and in a request to the ministry of education and science, are such special programs with a ukrainian studies component being developed for children studying abroad and received a lengthy answer without any specifics. what do you see? this is how the whole letter looked, then there is not a single word about the fact that the ministry of education and science, whose duty it is to develop the content of education, is doing at least something in this direction, mrs. ivan well and that is why we invited you in particular. thank you for the practical advice for parents and for this conversation . ivanna kobernyk was with us, the founder of the public organization smart education. we are going further and will add innusovson to the program. i congratulate you. i am glad to see you. i wanted to discuss two topics with you. the

first is the safety of the educational process. it has been going on for a month now. the new academic year and money. let's start with safety. you wrote in particular that with of our 13,000 schools, three and a half only teach live normally and three,900 work in a mixed format, the rest are online, we understand that with shelter because the ministry of education gave us the number 41, about half of the percent of schools there have shelter, but in reality, there is such information in the association of cities of ukraine, they say that there are 11 real shelters built according to standards, and the rest are some basements or something similar to shelters , what about the security of these schools that are currently studying not online, how safe is the educational process now in ukraine, it’s true that we have a small part of schools that study completely offline, but a large part

. also add to this that there are those who study partly online and partly offline, what does this mean, for example, there certain parallels are studied online and certain parallels are studied in classrooms yes or else alternate weeks, and this is also related to the issue of shelters, because it means that, most likely, these schools did not have moles of sufficient size so that all the children studying in this school could fit there at the same time in the event that it often happens there and there is an air alarm, so that is, this is a mixed issue , it is also to a large extent and not 100%, but to a large extent it is also related to the shelter. and indeed, he reports quite optimistic figures that there are almost half ukrainian schools have shelters, but the problem is with what we actually define as a shelter, because you can say that in any school there is some kind of basement, so if there is an entrance there, it is cleared, children

can go down and fit there, then formal signs, and if the emergency department measured the thickness of the walls and determined that it can protect against blows of a certain level of severity, then in principle it will protect children from blows. actually , is this enough, this is the key question, because in reality, of course, we understand that when it comes to children who there are parents without parents, especially small children, for them, it is necessary to take care not only of physical protection, of safety, but also of ensuring that staying in this room does not cause them additional psychological trauma, and here i am when i look at a part of the photo from the shelters, i understand very well the parents who looked at such shelters and said that it would be too traumatic for their children. we don't want the child to be there. even there, he plans alarms for the day for 20-30 minutes, and that is, there are the key question what do we define as the presence of a shelter, just physically

, walls, or is the space actually equipped for the stay of children? well, what if we define it? well, of course, what should be said about the safety of children , including psychologically? yes, we deliberately wrote it into the law on a safe educational environment, which includes psychological safety, and look at some of the premises that are now called shelters. well, we definitely cannot say that they will guarantee psychological safety for children. but i am already silent about there is such a different level of complexity of the question, such as the presence of a toilet in the shelter, so let me remind you that there are several dozen or hundreds of children who are in this room at the same time, with all the obviousness and there should be a toilet yes, there is an organic story with kiev, who bought a bucket . i apologize in order to solve the real issue of

shelters . it won’t be in a sheltered banal restroom, so if the child wants to, uh, i don’t know, wash his hands there, even a minimal one. but she gets scared , there’s something else there, there’s nothing there, and of course it can’t be qualified. well, that's why the problems here are quite serious, there were many parents when there were surveys in chat rooms and questionnaires were filled out by many parents, as they said no, let's go already - it's okay to go out and study, it's not online, because it's not a business or someone 's just no one with anyone to leave the child at home, there are no conditions or there are no gadgets, again, in the villages, here you are, too, mother. how do you feel about these initiatives ? let’s study, see. my son goes to school offline, because of this, he is happy because of this. i am happy, believe me, on september 1, he blew himself up at 6 in the morning

he ran up and woke me up with the words, mom, we have to go to school , let's get ready, he was collected an hour before the start of class and in an hour we have to go not far to school, eh, obviously much earlier than it should have been, simply because he was so happy to return to the team, let him be very i was upset when i realized that a quarter of the children in his class were left, but these are the realities there, that is, i, as a mother and as a teacher, am convinced that of course, online education does not replace offline education, especially for certain categories, these are children elementary school. my son is in the fourth grade . the first three years of his education each year were a period when he went offline. but this is of course what happens to the quality of children 's education, and he has a gadget. he has the internet. he has a separate room where he can children who don't have the internet, don't have a gadget, don't have their own space for classes, parents who don't check what

