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antin borkovsky and the invitation of experts soberly evaluate events analyze them modeling our near future that saturdays at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10 p.m. - studio event with anton borkovsky naispresso glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko everyone good day and good health today is the 217th day of heroic ukrainian resistance to the russian occupiers, moscow is happy with the pseudo-referendum for the annexation of the occupied territories of ukraine to russia and is waiting for its legalization in the russian state duma. zelenskyi says that these results of the pseudo-referendum were drawn up in the kremlin, and therefore the ukrainian state in case the kremlin will legalize these pseudo-relationships and will not hold

talks with vladimir putin. meanwhile, british intelligence reports that ukraine is stepping up its offensive. russia is strengthening its defenses. the russians continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine . ukraine has already lost 2,312 tanks, 4,889 armored fighting vehicles, 1,381 artillery systems, 331 multiple rocket launchers, 175 air defense systems, 262 aircraft, 224 helicopters 3,742 units of automotive equipment 15 ships boats 241 cruise missiles 989 drones 131 units of special equipment the enemy suffered the greatest losses in the kramatorsk and donetsk

directions so the referendum painted by moscow merkel asks not to annoy putin and the mobs from the russian federation are already at the front, we will talk about this in the next installment hours with us in touch oleksandr musienko director of the center of military legal studies mr. oleksandr good day good health to you thank you for participating in i welcome you to our program, therefore, moscow announced that the pseudo-referendum on the occupied territories of the ukrainian state was successful, they drew up to 100% of those who want to join russia, the figure fluctuates, if i'm not mistaken, from 94 to 90 seven percent. well, what can they be? the percentages that can be a referendum during the war. well, under the barrel of a machine gun, and of course, what can be the calculations, taking into account the fact

that these numbers, as volodymyr zelenskyi correctly stated, were simply drawn by the kremlin, by the way, yesterday of the un security council considered the question of holding these pseudo-referendums on ukrainian territory at the request of the ukrainian state and let's hear who said zelensky speaking virtually in the organization of the united nations at the general assembly of russia's recognition of these pseudo-referendums as supposedly normal implementation of the so-called the crimean scenario and another attempt to annex ukrainian territory will mean that there is nothing to talk about with this president of russia. annexation

is such a step that puts him alone against of all humanity, such a clear signal is now needed from every country in the world. i believe in your ability to act. do you believe, alexander, in the ability of the un security council to put putin in the place of the possible annexation of the occupied regions of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions? there is russia, and as long as it has a legal system, then of course they cannot make any decisions, moreover, you know, i will tell you that even the radbes himself and eh with russia even when they made some decisions for example, with regard to the sanctions against iran, he did not guarantee that russia would comply with them, because this is an interesting thing, i will just make a digression so that it is clear that

the security council. russia voted in the same way then, but in principle it did not interfere with anything, as later it turned out that russia was sending weapons to iran in order to circumvent the same sanctions that it itself voted for from the highest platform of the security council, and it remained in fact irresponsible even then, as we can see. perhaps if russia had been brought to justice and brought to justice since then, there would not have been those consequences and catastrophic changes that incited russia. what is important in general? here are a few messages that resonated in the context. it is said that russia cannot be legitimate , especially ukraine, which is participating in the war, this is an unequivocal position of the friend, which came from the head of the

european council, that russia in general should at least to suspend membership in the un security council, these are quite important things that have not been discussed before. i am convinced that russia must be excluded from betraying the un security council. legal points can be observed, and the second point from the speech of the president of ukraine, in addition to all that, he said an important and relevant thing, as i think that russia will need to get rid of nuclear weapons . for the first time at such a level on a high platform , this is the position, and i understand that this position will continue to develop, because in the context of russia's threats of nuclear weapons in the context of nuclear terrorism, of course we

should strive for this. but of course, in the form in which it is radbez now ion can count on the fact that they can stop or restrain russia well, unfortunately, it does not have to and of course, of course, then he tries to somehow justify this pseudo-referendum yesterday he held a meeting about the collection of impressive he says that he also saves people and conducts a special military operation and collects bread well, he conducts pseudo-referendums, we will definitely hear putin today in the conditions of carrying out a special military operation not y-y and referendums er-e in the donbass for the salvation of people in all territories namely the salvation of people in all territories where this referendum is held, all of this is located in the corner of the chapter, and it is the center of attention of our entire

