she is built differently, really. and there, the load is still pushed to the senior school, when the child has already physically and psychologically strengthened, when she , in principle, already understands that she wants to study in depth, so uh, until the ninth grade , more time is devoted to the extraneous balanced development of the child. the load is already given when this personality is already more formed and ready to withstand it, and that's what it really is. sometimes it is difficult to explain to parents . childhood there 30 or 40 years ago, and the world has changed and everything, including pedagogical technologies, have moved forward, so of course i will repeat it once again, if the child wants , let him do everything he wants, even study in two schools, if not, please let him feel his success there she is now forced to stay

. while you are there, well, that's it. freedom is only partial freedom, give the child the opportunity to choose so that he feels his success, because if you forcefully demand to study in two schools, the child will not be successful either there or there, mrs. ivan. and we know how many children we have in general. the ministry of education gave a figure for teachers. 3.5 thousand have returned to ukraine now. is it even possible to make such statistics somehow ? how many children do we have or count those who are abroad and how this migration has already affected look at our education system, there are several numbers, there are numbers that were given by the ministry of education. if i am not mistaken, 3.5 million children are enrolled in ukrainian schools, in principle, there is such a thing

as a report one out of two, it is submitted flock and 20 in other words, somewhere in the near future we will receive these new figures. why are they in the ministry because , again, the subvention for the budget for the next year is calculated based on these figures. war because 6-7 years ago we had a certain demographic gap , so it was predicted that these years there would be fewer first-graders and fewer children, and on the other hand, there is a figure published by the european union that on september 1, 504 sat down at the desks in the european union if i am not mistaken, there are thousands of ukrainian children without taking into account great britain, the usa, canada and other countries that are not part of the european union . 500,000 children are what we know for sure in the european education system. they are currently studying in european schools. what can this situation

indicate ? everything indicates that the majority of ukrainian parents did not collect documents from their ukrainian schools, this means that they do not want to sever ties with ukraine, and now there is a law that should force them to collect documents there. unfortunately, there are various stories when certain schools require parents to write there for family or distance education or another education formula. there are many options. you can read it on the page of the educational bootsman and also on the e-e website of the state education quality service. there are good explanations for parents to act in one or another situation, but the fact remains that the children, not the parents, do not take the children's documents from ukrainian schools, this means that they do not reject the opportunity to return to ukraine of course, it will depend on the security situation first of all but again, it will also depend on the conditions that will be offered to these children. i campaigned for so long in the previous answer not to burden children, but there is definitely a ukrainian language component,

ukrainian language, literature, history of ukraine, which, of course, children do not study in those schools, and it is good when the child is mastered already in she will feel more or less confident about her school and may ask herself or her parents will offer it. i consider it a good option in the saturday or evening format, after all, to give an opportunity to study for a child to learn the ukrainian language, literature, the history of ukraine and communication with ukrainian peers. but again, the ministry of education and science, one of the two only tasks of which is the content of education, should develop such a course that is convenient and simple without everything superfluous, because unfortunately our programs are very, very overloaded and it is clear that when we talk about children who are fully educated in other school systems, only the most basic things need to be done for them, which an educated person cannot do without in order to once again

when this child returns to ukraine, she knew the basic things and even if there is a need to improve something , it would be necessary to improve on the basis of what she has already learned in this simplified version that should have been developed, unfortunately, it has not been developed, moreover, our website, a new ukrainian school, sent i asked the ministry of education and science whether such special programs with a ukrainian studies component are being developed for children studying abroad and received a lengthy answer without any specifics. what are you looking for? there is a platform in a public organization and they are doing something. then look for something there, you will find something, well, you can learn something somewhere, this letter looked something like this . that is, there is not a single word about the fact that the ministry of education and science, whose duty is to develop the content of education, is doing at least something in this direction, mrs. ivan well, that is why we invited you in particular. thank you for the practical advice for parents and for this conversation. ivanna kobernyk was with us, she is

