for two hours in the company of our favorite presenters , lina is ready to talk about culture during the war, or something else that many have become like, maybe the weather will give us some optimism, mrs. natalka didenko is ready to tell us, and we will also have a distinguished guest of the studio today, volodymyr hryshko , if everything goes well, events days in two hours , vasyl's big broadcast in winter, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening, naispresso, good evening. we are from ukraine. the capital, at the same time when muscovy deported 18 thousand greeks from the crimea, they settled in the azov region and named the town mariupol. during the two years of occupation, the

nazis turned the city into a scorched desert and the very next day after the liberation, the people of mariupol began to rebuild the city, what the russian invaders are doing to mariupol even dreamed of to the nazis, but the free land sanctified by blood will never surrender to the enemy who does not understand how to fight for freedom. mariupol is unconquered, there are no more contradictions, there is one nation that protects its there are no more countries of the first, second and third world, there is a civilization that repels the aggressor, there are no more foreign cities and foreign children, there is a homeland and parents for everyone, there are no more

soldiers and civilians, we are hardened in the flames , we are united for the sake of victory, we do not believe in our faithful struggle in our victory, we are unbreakable. good health was again small. we have self-advertisement here and now we continue our broadcast, but if suddenly someone has a question as a result of what we are talking about here, more precisely, i will tell you on you can ask a question on the facebook page, and at 4:40 p.m., that is, in 40, 38 minutes, i will start answering the most interesting questions. some questions are already coming in, and i am happy about it, and i already know the answer to at least the first three that came in, but i still don’t know, i

can’t say, but let's talk about nato volodymyr gorbach, political analyst, institute of euro-atlantic cooperation, contact us, mr. volodymy, see you, good health, have a good day. well, look, this is some kind of scam, what was it? when it was said that let's accept us into nato, this this is psychological pressure on nato, this is a well-thought-out position - this is a prepared position after negotiations, let's say with biden yes, and he said, well, you submit it, we will not say anything right away, but you have to submit it somehow, a little, god, please sober up mr. putin, who is grabbing some territories here at least says about this what is your version well my version lies on the surface it is obvious it had nothing to do with joseph

biden moreover and most likely there was no consultation well at least in this game the day before adoption of such a decision. this was the response of the reaction of the ukrainian authorities to the events in moscow. it was, well, such a reaction at the symbolic level. it tried to annex the occupied ukrainian territories by the russian federation. that is, it was and must be perceived as a complete refusal , at the same time as a refusal to negotiate with putin imposed sanctions on all russian property in ukraine , that is, in principle, this is an application, so to speak , a letter of appeal from the current political power of ukraine to nato with a clear declaration that we we want to be a member of nato, which means that we will not negotiate with the russians on this issue, because if we look at six months, we will look back at six months, then at the beginning of

this active phase of the war, the russian attack on ukraine at the end of february, there were negotiations. as we know, arkhamia headed a delegation there, he went to homin, then to istanbul, and there the issues of non-aligned status were discussed, for example, is neutrality not some kind of neutrality, that is, now this letter basically says that this negotiating position there is no longer a negotiating position with the russians, it is no longer possible, there is no way back. why am i positive now , er, towards this letter, because the ukrainian authorities have put their signatures under this idea, now there is no way back for them, and they must now move and we, together with them, the whole country is in the right direction to the west. and tell me, can we add to the complex that you are talking about the

russian actions of the ukrainian resistance and all this to yesterday's bombing of belbek, because for some reason i associate it with the fact that it is not enough that we are cutting off to myself the option is not so much in the statement, we also show, well, at least about this. i think, i think, zelensky thought that we are not afraid of anything, we say that we are going to nato and bomb the belbek government airport near sevastopol, and we wanted to spit on all of you there, any thoughts that we we are afraid of someone here. well, to be honest, yesterday i myself was very enamored with the picture of this smoke nana-nana-over the bilbek, it was really a beautiful sight that only emphasized all, if not all, the aesthetic advantages of the crimean coast and the beautiful the ukrainian crimea of ​​our nature, at least at

least, but then it turned out that this smoke was from the explosion of weapons and ammunition from the plane of a russian plane that missed a little on the runway, as it were. well, according to the version that i... it was a russian plane that crashed, it went over the runway and for some reason suddenly it also exploded with ammunition and that is why there were such fireworks salutes salutes that is, if er-er to stick to your opinion p mykola that the ukrainian authorities are involved in this somewhere, probably this pilot of a russian plane is an act of all interests, but i think that i do not rule out that it is possible that it was also a mistake, eh, eh, eh, well, then, good news, mr. volodymyr, when the pilot cannot land the plane, i congratulate the pilots of the russian federation more of such pilots, by the way, this means that they have a shortage of pilots and they are actively