they're doing, instead of sitting on the internet watching something, they've de facto lost all those years of education, you understand, and we have to admit this solving the problem with storage facilities was somehow analyzed there is the experience of israel, well, it is obvious that the war will not end tomorrow and we have to somehow learn to live with it. there are two components here. the first component is to finance it. the second component is actually . i am sure that now there is absolutely no hope that there will be budget money for this , there is some money laid down in the state budget for next year, it is not enough, let's not think that this money will solve the problem more than 300,000 poorly trained russian soldiers can still force us to spend that money on defense as a result, because i am sure that we need to work more actively with international partners here and convey to them the need to invest in shelters in

ukrainian schools. we will have normal shelters, more ukrainian families will return to ukraine from abroad, they will not be a burden on their budgets, and it is obvious that they will work here for the economy of ukraine, so this is very important investment, and there are many individual countries, organizations of individual people who say we do not want to give money for weapons for various reasons, we recommend them now yes, but we are ready for humanitarian needs, so i am sure that there is no more important humanitarian need now than to equip these shelters and we must convey this to to all meetings to all partners to all international colleagues to all to all this can be done by individual parents contact individual communities i don't know organizations abroad it is possible through a foreigner twin cities but in theory this should be enough the ministry of education and science in the first place well, here we skip this story in general because i do not believe that they have done nothing in the three months of preparation for the academic year, i have no

hopes that they will take care of it, we have to wriggle out ourselves, admit that we must first of all rely on international money, the second question is actually good, we got the money, what should be done with these shelters, and here we actually need to look at how countries do it, where it was successful, for example, in israel and israel lives with the constant threat of attacks and their schools are prepared for it, and there are several elements that mean arranging the first let's make this space multifunctional if our shelter is intended simply for the children to stay there for a while well, this is such a slightly stupid investment well, of course, this is an investment, that's all exactly in safety they are worth it but if we are already arranging the space let's do something extra there and a music class with some kind of cinema for playing sports a room for meditation for whatever else it is important that if we the space has already been arranged. let's use it not only during an airstrike ; secondly, when it is again referring

to the experience of israel, that schools should be prepared for emergency situations, do not expect that we have a nurse and in which case she will provide medical assistance, because suddenly from something happened to a nurse , so teachers must also take courses in tactical medicine to be able to provide medical assistance to children. teachers must take courses on how to talk to children about what is happening because this is now not at all, i talked to the teachers, well, they say well, how can we tell that we will talk about the war, we were not taught, we were not talked about in different families, different attitudes to this, and so on, and so on. this cannot be. do you understand that this is an unacceptable situation teachers need to be helped to work in these difficult conditions, you said the magic word to get out of your own way in our program yes, it is called rescue, well, it is clear that yes , it is necessary to develop everything from the public sector to foreign donors or communities at the level communities heard it from communities. thank you for articulating it. as for the textbooks

themselves and the textbooks for parents to print, what is the price? it is necessary to change the minister of education well, i am such a baba-yaga who spends against you, you understand, my colleagues from the monomajority come to me and say inna, you know what scarlett did, what did this or did not happen you can tell about it, i say guys girls - this it's your responsibility this scarlet it's your responsibility come out tell me about it why do you think that only i should talk about it and about the fifth grade we talked for three months of the summer about the disaster with the fifth grade that we need to print the textbooks you understand and there's the price the issue was trivial compared to a bunch of other expenses, you know, it could be found in the state budget, and in the end international donors were ready to finance it, only it was necessary to start doing it in such a timely manner. you understand. and now we have textbooks

untouchable children of mushivsk and those who went to ukrainian school fifth grade are now studying from electronic textbooks, it is not clear how it happens, you don't remember the question, look there , there, there, the numbers were changing, uh, because uh, i won't say it at first, but the numbers were changing in the direction of very significant growth, it is partly justified because these on paper have grown very much and partly not to the end. of course, because ivan on kovernyk, including, wrote about it on facebook, he in the world ordered some incredible number of textbooks which we don't need for our streams of children. well, talk to some incomprehensible offices there , parimatch, although we didn't print the textbooks that should. well, that's a separate issue in the winter, to fight further with the minister, but ms. inno, but about the money, ivanna kobernyk said that judging by the previous figures we still have about 200,000 fewer children than last year, well, this is not only due to migration

, but also to the decline in the birth rate in certain years. and this means that community subsidies will be smaller, because they are calculated on the basis of, well, per child per child yes, less money for community education and what to do, close schools, fire teachers, how communities will solve all these issues well, okay, millions for storage, they don’t know, we need to look for donors, but the educational subsidy will also decrease, see the educational subsidy will decrease and this is the truth that i i would like everyone to broadcast from the screens. like many populist politicians, i would like to say in advance that everything should be left as it is , everything should be left, it is simply necessary to raise salaries, it is impossible now, it was impossible before, but now in times of war when we have to send every penny we have to the front that's for sure it's impossible to do we need to return to the issue of the school network because a school in which 20 children study, first of all, per child

