with nothing for one mission, they go to be the guards of the captured territories, they go without any skills to be the guards of those trenches, such as those in which regular russian units and those mobilized from donetsk and luhansk have already been destroyed by the armed forces of ukraine by the first and second waves, i mean february and march of this year, this is the reason and what is actually happening at the front. thank you, mr. valentin , valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine , we talked with us about the future of the occupied territories about the fact that we will definitely release them now with a short pause and then again a whole hour of analysis with vitaly pornik events the most important events events that are happening right now and affect our lives of course the news feed

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in particular, what we talked about earlier with the guests and a few other important we also prepared a discussion of the events of the event, so ah, i propose to start with putin’s speech, which was discussed for a long time during the week, he also announced the annexation of four ukrainian regions at the same time, not even capturing them completely in your opinion, what is important did he say? considers it his war against ukraine, and by the way, i want to remind you that the events of may 2013 - 2014 looked exactly like that , at first it was believed that these were some radical

movements in the center of kyiv, and then when it became clear that the uprising had covered almost the entire country that at present at the moment, the regime of yanukovych cannot do anything about it, that it is necessary to fight for the survival of this regime, a conversation began about the fact that it is the entire united states and even the arrival of western diplomats, who, in principle, unlike the russian leadership, called on the president of ukraine and other ukrainian leaders to talk with the participants of the protests to the consensus, the accords in the kremlin were characterized as the fact that they come to incite the opponents, remember the story with victoria novan's cookies and that's when it turned out that yanukovych could not restrain the protest movement and another concept appeared that we will signal to the west that it will not succeed in seizing these countries that we consider our sphere of influence or our future territory, we will signal crimea, then donbas, do you remember that after the annexation of crimea, the then president of the united states, barack

obama vladimir called putin several times and urged him not to enter the ukrainian mainland, threatening serious sanctions against the russian federation. putin ignored these warnings because he believed that everything was the opposite, that he had to signal, and bam and obama should understand that there is no way to give up support for the participants of the coup d'état in kyiv, and i repeat that the ukrainian leadership did not regard it as a subject of victory, it believed that it was negotiating with the united states, the same thing is happening now, only this is already undebated, this is a conflict and he may believe that donetsk annexation of luhansk , kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, he thus continues to signal to the enemy, the enemy believes that he can take away the territories of historical russia, the enemy believes that he can create a government in kyiv that will be under the control of the united states, so for now we will take kherson,

zaporizhia, luhansk, donetsk region from this government, this is our first signal if the americans will not push this government to surrender to us we continue we continue the annexation we continue the war and by the way, i would like one more important point for us to see in this story with the annexation. it is even the most important. look, when crimea was annexed, they were basically talking about russian territory which completely unfairly became a part of ukraine, but all other territory is the territory of ukraine and this territory is simply captured by the damned nazis, fascists, nationalists, banderites , petlyurites, not knowing now, from the point of view of russian official ideology, four regions of ukraine have already been liberated from nazis and fascists according to putin's idea, if in principle considered would the possibility of the very existence of the ukrainian state, the first thing

he would do, he would not sign the agreement on the accession of these territories to the russian federation he would return there the legitimate government of ukraine headed by viktor yanukovych mykola azarov they should have appeared there either in donetsk or in kherson somewhere where a legitimate administration was supposed to be formed the president of ukraine arrived and appealed to the government of the russian federation i am asking you to send troops into the territory of ukraine i want ukraine to join the csto i want ukraine to join the eurasian union tripartite meeting with the presidents of russia ukraine and belarus vladimir putin viktor yanukovych oleksandr lukashenko all this was possible to do the truth would create an alternative ukraine and south korea. here in the south, in south korea , the president is a protégé of the americans, zelensky , who seized power through a coup d'état . 73% of the voters voted for him during the elections, and in the northern chorus, the protégé of kimersem , that is, yanukovych, who was brought to to a sealed wagon. by the way, do you remember who was a kimer or a captain of the soviet army in general? well, in the first

