to do because it is clear that the price of the referendum is primarily aimed at the internal audience, it is an attempt to further mobilize them that here we have a very serious block that has been raised and i think that i will not limit myself to a few phrases, let's break down the russian invasion into blocks the territory of ukraine, it had several stages, and the people who fought against ukraine also had different characteristics, that is, in the first wave, those soldiers who were deceived, who were sent for training, and then thrown into the war, well, most of them, at least in the second wave, there were also volunteers. but what we see now are people who are going to fight against ukraine

for money. information about the fraternal peoples of humanism does not make any sense, it is about ordinary russians who do not go to war, someone is watching all this through i don't know whether social networks through television screens. and are ordinary russians the object of this influence or are russians deciding something in this war they do not decide, that is, at the moment, it seems to me that the main task of ukraine's information apparatus is to reduce the number of russians who are ready to go fight against ukraine for money, this is actually the influence of the game, it is possible, but it is the influence on the category that is ready to go to war and i say to them once again they do not have any humanistic or moral arguments , only fear acts on them, only the feeling of fear, fear of

killing, killing, fear of being maimed, fear of not getting money, and other fears, and only in this way can the number of those who want to be reduced they want to feed on hay, if we are talking about simple russians, er, in general, then at this stage, er, we are less interested in this category, but in the second stage, of course, we are interested in whether russia will be as aggressive er neighbor as it is now, of course, it would be very good for us to have a normal neighbor who would be predicted to be democratic. well, in principle, as we see in the european union, where normal countries live with normal goals, not zataritarian, but normal goals to improve the lives of their people not only of a certain group, therefore, of course, in the future, we would like the government to be

changed, whether these russians will be able to change this government, there are doubts, well, that is, in fact, even such a big collapse, yes, on the front line, you think that this system cannot be changed, but here or some on the front line, what should be the mechanism, yes, what should be the mechanisms in your opinion that will lead to such a scenario that is best for ukraine, the best option is to stop this war and the best option for russia and the whole world will be when ukraine wins in this war from fighting in this territory , firstly, it restores justice, secondly, it can start a mechanism of change in russia itself, military victories plus international pressure here i include embargo sanctions and everything that will deprive the

russians of money for this war, they will stop fighting when they will be forced to ask themselves the question: what to feed their people, not spending money on foreign policy adventures, but spending money on their internal needs, such a situation actually already existed, it is no longer an invention, it is the soviet union actually repeats itself in a 2:0 mode absolutely, and the situation with east and west germany, for example, remember before the war there was such a popular thesis that if only ukraine should build a prosperous economy here now, then the occupied territories will instantly return, so we already said then that it is not true that it has no relation to reality because the example of east and west germany is very clear. west germany is successfully prosperous with east germany under soviet influence and 40%, they diverged further and further in terms of living standards, in fact, and they could

not unite because one became richer and healthier, and the other - poorer and unhealthy, and only when the empire of the soviet union lost its grip and when they lacked money for basic products, when gorbachev traveled around the world with an outstretched hand and came to kolya with a request to give at least 4 billion marks to feed muscovites, then the condition was put forward that ok, but you agree to the restoration of germany only thus, that is, the russians discovered our our plan is to make it so that once again the karachki were supplied as humanitarian aid to russia . by the way, you mentioned that international pressure is also important. i completely agree with this, but many experts also say that ukraine actually lost the east lost china lost india and now these countries have little understanding of what ukraine is, even those countries that ukraine feeds

, supplies flour, corn, wheat and everything else, because they don't even know what it is what a country, how do we need to change our information policy in relation to not only western countries, which fortunately have already well understood how important ukraine is, i don't agree that we lost, the proof that we didn't lose is at least the fact that there is a big international coalition in support of ukraine, and this is just a clear proof that the combination of political and informational e-e measures has had an effect on western countries and on many other countries . philosophers sit and wait for the body of the enemy to pass by, that is, they are now in the observer stage and can join when the winner is obvious, others simply make money from this, a very

vivid example of china, which makes great money from the fact that russia went into international isolation, so of course it is in their hands, well or about the supply of gas and oil for pennies, in fact absolutely with other countries, there are also difficulties there, in africa there are difficulties in latin america there, for example, while brazil has two component reasons, first of course, the formation presence of ukraine is low, but there are objective factors that do not depend on us. russian propaganda presents our conflict and our war as a struggle between russia and a collective event, first of all in the united states, there is a nato event, and so on. such a situation continues to exist in the world. it is divided into countries that do not like nato's collective action in the

united states, and they are playing on these sentiments. yes, the united states will support ukraine. so we do not support this conflict because we are against the united states. this is how it works in many countries of the middle east, africa. therefore and as in under these conditions, the ideal situation would be when we would have our own informational rammstein, that is, what is meant is that the leading countries have united not only their military capabilities to provide support to ukraine, but also would provide support to ukraine in the possibilities of clarifying and conveying our position to those regions to those countries where our information presence is currently weak, to use the platforms of the leading information resources of the west to convey our position, and something is being done in this direction

what exactly, first of all, we have a ministry of foreign affairs that actively works in the international arena, i work with local people hmm, i will be responsible only for the information part, i work as local experts, journalists to convey my position, secondly, at the ukrainian level, about the informational rammstein this is not me came up with this from an interview with the minister of culture and information politicians yes yes yes what i know is what oleksandr tkachenko is talking about, therefore, at the intra-ukrainian level, there are also organizational measures with the preparation of such a format is good, and again, let's return to the current threats, the latest news of margarita simonyan, the head of the rt channel, the main propaganda mouthpiece of the kremlin, in fact