the founder of the public organization smart education. of the minister of education and science in that year in the 16th year, mrs. inno, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you, i wanted to discuss two topics with you, the first is the safety of the educational process in our country, it has been going on for a month, the new academic year and money, let's start with safety. you wrote in particular that out of 13,000 schools, three and a half of us only study live normally and three,900 work in a mixed format, the rest are online , we understand that with shelters because the ministry of education called us the number 41, about half of the percent of schools there have shelters, but well, in reality, there is such information in the association of cities of ukraine, they say that there are about 11 of the real

shelters according to the standards and the rest are some basements or something similar to shelters . now in ukraine, it is true that we have a small part of schools that study completely offline, but a large part. also add to this that there are those who study partly online and partly offline, what does this mean, for example, there are certain parallels that are studied online and certain parallels they study in the classrooms like this. or they alternate for weeks, and this is also related to the issue of shelters, because it means that, most likely, these schools did not have moles of sufficient size so that all the children who study in this school could be there at the same time to be accommodated in case if there is often an air alarm , that is, this is a mixed issue, it is also to a large extent and not 100%, but to a large extent is also related to the shelter. and indeed, he reports rather

optimistic figures that there is barely not half of ukrainian schools have shelters, but the problem is with what we actually define as a shelter, because you can say that any school has some kind of basement, so if there is an entrance to it, it is cleared, children can go down and fit in there formal signs, and if the emergency department measured the thickness of the walls and determined that it can protect against blows of a certain level of severity, then in principle it will protect children from blows. we understand that when it comes to children who are there without parents, especially small children, fathers for them need to take care not only of physical protection , of safety issues. yes, but to ensure that staying in this room does not cause them additional psychological trauma, and here i am when i look at part of the photo from shelters i

understand very well the parents who looked at such shelters and said that it would be too traumatic for their children. we do not want the child to be there. anxiety per day, and that is, here is the key question. and what do we define as the presence of a shelter, just physically, the walls, or the space actually arranged for children to stay? well, what if we define it? well, of course, we need to talk about the safety of children , including psychologically. yes, we deliberately wrote it into the law on a safe educational environment, which includes psychological safety, and look at some of the premises that are now called shelters. well, we definitely cannot say that they are psychological i will guarantee safety for the children. but i am already silent about such a different level of complexity, such as the presence of

a toilet in the shelter. with kiev, who bought a bucket . i apologize in order to solve the real issues in the shelters. do you understand it? well , it’s like this. and you understand that there won't be a sheltered banal restroom, so if the child wants to, i don't know, to wash his hands there, even a minimal one, but she'll be scared, she'll pay something else, there's nothing there, and of course it can't be qualified. to stay for a really long time well, that's why the problems here are quite serious, there were many parents when there were surveys in chat rooms and questionnaires were filled out by many parents, it was as if they said no, let's go, go out, study, it's okay, not online, because it's not someone's business it’s just no one to leave the child at home, there are no

conditions, or there are no gadgets, again, in the villages, you are also a mother. how do you feel about these initiatives ? let’s study, see. my son goes to school offline. he is happy about it. he is happy about it. believe me, on september 1, he blew himself up at 6 in the morning, he ran and woke me up with the words, mom, we have to go to school, let's get ready, he was collected an hour before the start of class, and in an hour we had to go not far to school, obviously much earlier than it should have been, simply because he was so happy to return to the team, let him be very upset when he realized that a quarter of the children in his class were left, but such are the realities there, that is, i, as a mother and as a teacher, am convinced that of course, online education does not replace offline education, especially for certain categories, it is children of elementary school. my son is in the fourth grade . his first three years of study were every year

during the period when he went offline. but this is , of course, what happens to the quality of children 's education, and he has a gadget. he has the internet. he has a separate room where he can study, children who do not have the internet, do not have a gadget, do not have their own space for classes, parents who do not check what they are doing, instead of sitting on the internet, watching something, they have de facto lost all these years of education, you understand, and we need to recognize this and solve this problem with storage facilities, they somehow analyzed there are experiences of israel, well, it is obvious that the war will not end tomorrow and we have to somehow learn to live with it, there are two difficult components here, the first is to finance it, the second component is to find money actually, what does it mean to equip a storage facility? regarding the first question, i am absolutely sure that now it is absolutely impossible to hope that there will be budget money for this , there is some money laid down in the state budget for the next year, it is negligible, let's