years of its existence, so this boy who now rules north korea is the grandson of the soviet an officer and not at all a monarch, so in this sense, in this sense, he could do so, but in his political mind there is simply no ukraine. ukraine is such a misunderstanding. and he does not need it and he simply joins four regions of ukraine to the russian federation and i remember this famous story, which was considered a legend, that once alexander lukashenko, at a meeting with him , discussed the issue of uniting russia in belarus into a real united union and what this state should look like, and here putin is telling you какой союзной государство просоединяйтессь с россии областьятыами, i.e. you have russian regions, they can be joined to the russian federation . then let's call it some northwestern federal district, let's say, that is, when putin

talks about the fact that he does not want to recreate the soviet union, he is not on lukavets, because he started it is important. the same option, it was noticed that he does not want to recreate the soviet union, they say. but how come he does not want to recreate the soviet union, the soviet union, denis of such a political thinking is a mistake because in the soviet union a sham of statehood was created for the peoples of the former russian empire so that they would not disperse as they dispersed in 1917-20 and so that they would not have to occupy their territories later as the red army did. we talk a lot about the soviet union we do not understand that it was an occupation, an occupation of ukraine as well, and that by and large the bolsheviks had to fight the uprisings of the peoples they occupied for many years, the four soviet union that we are talking about we are talking about some kind of conditional harmonious state for everyone, let there be repressions and the like, but there where the fate of one people did not differ from the fate of another. after the second world

war, until 1941, there was nothing like that. this was russia and the enslaved territories. and he wants to prevent this mistake by simply joining the territory to russia. i can simply tell you clearly that his plans what i am interested in geographically means that the russian federation should include simply as russian regions all regions of ukraine and belarus, if they will be joined from putin's point of view, not if when georgia, armenia, azerbaijan, then they will be as autonomies, like the republic of tatarstan or any republic, what price separately from abkhazia, the southern session of course, this will also be separate, the same can apply to tajikistan, turkmen, uzbekistan, kyrgyz and turkmenistan, but here kazakhstan can be divided

, a large part of kazakhstan will simply become part of the soviet russian federation, and part of kazakhstan will be formed as a republic within the russian federation why because on ethnic russians live in a large part of the republic of kazakhstan, there may be an organized ethnic cleansing of the kazakhs that they moved to areas more populated by kazakhs in the south of this country, and thus there will be a huge russia, russian regions, and here are the russian republics, where russification will take place, in turn, now only in eight of all the russian republics consist more of a population that considers its native language to be the language of the peoples of these republics, this is not much, and there will certainly also be russification of other peoples, but we how is this territory just russia? what is the difference between kyiv oblast and kherson? please tell me if it is donetsk, well, the

majority is ethnic. the majority of the population in donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhya oblasts are ethnic ukrainians. on the ethnic composition of the krasnodar region or, say, rostov region or bryansk region or kursk region or voronezh region if we look at the official population census in these in the russian regions or the belgorod region, we will see that 890% of ethnic russians live there. 86 increased to 90 in the 1989 year . .6%.

if you open the phone book of the city of krasnodar, i used to do it at one time. when there will still be all nakota, you will have ordinary cossack surnames. what happened, they simply declared ethnic ukrainians ethnic russians and did not even get rid of these ethnic ukrainians. if we talk about kuban, native language, which is declared cossack dialect there. i remember that i came to krasnodar, met with the captain of the kuban cossack army of the grave, and i was then in krasnodar as a correspondent of the russian service of radio svoboda, and here i am thinking what should i do with material for the ukrainian radio svoboda services, but it should be switched to ukrainian. i didn't want to sit and translate this interview. he speaks with you in our cossack dialect. well,

