er, some situations related to war can be particularly sensitive. and just a few weeks ago, for example, ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky hinted to the russians that if you are interested in er, the export, including through our country, of your fertilizers, which somehow need to be exported and export to the end consumer, so we can talk about the fate of our prisoners of war, well, that is, ammonia in the blood, so we are actually talking about e and also very sensitive points that are discussed definitely absolutely e separately that well, dear, here it is important that an event actually happened in our country yesterday, ukraine submitted an application to join the north atlantic alliance. after that, we listened to yantz from toltenberg, the secretary general. well, some joked that zelensky signed the application now, and toltenberg accepted us a few hours later. it is clear that it doesn't happen that these are certain procedures that there must be a certain compliance with them in any case became a worthy answer because the kremlin's shabo

that was somehow observed and er is very historical in fact the day er was yesterday meanwhile we have understand that the future path is also extremely important and we must be careful and thoughtful in each of our next steps, mr. igor. how do you see our progress, our progress into the north atlantic alliance? and i think that they will overcome the last barriers in the form of ratification by turkey and hungary. can we hope for the same good pace in your opinion? well, it will depend on how we work as we we will work not with the alliance as a whole, but with individual countries, because it is not a secret that there are countries that are more optimistic about ukraine, canada, the baltic countries yesterday directly said that they support this idea and are our allies

. in this regard, there are countries that are more skeptical there are countries that are categorically opposed. we also know them and now we have to work with them, but you know, this should not be our goal in itself, because if we focus exclusively on the fact that we will fight with these countries at the level of some negotiations. well, we will lose other important points for today. the very fact of submitting this application is very important because most likely we will not get this membership soon. it must be understood, but this does not prevent us from claiming some other status as an ally-partner of a country that has already started certain procedures, the country receives some additional financial and military aid, it is very important there, help and many other things . therefore, it is simply necessary to use this informational story very well. i think that we used it for to the maximum, and if you even analyze the russian mass media, for god's sake, you can see that this topic even interrupted to a large extent what they tried to arrange there in moscow yesterday, and

this is actually a very important moment, because the russians talked more about this and not about the fact that putin is doing something returned somewhere or announced some new territories there. therefore, now there will be such painstaking work here , well, there is no need to be naive in the sense that now all the doors will open for us and the situation will change . communicate and gradually change the existing position . in some countries that are afraid of a direct confrontation with the russian federation, it should be explained that these are slightly different things and that they are not necessarily interconnected and that ukraine is now blocking you. and if we are in nato and accordingly we will be able to do it is much easier, well, to a large extent, and this does not necessarily mean that you should immediately start some kind of war there, and so on, here is the question of symbols, the question of how far we will go further in this integration. it seems to me that here we just have very good chances. but we must not forget one key thing, the main negotiator for ukraine now in this matter

will be our armed forces of ukraine. why is it successful that they will act? believe me, more and faster and for the better the attitude of individual nato countries will change our country's membership in this organization. what is your reaction? well, it seemed to me yesterday that ani stoltonberg, ani representatives of the state, jake sullivan commented yesterday that they did not know about a similar signing yesterday and such an initiative became news for them as well as for us, and you didn't think so, regardless of how they reacted, believe me , in the near future, their attitude to our application will change a little, what i mean, look , it's impossible because of yesterday, yesterday was very historical day and it is impossible to separately consider a separate event and explain why it will have consequences. it is necessary to consider all the interconnected events of yesterday. they must be considered in their entirety. what happened yesterday happened

first. the aspects are global, there is an aspect that is purely ukrainian, and that before the court in ukrainian, the fact that yesterday’s speech to the leader was heard in moscow, and the fact that we submitted an application to nato indicates that there are no negotiations, no position, no trade negotiations regarding the positions regarding the armistice. peace or something else between ukraine and russia today does not exist and cannot exist. that is, we have reached a situation when either ukraine and the general world society will win, or fascist moscow will win the authors, there are no other options, that is, russia she said that she does not want to enter directly on these on the territory, we said that the position on which we could talk and this is the position of... do we join donata or will there not be too much any separate security guarantees , this is no longer on the negotiation table... do they provide

that in the relevant application, we emphasized that it is about this , we will not talk about it anymore, we will not have a way to present other options, the negotiator will not have a position, and accordingly, in the end, in the situation, it will be either russia or ukraine, i believe without a doubt that it was ukraine and the second very important part is about which actually yesterday, moscow challenged the whole world, they said that they will fight with the western diplomatic world until the end, they uh, there was a statement that they are calling for a new alliance of the anti-western world, which will form a separate pole. in fact, this is a direct challenge to uh, war in the united state of the eu and other democratic states, the western democratic world will have no other option to accept this challenge, and in this case, what i am saying is that it is lina, not independence, and in general, for the existence of that world. how we know as it is and the last point