, the cost of education is very high the second and most important thing is that the children receive a very poor education. look at the results of the external examination of children from rural areas, no matter what anyone tells me. but these results are statistically significant. you understand that we condemn these children to poverty because we do not we give good education to bad ones at school, do you understand ms. well, there is no need to generalize here, and there are different villages, different schools, uh, we had 200 children in each, they also attended village schools, and i agree that there are villages where there are a few children, or at all, now there are no border schools children and there, of course. the fewer children, the lower the level of education. and what to do. it should be some kind of boarding school, that is, one big school somewhere in the regional or district center and take children from the communities. how do you see it? you see it not to the regional center, but to the level of the district center, well or if

the regional center is nearby, yes, that is, if there are villages around the regional center, then of course it is possible, and this is provided by law, that elementary school , i.e., grades 1-4, should be as close as possible to the child’s place of residence. well, because the first fourth grade is really difficult for children to travel, it is difficult to get there, and so on. and yes further, but from the fifth grade you have to study in a larger school, this is good for socialization. it is good because a teacher who works with more children has a higher qualification simply because she is forced to work and with different situations i am already silent about the high school, about the lyceums, which, as we promised, should also give a choice of subjects, a choice of profile, etc. and so on. you will never do this if there are 10 children in the stream . 100,100,150 people are not in school, but working in the tenth grade, you understand, so that there is selectivity, and that's when we can

talk about approaching some standards of western secondary education, these are not simple decisions, you understand that schools will be closed, they will be laid off teachers have all disappeared well, we actually have such people, look at our budget, as of now, 30% of children graduate from school without knowing mathematics at the basic level, at the basic level, this means that they cannot multiply two-digit numbers in their heads, this is a real disaster and let someone tell me what to say, but when a country does not know mathematics, then this country is doomed and we have to recognize this, the priority should be the quality of children's education, not someone's private interests. i can sympathize with teachers who may lose their jobs but well, first of all, we actually have a migration of children, that is, jobs are actually appearing in the cities, and secondly, the education of these children should be a priority, if the children receive a bad education , there is no future in this country. yes, but on the

other hand, we are talking about development communities and to save people there, and if there are no children, well, what kind of economic development and future can we talk about ? look. i have a friend who very nicely says that there is such a statement that there is no school, there is no village, but in fact it is very false. therefore, no, it is false in why, because there is no work, there is no village, if there is no work, if there is no economy, if the biggest thing is, let’s say the employer in the village is the school , then the village will not survive in any case because, well, what will the children graduate and what will they do next, you understand . they will receive a bad education, they will stay in a village where there is no work, what do we offer them to stay in the village for the sake of staying in the village ? winter is upon us and we have communities themselves there with whom the

educational subsidy will be less by the way, if we work with the network, we will have to spend less on the utility company and this is also a good argument so why is it necessary to do something because it is necessary now if we have to maintain three schools in each of which 50 children study, then count how many you can zeko well, we understand that the school must be heated in any case for a certain amount, regardless of how many children are there. to do this, we must speak honestly about it well, stop deceiving that we can leave everything as it was, and because we don't have money for everything as it was, first , second, we already know that it gives bad results, so we must speak honestly about it, and we must demand changes in the network in accordance with demographic changes, and well, i can’t talk about this one. my mother studied at a school in the village. her parents worked there,

including teachers. when my mother studied at school, they had two classes of 30 children each. now, every school graduates from this is ninth grade the maximum is that there are five children. well, this is just demographics that must be recognized, well, that is, it is just mathematics with which it is impossible to argue, you understand. therefore, it is necessary to format a new network, this task is now actually very important for the community, for the regions, because of education, reformation, but this must be initiated by the ministry of education but it does not initiate. that is why it is necessary to start from the bottom, mrs. inna vocational technical education. why is there money for this in the budget? for several years, it has been financed from local budgets , as well as for vocational education, and we must honestly admit that, well, in the conditions of a demographic decline, we cannot maintain the same network of vocational education institutions that existed in the 90s, when there

were twice as many students, and now, well, it’s just that it is mathematically impossible, but the money is laid down in the draft budget, which is now published by the government , which includes funding from the state budget and not only from local sources. to understand that the educational sphere is cut the most for the next year in absolute numbers but these are sad realities that must be necessary in universities and schools, after all, there will be those that will be closed eh, you know, if in universities you look at eh professional technical school, this is a question for the communities and here the communities really have to work with what specialties are really needed now, where are the qualified personnel, where is the potential, so for the growth of the universities , it is also a question of the direction of the world domain, because it is it that manages the universities, and here i will tell you honestly well, first of all, my education, of course, does not use