i think mykhailo will at least listen to how it sounds. and i can speak ukrainian. well, i understand this language. well , i’m definitely asking you the first question here. the person answers me in pure ukrainian literary language. that’s not even the case. de-electisms that can be heard in some regions of ukraine it's just a literary person knows the ukrainian literary language, just knows it, just communicates with it and i'm not after 30 minutes of this communication i say i'm sorry but it's ukrainian he says no it our bride, well, how is it written in the passport of the atamat-gorom as an ethnic russian, how is his wife, his children, who can also speak ukrainian, as russians, that is, in fact, you know, this is a national hoax, and just such a hoax can be created in any to the ukrainian region to announce that everyone who lives there is a russian. and those who advocate a program of

political ukrainianism they should either be expelled or destroyed or assimilated or intimidated by the first peasant poet of ukraine in essence there was a great russian peasant poet of the ukrainian people, mykhailo koltsov, he published, he published, he wrote poems in the ukrainian language, it happened in the city of voronezh, and he recorded that people there were talking about hockey, and such and such was absolutely peculiar there, but the ukrainian language arose because ukrainians lived there now the question is where are these ukrainians now, have they disappeared somewhere, died no , they are the same people there, they can even communicate with this language in this dialect, it's just that the russian federation ignores it well, that's what i'm talking about and i say that this is a vivid image of such a vinnist consciousness. why, when i talk about kazakhstan, i insist so much on the fact that i remember the work of the russian writer oleksandr salzhanitsyn, the troubadour of this

russian shovlenism, who spoke about the fact that in the future, the russian state of the beautiful russia of the future should be russia ukraine, belarus and a part of the expanded kazakhstan well, i just remembered it because i see that those who eat them are ready to act according to this pseudo-political program, and you said that then ukraine will be annexed as oblasts oblasts are not ukraine oblasts ukrainian oblasts will be annexed to russia by pseudo-republics such as the dpr and lpr, which what is the difference, they just called the ukrainian oblasts republics, they work, well, they will be called the dpr in the constitution, but you cannot be called the donetsk luhansk oblast, you understand. if they to include them in the russian federation as people's republics, it will be very funny, they have never done such a thing, they are from 43 or

44, i don't remember 9 00 were included the tuvan people's republic of the russian federation was a quasi-independent state, but they did not call it the people's republic. it was incorporated into russia as an autonomous region of the russian federation. they called it the stolinsk autonomous region. if they are now part of the russian federation, there will be the price of a people's republic , then the question will arise: why? let's say the republic of karachay-cherkessia is not a people's republic, but the donetsk people's republic is a people's republic, what is the difference? i think they will include them as regions, what if they proclaimed that they still had a different idea then, not to integrate these republics into the russian federation, but to join ukraine to these republics. well, of course, they wanted to spread the regime that they created in donetsk and luhansk to the entire territory of ukraine, of course, or most of ukraine, newcomers, you remember you know, it was a fragment of the novorossiya project, now it's

just a rudiment, a rudiment, well, again, we have to see what the constitutional court of the russian federation will write in the constitution as and what as it will recommend to write all this there and i think in a few days everything will be clear, it will be clear at the meeting of the state duma of russia when it will make such decisions, but i am out of the other ear with discounts , please, why are you interested in people, if putin recognizes the independence of the kherson region, i this is how it sounds in general from the point of view of the right of justice of the president of the russian federation, so if he recognizes the independence of the kherson region by a special decree, he does not seem like an idiot to himself, but at this moment when he signs everything, that is, what is the difference what will the constitutional court of russia say? i mean , we will just see how they will write in the constitution. there is still a su in the russian federation. there is the donetsk people's republic or the donetsk oblast or the luhansk oblast .

