in particular, in energy, for example, and it was not for nothing that we showed you the story about the nuremberg trials, because the tribunal for putin, uh, this is a completely conceivable prospect oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, contact us, oleksandr, i wish you a good evening and a safe evening i wish thank you very much, well it is important to understand that it is possible and i am too optimistic when i talk about the soon tribunal for putin, but what we have to do now is to record and document those crimes against e rights violation of human rights committed by the russians on our territory and outside our country, because a large number of ukrainians were practically deported to the russian federation , including it is the violations of human rights that are recorded most by the russians, please. well, i

can say that there are several systems that register these crimes. first, it is at the state level. in the program, we know that there is an office of the general the prosecutor who invites her to turn in information about the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity. and also what is called treason, that is, according to the corresponding articles of the criminal code, it is qualified as 438, the main violation of the laws and customs of the introduction of war 437-436, this is the biggest the category of such crimes, which mainly concern war crimes and crimes against humanity. well, articles 110-111 of the criminal code are actually treason, encroachment on territorial integrity, and accordingly, there is also quite a large number of open criminal

cases, because criminal proceedings are opened for these interesting ones, which must be further investigated and supplemented with materials . specific crimes and specific minuses and those who are accused will be prosecuted and are already being prosecuted, there is such a practice, we know accordingly, for the future, this creates an array of proof of legal facts that, uh, today are reported, which well, today's tragedy with the shelling of the evacuation column in zaporizhzhia and a large number of dead, there was information about 25 victims already, who were there, we know that they

are in serious condition the victims of this shelling themselves, morning condolences to all the injured victims and uh, there are non-governmental organizations that are also involved in documentation, i can say about uh, this, too, with a similar name, the tribunal initiative for putin, in which we already have more than 20 and a half thousand recorded facts of the commission of war crimes against ukraine on the scale of this last part of the war from february 24, 2022, i emphasize this because we have been engaged in documentation since the very first days of the war from 2014 and even before that, such a sufficient array of facts was collected that

testified to the commission of war crimes, crimes , first of all, these are crimes that concern both the civilian population and rural employees , these are crimes related primarily to the most serious category - these are deliberate, these are murders, the use of torture , these are kidnappings, deprivation of liberty, illegal deprivation of liberty, we know that there are quite a large number of people who are considered missing, some of them are practically already dead, and this is a separate such dramatic page of this history, it is huge the number of dead, we are also talking about a separate type of crime, such as the destruction of civil infrastructure, when it is destroyed, and how

objects are intentionally destroyed, infrastructure objects are intentionally destroyed, and damage is caused to residential fund when there is indiscriminate shelling, which is one of the types of war crimes, and the civilian population also suffers, e.e. , yesterday's example. secondly, they will become the evidence on the basis of which both national and international legal proceedings will be carried out and the perpetrators will be brought to justice . crimes against humanity you personally see in

this in this crime yes, i'm sorry for the tautology and how can ukraine then this case, this case is a mass group murder well, bring to justice those who gave the order, who carried out the order, who is guilty of these murders, let me remind you of the 25 who actually died 74 wounded and among the wounded children five and three years old. please, i would like to remind you that this is not the first such shelling in our country. it is a tragedy . and in july in vinnytsia, when the shelling took place, the shelling of the station in kramatorsk and, accordingly, today the shelling is so, well, the most massive. let 's say for the number of victims and the crimes committed by the russian federation, it is actually considered as a crime against humanity, it is a

serious crime in the field of violation of international humanitarian law, which according to the rome statute , it is possible to appeal to a clear qualification when the death of a civilian population as a result of non -selective shelling or deliberate shelling of a civilian population occurs is considered a truly serious crime for which prosecution thank you, mr. oleksandr olga kotsurova, senior adviser on legal issues of the civil network, the support is also in touch with us ms. olya, congratulations glory to ukraine good day, the support collects testimony and evidence of war crimes in russia a-- actually just now oleksandr outlined what most often to what exactly are the violations of human rights most often committed by the russians in