measuring them, well, the exchange of pilots, so to speak , is taking place here. the pilot was exchanged for ukrainian pilots, in principle , this is a phenomenon, er, it exists on both sides, pilot and pilot, planes are shot down, pilots are ejected and then they are exchanged but as we see now russian pilots, well, many more of them are obviously being shot down and they have a shortage of e- he is an experienced pilot. but why are you right, mr. mykola, this is independent of belbek now. and the same story happened in liman yesterday, because liman is an administrative division, it is the donetsk oblast, ukrainian ukraine, which was declared independent. well, first of all there uh was recognized by the russians, and then later they were introduced into the

russian federation. and in a few minutes, she entered the russian state with russian logic and after a few hours left the russian federation physically due to the dismissal from the dismissal of the former red liman , now you can to call a clean estuary what a cleaned estuary, the cleaning of this city ended today, that's why, in principle, this was the answer to the russian decision there, all these ceremonies and concerts on red square or red square ukraine will not count with any internal decisions of the russian side to consider ukrainian territories as russian. for us, it will not matter. volodymyr, one more question, a very important question, and in principle, this is the road. well, okay, the barrier opens, and mr. zelensky enters there with a piece of

paper. where it is written, we want in nato, information from our foreign embassies to their own ministries, and the ukrainian nation wants to join nato, and a sociological study, etc., etc. says that in a year or two there will definitely be some kind of accelerated procedure, or maybe even without a procedure, nato nuclear countries like britain, the united states, i do not hope for france, although who knows , they say that we are opening our nuclear umbrella over ukraine, despite the fact that they are not yet members of nato and it is not distributed to them beyond the fifth article on aid and so on. that is, what is this shift from the word

movement ? is it simple? well, we announced it, ok, they announced. not 10 and 30 30 presidents and the prime minister - they said that something is missing, what else do you say if it is, that is, it is a symbolic gesture, eh? well , it has some obvious added value, but it is not worth eh. the whole thing well, in this symbolic gesture to convey some overly exaggerated meaning regarding the procedure er, somewhere from the end of the 90s, it seems from the washington one. it is here that nato's procedure for accepting new members was defined a-a action plans regarding the membership of the pdc so -called which in ukraine he e is called and e-e all the last members of nato who have already joined this organization have implemented this action plan - the action plan for membership, this is the procedure and the procedure is such that the president, the head of state

, the head of the government and the head of the parliament send a joint letter to the alliance headquarters and ask to provide them with a this action plan regarding membership was made in ukraine in january 2008 under the signatures of president yushchenko, prime minister tymoshenko and speaker of the parliament arseniy yatsenyuk , then there was such and such an appeal, such a letter was requested, and the current letter was actually re-signed with zelenskyi stefanchuk and shmygal, it does not contain any mention of the pdc, that is, this letter is already asking for an expedited procedure. there is an example - this is the procedure for entering finland in sweden, which, in fact, by the express method, bypasses the pdc procedure. er and quite successfully with er so far, well, of the 30 members of the alliance, they have not ratified er, well, that is,

they have not made a final formalized the final decision regarding the admission of these two new members, only two countries are turkey and hungary. they er have to do it . well, i i hope to the new year and to the new year er, the members of the alliance will no longer be 30 er countries, but 32 er. so, in principle, ukraine has decided to use this precedent in order to er . in principle, we have those capabilities. well, what they say about military compatibility with the alliance, we have already practically achieved there, and we are implementing more than three hundred nato standards. well, what can we say ? we already have nato weapons and nato shells, and nato communications, and all technical there, we already have

e-e in principle ready to interact even more than in some other nato member states that, in principle, may not even have such an army. well, and so on and so on, that is, oh-oh-oh, a political decision, that is, the most important thing that we need to understand is that in nato , decisions are made through a political decision. the political decision of the entire alliance, they take it and approve it, and the procedures are already changed, they recognize, they do not recognize, they create new ones, this is already the same again, a political decision, and in this case i, of course, i think that the pdc as a format is for ukraine at least it is already obsolete both morally and technically, well, this is redundant, there were several, yes , no, what has not yet matured is the readiness of the alliance to accept ukraine as a full member, there is a readiness to help it, there is a readiness to support it, and a readiness to train our armed

forces even on its territory, but here this moment, mr. volodymyr, we literally have 50 seconds, it’s not that little. by the way, it’s not that much, and the pdc opens the nuclear umbrella, or does it? well, when can we say that we can feel a little better, a little safer from the russian nuclear threat viewers, this is the purpose of the introduction, and the main purpose of this introduction is the fifth article of the washington treaty on joint defense and if a nuclear strike is carried out, if you are asking about it by which of the nato countries, then other countries can consider the question to answer ukraine is so confident about this strike that it has received the pdc, this does not mean that it is under the nuclear umbrella