applies if we return to the factory, firstly i said that this is actually a fixation of the position that we will no longer trade with our progress and tor will not because we will drive and secondly this is another manifestation of our active diplomatic position, which we did not have in 30 years, the fact that we now have the support of the western world is primarily due to the fact that we, the ministry of foreign affairs and the government, as well as the president , took an active democratic position there for the last year because we set the tone and the way to go forward and in in this case, just as with the candidate for the eu, we took the first step precisely so that you, the western society, would respond to our active position , the only p about our direction to nato became the cause of russian aggression. well, he

said that while condemning it, and here the policy and position of different positions has changed, it changes depending on what time of year you were born, then i will raise another topic yesterday a meeting of the nsdc took place where the list of sanctioned persons was approved. it covers 3,600 people , the website of the ministry of economy reported, and there are children, putin's relatives, close entourages of representatives of regional elites, oligarchs, artists, propagandists, collaborators , representatives of the top management, representatives of the so-called governments, but there is no list e p igor this is, of course, a common practice when announcements are made number and no one knows who is on the list, because we remember these lists of these thieves in law, from which they later crossed out someone for some money, someone for some the money was added, please be brief well, i think that these lists will appear, well, the only real question is when exactly and as far as i know, i don’t have confirmation of this information yet, but it is already walking in er, let’s say in the information space, there are

questions about certain persons who should were on these lists, but they are not there yet, we are talking about individual russian oligarchs who have property in ukraine, it is possible that the issue about them is still being resolved and when the final solution is decided, we will see the lists e p olezhe, will they be there russian oligarchs, for example, mykhailo fridman, petro avin, oleksandr babakov. well, i am asking many people. well, fimo is there, look, look, there is a native. so far, i am asking you, first of all, to implement the decision of the rbo. there should be a decree of the president a-a on its implementation, so-called, and accordingly in this sentence we will see all the lists of who is present there. i think that everything will not be a secret, and then we will study the games live with you and we can go through each character ah, i apologize to him, regarding the future, that's right. by the way, this a manifestation if we see such a large number of oligarchs, the number of subsactions, this is exactly

what he said that all parties, including ukraine , finally made a decision that there can be no victories with the enemy and we are going to our to our victory to our end of the war in sevastopol when we raise our flag there, there can be no other options. and this is exactly this manifestation . thank you very much, dear guests. we will remind you that ihor reiterovych and the political scientist and oleg dunda, the people's deputy of ukraine, were on the phone from the studio. well, i will remind you. on september 29, ukraine managed to return four more of our defenders from captivity. on september 21, ukraine returned from russian captivity a part of the mariupol garrison that was defending itself. in fact, it is important not to forget that a very large number of our defenders remain in captivity with the russians. of the boys of the defenders of mariupol , boys and girls, definitely another action of the relatives of the native e-e defenders of mariupol took place today

our colleague dmytro didura met and had the opportunity to talk with some of them dmytro, congratulations we invite you to speak to the espresso tv channel. there is indeed an action of native defenders of mariupol prisoners of war taking place on maidan nezalezhnosti, here today they are talking about all the formations of the armed forces of ukraine, about conscripts, about the national guard, about border guards, and we have the opportunity to talk with ms. natalia epifanova, she is one of the organizers of the action. and a native aunt of one of the defenders of the prisoners of war of mariupol, spain lesya chebotyreva, she is the mother of the defender of the prisoners of war i congratulate you, mrs. natalya, the first question will be for you, as the aunt of a prisoner of war, tell us what was the last message we received from our nephew on march 9, we

lost contact with him and to this day we have no contact with him, but at the end of april we found out that the military unit told us that he is in captivity because of it. it was an incredible joy for us, no matter how cynical it sounds. well, for 7 months now we have not had contact with our nephew, have we seen the nephew in the photo or on the video published by russian propaganda resources? no we have not seen anyone in any photo or video, and we just hope that this information that he is in captivity is true, because it is recorded and in a criminal case, so we are hoping, hoping and waiting for his international organizations to receive any

