea, so that you do not receive another term from our side for the fact that you, so to speak , took part in the russian war against ukraine, we congratulate you. good day. this is on the border of georgia with russia, there are huge queues of russians who want to come to you, and georgian rallies against such a policy of the state have been announced, this is really politics of the state or what is happening in, please explain why georgia accepts russians, i tell you yes, look at the last week, how a

partial mobilization began in russia, according to the official data of the ministry of internal affairs of georgia, 79,000 went to russia to georgia, and citizens of russia, but from the other side of the country, 62,000 citizens of russia have already left for georgia, and mostly russians who come to georgia now have dual citizenship, part of the georgian population part of the georgians are returning back who are afraid of mobilization. well, there are still russians who also don't want to be mobilized. they could also go to georgia in large numbers. is worth increased points and with this, people are already starting to be afraid to go there, so 62,000 russians left, how do you know that, 79,000 came, that's

all the same numbers. yes, russian citizens came to georgia, and 62,000 left, that is, in fact, it turns out that there is a profit of the population there are almost 20,000 people there, and those who left, where did they leave, i ’ll tell you this: they came here in the summer for tourist purposes in batome, many came because in russia now many, uh, closed many opportunities for recreation, whose feet came to georgia accordingly, some of these people leave back , so i will tell you that there were two waves of immigration , the first wave was always immediately after february 24, after the start of the war, mainly here and there, it workers who could not work in the

country came here, and many came here from here, from here, many worked from here they went further to other countries. it was like a transit route through georgia. and now this is already the second wave of post-mobilization. now they came, in principle, they arrived, and in principle, even on the streets of the city, there in the banks and points мобильной связи е-э есть большое комплекты русскогоговорящих использовать что их сейчас е- е в страница дорожный батонный irakly, what is the motivation of those russians who fled to georgia, we understand that they avoid mobilization, a large part of them yes , but do they internally divide to speak putin's values ​​like that well, because there was information that on other borders, even certain surveys of russian citizens who wanted to avoid the mobilization of the russian army were carried out in this way.

of course, here we will not determine who came. why did he come , but basically it's the same as those who left for mobilization and uh obligations to whoever is there to send to war, but i can't fully understand your question. well, what possible procedures are there in order to establish that those russian citizens who are trying to enter georgia really do not support putin's regime , such as georgia in the first place regarding the support of ukraine, yes, in georgia, i am a huge supporter of ukraine among the local population, and in

all regions, that is, we support ukraine morally, and we support ukraine morally . divided into two positions, the first position is that there are people who are categorically against the arrival of russians because of strakhov there is a hidden occupation and so on, there is a part of the population that still relates to them, look how tourists who came here will spend money in georgia and for the georgian economy. this is good, that is, the society is honest, oh, even there is a general polarization in this, in this question, that is, not everyone supports it, but there are people who say that let us here, they will spend money for the economy will improve well, but on the other hand, we understand that if russia does not establish a block of posts, e.e., among the employees of the military commissariats, then people will

leave and leave and leave, and the question is that not all of them have the money that they could spend in georgia well, and accordingly, is there any strategy on the part of the georgian authorities in order to accommodate those people in a month or two, or to socialize them or adapt them to something like that? well, i don't know. that is, where they will sleep and what they will eat. everyone has money, i want to repeat that here, the government treats them like ordinary tourists who go to georgia somewhere . from russia, there are many other countries. - eh without exit, that is, in they have one hour without a visa, without leaving, they can stay somewhere, that's why there are such and such there are some social packages that did not give the news, there is no such thing here, that is, they all

come at their own expense, and i tell you so, there are even very many queues in banks where russians are really brought there and for ukrainians there are some preferences from the government of georgia to our conversation today , at the moment in georgia there are more than 24,000 citizens of ukraine refugees until august and we were provided with free accommodation in hotels for the georgians settled there in batumi and in other cities. человека это помощь проекцию также eh different state organizations lifondy for example eh now now from