. not yet ready to fight for ukraine for its territorial integrity and independence. and in the case of ukraine joining nato, we will have to fight. well, if the war does not end, this is the main reason that is currently inhibiting our full-fledged membership is the psychological unpreparedness of western societies to fight on the side of ukraine, we now thank volodymyr gorbacha, a political analyst of the euro-atlantic cooperation institute. thank you, mr. volodymyr , let's move on to the plot here. in 2008, a mass student protest erupted in kyiv, which later became known as revolution on the

border. let's see the plot, then one of the leaders of that revolution will appear, the city and an acquaintance 's letter to her, but for some reason it seems to me that it was at the end of september. maybe it's because i'm a heather. i am interested in the fact that the revolution started in september, but we will definitely ask oles after the story, he definitely remembers it better than i do, because i was only an observer and a journalist, and he was the founder and leader. so, the story is about a revolution on the border revolution on granite was the name given to the student protest hunger strike that lasted from october 2 to october 17, 1990. protesters set up a tent camp on october revolution square, now independence square, blocked traffic and flooded the buildings of shevchenko university. the main initiators and activists of the protest were members of the ukrainian student union in kyiv and kyiv. of the student fraternity in lviv, they were supported by

students from other cities, the head of the student fraternity and vashchyshyn markiyan, why do we demand the appointment of new elections for the spring of 1991 is definitely against the unionists - these are our main demands for which we started the hunger strike. how long will the hunger strike last until we win in the end? the government of vitaly masola however, the students did not want to go to re-elections as required, even the opposition deputies who sympathized with the protest what can we say about the communists who took it to the extreme nervous, at least bypass god, take away the girls, this is the matter of our matter, those who have to give birth to children, although some of the participants of the student maidan went into politics, the action did not succeed in

politically rebooting ukraine. the power remained in the hands of the communist nomenclature, which after august 24, 1991 was quickly repainted. however, the revolution on the granite laid the culture of political protest on its soil later there were two maidans that prevented ukraine from slipping into a dictatorship and the sphere of russian influence yes yes i remember i remember something did not volunteer yet oles to her yes, i remember those days because i was just in lviv, where i am now . and here they just removed the monument to lenin near the opera house and i visited various leaders of chernovil. i don't think he was there his deputies came here, we were walking, we were with tim tim hewell, and with the bbc, the val-service, i was then working in

turkey for the russian service of the bbc. state national state i.e. when there is a ukrainian state, then the ukrainian service of the bbc can be created. and if it is not there, then it is not there, and once, by the way, thatcher came once, precisely chornovil, whom i mentioned, asked her why there is no ukrainian service, we then talked about it with him, and she answered that we cannot do it there was a soviet union, you don’t need to kill us. we can’t organize it, we just don’t have that kind of money, it’s quite expensive to really create 15 bbc services depending on the 15 countries that were then part of the ussr, and then as it became clear that we also need autonomous ones how much worse is autonomy than the union republic, well, that is,

then no budget of the united kingdom would ever pull uh, union republics, then autonomous, then regions are regions, what was it called then, maybe and now it is called from russia, i don’t remember very well, and we came from lviv in kyiv and saw the first tent. the first one i called was not oles. i think it was just your stamps that you have never seen . lviv is such a hero, unfortunately, he left us, but it was him too, by the way. was responsible for this one the red building of the university, which was captured at the time and i was just a witness, i went under the red building, i just saw marik and i saw students barricading themselves in the red building, but to say yes and

the main thing is not even what the students put up. the main thing is that after some time a huge number of students' supporters appeared ordinary people started oh , we have something. as you noticed, we don't have light. i hope it's not a flight, i really hope that it didn't fly to us anywhere. but i can be heard and they tell me that since they can hear me, that's me i have to keep talking and i can easily do it. we arrived and i and i. well, here they tell me not to stress here, we have many officials in ukraine for local management. it is regulated by a special law , do not pay is established on the basis of legislative acts, in particular the law of ukraine on

local self-government and other legal acts, it is in the bonuses that all the bureaucratic adventure is hidden, and it is there that they receive the lion's share of the desired reward , usually dishonest, but the reward for their suffering, as they call it, and faithful service in their positions. we decided to check the salaries of local officials and their bonuses. we will also start with bila tserkva in kyiv region to show how much local officials officially earn. and by indexation, more than uah 56,000 were calculated, unlike the mayor, his first deputy has a salary of uah 14,100, the bonus is the same as in novogrebelsk in may were paid more than uah 48,000, meanwhile, in kremenchuk, the