not think that this money will solve the problem. more than 300,000 poorly trained russian soldiers can still force us to spend this money on defense as a result, because i am sure that here we need to work more actively with international partners and report to them the need to invest in shelters in ukrainian schools. if we have normal shelters, more ukrainian families will return to ukraine from abroad. they will not be a burden on their budgets, and it is obvious that they will work here for the economy of ukraine, so this is a very important investment and is many individual countries, organizations of individual people who say that we don't want to give money for weapons for various reasons, we recommend them now yes, but we are ready for humanitarian needs, so i am sure that there is no more important humanitarian need now than to set up these shelters and it is necessary to convey this at all meetings to all partners to all international colleagues to everyone,

individual parents can do this, contact individual communities, i don't know, organizations abroad, it is possible through i don't know sister cities, but that should be enough in theory the ministry of education and science in the first place well , here we skip this story in general because i do not believe that the negative reports did not do anything for three months of preparation for the academic year, i have no hope that they will take care of this. to wriggle out ourselves to admit that we must first of all rely on international money, the second question is actually good, we got the money, what should we do with these shelters, and here we actually have to look at how countries do it, where it was successful, for example, in israel, and israel lives with permanent the threat of strikes and their schools are adjusted for this, here are several elements that mean adjusting the first let's make this space multifunctional if our shelter is intended simply for children to be there for some time. well, these are somewhat stupid investments. well, of course, this is an investment in security, they are

worth it. but if we are already arranging the space, let's do something additional there, and a music class with which we will provide a room for sports, a meditation room for anything, it is also important that if we have already equipped the space let's use it not only during an air raid second what when it is again referring to the experience of israel that schools should be prepared for emergency situations do not hope that we have a nurse and in which case she will provide medical aid because suddenly something happened to the nurse so teachers here must also take courses in tactical medicine to be able to provide medical aid to children teachers must take courses on how to talk to children about what is happening because there is no such thing now talked to the teachers, well, they say well, how can we tell that we will talk about the war, we weren't taught, we weren't talked about in different families, different attitudes to it, etc. and so on. this cannot be. do you understand that this is unacceptable the situation, teachers need to be helped to work in these

difficult conditions, you said the magic word to get out of your own way in our program yes, it is called rescue, well, it is clear that yes , everything needs to be developed from the public sector to foreign donors, or to communities at the community level, they heard it from communities thank you for articulating it, and regarding the textbooks and textbooks for parents to print, what is the price? the question is, why did n't they print it for the fifth grade if we all have to fend for ourselves? you understand, i don't have everything blathering on every broadcast about the need to change the minister of education. well, i am such a baba-yaga who spends money against you. you understand, my colleagues from the monomajority come to me and say, inna, you know what scarlett has done, this is it, or it hasn't been done. you can tell me about it. say boys girls - it's your responsibility this scarlet it's your responsibility come out tell about it why do you think that only i should talk about it and about the

fifth grade we talked for three months of the summer about the disaster with the fifth grade what we need to print textbooks, you understand, and there the price of the issue was trivial compared to a bunch of other costs, you understand, it could be found in the state budget, and in the end international donors were ready to finance it, only it was necessary to start doing it in such a timely manner. who went to a ukrainian school in the fifth grade, now they study using electronic textbooks, it is not clear how it happens, you don't remember the question, look there , there, the numbers changed, uh, because uh, i'm leaving i won't say, but the numbers were changing in the direction of a very significant increase, partly it is justified because these on paper grew very much and partly not to the end. it is clear because ivanna kovarnyk wrote about it on her facebook page. we don’t need children for our streams. well, talk

to some incomprehensible offices there . parimatch, although the textbooks didn’t print what is needed. well, this is a separate issue. we will continue to fight with the minister. kobernyk said that judging by the previous figures, we still have about 200,000 fewer children than last year, well, this is not only due to migration , but also to the decline in the birth rate in certain years. and this means that community subsidies will be smaller, because they are calculated from well, per child per child. yes, less money for education in communities . and what to do, close schools, fire teachers, how communities will solve all these issues. well, okay, millions for storage, they won’t find it, you need to look for donors, but educational subsidies too will decrease, look at the educational subsidy will decrease, and this is the truth that i would like everyone to broadcast from the screens. i would like to say, like many populist politicians, that everything should be left as it is

