vika koroleva also turned up, but it is clear that this is only a version of her. vika can be anywhere in the village or even abroad, so i really ask for your help in the search and please look carefully at the photo of vika, she is 14 years old, 150-155 cm tall, a thin girl has long and fair hair and yet i would especially like to appeal to the residents of the temporarily occupied village of novoluhansk, it is clear that ukrainian tv is not broadcast in the occupation, but if you suddenly see this program on the internet, you at least know something about the fate of vika koroleva and you have the opportunity to call or go online, please contact us on our hotline at the short number 116 000 or you can write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram without exaggeration , even the smallest information can help us find the age of koroleva now most of the children who

are wanted are children who were lost due to the war in the occupation in places where hostilities are taking place or during evacuation, but at the same time, which was in the pre-war period and beyond. unfortunately , children disappear in particular in peaceful territories and because the reasons are not related to the war and a child can get lost at any time and anywhere, for example in a public place, so here are some important tips for parents, please explain to your child if he is lost there are many people, you need to stand still and wait for the parents will also return, the child should find adults with a child or an elderly woman among people and say that he is lost, but at the same time, in no case should you go anywhere with adults who offer to take the child to some other place, and the most important thing is not to the parents themselves panic ask the administration representatives if the child is lost in the institution to make an announcement over the loudspeaker, go through the places where you last saw the child, contact the police,

provide a photo and all the necessary information about the child, also contact our hotline at 116 000 and we will advise you in detail on how to act and that, first of all, it is necessary to do in such a situation, and of course i ask you to help us in the search for children who, unfortunately, are lost, and with your help we can find them on the website of the service search for children has a photo of all the boys and girls who have gone missing. go to the website of the service for searching for children. look carefully and maybe you recognize someone. maybe you know something about these children or where any of them may be. please call the short free number 116 from all mobile operators. 000 or write to the child search chatbot service in telegram events, the

most important events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but little is known that what is happening must be understood antin borkovskyi and invitation experts soberly assess the events analyze them modeling our near future that saturdays at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10 p.m. studio event with anton borkovskyi naspresso in attack and defense day and night desperately and confidently they pave the way with armor to our victory, tank troops, the pride of the armed forces of the ukrainian armed forces of the academic year in the conditions of the

war in ukraine and of course, the war affected the education system, many children and teachers went abroad, some were taken to russia in occupied territories, now the russians are also trying to implement their educational processes, what will happen to the schools in our communities, will they be closed or will the teachers be fired, in general, the online system, which we have corrected and tested before the war , during the covid, has already changed and affected the education system, we will talk about it all talk today, good day, my name is anna valevska, this is a self- government program, and be sure to share this broadcast so that as many people as possible can see us. our first guest is ivanna kobernyk rada congratulations, co-founder of the public organization smart-education, mrs. ivan, well, i congratulate you, i congratulate you. you were

actively involved in the reform of education, a new ukrainian school, its goal was just a comfortable environment, comfortable classes for children, these are new ceilings, parquet floors and classrooms. my child was just among the first children who went to a new ukrainian school and now we see how the russians are simply destroying not only classrooms . in general, all schools and we already have hundreds of destroyed educational institutions. why do you think that very often it is educational institutions that are hit, like you ? do you see this process or is it special? well, i'm glad that your child got into a new ukrainian school. and judging by your words, it's a positive learning experience in peacetime . it was only about the educational

space, good desk styles, and something else, this is a very big simplification, because the main goal, er, the main goal of the reform was to create an education system according to which every child will be able to reveal his natural qualities in the best way, to love learning with the goal of later realize herself in life, find what she likes to do, and really the task that was set in elementary school is to learn to learn and make the child love learning, accordingly, the educational space, individualization of education was only one of the components. and this is really very important , considering that this year the reform passed into the fifth grade, that is, those who were the first students of the new ukrainian school, they are fifth graders this year, and unfortunately, under the current leadership of the ministry of education, nothing has been done for that for the reform to continue, but this is another question, you asked why schools become objects, and yes,

of course, i am not a military expert, but what i can refer to are the opinions of military experts that i read. unfortunately, schools often become places where troops are stationed and obviously, including at certain stages, the russians probably thought that there were ukrainian troops there, but then what we are seeing now in connection with the attacks on critical infrastructure, on the energy infrastructure, on the absolute terror of the civilian population definitely these are all deliberate strikes in order to deprive ukrainians of a normal life, and this is in the opinion of the russians, perhaps they believe that this can motivate ukraine to give in to its interests or surrender, we all understand that of course this is not so , that is, their goal is simply to cause suffering to the local population and try to to make life seem unbearable ms. ivano, you said the goal was

