where at the krainiv level there will be many of them. unfortunately, it must be said that they will fight there to the last citizen of the russian federation, but in principle, i do not think that ukraine will somehow globally change its approaches or will change its intentions, goals and objectives. you have exactly the de-occupation of ukrainian territory. thank you mr. oleksandr, thank you for the conversation. it was oleksandr musienko, the director of the center for military legal studies. we talked with mr. oleksandr about the situation in ukraine surrounding the holding of the so-called referendums. you know what? on september 27, moscow announced the end of these pre-referendums in the occupied territories of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions, now moscow is happy that they almost 100% drew the number eh in these pseudo-referendums . well, of course, they are preparing for eh that the state

the institutions of russia er, simply put, putin 's institutions will now somehow legalize the status of these er territories that are under occupation, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as in social networks on on youtube and on facebook for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook i invite you friends to like this video and subscribe to our social networks if you are watching us now on youtube we have a new function uh there is a sponsor button you can join to become a mini -sponsor of e-e youtube channel and our programs that we do on the network, you just need to click literally twice on the sponsors button and choose a sponsorship package e.e. your support supports us

forgive the tautology and your support for us it is very important to be in touch with us, yevhen mach, executive director of the institute of world politics, yevhen good day, good health to you, thank you for joining our conversation, congratulations, mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, mr. yevgeny, oleksandr musienko and i have already started talking about the pseudo -relations of the pseudo-referendum in the occupied territories of ukraine, in the occupied donetsk region, luhansk region, kherson region, and zaporizhzhia, and the question is quite simple in this situation, er, putin will go er, quickly and all the way to legalization in russian the legislation of the occupied territories and will annex them, well, literally in the next few days, because we heard that putin is going to do this, the

state duma will also, uh, consider this issue with the federal assembly of the russian federation, or will he continue to blackmail the west so that he may join or not well, first of all, the tedium, which can be called a feiko orendum, by and large, it has nothing to do with the law or the affairs of the nation for self-determination. my good friend andriy magera showed the world about a new discovery about the kherson

people , well, you understand. internal use for the use of the kremlin in order to show the world that there are such opportunities, you know, as putin said, to return the historical lands of novorossiya, this is currently the latest version that i see. the thing is that russia does not fully control any of the regions where the so-called referendum took place, none including luhansk , and moreover, at the moment there is a real threat over it that ukraine will regain control over a number of settlements in donbas, this is a real absolute situation, that is, uh, these territories will be so or not otherwise, reminding of shagreen leather is

russia, a good understanding, so from here we are talking about the threat of using nuclear weapons, etc., an interesting signal is that putin uh well, we understand that in russia nothing is done without putin at the top there is no rush, so to speak, in the process of the accession of the new, so to speak, russian lands to russia and the corresponding meetings of the state duma and the federation council, that is, the meetings of the federal assembly will be held on the third and fourth of october here at the beginning of next week maybe in this way they want to give putin a gift for his seventieth birthday and do not want to drag out the process for a long time, i don’t know, but rather i

assume that it is a certain political bargain. i think we understand that in regions where there are no voter lists, where there are no legal grounds for uh to hold it. well, there really aren’t any, and by the way, andrii magera has already mentioned this once. we don’t have the practice of such local referenda. we have similar decisions. - the verkhovna rada should carry out, especially in conditions of war, in conditions of martial law, a local local referendum, well, it’s simple, it’s simply one hundred percent delusion, therefore, from a legal point of view, it should not be taken into account, russia is exercising the right of a strong russia feudalism is returning to the world and not only in this.

please note that against the background of the announcement of these referendums, putin announced limited mobilization, which will be limited only by the appetites of the russian military elite, and after the announcement of the mobilization, none other than putin's foot soldier, mr. kadyrov, said that there will be no mobilization in chechnya, we are already planning on mobilization overachieved, who in the kremlin did not utter a single word of sand, did not open his mouth, you understand that this is in fact a new feudalism, when you succumbed, you can say to your cheerful one, did you go there or something? i have at the moment, the problem is within the republic due to significant losses and i cannot do this in dagestan, the situation is of a slightly different nature, there are other speeches, but the fact remains the fact, that is, russia has now opened

pandora's box very actively, and it is not that she just opened it its content is raked into two hands , and therefore, against this background, i think that russia continues to maneuver. in what sense does it want to do , it wants this situation, i would say to delay a little and now try to blackmail the west understanding that the west nervously perceives the prospect of using nuclear weapons to try to say that russia will act aggressively in the event of which and try to put pressure on the west against this background so that the west in turn pressures ukraine and forces ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table in the current autumn unfavorable for hostilities

active time, russia needs a respite, this is an absolutely obvious reality and a respite in various issues that currently exist, both human and logistical filling and the actual search for the latest technologies in the conditions of sanctions, that is, russia needs a respite in this war, which the whole world has already seen, is not a special military operation, is not a blitzkrieg, which is a serious challenge for russia, which is destroying russia and destroying russia from the inside, therefore there will be mutually exclusive statements, but it means that putin gave up the idea of ​​destroying ukraine, at best he understood that it could not happen in three days. well, yevgeny, while we are talking