after all, when they annexed crimea, crimea was called the republic as part of ukraine, and there was a supreme council that made decisions about the independence of crimea. and somehow it looked normal. well, independent when kherson declares its independence the region is a region in which there is not even a legitimate administration, because the person who signs the agreement with putin is a schmalde, he is not elected by anyone, he is a person who is known for having lost the election of the mayor of kherson, this is a person who does not enjoy popular support even within the framework of one city in he was appointed the head of the administration of the kherson region by the occupation authorities, not in any normal country , even those that are going to annex foreign

territory, at least try to engage with the support of political figures and public figures and use the authority of the population, and here the exact opposite thing is done, we pull out the drawers of marginal people whom you respect even your own countrymen. by the way, in crimea, with the action that was never conquered, it had no real support among the inhabitants of crimea, it is like this the gauleiter himself or saldo in kherson or this prudish balitsky who leads his zaporozhians of the zaporizhia minister or these pushylins with beekeepers who came to power in general i want to remind you as a result of coups in these people's republics themselves , because they held fake elections with zakharchenko and plotnytska, and then plotnytska killed er zakharchenko was plotnytskyi, where did they go? there was a boy , he went somewhere, and this is a good question.

an incomprehensible person comes to the authorities, whom no one really elected to this position at the beginning of his stay, even in luhansk, he was simply appointed some official and this person can make a decision on the annexation of the territory to another state, it looks like this, i am saying from the point of view of law, from the point of view of justice, it all looks comical, even more comical looks the behavior of the head of the constitutional court of the russian federation valery zarytina, i will honestly tell you that i at all i believe that if there is ever a trial of two war criminals, he should sit with putin and then live out his days in a prison cell, because he actually shows complete disregard for his duty in court of the constitutional court of the russian federation, it is absolutely obvious that the accession to the russian federation of the autonomous republic of crimea, the cities of sevastopol, donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions contradicts the constitution of the russian federation, in one of the articles of which, in the first chapter, it is absolutely clear that the international

obligations of the russian federation have priority over any domestic by decisions of the authorities of the russian federation, the international obligations of the russian federation are required from the russian federation for the federation to respect the territorial integrity of ukraine, this does not mean that the russian federation could not have relations with some separatist entities on the territory of ukraine. this is not a question of the constitution, it is a question of political will and leadership, which believes that russia should support some of the peoples of donbas and crimea who are offended by the ukrainian regime and she supports them there, we send humanitarian aid. well, how does she do it with transnistria? that is, this is a common, flagrant violation of all normal order in general things, but this is not a question of constitutional law, this is not a question of the constitutional court of the russian federation. but such things are a question of the constitutional court of the russian federation. i can say absolutely clearly that vladimir putin and the deputies of the state duma of the federation council who vote for all this are violators of the constitution, but they

should have been stopped by the constitutional court because they, in principle, the head of state and deputies can make any decision at any time, it does not correspond to the constitutional right. they specially they created a constitutional court that should give an expert opinion from the hill if he was a real lawyer and not just a boy who ran around with vladimir putin, he should have really said that this is not true, the unified court of russia had to make a similar decision back in 2013, well, of course, this could not happen, but i'm just saying that when the judges judge zorka, i don't expect it to happen. this will all have to be said, this will all have to be explained, because hmm, i'll say it again in the parliament, they can vote for anything . some decision and send it for examination in our parliament has also been in this situation a huge number of times, but when the constitutional court does not stand guard over the constitution, we can talk about the complete degradation of the state itself, and volodymyr zelenskyi is absolutely right when he

says that with this accession, russia itself turned into itself to the dpr of the lpr because russia, as a state in which any constitutional right exists at all, does not exist as far as i am concerned in 2014 , and in 2022 it has only confirmed all the worthlessness and inefficiency of its state institutions, and this must also be said when we talk about this annexation. russia has again blocked the decision of the un regarding the condemnation of this annexation. yes, the security council is actually happening again. is there any mechanism that could still exclude russia from the security council? the un if it blocks these decisions. i think that the whole point of the existence of the un security council is that there are legitimate nuclear states in the un security council that can, through the right of application, replace the

use of nuclear weapons by the un security council for this is why a mechanism was created that would allow otherwise to ignore acting in the un security council, the use of nuclear weapons is very simple, if the russian federation uses nuclear weapons, it will destroy a couple of cities there, destroy several million people, lead to the third world war, then after this third world war ends with the another result of the country where the winners of the 30th war, on the ruins of the current world, create a new security council, in which these states will already walk, which will leave nuclear potential, of course, the main the topic of this un security council for the next ten years will be overcoming the consequences of this world war trinity talking about radiation sickness it will be a completely different civilization i am one and a half less from the point of view of the population of course but interesting but it is hoped that we will not see it that we will live in this civilization, so when they talk about the reform of the un security council, as i always say, i consider the un security council and the united nations to be the most effective