messages about the fact that your nephew is in captivity or is somewhere with militants, that he was captured and could not yet join the soldiers, that's why the red cross did not inform us about the red cross, it no longer informs the relatives of those who were evacuated from azovstali, my nephew got there before the evacuation of azovstali, and that is why the red cross does not confirm how the organizer will have a question, tell me how many people came to the action today, from which areas relatives came today , kharkiv region and donbas, donetsk region and kyiv, and i think we have gathered about 300 people and we

decided to unite. we decided to declare and tell the world community that our soldiers were captured defending not only the freedom of ukraine but also the security and values ​​of the whole of europe. we appealed to international organizations, to the governments of european countries, our soldiers are now fighting to the death for your values, for ours and your values, for our common european values, find political solutions, find solutions that could help exchange our prisoners of war . we have sufficient exchange fund a-a what are your general demands for shares today e-e what do you want from the international

community and what appeals a-a address to our ukrainian politicians we separately want to address to the international committee of the red cross, they are the only single organization within the framework of the geneva conventions and international humanitarian law, which must be effective. prisoners of war are tortured by hunger, hunger, lack of medicine, we demand from the red cross that it fulfills its duty in accordance with the conventions, because no matter how

to think only russia, having failed to defeat our soldiers in battle, punishes them insidiously and kills them in captivity. we want the organization of the united nations with the red international committee of the red cross, after all , we have already started to feel alarmed, we will ask ms. lesya chebotyrev another question and she is the mother of a captured conscript, mrs. lesi. i congratulate you. tell me what was the last message you received from your son. the last time i spoke with my son was on march 21. he called me sometime after lunch. will be remembered i am standing looking at the sea of ​​azov . mom, i, we were in the garden yesterday at work, a friend was wounded in the legs by shrapnel, i helped him

to answer, we hid, climbed in, there were drillers, but he says that a woman crawled up to us from the basement, helped us, and we were safe in the basement. we found what did they find? they bandaged the child's legs with rags. oh, everything is fine. he is fine. he is alive . they say she has children here, we don't hungry, mom, everything will be fine, ukraine, he really dreamed of me to serve in the army, he slept with the

flag of ukraine from the age of 14. or he will just stay because he liked the city very much. on may 17, he went out with everyone by order. for the last time, we wanted to appeal to the red cross to the representatives of the un. one demand is to release the prisoners, everyone, to release our children as soon as possible. thank you, ms. lesya, colleagues. i'm sorry, we can't tell you all the stories, there are a lot of them today, we're forced to go to the shelter . i'll give you the ether . partial mobilization is in full swing , which is actually not partial

mobilization at all, and for some reason russians are fleeing their own country from mobilization and a war that they do not even recognize, our journalists wrote a cool story let's take a look at it. many kilometers of queues at the borders of traffic jams at airports and crowded hotels, some in cars and some on bicycles and scooters. armenia, kyrgyzstan, belarus and kazakhstan, i like this place there, and the caspian sea, yes, we are friends in the 18th year. and this is already the border with kazakhstan, a queue of many kilometers cars and just pedestrians

are standing in line, the male population of russia is all going to kazakhstan, there is not one girl, well, behind the car, i don’t say how many there are, probably 1000, there is already a line up to troitsky, probably in andrei’s time, three cars are launched, they are popular with russian fugitives, even mongolia is used by the country’s ex-president this hibakhdosh even recorded a video message in which he accused the mastermind of the destruction of ethnic national minorities, in particular the residents of buryatia, so you are such vmykyi, whom the kremlin uses as cannon fodder and called russian men to flee to his country i have a simple message for president putin stop the war it's time to restore peace my heart breaks into pieces when i see russia drowning in a sea of ​​fear and tears after you

started this war your mobilization has brought an ocean of suffering because of the sharp a jump in demand, air ticket prices have soared, at the same time eu countries are in no hurry to accept russians, their borders have already been closed, poland and the baltic states are also considering such a step, finland, the czech republic do not plan to automatically grant refugee status to russians men who are fleeing mobilization, instead , germany and the netherlands are considering such a possibility, according to media reports, by the end of september, the russians may completely prohibit leaving the country without permission from the military commissariat. will grant the status of refugees to the russians, they will in fact equalize and put a sign of equality between the citizens of the aggressor country and the citizens of the country that was attacked