, information has appeared that the united states of america has called on its citizens to leave immediately russia. we remember that there were such calls before february 24, when washington warned its citizens that it was dangerous to stay in ukraine. obviously, they already knew exactly when russia would strike ukraine. we remember how diplomats left kyiv to lviv and then from lviv. they also went to spend the night in poland, here are the states and the americans in general, they are a marker in this war because it is very important to just observe this, it seems to me that in ukraine they slightly underestimated all these warnings by biden about a possible attack that the united states of america calls on its citizens to immediately leave russia, does it not mean that the russians have already made some decisions for themselves regarding the use of heavier chemical or

nuclear weapons against ukraine, the use of even chemical or even nuclear weapons - this will be a process, a precedent that will change the entire picture of international life changing the route forever, regardless of the power of the weapon that will be used, that is, chemical weapons, its use as well as bacteriological - this is prohibited by various international conventions, and here, well, i have cautiously, there will be no optimism about this. well, how to say the use of combat poisonous substances - this is uh, for a significant development of events - this is an obvious war crime, it is clear that russia has already committed a

lot of them and it would seem that one more one less is of fundamental importance, but i don't think that the meaning is all about the use of nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, because an intercontinental ballistic missile is not suitable for the impression of the territory of ukraine, but the prospects for the use of nuclear weapons are it is extremely unpleasant, but it is an element of psychological pressure. first of all, i would like to remind you that in wartime nuclear weapons were used only in 1945 by the united states against japan. they were used in order to gain an advantage specifically on the battlefield as accordingly, to break japan's will to resist, and this is to a large extent

the use of nuclear weapons . regarding the fact that even the use of nuclear weapons is ukraine's desire to resist changes, and i think that we should push back from this position . we should also understand that the president will not speak well, well, in any phrase, i mean the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi that he will not utter phrases that russia may consider as a provocation for the use of nuclear weapons, this must also be realized because a

dangerous maniac is working against us who, well, practically i would say there are no rational restrictions although on the other hand many western politicians for today, in fact , angela merkel said that putin's threats should be treated rationally and they should be evaluated as, well, such things are really serious, i will quote her, yevgeny, i actually wanted to ask about merkel gave an interview to judo cheyton and the former chancellor said that you should take his words seriously , take his words seriously , don't dismiss them as a bluff, and taking them seriously is in no way a sign of weakness, a sign of political wisdom that helps to preserve room for maneuver or, just

as importantly, even to develop a new one, well, it means space, so definitely, well, the position in the middle of europe. it is, i would say, difficult, that is, it is no secret that a number of european politicians seek reconciliation as soon as possible, and putin is targeting them by threatening to use nuclear merkel's weapon force for a long time was putin's visa , and well, they also throw at her the construction of the second northern stream, at least, and other actions that, uh, exist at the moment, but she already a former chancellor, now all the completeness of decisions still rests on the current chancellor, despite the fact that olaf schulz has been diagnosed with epilepsy and is accordingly

limited in communication with his subordinates, his colleagues, etc., that is, putin is trying to use nuclear blackmail not only against ukraine , here it is worth recalling the words of mr. shoigu last week about the fact that nato is fighting against russia and, accordingly, i think this will be a thesis that will also be heard in well, so to speak, in russian circulation that we are fighting against nato, well, definitely. they cannot say that they the ukrainian armies will lose, because for the russians it will be a complete collapse. moreover, for those people who are subject to mobilization, we know that they are unclean and full. since september 21 of this year, mobilization has been announced in russia for the third time in the last 108 years. the first time was in 1914, before the first world war. mykola ii e-e

mobilized citizens, we know how it all ended well, during the second world war, which in the soviet union was called the great patriotic war, on june 3, 1941, at the same time, at the same time, many people in russia are fleeing from mobilization, a blogger from kazakhstan for example, he asked fugitives from mobilization from russia difficult questions in quotation marks: crimea or donbas, and whose pavlodar will we listen to the answers,

we, we, just say no to ukraine, yes, that is, luhansk , too. say, it's possible, it's possible, it's possible , the ruler never said kazavskaya land yes, why is that only, yes, and russian propagandists are already talking about the fact that the ministry of defense will not