. this is a victory, a total victory, and the second is a nuclear war, that is, in fact, the intimidation of ukraine is starting now or is intensifying again - the most difficult, worst-case scenario, what to do in this situation, how to react what semenyan and other talking heads say is blackmail, and blackmail is a favorite trick, it is a favorite tool of the kremlin, and it is not today and not yesterday. this practice continued even in post -soviet russia. russian experts used to tell such a fable or something that once, when fighting. well, he had already

ruled ukraine for several years. he asked his advisers to the generals. and why does the west not run to fulfill our huts why don't they respond well and the musitet answered that because they are not afraid of you, they consider you a normal politician and they are not afraid, accordingly, of yeltsin's successor putin . to frighten the world with nuclear weapons uh, it didn't start today, they scare always when something needs to be achieved from uh, the west, unfortunately, sometimes such blackmail works because, well, normal countries, normal

political leaders do not want escalation and the west the political philosophy is that it is necessary to negotiate and actually they sometimes go to negotiate now the situation is different but the mechanism of blackmail has not changed and what is putin saying avatars who speak all these horror stories well they just continue the line that has been chosen that is, you think that the threat in fact, there is no, that’s all, only blackmail, in fact, putin blocks, he primarily blocks, but the risk of one or another scenario can never be ruled out. an example is our current situation, they scared us with war a long time ago, they training, that is, an element of military exercises - it is also blackmail, it is intimidation, they forced us to various scenarios before federalization and so on, in the end it turned into an open

war, so it is impossible to completely exclude the use of the arsenal's nuclear arsenal, but it is necessary to understand that it was carried out it will be the last joker, which when it will be drawn, then the cards are already in the hands, absolutely, this is such a question, after all, there is an impression that these statements about referendums, yes, so -called referendums, urgent referendums about which we started talking now with- today in our interview and this is nuclear blackmail, this is all russia's effort to somehow get out of this trap into which it drove itself, the so-called special military operation is clearly not going according to plan, they cannot win , on the contrary, our armed forces are inflicting on them blow by blow and what do they want now, what is the best scenario for them, are they really inclined now to hold negotiations here, but do you understand that there is no monolith in the russian federation, that is, there is a

part of the population of society in which it begins this anti-war robot what is he called there is a war and not and not because he is for ukraine but simply no war and there is a category of people who have accepted the rules of the game created for them by the government, they raised their hands and said yes, we will carry out what we have concentrated on and there is a group of people who, well, we can call them radicals, who are ultra-patriots, what do they call themselves there, who demand even tougher measures against ukraine, so when we say what they want , we need to specify who wants, well, now we are talking about putin, well, there are also different ways of specifying signals, we do not fully know what putin wants , because what he says and what he does are often very reciprocal, including things, of course, if we

do what he wants, then we would not be here with you on the air now. but one thing is what does he want, the second thing is what he can do, lately there have been signals that putin is ready to go to some kind of negotiations, eh, in erdoğan's last interview, he hinted that i saw in his eyes a desire to go to negotiations, remember it's not the first time there's been such a story is this phrase about the eyes so so so they still say about chemistry , especially chemistry between s-participants, or i saw in his eyes the desire er-er peace, well, to believe because we saw it in the eyes ukrainians have learned not to believe in it er-er we tend to believe anyway a concrete step well, if there were signals, of course, not everyone is satisfied with the situation, especially the business of rich

people who found themselves in isolation, whose assets were taken away and whose assets are not allowed to go abroad, well, nobody likes it and everyone understands that the situation will not end today will not end it may not end tomorrow, when there will be a change of power. well, of course, some ideas may be floating around, but you have to understand that now the war party has won in russia, and even those who want to change some situation are afraid to speak about it publicly, that's why that they can end their lives as a violinist as, er, top management, that now they are actually under the impression that if i am right, you can prepare me that now they have even moved from information attacks to information defense, they want to bring these referendums. i think so to stabilize the front line under freezing and there maybe for a year or two for another time to accumulate strength again and continue