our great war? please tell me whether the list of these evidences and testimonies is already long. russian war crimes and crimes against humanity in fact, in your database, and most often they use methods of bullying ukrainians. i want to say that, in order for you not to duplicate, but to supplement, the line of other organizations, such as mr. oleksandr, in particular, represents, we focused on gathering testimony precisely in those displaced people who are now in the republic of poland, that is, according to our methodology, we collect, and we actually conduct such preliminary interviews with witnesses of russian crimes, and we look for them

in the places where displaced persons live or they have the right to pass, they can come to us at the center, they communicate with a lawyer and a psychologist, and we pass uh, when the ends are given, and actually to uh transfer to the moratorium in order to or if it was crimes, if it was on the territory of ukraine, so we communicated or they submitted information to us in our database. that is, it is already part of those whose documents are open . proceedings by the prosecutor general's office e and c in poland, we are also trying to get the persons who witnessed the crimes to be interviewed by the polish prosecutor's office, so that these crimes are properly

documented by the authorized body . thank you, thank you . we are in touch, alexander, literally the last ones clarifying such a question, i have always been interested in this situation, look at the russian military who committed war crimes . do they receive sentences in our country and can they they will be exchanged then in the context of the exchange of prisoners or some similar procedures and in what legal status so we talked about we are talking about war crimes yes these are two different categories eh see these are two different processes eh the first depends on that eh how serious is this crime, for which is this soldier convicted, or is he already a

prisoner of war, probably he will be and according to the category of defense against the fact that he was a subject of a-a there is no exchange, then it can be i it depends eh on eh that immediate crime which he committed due to the possibility of not repeating this crime from budnoy punishment, there are many factors, that is, there is no categorical prohibition, we are talking about the fact that uh, hmm, it is necessary simply among those prisoners of war who are currently at the disposal of ukraine, who have been captured in captivity eh to carry out such a certain eh live this term filtering as to whether they are involved in the commission of such war crimes and i can give an example that for example, one victim of sexual violence came to know among the conscripts exactly of the offender who committed this crime, according to what

certain procedural actions are currently being taken against him to bring him to justice already in court although he appeared as a person who should have been transferred in the process of exchange thank you for this clarification oleksandr pa vlichenko director of the ukrainian helsinki union for rights man was with us we are in touch well and we are moving on, the interesting reaction of world leaders to the statements of vladimir putin and to the tectonic shifts in the relations between ukraine and the north atlantic alliance i think that the next guest knows about this better than anyone, and this is oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine , chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and inter-parliamentary cooperation, congratulations, mr. oleksandr, good day, good afternoon, mr. oleksandr, what is your reaction, or for you, this is a huge surprise for us christina is surprised that today the ukrainian president, the

head of the ukrainian parliament and the head of the ukrainian government signed this appeal to nato, what will be the consequences for ukraine, for our society, for our, for our army, what do we expect from nato in response ? you know, i would say that this is a very long-awaited surprise, at least for me. i just yesterday, uh, we talked with french colleagues, parliamentarians, heads of committees, i raised this issue. the question of the need for ukraine to join nato as soon as possible, because i and my colleagues from our committee have been talking about this for a long time, we are trying to convince our colleagues, representatives of representatives of various parliaments, representatives of foreign affairs committees from different countries because, in my opinion, the only guarantee of ukraine's security is joining nato, and i am also convinced that if we succeed in this,

it can stop putin's military aggression, because we have seen that putin is afraid of only one person he is afraid of nato and when finland and sweden joined nato he was unable to do anything and he is sure that we have to go exactly this way in relation to nato and ukraine, we have already come a long way and you know a huge mistake was made in 2008 year at the summit in bucharest, the nato summit, when, due to the position of the then chancellor angela merkel and the president of france, nicolas sarcasm, it was not possible to obtain a peace treaty and it was not possible for ukraine to join nato , and it was a huge political mistake on the part of these countries, but this mistake must be corrected and we we will do everything so that ukraine becomes a member of nato as soon as possible p oleksandr we have another important statement from the ukrainian president today regarding possible