society of the entire country - this is natural because it is connected with dramatic events, but hmm a well-known simple and fundamental law that is contained in a very simple well-known phrase хлеб весоме глава этот закон не отменял taking into account mr. oleksandr what and this idea of ​​pseudo-referendums that they brought up for a long time and then hesitated for a long time when to hold it there or on september 11 on the day of the single vote in the russian federation or later and then unexpectedly in three days, they simply made up these pseudo-referendums , drew these numbers, simultaneously announced the mobilization, doesn't it look like that

now putin is us, and the pseudo results of the pseudo-referendum will blackmail ukraine and the whole world, and there will be no such quick-quick annexation of these territories or voting for the accession of these territories to the russian federation. in order not to keep both the west and ukraine in limbo, i will say two words about what putin said. well, first of all, he continues to talk about the so-called special military operation well, it’s already some kind of it’s just that we are together when we can talk about giving e-e instructions to sign decrees about, in fact, even in general mobilization, and not partly because there they lied in the regular because now they are taking a large number of people and there in russia well, and call it's a

special military operation. well, it can't stand anything at all, they can't even say that it's actually a war and a second war, but where are all the farmers who wanted so much to collect bread and help people, he says everyone in russia is interested especially those who ran to storm the borders to georgia, kazakhstan and finland, mongolia, other countries, it is quite noticeable who is interested in this, this is an indicator. by the way, now there are two scenarios regarding the so -called referendums. it is more likely that putin will try to complete the annexation of these territories as soon as possible, so you still understand what the situation is, the situation is that russian troops are now mostly retreating along the front line, especially in the east, we see it. yes , where. well, it continues. accordingly, we

understand that and how to blackmail some kind of letter about the fact that a pseudo-referendum was held there, which no one in the world recognizes, so i think that for in order to consolidate his blackmail, in particular, he will certainly do everything to speed up the annexation of these territories through the relevant decisions of the meetings of the duma of the federal assembly and so on. they recognize and the position is clear, it has been voiced that the de-occupation of ukrainian territories will continue regardless of any russian plans there, but that putin will use it with threats, in particular, of nuclear weapons and, er, to send these signals of the west to the europeans. i would even say not that there as a united state,

and the eu countries as separate ones, first of all, so that they raise the mood more and more inside their countries that maybe it is necessary to somehow sit down with putin to negotiate. i think so, and the scenario with the fact that he will be in limbo keep these territory until the moment there threatening annexation. i think he is still here in this situation, the speaker of the state duma of the russian federation is less likely to say that voting in so -called referendums will save people from genocide and that the tasks of a special military operation will be fulfilled . the lives of millions of people from genocides, in the case of further decisions, they will already be silenced by russian laws, we will

reunite because the dance justice that happened more than 30 years ago must be volodya said that the injustice that happened 30 years ago must be corrected, that is, he considers it unfair that ukraine gained independence, that the soviet union collapsed, well, if this is the way to manage his logic is that injustice was there in the 45th year or during the first world war and at any time when the structure of the world actually changed, but in this situation it is interesting what will be the reaction of the world in general, because everyone says that we

will not recognize this, well, actually, the world does not recognize the annexation of crimea, and it is clear that then it happened under different conditions, now vladimir putin, who has been faithfully noted, is threatening nuclear weapons, although nuclear weapons were from the very beginning as a weapon of deterrence , and not as a weapon that will need to be attacked there, the kremlin's concept is quite simple, they legalize these pseudo-referendums, the results of which these territories join the russian federation, and then it is not a special military operation there counter-terrorist or how did they conduct a counter-terrorist operation there in chechnya or is there already a war there already in russia of ukraine? because ukraine wants to take away russian territories in quotation marks, russian territories have fled. look at this development of events, because there are no constant reminders of that.