organizations in the history of mankind, simply because humanity exists because the use of nuclear weapons without fuses i mean precisely the presence of nuclear weapons without fuses that could become a reality after the second world war could have already destroyed humanity a thousand times what we after the emergence of uh therapy- theoretical weapons which can destroy our entire civilization, we have existed for 80 years after that, this is a great achievement of the organization of the united tent, you cannot put up golden monuments that you and i will also live to the age of our grandfathers and parents there, we will die our own death ion will exist and the un security council russia will impose on it, it means everything is okay if not well , it means that all this did not work and it is possible that nuclear blackmail is used by russia - it will count, but for now these are words, i repeat, when there will be actions, it will be completely different the story will be the story of the lies of un security and not about this

otherness, this will be the story, well, the league of nations should have existed before the second world war, when the second world war began, the league of nations disappeared, and it arose out of the need for a new structure, we must understand it's just that what's happening now is a continuation of the events after the second world war, when two democratic states, the united states and great britain, won as the main members of the coalition, and together with them, a totalitarian regime that was no different from the reich was among the winners. which received huge benefits from this victory, both internal and external , and this regime, as we can see, was not defeated by military means, it was never defeated in the cold war, which did not prevent it from reviving , reviving already in a few years, you can say in 10 years, even on a limited territory, but you are in a much more aggressive form than those regimes that existed on the territory of russia after the death of josaphatal, at least after the caribbean crisis of 56

, for sure . the first world war turned into the third, into the second, the second can still turn into the third, what is this historical, absolutely possible version of the development of events, we just need to make efforts now, and this , by the way, is what the ukrainian army is doing to er the war between russia and ukraine did not turn into this 30 world war that it was the end of the second because if russia collapses the current putin's russia it will be the end of the second world war because once again you say the west won the cold war - this is a complete delusion because it is not a military one victory is a political and economic victory, when you defeat the enemy by political and economic means , nothing happens to him, you also help him to be reborn, as you know, and victory in what sense

will this be a way out of our territory for the 91st year this is already a man of war accepting a donation no it is not to moscow a military victory it means that it has become i will become clear the helplessness of the russian armed forces will collapse this regime economic political military and the new russian government will be forced to accept the conditions of the economic political civilized world conditions not what you all know become on your knees and jump off the mountain and why should you create fair institutions or you should have fair courts and political competition fair press that masha simanyan with solovyov and kiselyov will to sit in prison while participating in the war, which will be a good inoculation for all those who will work in the russian media. in the next decades, what should you provide

the opportunity for self-realization to the peoples of russia? your history textbooks if you want help or your history textbooks don't be delusional about what a great country you all contributed culture to, how there are no ukrainians and belarusians, do you understand this program , this is, relatively speaking, the marshal's plan for russia statehood not nations well, they heal the nation by improving state institutions, this is democracy, this is freedom of speech, a fair judicial system, competition, an honest history, the absence of prohibitions in propaganda. program by the way , i would recommend what i recommended back in the 90s to the people of borysoy, they did not agree with me for nothing, i offered him a law on withdrawal from the subjects on

the exclusion of subjects of the federation from the federation it was during the chechen war that if referendums are held on the territory of the chechen republic and on the territory of the entire russian federation, the participants of which are in favor of excluding entities from the russian federation, the entity has the right to leave the russian federation by mutual consent of the parties, then the chechen republic must become independent a state recognized as russian, but otherwise , if the majority of russians will vote for it, not only chechens, we will see. i am sure that it was possible to hold such a referendum. i am sure that then after 90% of russians, we voted for exclusion or not, and then well, but then when the chechens vote, they should know a simple thing: is it a border or is it visas