negotiations with russia, he said zelenskyi ukraine was and remains a leader in victorious efforts it was our state that always offered russia to agree on a coexistence solution on equal, honest , dignified and fair terms. it is obvious that this is impossible with this russian president. he does not know what dignity and honesty are, so we are ready for a dialogue with russia, but already with another russian president, well, that is brave enough statement but it seems to me well, no, i think i wanted to ask you, isn't it too categorical? participation in the ukrainian delegation within the framework of the tripartite contact group and i know how much we tried to do everything to solve this

issue through diplomatic and political means, but with the russian dictator it is simply impossible to come to an agreement with russian politicians now, they violate all the rules, all the norms and international law and all agreements that is it just doesn't make any sense and really er really we are the last er what happened i mean the attempt to annex the new occupied territories it just closes any the way is any door to negotiations with the russian dictator. it simply does not make sense now, and in general there are other points, so to speak, of this speech of the ukrainian president. he said that we are only formalizing de jure what already exists de facto - this is mutual respect, mutual defense is the interoperability of ukraine and nato, mutual trust uh, and we have to do it without providing an action plan regarding

membership, in fact, comparing ukraine with sweden and finland, or is that how it is with us? okay, not only military compatibility should be, but also well, mutual compatibility in the fight against corruption is also one of the conditions for joining nato, not only military readiness, are we ready? oleksandr, i am asking directly for such a condition as the fight against corruption is not necessary for joining nato, but ukraine provides an example of a fairly successful fight against corruption, we have created the necessary tour. we are going this way because corruption in wartime is a special crime that is simply impossible to put up with. we are doing everything. maybe, but i want to emphasize that ukraine as a state is ours . army, it will definitely become the pearl of nato because, as the president rightly said,

ukraine is the only country in the world today that beats a large army against the russian state, which defeats it on the battlefield , that is, ukraine has proven its ability to be a very effective army. and we are ready to defend the whole of europe , and that means there is no doubt here. we have been ready for this for a long time. we thank oksana oleksandra for her comments . and we are moving on and it is very interesting what do they think about everything that today, god, what an eventful day happened, what was said today, and we will ask our good friends, the representative of latvia, as well as julie, the latvian diplomat, the economic attache of latvia in ukraine, who is with us in touch, aynars, welcome to you, i'm not sure what language it will be

convenient to speak now, they tell me that it's in russian for now что начить а здравствуйте рады э-э выдеть в этер, actually today we heard putin's statement and today we learned that ukraine has issued they signed the application to nato and we are now waiting for the arrival of yantz from toltenberg, the general secretary , teresh antoniou, the un secretary-general also owes us something important to say, but not less. or after all, the application is an application and the procedures will be saved, please, it’s not difficult to say, it’s difficult to explain because everything changes very quickly, the

situation changes quickly in an accelerated order also as the entry of the european union of ukraine, but how will it be resolved there by the nato world, or let's say that all nato members are difficult to say because, well , an application has already arrived in ukraine today, this is already a step, i think that the strange nato should be resolved and-and well , let’s quickly make a decision and give some kind of answer to ukraine so that people understand one thing is that we help a-a humanitarian and military and there, unfortunately, everything is also not so clear-cut, at least the members of the european union a-a well, this help is ambiguous

yes, although i want to say that the baltic countries are, but uh, well, the first group is doing what they can on their part, and they specifically say to our ministers of the minister of foreign affairs that we uh, 100% support everything . that's all, and the entry of the european union i think about the next order. well, here is our announcement and the fact that we support ukraine's accession to nato, this is my personal opinion. well, i will ask you the same question that i asked our previous expert and our guest regarding the statement of the ukrainian president zelensky said that ukraine remains a leader in the negotiation process and has always offered russia to agree on coexistence on

equal, honest, dignified, and fair conditions, however, with this russian president, it is impossible, zelensky said today, he does not know what decency and honesty are - said zelensky and he said that we are ready for a dialogue with russia. but already with the second president of russia, your assessment of such a statement is not. his manner will go with similar statements, i support the president's position, but this imposes some obligations on our further, and your position does not seem good to you