the funny deputy chairman of the security council of the russian federation, dmitry medvedev, about nuclear weapons, it just looks like this, well, it's funny that some half-alcoholic and half-politician , half-president of russia, is trying to do something to speak there, but, well, through his mouth, real plans are voiced that putin himself can implement, or will putin dare to use nuclear weapons after these occupied regions gain status in the russian state duma, first of all, yes, ironically, you know, half-politician and half-president, i agree no. i agree that i only drank alcohol, i think that without half yes, but as for the situation in general, you know that listening to volodin about this injustice, they would

not play so much stories because they so the impression is that they read only those sections that are interesting to them, and they miss a lot of things, and this actually leads them to fatal mistakes, to which they themselves bring putin, his whole regime, why because to me for example, if we are already talking about history, the situation e with a large mobilization in russia gives the first world war and the consequences that it ended with for the then russian empire, the positions mobilized as a result returned, came and what they did i think that everyone remembers this from history from 1917-18 therefore, let them not yet talk about justice or injustice because they can still face quite devastating consequences for themselves. as for nuclear weapons, the situation looks as follows. i think that in this context, we should proceed not simply from whether putin can use tactical nuclear weapons, but

to proceed from the fact that how to act in case he does decide to do it, and here we need to go further, the logic of events in our country leads to the following , first of all, as a rule, strikes with tactical nuclear weapons their strikes are preceded by exercises with the determination of the targets of the positions of the carriers of these weapons, which can be used in the warheads themselves, respectively, and russia conducted such exercises in previous years exclusively in kaliningrad, either in kaliningrad or together with belarus, but here is the peculiarity that in kaliningrad e preliminary training in the use of nuclear weapons was done so long ago in may of this year, they took place about it and the authoritative german publication spiegel wrote there is another thing. where can russia not keep tactical nuclear weapons because we understand that you need a special

temperature storage regime, etc. and so on. the only facility is located in the occupied part of ukraine. this can be done. this is crimea. feodosia 13, which, according to information from various sources, russia began to restore in 2015, respectively, what does this mean for us? and by the way, please note that general hodge previously said that it would be necessary to destroy the russian bases in crimea polish navy general wesley clark is also a respectable person who, back in march-april, said that we should be ready to destroy objects in crimea and the kaliningrad region, and even the united states ambassador to ukraine maria ivanovych said in an interview this week in the voice of america, she noted that ukraine should be given

long-range weapons that would make it possible to destroy russian military facilities, in particular in the occupied crimea, what does this mean that ukraine should have the ability to prevent and preventive functions in order to prevent russia from using tactical nuclear weapons or to minimize any consequences of such use in what way, the first thing is that there must be weapons in order to be able to destroy the objects and military depots of the enemy, in particular in the occupied crimea, and says the second is the means of air defense that make it possible to hit these two directions tracks - this is the help of our partners introduced intelligence observations and constant information support regarding the movement of e-e of russian nuclear weapons, potential carriers how it can use all the weapons, and so on. this is

what needs to be worked on and what needs to be strengthened . ideas of war and i think that only unity, consolidation of the west around the support of ukraine and the sending of clear signals to the kremlin that the consequences, as the president of the us president's administration said, will be catastrophic, and this can be the best deterrent, because uh, reject it 100% the risks of using such weapons. i think that it is not possible. yesterday i spoke with the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, valeriya mchala. he says that if this nuclear balance in the world is disturbed when there are five

countries of the old states that have nuclear weapons, what was this nuclear weapon as a weapon of deterrence if suddenly russia releases this genie from the bottle, then there will be 20 such states in the world after that and there will be no overflow, including the russian federation , because it will also be under attack what do you think did washington give enough warnings in private conversations with moscow in order to prevent a nuclear strike by the russian army on the territory of ukraine? well, you know, i admit that there were really many such private conversations , because the issue is serious and i think that through the relevant channels, which are non-public information , was also transmitted when the consequences were destroyed. well,

besides, in addition to such warnings and signals, it is quite important to demonstrate with your actions, with your actions, your readiness for possible actions in response one of the indicators that are, do you remember lukashenko complained that nato planes fly there around belarus, around kaliningrad and so on. well, of course they will fly because they also demonstrate their readiness to take action in the event of something and also conduct intelligence because russia threatens with nuclear weapons or, for example, statements or with clear messages like this, even as general hodges did, where there are possible actions that can be applied. they are also important. well, you know, sometimes you don’t even need to specify what can be done, but to do it in such a way that this signal was received by the enemy so that he understood that it