october for six months there will be support for a ukrainian garage but it will be allocated to each citizen and already 235 vary is $80 the minister of foreign affairs did eh in germany together with er and on this mechnits and other ondas and every ukrainian can receive here respectively-oh-oh every-monthly cash allowance one more important point many not state yes that is how our organization eh very much m- m for ukrainians, they offer job vacancies that, although many ukrainians that we meet say that they don’t want, we don’t want to sit, we want to work, it’s just that there are a lot of vacancies that are local entrepreneurs or local construction companies and something else others, they offer for ukrainians who want to work, the peculiarity is that we do not like children, irakli, well, we thank you, but in georgia and about 20 thousand

russians who fled to georgia, now it is a conflict situation that can be explosive, and look at the situation with the braids of russian citizens regarding the conflict who come here . of course, there are some unique household stories that are even later shown on the internet in different youtube channels as a viral video, but in the main this is the same here there is no er, that is, er, aggression, so that there is a mass er , i would not observe it from the other side. you know the site, it happens. well, it happens massively, but if, for example, they call from the kremlin to one

or another high-ranking georgian government with a demand to close the border, otherwise it will be bad. yes, we understand what is wrong. well, the georgian government can agree to something like this, not because it loves maybe not because the kremlin loves putin, but we understand that the kremlin would also like to untie or open the georgian front, and look at the position eh, we, eh, i wanted to clarify that we are abroad in the state, not in the political e- the organization is the position of the employer, of course, of course, they didn’t confuse the ambiguous, but i didn’t want to comment now and i can’t comment because of this. right on the border is this point so where

they are mobilizing the russians, how does it look like everyone who wants to flee here yesterday in north ossetia , and the russians led a-a d-2 restricted in the first place as far as i know that a-a cars citizens from other regions of russia cannot enter, and they did not set borders on on the borders of the severostytiskoy respublika from the second region, russia cannot go there, first of all, secondly, at the very point in larsa, they set up mobile a-a organizational points, that is, citizens who must be mobilized, immediately hand them a summons and immediately mobilizes further there already to the destination city , therefore, uh, even here in many chats , uh, in telegram chats, they already write that larso, in fact, this is the road that was used to escape from mobilization is already in

fact closed by the zapugynska of the ukrainian commonwealth of the situation on the georgian border with russia, and with the ukrainians who are now in georgia, many russians rushed to georgia to escape from mobilization, and there they put them directly in the mobiles of the military commissariat, they arrived, they put the military commissariats , and they begin to pack them, well, on the one hand, it is evidence that the recruits of the russian federation are well, i don't know if they are motivated or not, that is, if they are so active in the uf, we understand whether you like it or not, they will be dragged into the russian army, so to speak, serhii vlasenko, a people's deputy of ukraine and a member of the verkhovna rada's legal policy committee serhiy, we are glad to welcome you on the air of express serhiy vlasenko appeared and somewhere, we hope we

can temporarily add news from them while we are waiting for important news in the odesa city council failed voting for the decision to dismantle the monument to the russian empress catherine ii and transfer it to the historical and local history museum 33 votes were needed to pass the decision, but only 17 deputies voted for the demolition of the monument and although no one formally opposed the rest of the deputies simply refused to vote among them is the current mayor of odesa, gennadiy trukhanov, it's not easy, it's not easy, well, we have to follow the hands of the mayors, everyone , now serhiy vlasenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee on legal policy , is with us sergey. good day once again. i congratulate you. the envoy of 30 states presented a project on the establishment of a special international tribunal to punish russia for crimes of aggression against ukraine. how do you

evaluate the model of this tribunal? tribunal why can't the existing international judicial institutions be used because because no international judicial institution including the international criminal court or the international court of justice un they do not have jurisdiction and investigate crimes of aggression other crimes such as genocide war crimes they can war crimes they can investigate and issue their sentences and regarding the crime of aggression unfortunately, since russia is not a party to the rome statute and it is not a party to the international national court under any circumstances, this court cannot investigate the crime of aggression against russia. ukraine is also not a party to the rome statute, but ukraine, by three