, listeners. remains a leader in the negotiation process and has always offered russia to agree to exist on equal, honest and fair terms, however, with this president of russia, it it's impossible he doesn't know what decency and honesty are, that's why we're ready for a dialogue with russia, said zelenskyy, it's not the same with the president of russia, will this narrow the field for ukraine's maneuver in future negotiations ? украинской победы пожалуйста слышители вы нас it is similar to the fact that our guest does not hear us, the guest is far away , so to speak, physically far from us, so some communication problems may occur, i will remind you that this is ainz mezhuli from latvian diplomats

economic attaché of latvia in ukraine, who noted that the baltic countries, on their part, will do everything possible to ensure that this step, ukraine's move into the north atlantic alliance, is as fast as possible, and the path is shorter, and accordingly, the result will be in the near future, and support in the future will not hinder our colleagues and partners in nato, at least because in the future we will still have time and grief to live in such a neighborhood with the russian federation. with our beautiful, well, anywhere. to be honest, she condemns the pseudo-referendum at gunpoint. the president of the country, ms. sandu, announced this. she condemned the holding of so-called referendums in the occupied territories, wrote on twitter, and i strongly condemn and reject russia's attempt to illegally annex the occupied regions

of ukraine fictitious votes that she held at gunpoint donetsk luhansk kherson zaporizhzhia and crimea - this is ukraine, sandu emphasized, she also added that support for sovereignty and the territorial integrity of ukraine by moldova remains steadfast. well, there is one very eloquent video. i don't know if our colleagues will have time to show it to us now. aha. we have a guest, he came back to contact us and this cannot help but please aynard, especially julis latvian diplomat, economic and lazy in ukraine, aynars. i hope that we are in touch with you. i will once again ask the already shortened version of the question. the partnership of co-existence of equals is comfortable

for ukraine and for russia, but with this president of russia it is impossible because he has no dignity and nothing, so ukraine will negotiate with the second and next president of russia . is ukraine for itself, this is the space for future negotiations on the end of the war with similar statements statements that i, in principle, as a citizen absolutely support please no well i think that i can agree with zelenskiy, but the first question is that what can be discussed so far? well, ukraine does not exist in those territories where it should be. you can't take the negotiations when a foreign army

has occupied a part of the ukrainian territory , what can be a negotiation, what today putin announced that he already annexed a part of ukraine, and a beautiful one can be in an hour. oblasts, what kind of negotiations can there be with such and such a leader? russia's first turn must leave ukrainian land, and then this is my opinion . must leave the ukrainian land today, er, one expert in energy issues er made an assumption on our air that, in fact, russia is opening a second front, it will be an energy front, and purely territorially, it is like since such things are spread over the baltic sea, foreigners of the baltic states, in general, events related to

northern currents a-a i think that they might stumble upon an attack, but you would support it and be more careful with it. well, i i would say i would be a little cautious because every situation and every situation we have to evaluate differently, yes, ukraine is the same thing, although it is very connected with all of europe and the whole world, it is clear, but uh, everything is thrown away ah, well, let's say so if it is simply expressed in one bag it's not possible, thank you for participating in our broadcast, it's a pity that the technical difficulties have stolen our time, but i hope that this is not the last time we meet like

this. yehor and i would like to remind you that today at 19:00 and on the espresso tv channel with translation, we will be able to hear and see jens stultenberg, the secretary general of nato, who will inform us of very important things, and i hope that this is about the acceptance of our application actually and about what our path to the north atlantic alliance will be. maybe it will be a little shorter than it traditionally is. antonio goterezh , the un secretary general, will also make an important address today. well, western countries continue to react to putin's announcement of ukrainian lands , and the states and great britain have already sanctioned them. they introduce one way or another waiting for continuation, as of today, our air time is running out, and on this we say goodbye to the tv viewers, we thought igor, something might happen. well, i am quoting what zelensky is asking to be given to ukraine

security guarantees before its accession to nato are also important, he said, calling on western partners to implement the proposals for security guarantees prepared by ukraine, set out in the kyiv security treaty, we will follow the development of events and will inform you about it on our broadcast khrystyna yaskiv and the combustible series were from you in the last four hours well, in a few moments the work of our colleagues at radio svoboda is waiting for you watch and listen the kremlin celebrates the annexation russian president vladimir putin ceremoniously includes the occupied territories of ukraine to the composition of russia, how ukraine and the world will react to the attack on the humanitarian convoy in zaporizhzhia