could be done. that's what i mean, i 'll draw an analogy, remember in march, we all had a premonition of the terrible threat that russia could use another weapon of mass the destruction of chemical weapons, and then there was a meeting of nato in brussels, and the president of the united states came there, and he made a clear message that if russia uses such weapons, it will face devastating consequences for itself. well, we we see that, in principle, it was then possible to avert this threat, and this weapon was not used, there were some signals that it could be used, that some remnants were found somewhere, but it did not lead to the death of the civilian population, the board had serious consequences and i think that even now it is sometimes possible to convey in such a way that it is clear. for example, i would like you to know what was

missing after these ultimatums of putin. personally, as a citizen, i would like to hear such and such statements from perhaps president biden or what did his administration do regarding taiwan? is there a clear and understandable statement that the us will defend taiwan or such a statement as the chinese leader silzenpin made regarding kazakhstan that china will defend kazakhstan roughly like this, it seems to me that these are also clear messages that make a lot of things clear, even more so if earlier the usa or nato avoided any attempts there they are now emerging to be called a party to the conflict so what is the point of avoiding if putin called them a party to the conflict a long time ago, he also called them as such they are fighting for their version with a collective action with nato, what is there to be afraid of in such a case, in fact, well, by the way, the secretary of state

of the united states of america announced that ukraine can use western weapons in the regions where the russian federation held so-called referendums, the united states is not against ukraine used such weapons and hmm what did he say we so many other states were already clear and many other states were already clear we do not recognize and not really we will never recognize the annexation of ukrainian territories by russia ukraine has the absolute right to defend oneself on one's territory, in particular, to regain the territory that was illegally captured by russia, including in another way, including thanks to the weapons that are now arriving in ukraine, and the united states of america is preparing another package of e-e financial assistance, military-financial assistance in relation to will this save ukraine? let's put it this way, the current situation, because it is clear that there is

a mobilization of one million russians, who are apparently lying there, roughly speaking, corpses in kherson in donetsk, luhansk, and zaporizhzhia regions , they are just bodies there, they are not barricades there, or will they build walls? in this situation, in your opinion, the tactics of the ukrainian state regarding the reconquest of the territory should change, and i think that, in principle, the plans implemented by our command. i think that they will be implemented in the future, what we will get, do you understand something, the question is that war is already the language of physical support, and it is the language of resources. today, the ukrainian phone looks more reliable than the russian one and it is obvious. well, why? well, because we have financial support, there is support for weapons, the russian military-industrial complex, with all its

efforts, it cannot cope, in particular, due to sanctions and a lack of resources, with the tasks that are set before them, respectively, our advantage with the help of our partners in the range of weapons in terms of e, let’s not even say long-range, but in manufacturability, in the effectiveness of its e-e, in the destructiveness of strikes on enemy bases, in the ability to effectively use all the e-e of western weapons at once, which are supplied to us and continue to be supplied well, plus, to everything, we can say that our actions, which were demonstrated and we all saw in such counteroffensive operations, which, as in the kharkiv region, testify to how effectively it is possible to approach the planning of the organization of the execution of these tasks, which is fundamentally related to how it should change i do not think that it will undergo any fundamental changes, it is of course more at the

discretion of our command, which makes the appropriate decisions, but what do i think that as a result, they will simply cover people with bodies and so further, it seems to me, this will only lead to greater demoralization of the russian troops and russian forces and to the disruption of the mobilization processes in russia. well, because if before that we saw cases when they surrendered to or fled under the pressure of the ukrainian troops, then people who go to the prepared a it's obvious that they neglect their training there and literally a few days after the draft they were going to be mobilized, they are immediately abandoned. well , yesterday in the kharkiv region, a mobilized man was detained from near moscow who said that his were mobilized on september 21 and he was already there in less than a week in the kharkiv region. that is, this is evidence that the quality of the training of these people will be at an extremely low level

. i don't think that ukraine will somehow change its approaches or will change its intentions, goals and objectives. you mean the de-occupation of ukrainian territory. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation. this was oleksandr musienko, the director of the military legal center research, we talked with mr. oleksandr about the situation in ukraine surrounding the holding of so-called referendums, you know that on september 27, moscow announced the completion of these referendums in the occupied territories of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions, now moscow is happy that they are almost 100% drew the number eh in these pseudo-referendums. well, of course they are preparing