salaries of the mayor and his deputies remain visibly high, for example, the mayor vitaly maletskyi was paid more than uah 75,000 in june, of which uah 13,000 was a salary of more than 19,000 allowances. and almost uah 25,000 in bonuses was paid to his deputy olga uvanova for june, in the amount of uah 119,000, taking into account financial aid for rehabilitation, it was most difficult to find information about the salary of the mayor of poltava , oleksandr mamai, because the city council refused provide data on his income, the last settlement letter of the mayor of poltava dated october 2021. then he was charged uah 87,361 per month for the salary of an official who are subjects of public law and a priori cannot belong to information with limited access, it is public if

the subject of the inquiry is public an activist or other natural person or citizen of ukraine wants to inquire about the salary of the mayor of a particular city, he has the right to do so. in july, the mayor of lviv, andriy sadovoy, was charged almost 75,000 uah of wages, of which the official salary is more than 12.5 thousand hryvnias, 32,800 bonuses, and this despite the fact that in 2020 the gardener himself assured that until the end of the quarantine, and he still works for all the deputies and he himself, the bonus will not be charged, but probably the record holder and among the salaries deputy garden table iryna marunyak for july, she was charged more than uah 147,000, it all depends on the sick imagination of a person who encroaches on this or that amount, as of today, it can reach 50-150,000 uah per

month tools of influence on the part of citizens in relation to unscrupulous officials, there is a statement about the commission of a crime against one or another official, if the prosecutor's office, as a result of an inspection as a result of an individual statement about the commission of a crime, finds that the official received an allowance, this is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment from 5 to 12 years inclusive. self-government the day before, the espresso tv channel sent a request to receive public information, and almost 79,000 uah were charged to the former mayor of kyiv vitaliy klichka of them, the official salary is more than 68,000 and about ten thousand other payments, some of klitschko's deputies received several times higher salaries

, the most for july was received by valentin mundryivskyi, more than 230 thousand hryvnias, in particular, the official salary is more than 13,000, social benefits and health benefits of 72,000 hryvnias in total more than uah 140,000 , instead, the lowest salary for july was received by two deputies, hanna starostenko and olena govorova, uah 10,750 each, according to the ministry of finance, as of january 2022, the average the salary in ukraine amounted to uah 14,577, and according to the employment website work.ua, the average salary offered to the average ukrainian by employers today is uah 13,771. as early as march, the verkhovna rada limited the salary for officials during martial law in accordance with the draft law. it

should be at the level of 10 minimum wages , but the calculation for local management is regulated by a special law, wages are established on the basis of legislative acts , in particular, the law of ukraine on local self -government and others under regulatory and legal acts, it is in the bonuses that all the bureaucratic adventure is hidden and it is there that they receive the lion's share of the desired reward, usually dishonest, but the reward for their suffering, as they call it, and faithful service in their positions. we decided to check the salaries of local officials and their bonuses as well let's start with bila tserkva, which in the kyiv region, in order to show how much local officials officially earn, we took their calculations for may to the mayor of bila tserkva, gennady dyko due to negligence and indexation, more than

uah 56,000 were accrued, in contrast to the mayor, his first deputy has a salary of uah 14,100, the bonus is the same, and in may, those in novogrebsk accrued more than uah 48,000, while in kremenchuk, the salaries of the mayor and his deputies remain visibly high, for example, for the mayor in june, vitaly maletskyi was paid more than uah 75,000, of which uah 13,000 was the official salary and more than 19,000 allowances. and almost uah 25,000 in bonuses were paid to his deputy olga uvanova for june in the amount of uah 119,000, taking into account financial assistance for recovery. it was most difficult to find information about the salary of the mayor of poltava , oleksandr mamai, because the city council refused to provide data on his income. the last payslip of the mayor of poltava is dated october 2021. at that time, he was charged

uah 87,361 per month, which is subjects of public law a priori cannot belong to information with limited access, it is public information if the subject of the inquiry is a public figure and or another natural person or a citizen of ukraine wants to inquire about the salary of the mayor of a particular city, he has the right to do so in july, the mayor of lviv, andriy sadovoy , was charged almost uah 75,000 in salary, of which the official salary is more than uah 12,500, and a bonus of 32,800, and this despite the fact that in 2020 the gardener himself assured that until the end of the quarantine, he is still working for all deputies and himself