resolutions of the verkhovna rada, granted international to the criminal court of jurisdiction to investigate the case in ukraine, russia did not provide everything, that is why it is necessary to create an international special tribunal that will consider only one issue, the issue of the crime of aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, e-e, the second is how ineffective and correct it is possible to establish such a tribunal, it can be established in several ways the first way is by a decision of the un general assembly such a tribunal can be established and the second such a tribunal can be established on the basis of an international agreement which those countries that agree to that will sign what kind of tribunal should be created for what you said, namely the presentation of the concept of an international special international tribunal, it was called in order to inform the ambassadors

of foreign countries about the very idea of ​​the mechanisms and invite them to start the procedures for possible joining such an initiative is one thing. as far as i know from the peace efforts, because last week the ukrainian delegation was, let's say, in new york for the un general assembly, and it also spent a lot of negotiations and on the creation of a special international tribunal and on the creation of a compensation mechanism for compensations for the damages and sufferings caused by the russian federation in ukraine as a result of the aggression, therefore, work in this direction is being carried out, how quickly it will be done, it will depend on the intensity of diplomatic work now if the intensity remains at what it is today, then i think that somewhere in the near future it will be possible to talk about some progress and about what will appear countries that will publicly and openly support

not just the idea of ​​creating such a tribunal, because by the way the idea was already supported by the council of europe in the resolution of the parliamentary assembly and in the decision of the committee of ministers, they also supported the idea at the level of certain delegations of the united nations organization, which should not only support the idea of ​​a we need concrete practical steps steps in order for this idea to turn into reality, well, on the other hand, we understand that we need really effective, extremely effective mechanisms in order to be a russian interventionist it was painful to talk about the top of the kremlin, well, here is the issue of frozen billions of russia in various structures, and of course i would like to get some chance that the money will not just be frozen. and there will also be a mechanism for transferring it to the ukrainian state for reconstruction and compensatory mechanisms what are the prospects for such a development of events, well, look, i would like to

be very careful, because this issue is connected with diplomatic and political negotiations, one must be very careful in assessments, really ukraine has developed and prepared proposals for the introduction of a special compensatory mechanism, which primarily concern the so -called sovereign money of the russian federation on the one hand and the frozen money of russian oligarchs on the other . well, because at the beginning of this work, we were generally told about the fact that , look, this is sovereign money with sovereign immunity, it cannot be moved, and today certain legal mechanisms are already being considered, how can it not be what to remove this immunity? and how can exceptions be made with immunity? one of the

proposed exceptions is the commission of obvious crimes and violations of international law by the state. once again, negotiations are underway. i am moderately optimistic here. we will be able to proceed to the discussion of the draft international agreement on the basis of which this compensation mechanism will be founded or created. the idea is legally complex and no one in the world has done this, e.g. ukraine will be the first, if it goes well, ukraine will be the first country to create such a mechanism. and you know, when you do something for the first time, it is always very difficult, so i would ask everyone to comment on these issues very carefully, because sometimes i hear the statements of the honorable minister of justice, and i grab my heart realizing that they are not entirely true and are not entirely correct, that is why i asked

everyone to comment on this very, very carefully, mr. serhiy, if you could please elaborate a little on why this case should be commented on carefully, because i also at the same time, i am not a fan of too optimistic statements, you know, they will shake up the internet later on the outcome of the development of events. we do not have any relation to a specific minister here, but in general this is the trend and the matter is extremely serious because it is about hundreds of billions of dollars that should work for us if of course, it would be possible to launch this mechanism, see why it is necessary to comment carefully, there are two basic principles in international relations, the first principle is any state if it acts on behalf of the state it is protected by what is called sovereign immunity. well, suppose you know that the embassy is inviolable to other countries, this is money