the offensive propaganda, in fact, three days after the ukrainians left the next kharkiv direction, all this construction that was being built, it fell down. different and interesting trends appeared. hm, you could observe who works for which side. this means who is in the fsb, who is in the gurg, who is in the national guard, and so on. these are all groups, that's why they come to information defense. and indeed they er, they want to er, at least record what they have already captured, record er and justify why they are doing it, that is what i said at the beginning, they want to transfer their status from a country that is advancing

to a status that chooses its territory last last topic which this work wanted to touch how does your center work now before the interview, not on camera, we talked with you that even somewhere around two dozen people work, that they do several areas of our work, this is information, analytical communication, direct communication and training, respectively, in these four areas, people work first in war uh, they worked before the war and at first they continued to work in the same rhythm without slowing down in all these areas. well, the last question is probably already uh, how do you see it, is ukraine confident now wins on the information front, we won't lose the information front thanks to this information front won't lose not only because ah-ah there the power of m-m is doing something extraordinary extraordinary and

thanks to the fact that there is a symbiosis of power and society, public organizations of individual people, that is, without a combination of these two elements no state or society could cope with this threat. that is why it is very important for us to preserve the unity of society and the state. i am not talking about the government about the personal. his personal well-being is impossible without the existence of the ukrainian state, it is possible only within the framework of our country, our state, otherwise we have before our eyes fresh examples of what happens when other people come to replace the ukrainian state, russian occupiers come, and that there is murder, looting, people are deprived of everything material and human lives, so

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, this is a civilian aged about 40-50 years, his hands are tied behind the injury, which we can now see from the angry changes in the chest, neck and head, he says that there was blood, which means that he was wounded accordingly. well, more only the forensic medical expert will tell in detail what caused this person's death during the autopsy and examination of which. now we are near the position of the army of the russian federation. before death, they were also tortured, of course, dna will be taken, blood will be collected, and

the room will be taken to the general base, but there are some things with him, for example, he was vagrant well, these are the appropriate times, uh, there are clothes and we will see among the people who have gone missing. because we were here where we were today, we were literally digging in that same place. we were literally there sunday ago. we also found a body before that and often . well, at the moment, it's once, twice, on sunday, that's 100%. , yes a-a-a

-a-a -a-a this is one of the places where we found bodies here now it was overgrown and thrown with garbage here was the abbot's grave we were summoned here we came here there were four champions i do n't remember i've been hunting for four or five years, local grandmothers and a 90-year-old boy have also been killed. one year in this passport they went into his pocket well, two more unidentified bodies, we came here, the investigator says, well, everything was dug up, the investigator says the smell is coming from across the road there, there is another pit like a body pit, another one was found there, what did you find here immediately, it was found and here, oh, here, here, the

pit was also thrown with garbage, here was the body, and the head was somewhere there, about one meter after the occupation. well, we knew that there were many bodies , they took down the problem of what they recruited , do you remember if we recruited the buchachi superiors, they they called us and if we had agreed on help and cooperation that we would work here, and so, in principle, immediately from the police, they sent us the direct address from where the bodies need to be taken, and so they already started working precisely along bucha, more than a couple of hundred, maybe i transported a lot i don't even know. it's just that it's a lot. it's 20 on average during the day. it's precisely during the post-occupation period. on average, it's around 20 to 30 bodies. and

we worked like that for two sundays, and now we're digging for nothing. that's it you don't know about seven districts, where the most were, you don't know . as for me, where we worked, they were taken away in this region. in my opinion, it's mostly gunshot wounds, well, it's not like shrapnel there. i think it's mostly gunshot wounds. well, how can you tell, we're at work we try not to think about everything, because if we let each such death pass through us, then i don't know how to survive it all. well, i understand that there is simply another life here, some people passed through, killed them there, why we don't understand . oh, i don't know, it's not the most difficult, there are a lot of children

near the house they killed near the multi-storey building there are many because you know the body is here here i just don't remember everything by now one grave was made somewhere here two men were buried and on the other side of the house somewhere here too somewhere there where are the apples there are still graves with two people. one of them was young. they were 80 or 90 years old. the other one was 40 years old . i think they were killed by gunshot wounds . i remember one tattoo on the street, which is parallel, and there are also two. there is no we just go to one temporary house and pick up two different bodies. we go to another house, there, too, the body

is dropped off at the following addresses, it’s literally there, a neighboring house, we take it all into the car, i put it in the car. and if we had problems with diesel, because they didn’t work at one gas station, and there what could they do then somehow we found the next house there, we go into the next house , we take out the tilak, we park the car, so we look at the address and this is literally across the high-rise building on the other side of the streets, we get there two more, the police tell us he is there on the next door behind the house, it turns out give them two more, that's how we transported. well, there were up to 20 to 16 bodies. we loaded the car at the same time. and it 's very difficult to put the body in a bag so that nothing gets dirty. no, it's all in the blood and the car is everyone when you load there 15-16 tables. it's simple the game is running and i covered everything completely and the whole car is covered in blood, all the packages are covered in blood, you are also covered in blood, well, that’s how the work was then