to teach to learn or to create a comfortable environment so that children would like to learn, but what is it now, how many years of online education is it possible in such conditions after all, to make sure that children love and want to learn and can online education be considered full-fledged? this is a difficult question. that is, we understand that online online education and training is now a forced measure, it is not what is our dream, it is not what is a good way out. if there are other options available, but again this is a forced measure, unfortunately those researches that were carried out from abroad we were recently conducted , including in ukraine, show that online e- learning leads to a decrease in the quality of knowledge, a decrease unfortunately, the ukrainian center for evaluation of the quality of education recently

published the results of the monitoring of fourth- graders in 2021, and it should be noted that these were fourth-graders who were not covered by the reform of the new ukrainian school, these were children who entered the first grade in 2017, that is, they studied under the old standard because sometimes these results are mistakenly attributed to the new ukrainian school. this is categorically not the case. the children studied according to the old standard, and unfortunately, there is a decrease in the learning results compared to the e-e study of the two-year in ancient times, there was a decline in the quality of reading and results. in reading and in terms of mathematical knowledge, unfortunately, the children showed worse results, and without a doubt, this is primarily the effect of online learning. in which subjects did the children do er

worse in performing the tasks what types of reading or something about reading do they say what exactly is the problem so that the relevant pedagogical institutions develop measures to overcome these gaps and suggested to teachers how to work with children. to make up for the gaps created as a result of online education, well, this is the ministry of education, the profile does not have to deal with this. and if you saw now the arrangement of the organization of this process, to make it more effective, it is possible that there should be some kind of nationwide platform or maybe some other initiatives that would help to improve and improve all of this. in my opinion, exactly what i said should be developed by institutes of postgraduate education or other measures based on of the results of this research, a program should be developed where it should be written like this,

dear teachers, the students showed worse results on such and such topics, we offer you additional exercises, additional explanations, additional methods, how these topics can be explained and on which exercises to practice these eh the question is to understand that the ministry of education and science actually has only two functions in secondary education, two of them are the subvention formula of the educational subvention - this is how the salary of teachers, which is paid from of the state budget, and the large financial department in the ministry of education and science deals with this, and the second task is the content of education, that is , what we are talking about now, this is the content of education, and these are the only two tasks that, according to the law, the ministry should handle, but we see that it another vivid example is that there are no textbooks for the fifth grade, and they were not printed because there was a budget sequester in march 22nd, which was clear

, a war had started in us, the state urgently needed funds, but until september, the ministry of education and science did nothing to find money, at least for basic textbooks, about which we have a war, everything is very difficult , but this is the amount that was difficult to find both within the country and by working with international donors, explaining the importance of education, explaining that these children, there are no textbooks according to the new standard, neither old, nor bad, nor torn, nor of poor quality, because since the introduction of the reform in 2018, textbooks according to the new standard have been printed every year for the class that started to study, that is, in the 18th year, it was the first in the 19th, the second, respectively, in the 22nd year, this is the ninth grade , that is, for these children now there are only and there are some mythical mythical statements it's just that once they agreed

for the money of the european union to print a - and textbooks on mathematics and the ukrainian language but again, there were no messages, they were simply technically not printed because they were not highlighted. no one knew that the school year would start , so, well, obviously. it could be done as much as possible again, on time, if you do well. well, you saw that the ministry of education and science, as well as the ministry of defense, for example, called to find this money for uh, children for whom there are no textbooks. and here you need to understand that it is not enough that children must have all the textbooks, they must work with gadgets to understand that there are families where each child does not have his own gadget or it is only a phone, which is definitely not good for health if it is an inferior gadget with a large screen.

the population points closer to the contact line where there is no internet, that is, unfortunately, this is a very complex problem that will again lead to the strengthening of this inequality in education when not all children have normal, equal access to education, well, it essentially violates the basic law and this burden is additional on children significantly with these gadgets, mrs. ivano, you said that the reform is blamed for the decrease in the level of education, but it is not related to that, namely, to the online, but regarding the reform itself, you can name exactly the pluses which were made and recorded and which gave er strengthened the ability of education to survive these turbulent periods now. well, the ministry of education also published the results of the study after the first

graders . they are more self-confident, more motivated to study, and therefore want to go to school more. standard, they have better developed reading skills in the context that they read more consciously and can explain and discuss the text, that is, what is more needed in the 21st century, and again, that it showed that parents were also satisfied with the reform and supported it according to the research, both parents and children and teachers, i.e. it is definitely easier for teachers to work with motivated children who are more enthusiastic than