, salaries should be raised, it is impossible now, it was impossible before, but now in times of war when we have to send every penny we have to the front that's for sure it's impossible to do we need to return to the issue of the school network because a school in which 20 children study is first calculated per child secondly, the cost of education is very high, and this is the most important thing. these children receive a very poor education. look at the results of the external examination of children from rural areas, no matter what anyone tells me. education in schools is bad, you understand , there is no need to generalize here, there are different villages, different schools, uh, we had 200 children each, they also attended village schools, and i agree that there are villages where there are a few children or even

there are no children there, of course. the fewer children there are, the lower the level of education. and what to do. it should be some kind of boarding school, that is, one large school somewhere in the regional or district center and take children from the communities, as you see it, not to the regional center, but to the district level the center , or if the regional center is nearby, yes, that is, if there are villages around the regional center, then of course it is possible, and this is stipulated by law, that primary school , i.e., the first and fourth grades, should be as close as possible to the place where the child lives. well, because the first the fourth grade is really hard for children to drive, it's hard to get there and so on and so on, but from the fifth grade you have to go to a bigger school, it's good for socialization. it's good because the teacher who works with more children has a higher qualification simply because she has to work and with different situations. i am already silent about high school , about lyceums, which, as we promised, should offer a choice

of subjects, a choice of profile, etc. and so on. in the 10th grade, we need to have, i don't know, 100,100,150 people in the stream, not in the school, but in the year in the tenth grade, you understand, so that there is selectivity, and that's when we can talk about approaching some standards of western secondary education, these are not simple solutions, you know what schools will be closed, teachers will be fired, everything is gone well, in reality, we have such teachers, we have a budget, as of now, 30% of children graduate from school without knowing mathematics at the basic level, at the basic level, this means that they cannot double-digit numbers to multiply in the head, this is a real disaster, and let someone tell me what to say, but when a country does not know mathematics, then this country is doomed and we have to admit that the priority should be the quality of

children's education and not someone's private interests. i can sympathize with teachers who can to lose a job, but first of all, there is actually a migration of children, that is, jobs are actually appearing in the cities, and secondly, the education of these children should be a priority, if the children receive a bad education, there is no future in this country. yes but on the other hand, we are talking about the development of the community and to preserve the people there, and if there are no children, well, what kind of economic development and future can we talk about ? false therefore, no, it is false because there is no work, there is no village, if there is no work, if there is no economy, if the biggest thing is, the employer in the village is a school , then the village will not survive in any case because, well, the children will graduate and what will they do next

you understand. they will receive a bad education, they will stay in a village where there is no work. what do we offer them to stay in the village for the sake of staying in the village ? winter is upon us. and we have communities themselves. with the utility company , the education subsidy will also be less. by the way, if we work with the network, we will have to spend less on the utility company, and this is also a good argument. so why is it necessary to do something because now it is necessary if it is necessary to maintain three schools in each of which 50 children study, then count how much you can ze-, well, we understand that the school must be heated in any case for a certain amount, regardless of how many children are there. including on the issue of saving resources for the community, it is important to do this, and we must speak honestly about it. well, stop lying that everything can be left as it was, and because

we don't have money for everything as it was, first, second , we already know that it gives bad results, that's why to be honest about it, but we need to demand a change in the network in accordance with demographic changes, and well, we can’t talk about this. my mother studied at a school in the village . her parents worked there, including as teachers. when my mother studied at the school, they had two on the parallel classes of 30 children. currently, every school graduates from the ninth grade. this is the maximum number of five children there. well, this is just demographics that must be recognized, well, that is, it is just mathematics with which it is impossible to argue, you understand. therefore, we need to format a new network, this is the task now in fact, it is very important for the community and for the regions to reformation through education, but this should be initiated by the ministry of education, but it does not initiate. that is why it is necessary to start from the bottom, mrs. inna vocational education, what is there with her in the budget for this? not