any dills in this direction, except for the minus from eh optimized the network above in kharkiv eh, just a few months before the beginning of the great war, they united five universities eh and there , the election was won in a strange way by a deputy from the servant of the people faction, he was appointed rector despite the fact that he remained an active deputy, and that's why he wrote that he works at his own expense for something on a public basis, they appointed acting responsibilities, well, it's so white sew with threads that i don't even want to go into the details of the story, but it's just so that you understand what minusvita is doing instead of seriously approaching the reformatting of the network. we cannot today, when we have a million students, have the same network of universities as in the early 2000s when there were two million students, this is impossible, you understand, it is important for us, let us support with you the concrete steps that you now see, what needs to be done in

education so that these decisions correspond to the real picture, well, the first step is not to lie and tell everything the truth, don't promise the impossible, talk about what can really be done, attract international money for shelters in schools, colleges, technical schools , universities, this is primarily because no one will return there until there are reliable and safe, including psychological shelters, the third is to speak honestly about the network about the fact that it should be reduced because anya's military budget anya to be honest, even the pre-war budget will not be able to support this network, which is designed for a different number of pupils and students than we have today, but it is very important in all of this is fixed on the issue of quality, and that is, if we consolidate schools, then who should stay there? those teachers who provide the best quality of education should work. when we unite

universities, there should be a fair, clear and transparent competition. who stays there? the most qualified teachers should work for this . doesn't the godmother of the rector have a friend of the minister? it's also important not to forget to look at this, because otherwise well , we don't need consolidation for the sake of consolidation, we need consolidation for the sake of improving the quality of education, which will be acquired by our children and students mrs. well, i thank you very much for participating in our broadcast and on samsung people's deputy of ukraine and first deputy minister of education and science 14-16 years old thank you for your work, monitor there the government of the profile ministry, write, we will read and e - to cover all these topics as much as possible, because it is very important. thank you for being with us. this is a program that saved me by calling valevska. stay with us. we are looking for three missing children from

the family of our own two brothers, dmytro and artem, and their sister sofia told me about the disappearance of the little one, their own aunt, she is the one in the photo with her children, ms. olena has been living in spain for 10 years, but regularly maintains contact with her brother and nephews, the woman said that her relatives lived in a nine-story building in the city of mariupol at 61 kurchatova street and the last time we got in touch was the day before the start of a full-scale war, we spoke for the last time on february 23 and i don't know what happened to them at all i'm looking for viber and telegram i don't know i don't know where to find them imagine for about seven months, mrs. olena has not known anything about the fate of her family, so she is asking for help to find her relatives. this is her brother serhiy with his sons artem and dmytro. in 2014

, little sofia was only two years old at the time and she suffered the loss of her mother very hard because of this, she still has certain psychological disorders and problems with development, the girl speaks very poorly, mom, i think she is crying, uh, i can't sofia looks like she is now 10 years old, and her brothers artem and dmytro are 12 and 14 years old, on the left in the photo in a green t-shirt - this is artem, and in the middle is dmytro in a gray sweater . there are no windows in the house, so it is not excluded that during the bombing the father and the children were hiding in the basement, or somewhere in a bomb shelter. and now, maybe he has moved somewhere, mrs. elena, being in spain, somehow miraculously found out about it and even managed to get out in contact with her acquaintance in mariupol. this woman

said that she saw the children whole and unharmed at the beginning of may. my friend worked with them. well, you are talking to me, she wrote on facebook, she told me that the last time i saw them was in my bus, that’s all. so, my friend olena from mariupol saw artem and dmytro and sofiyka. at the beginning of may, the children were put on a bus. now unknown, well, the management, we don’t know, my girlfriend doesn’t know for sure, either. we don’t know where he is, what he is, i don’t

know what can happen. on social networks, so please. if anyone knows where the children could have been taken, or if anyone has seen sofia dmytro and artem or their father serhiy vlasov, do not hesitate and call us on the hotline of the magnolia children search service at the short number 116,000,000 calls from any mobile operator are free or write to us in the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram. i have another story of the disappearance of a child also in mariupol. this is 14-year-old viktor khudoshin. the last time the boy contacted me was on april 1 then he stayed in the city, the situation there has been very tense since then . almost six months have passed, but there was no more news about the child. if suddenly someone has seen viktor khudoshin, does he know where he might be now, call him urgently from any mobile phone the operator's short number of the child tracing service

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