parents also encountered. they evaluated the reform more positively. there is also such an interesting phenomenon that the war has already opened, when many families moved to western ukraine there from the same kyiv from other big cities and went to local schools, and in small towns or villages they even wrote on social networks did you share with your friends that they just now understood what the new ukrainian school is, what is integration, what is the morning circle, what are cross-cutting themes, that it turns out that the child runs to school without coercion, he is not under pressure, the pace of learning, eh slower, slower in the sense of being more comfortable for the child when the skill is practiced , the knowledge is fixed, and not by galloping across europe, they run to some incomprehensible and unknown heights that are needed in elementary school, and it turned out that less means more, that when a child is thrown into elementary school, there is less load she

studies more. and this is a very interesting phenomenon, and again, the ministry of education could very well take these examples and talk to these teachers in chervonograd and ternopil regions in uzhhorod where did i actually see such stories described in great detail by parents, talk to these teachers , ask about their experience and spread it throughout ukraine, that is, how did these teachers manage to use, again, the standard of the new ukrainian school and the available resources that were in these small villages or small towns to create that paper and really implement the reform for the benefit of children. and how do you explain this phenomenon that in small communities there are such positive cases? maybe even in large ones in the cities, the parents did not see the children, first of all, the willingness of the teachers to learn, that is, those teachers about whom they say that after all, they are a strong teacher, they are used

to working with pressure and under pressure, putting children down , and so there is a certain part of children who achieve results under this method. well, in fact, these children are shown as for example, look at this medalist teacher, but at the same time, they do not talk about the others there, 90% of children who, being under pressure, get psychological problems and do not get the level of knowledge that they got at a different pace education and those teachers we are talking about. they first used the materials of the new ukrainian school, they rebuilt their education, that is, i was very impressed by one particular story when a mother or a child studies in kyiv in a prestigious gymnasium and said, "oh my god, this is the fourth year of the new ukrainian school " and only here in chervonograd did i understand what this integration is. i couldn't understand why they were talking about some kind of integration on tv. and we don't have anything at school, the usual subjects were the same as before, but here they saw that

indeed, the same topic goes through there during the week in the ukrainian language, for example air there or water there or some other topic there and right there and exercises in mathematics are connected with this topic on i explore the world the world bring water there do some experiments they research something, write it down, go to a stream, observe something there again, investigate and actually, in this way, through and through on the material of one topic, children study various phenomena, but they comprehensively understand why they should be taught this. a rule that you study in the ukrainian language with a detached feeling. and this is some concept that you will need in order to better understand the world around you, and of course, well, that is exactly what it is. that is, this teacher mastered this form of work and implemented it in life, again to the satisfaction of the children and to your satisfaction, because of course when you have motivated, calm

, interested children, it is easier for you to work than when you are forced to put pressure on them, so to speak, constantly squeezing out the result, which is not well known, well , in communities, people are still closer to teachers than people closer to each other, maybe this responsibility is felt more by teachers than in big cities, and ivan, but he showed us another point: we have many children and teachers. we went abroad and i observed such a picture that many parents were looking for online education here or left their children to study in a ukrainian school in parallel with a school abroad and they said that our education is compared to where they are in the dark about it. well, it is quite competitive and they do not want to leave it, what does this show, see i would here divided e-e, if we are talking about high school students , especially the ninth and 11th grades - these are the classes when

education documents are received, respectively. if parents plan to return to ukraine, then they need education documents . to get grades a-a, this is one option, the other option is when it is only the desire of the parents due to some of their inner fears that the child will fall terribly behind in the program and then not be able to study, the child will most likely fall behind in the ukrainian program here, not it is not necessary to deceive anyone because the programs differ in different countries, this is not some unique story, but in federal countries, for example, they differ significantly from state to state or, for example, in germany from federal land to federal land. that is, children there also face the problem that if the family moves there from conditional bavaria to berlin , it is difficult for her to study, this is a known problem, it happens, but is it a

disaster? a full day in a foreign language is definitely a significant cognitive load, and it's not just that your brain works twice as hard as the brains of children who sit next to you and learn their native language, and then you come home from school and not because you, the child, wanted to, because you are forced mother still has one more full-time working day, that is, such an overload is not a burden, you would not advise to put such a burden on children, of course, i would still advise if the child of course asks and really wants it, then refuse. no need. let them teach so much how much she wants, how much she asked for, and how much you can pay or give her for free, if you find such an opportunity, why not, but forcing a child without taking into account her physical and psychological state is a bad option, and here i am

more afraid that parents, individual parents, treat the psychological state and physical in this case, the state of the child with less attention or than the mythical lag in the ukrainian program, i will repeat again, it will be most likely, but it is not a catastrophe, that is, everywhere in the world, but families the children move, transfer to other schools, and so they have to catch up on something. and in some ways they will be ahead of the curve, and here is the question of what you called a competitive ukrainian school, and the ukrainian school is built in such a way that it provides a lot of solid knowledge, and therefore if you check solid knowledge , such as conditional formulas or there is knowledge of some topic in mathematics, the child looks more educated, uh, this is really true, but uh, again, education does not exist for the sake of education, it exists for the sake of the further result, so here we are, as they say a very strong mathematical education and children show