catch fugitives from skabeev's mobilization there i just howled on the air about the mobile military commissariat about those who are fleeing, let's also look at skabeeva, it became known сегодня есть же the public who is running. e border in the direction of georgia at the border crossing lars will open the mobile military enlistment office in the near future well, it is so simple to understand for those who really want to go somewhere from kazakhstan the message is, first of all, in the near future, the planet will hold talks with russian president putin, so today he said early in the morning, a huge number of people have arrived in kazakhstan in the past few days, so the ministry of internal affairs reports that if a citizen is subject to mobilization, it will be announced in

search in the russian federation federation of kazakhstan will immediately send mr. evgeny to his home, how can mobilization change the map of russia itself, considering the speeches in dagestan? well, i think that in the caucasus there, if i'm not mistaken, about 25 million people live who are territorially included in the russian federation, in this case it looks like a tool ,

but you mentioned the actions of nicholas ii before the first world war, that is, putin acts as a tool of the beginning of the 20th century in the conditions of the largest war of the 21st century, a high-tech war. it doesn't work to level anything. well, it doesn't work, and the word heimers is for the russian mobs. it will be important. the mobs lived so that they were raped. chechens, well, this is some new form of combat brotherhood , if i honestly said before, no, then you can get an idea of ​​the situation inside the so-called allied forces. you know what russia says about the allied forces of russia, the dpr and the lpr, well, this is a known fact. now, about the questions that i think our viewers are also worried about whether russia will declare war on ukraine. i think no, and the answer to this question is very simple. why

, because by declaring war on ukraine, russia recognizes the subject equality of russians, we can only be declared equal to the state, therefore ukraine accordingly, it did not declare war on the so-called dpr and lpr, because in this way it would actually be recognition of these self-proclaimed republics, and therefore russia, in any case, throws out information that a counter-terrorist operation will be announced literally at the beginning of october after, well simulating the incorporation of new lands into the russian federation, how will mobilization change, mobilization will change the russian federation to the extent that coffins or bags from ukraine

with dead soldiers will arrive in different having announced the mobilization, putin actually started a countdown to his stay in power, because on the one hand it will be people who will go through this war and see what the russian army is like from the inside, and on the other hand it will be the families of the killed russian soldiers, well, it is absolutely clear that they are here is waiting and while russia is gathering people for a small war with ukraine in finland, it can build a fence in the south-eastern part of the border with russia within two to three years, finnish border guards inform e-e department

plans to protect only 10-20% of the border with a length of 1300 km. in this way, the length of the fence will be from 130 to 200-60 km. for eight years now, we have been thinking about what to do with the large border that we have from russia, which from belarus, which is under the control of the russian federation. you are a supporter of the fact that there should be some kind of big fence, which arseniy yatsenyuk once tried to build, as far as i remember, and how can i protect myself when you are surrounded by two sides, north and east, and we have half a day with the annexed crimea well, simple obsessed neighbors and a supporter, i will tell you something else about it now, but i will mention another interesting fact that i saw literally yesterday, there are only two

parliaments left to ratify the agreement on the accession of finland and sweden to nato on joining, these are the parliaments of turkey and hungary, perhaps the most difficult parliaments, but the leadership of both of these countries of these countries has demonstrated its own capacity for bargaining, and this is important in my opinion. well, maybe because, you know, when people start bargaining, they already demonstrate a willingness to give up their own position this is not a secret for anyone, it is one time, two, uh, i think that this means that from the finnish border to putin's hometown is 70 km. this is a very serious psychological challenge for putin and for his entire network and for medvedev himself, who issues such messages there aggressive, as if he himself is sitting in a trench somewhere under a bacchus although he is sitting somewhere in the kremlin cabinet and he is a politician

, there is nothing here now yevhen's company is under a bacchus he is just sitting well, being under a bacchus is more natural for him than under a bacchus is absolutely apt a now about what kind of fence i am for, i am not for the fence. i am for the dismantling of russia as such, because we must understand that even the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine will not stop russia, that is, if ukraine restores its territory, even if and when ukraine restores its territorial integrity , it will go to the border at 91 of the year recognized by the whole world in russia will begin, all the more so against the background of mobilization, a wave of revanchism will begin, and such a wave that adolf hitler on this wave will appear to be just a child from the sandbox because he did not have he didn't have such a powerful television, he didn't have computer networks. and that's why i'm in favor of the russian federation being dismantled, dismantled and

divided into tens of dozens of different countries. this is a completely realistic scenario and our western partners should be realistically aware of it . thank you, mr. yevgeny, for the conversation in on our broadcast it was evgeny magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. i wish you good health and all the best. evgeny, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as in our social networks join our social networks subscribe to youtube on facebook if you are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video so that it can be promoted in youtube trends. well, you can become a sponsor of our youtube channel of our work, there is a button under this video you can sponsor go there and choose one of the three options in order to support us

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