so much, because our vocational and technical education has been financed from local budgets for several years , and it is also necessary to honestly admit that in terms of vocational and technical education, we cannot maintain the same network institutions of the vocational technical college that existed in the 90s, when there were twice as many students, and now it is, well, it is simply mathematically impossible, but the money is included in the draft budget, which has been published by the government, and now it is provided for, including funding from the state budget, and not only from local the sums there are of course insignificant, and as with education in general, it should be understood that the educational sphere is cut the most for the next year in absolute numbers. but these are sad realities that must be necessary in universities and schools, after all, there will be those that will be closed do you know which universities have a look at the

vocational and technical institutes, this is a question for the communities, and here the communities really have to work with what specialties are really needed now, where are the qualified personnel, where is the potential, so for growth in the universities , this is also a question precisely in the domain of the world, because it is it that manages the universities and here i will honestly tell you that er well, first of all, my education certainly does not use any dill in this direction except er minus from er optimized the network above in kharkiv er literally a few months before the start of the great war they united five universities, and there, in a strange way, the election was won by a deputy from the servant of the people faction, he was appointed rector despite the fact that he remained an active deputy, and that's why he wrote that he was doing something on a public basis there at his own expense appointed an acting officer, well, it's not so much a white thread, misha, i don't even want to go into the details of the story, but it's just so that you understand what minus

svitoza is doing instead of seriously approaching the reformatting of the network. we can't today when we have a million students, to have the same network of universities as in the early 2000s, when there were two million students, this is impossible, you understand, it is important for us, let's talk with you about the concrete steps that you now see, what needs to be done in education so that these decisions correspond to the real picture, well, step one do not lie and tell the whole truth, do not promise the impossible, talk about what can really be done, attract international money for shelter in schools, technical colleges, universities, this is primarily because no one will return there until there are reliable and safe, including psychological shelters, the third is to speak honestly about the network that it needs to be reduced because the military budget of anya. to be honest, even the pre-war

budget will not support this network, which is designed for a different number of pupils and students than we we have today, but it is very important in all this to fixate on the issue of quality, and that is, if we consolidate schools, who should stay there? those teachers who provide the best quality of education should work when we unite universities, then it should be an honest, clear, transparent competition, who stays there? the most qualified teachers should work for it. it doesn’t have to be the godmother of the rector and the minister’s girlfriend. it’s also important not to forget to look because otherwise. well, we don’t need consolidation for the sake of consolidation. we need consolidation for the sake of improving the quality of education that will be obtained. our children and students mrs. inno, i thank you very much for participating in our broadcast and pump, people's deputy of ukraine and first deputy minister of education and science 14-16 years old thank you for your hard work control there the government of the profile ministry

write we will read and er cover all these topics as much as possible because it is very important thank you for being with us this is a program that saved me by calling on valevsk stay with us we have great news about 17-year-old andrii kachanovsky who was kidnapped by the russians in mykolaiv oblast and was held for more than a month. the boy was released in captivity. he is already in freedom and lives with his parents. the woman barely holds back tears of joy and at the same time says that this time, while her son was in captivity, was the most difficult in her life. but who was not happy that the children came? this is simply not the right word. this is for me, i don't know, because they are like that, so is abbu. we talked with the older sister of andria,

she says that her brother is physically fine now, but psychologically, unfortunately, there are certain problems . you ask at least elementary jokes to laugh, you know that a person is cool to you at least a little bit from this when andrii was kidnapped by the russians, i told you about this story, i will remind you that a guy lived in the mykolaiv region in the village of bogoroditske and at the beginning of august, andrii together with his older brother just left home the russian military took them away, he only opened the door, he said, “mom, mom, where is your family, and i ’m talking, in general, we’re going to do nothing, it’s still too early, and that ’s all . they only had such a windbreaker, they took everything and everything and they took them and went into captivity. andriy has been beaten for over a month now. he is moving away from the shock, and that is why we did not communicate with him so as not to injure the boy once again