if the state has placed it. they are inviolable . yes, there are a certain number of exceptions to this rule, but they are quite strictly regulated, and secondly, when you communicate with our european partners. they are always very careful about the issue of private property, so when we talk about freezing the money of russian oligarchs, it happens quite easily, but when we we continue the conversation about the fact that this money should be confiscated, this is where the right to private property comes in, these are all these two questions, this is a very deep serious legal, political and diplomatic negotiation, and therefore, you know, every careless word can destroy these negotiations, so let's maybe we will be less to do some victory crilation and to work more on the diplomatic, legal and political fronts,

to do the work that may not be immediately visible to our citizens, but which gives us strategic later today i am signing the results again, negotiations are underway to expand the list of exceptions to the situation with state or sovereign immunity , this is, believe me, very difficult negotiations are very difficult , they are going on unequally with the leadership of the state and at the level of the leadership of the ministry of foreign affairs, unequal with the leadership of the ministry of justice, the same difficulty a story with the issue of private property for money and money for the property of russian oligarchs and what is the situation in ukraine with all that business so we understand that i do not know russian agents of influence or russian oligarchs can use the same and international law and international judicial institutions in order to, well, i don't know, re-judge certain domestic ukrainian decisions, as from a legal review, this is the whole matter,

how much does it look uh, developmental, you know , you said absolutely it is correct that you know russian oligarchs are not simple guys, we understand that and we understand that they will use all mechanisms in order to protect their property, that is why i always advocated so that the internal ukrainian procedure of confiscation of assets, namely confiscation, not freezing of confiscation of assets, was as much in line with international requirements as it was in line with international standards, so that we would then feel confident in international judicial institutions . russian oligarchs have already appealed to the court in luxembourg, this is the court of the european union, regarding the sanctions applied to them by the european union, and it is necessary to look with the development of events, it is necessary to look at their arguments,

analyze their position, then use it in ukraine in order to protect the actions of the ukrainian state to freeze and confiscate these hackers, but it should not be, you know, at the level of let's take everything and then let it be what will be because because of in a year, two, in three, decisions of international judicial institutions will appear, which may not be in favor of ukraine, therefore, applying procedures and freezing and confiscation, these procedures should be a as legal as possible legal and you have to meet the international criteria , the international standard, golden words to mr. serhiy. and what about the case of yanukovych and his sanctions, because somehow it happened that they forgot something about this story, and in the european union, so to speak, they took a certain sanction disease out of him, not quite so e- it's true, the point is that luxembourg itself recognized

the previous ones as incorrect, but the european union applied new sanctions based on new grounds, but unfortunately, this is what i was talking about two minutes ago, that is, any sanctions or any freezing of assets or any confiscation of assets should take place on such grounds and in such procedures that we would then be able to defend ourselves in any international courts, unfortunately, this did not always happen, unfortunately, er, we did not always follow here in including in ukraine with the basic international standard. i understand that there is, you know, the desire of people, and i have such a desire to confiscate and take away as soon as possible, and so on, but i always restrain myself and say that we must be ready before any courts to take away it is important but then holding it in court is no less important than taking it away today, so i would once again

advise the current authorities to hurry up, but hurry up legally and not. what did he confiscate, how did he confiscate, is it money or not money, who is it, how will he defend it later, he does not know, but the main thing is to declare that we have to give up a little bit of it, but sergey in the european union announced new sanctions against russia in connection connection with pseudo referendums, what could it be, well, look , we can predict what it will be. they are already starting to say that it could be , in particular, it is about cutting off the four largest russian banks, gazprom tinkov, and someone else from the world, but you know i think that the european union needs to make a more radical decision here and still need to talk about the fact that the

russian federation has already crossed these possible red lines and that the russian federation should be cut off from the benefits of civilization . to make such decisions that are real and painful and will hit the russian economy in the short term, we must disconnect banks from swift, we must all limit the price of gas, we must take part of the payment that goes to pay for gas, we must take away the fund for the recovery of ukraine, we must accept other things that hurt the short-term perspective of russia economy, mr. serhiy thank you very much for participating in the express broadcast serhiy vlasenko, people's deputy of ukraine and member of the verkhovna rada committee on legal policy more news iryna koval already ready to tell us about everything that is happening in ukraine and outside of ukraine