who became a victim of this aggression. it seems to me that this is not quite fair. well, let's continue with us . refat chubarov, the head of the forest of the crimean tatar people, refatag. congratulations. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. good day, oleksandr. i don't know. have you seen this story here? your reaction to the fact that the russians are fleeing to where and now all the countries where there are gaps for them to flee , germany and holland are even going to give them official refugee status, that is, to equate them with our russian men who were yesterday shouted russia during the period, and we can repeat it, didyvaya vali, and on berlin, equalized in status with our women, who with their children at the beginning of spring were forced to leave ukraine from ukraine to a country of the european union. is this fair in your opinion? well, frankly, i wouldn't care uh, about who i want to take care of the fates of citizens

of russia, russia itself, if this uh process would not have been uh, well, the number of ukrainian citizens and residents of the temporarily occupied crimea who are trying to avoid forced mobilization to of the russian army by leaving crimea, well, you understand what with the occupation of the kherson and zaporozhye regions. now, after february 24, there is no way to leave crimea except through the territory of russia itself, responding to the call of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, to the repeated appeals to the mosque of the crimean tatar people, now

thousands and thousands. i want all the thousands and thousands of citizens of ukraine, residents of the temporarily occupied crimea, to note that they have already crossed the borders of third countries, or even directly to them through the territory of russia. and here, too, the situation is like this that er most of them can only get to kazakhstan yesterday er on the evening of september 30 according to our data there are already somewhere no less than er and a half thousand citizens of ukraine who are already in kazakhstan , they are all vulnerable in terms of documents no you are adults all ukrainian documents but, as a rule, these are internal passports of citizens of ukraine, some of them may have expired. you showed there that russians, uh, uh, uh, are fleeing from the war of their country

, that is, declared by their state against us, against ukraine, and they are fleeing to men, men, and allegedly they don't have women, well, it's possible, but i want to say that in our case, when it comes to conscript men, that is, they are such young or middle-aged men, and they all practically have families with our crimean tatars. well, few people can decide to decide on that to e-e leave the family and e-e they take away the minor children of the wives and the number of these people has become even more, that is, i wanted to say that according to this stream of e-e those who are now e-e looking for citizens of russia who are running away from their country instead of to stop

our government is small in scale and real, but it is very painful for us, this is a part of our compatriots who are now crossing the border of russia with kazakhstan in order to get to the mainland or ukraine to come here, but there are a lot of questions about how we will do it purely physically. how this should be done first, and secondly, take the example of kazakhstan . of the occupied territories, so that it is possible to update them, or something like that, thank you very much for this question, i can say that the evaluation of the work of the diplomatic missions of

ukraine abroad is about those countries where ukrainian citizens end up, which is avoiding mobilizations into the russian army are entering these countries. i would appreciate it very positively that we interact with them, but as always this is a ukrainian word. but after which there will be a list of many problems , but they do not have enough resources bureaucratic procedures on many issues, the issues of the ministry of foreign affairs, they are only part of the problems. there are a lot of issues that go to the state migration service to the ministry of justice, to the border guards to the ministry of internal affairs. the

problem is that today i had to meet with the representation of the european union in ukraine in order to ask them to join the e-e avoidance of the humanitarian disaster in kazakhstan, there are already one and a half thousand citizens of ukraine. i told the citizens of ukraine there are young children and many of them are women, and some of the people have run out of funds, because it is a very long, long road, if i tell you what this forced trip and these bribes at the border cost the russian border guards let them into kazakhstan and so on and so on, that is very terrible. in other words, we are already asking the international organization to help them.

from the point of view, there is no roof over the head, food , warm clothes, many items of personal hygiene, medicine, because all this is gone , and the people in the literal sense are already more than 100 people. they stay on the street, because there in kazakhstan , as a result of this cosmic scale, russians who cross over and run from their homeland there to kazakhstan can no longer rent housing and so on, very briefly, we have one minute , literally, refeta gas. please tell me if they are residents of the occupied territory could not be avoided mobilization, he ended up on the territory of ukraine in a russian military uniform. what should be the algorithm and, if i am not mistaken, human rights defenders emphasize that these people are victims of a war crime, in fact, because residents of the occupied

territories cannot be mobilized, this is not conventional, this is a direct violation of the geneva convention of 1949, but you know short ones, and by the way, the president also spoke before that, everything was written out to the mitlis, except for the tsarist people, as soon as they were on the territory of mainland ukraine, they should look for the first opportunity to put down your arms and go over to the side of the armed forces of ukraine from there. everything will be normal according to the laws and the person will save his life. and god grant his dignity, mr. fata, we will continue our discussion a little more about what is happening in crimea now in general. and what about those crimean tatars who remain in crimea, what problems are they living there now, and what does their life look like? during this partial or global mobilization, i am asking for 10 days five ago