better results than in the same classes abroad , for some reason no one enters mathematics in our country, and physics is the same, and we have a shortage of technical specialties, for example in the same germany, where i would very much like to see parents continue to study according to the ukrainian program, because it is very, very easy for children in a german school, but in germany every year a hundred thousand e-e engineers graduate from universities and, accordingly, 100,000 or more enter engineering specialties, that is, it is difficult to on the basis of this information, it can be said that mathematics education in germany is inferior, it is really structured differently, and there the workload is still pushed to high school, when the child has already physically and psychologically strengthened, when she, in principle , already understands that she wants to study in depth, therefore, until the ninth grade the class devotes more time to the extraneous, balanced development of the child, and the

load is already given when this personality is already more formed and ready to withstand it, and that’s really it sometimes it’s hard to explain to parents it’s hard to explain that it is not entirely correct to expect that the child should have everything the same as it was in your childhood there 30 or 40 years ago and the world has changed and everything, including pedagogical technologies, have moved forward, so of course i will repeat once again that if the child wants , let him do everything even wants to study in two schools, if not, please let her feel her success, where she is now forced to be. while you find more freedom there, because well, it is so. it is not, well, not so much . so that she feels her success, because if you force her to study in two schools, the child will not be successful either there or there mrs. ivan and we know

how many children we have in general. is it possible to make such statistics in some way? how many children do we have or count those who are abroad? how has this migration already affected our education system? look, there are some numbers. there are numbers given by the ministry of education . if i am not mistaken, 3.5 million children. -is is registered in ukrainian schools, in principle, there is such a thing as a report, one out of two, it is submitted on september 5 and 20. that is, somewhere in the near future we will receive these new numbers. why are they in the ministry because , again, the subvention for of the budget for the next year. and this is 200 thousand less than last year, and the decrease in the number of children was

predicted even without the war, because 6-7 years ago we had a certain demographic gap, so it was predicted that in these years there will be fewer first-graders and fewer children. on the other hand there is the figure published by the european union on september 1. 504 sat down at the desks in the european union . if i am not mistaken, thousands of ukrainian children, that is without taking into account great britain, the united states, canada and other countries that are not part of the european union, 500,000 children - this is what we know for sure in the system of european education are now studying in european schools what can this situation indicate, it most likely indicates that the majority of ukrainian parents did not collect documents from their ukrainian schools, which means that they do not want sever ties with ukraine and now there is a law that should force them to take their documents there. unfortunately, there are various stories when certain schools demand

that parents write there for a family or distance or other formula of education. there are many options, you can read it on the page of the educational ombudsman, as well as on the website of the state education quality service, there are good explanations of how parents should act in this or that situation, but the fact remains that children, not parents, do not take children's documents from ukrainian schools, this means that they do not reject opportunities to return to ukraine of course it will depend on the security situation first of all but again it will also depend on the conditions that will be offered to these children . they study in those schools, and when the child gets used to it already in his school , he will feel more or less confident and maybe ask himself if his parents will offer him. i think a good option in the saturday or evening

format is still to give the child the opportunity to study the ukrainian language of literature, the history of ukraine and communication with ukrainian peers. but again, the ministry of education and science, one of the two only tasks of which is the content of education, should develop such a convenient course simple without anything extra, because unfortunately our programs are very, very overloaded and it is clear that when we are talking about children who are fully educated in another school system, only the most basic things must be done for them. get by an educated person so that once again, when this child returns to ukraine, she knows basic things and even if there is a need to tighten something up, it would be necessary to tighten up on the basis of what she has already learned in this simplified, which should have been developed, unfortunately, he not developed, moreover, our website new ukrainian school has sent a request to the ministry of

education and science whether such special programs with a ukrainian studies component are being developed for children who study abroad and have received extensive answer without any specifics. look, there is a platform in a public organization, they are doing something there, look for something there, you will find something, well, you can study something somewhere, this is how this letter looked. that is, there is not a single word about the fact that the ministry of education and science is whose duty it is to develop the content education is doing at least something in this direction mrs. ivan well, that is why we invited you in particular thank you for the practical advice for parents and for this conversation ivanna kobernyk was with us, she is the founder of the public organization smart education let's go further and add innusovson to the program of the people's deputy of ukraine, the first deputy minister of education and science in the 16th year, ms. inno, i congratulate you, congratulations, i'm glad to see you