and if they continue like this, we will continue to charge four servers, we will press them there again, and then we will once again find a weak spot from where they got their reserves . already shown twice near kharkov and well there luhansk and if they don't change the common practice here why should we change our successful tactics i said napoleon what are you the enemy doing we need to stop him thank you mr. leonid leonid polyakov military expert former the deputy minister of defense of ukraine is in touch with us and we discussed the topic of annexation with mr.

leonid in e-e among the topics of military actions. of the verkhovna rada on matters of national security and defense and intelligence , the president's representative in the verkhovna rada, and let's go with you mr. fedorova , i congratulate you. you understand and there is the most important point related to how we should act in general from the point of view of international law, especially since there are already crimean precedents, but today we just learned that the constitutional court of the russian federation has made a decision on constitutionality the annexation of ukrainian regions in and about what they can be annexed to russia, as far as possible from the point of view of the future, how can we consolidate our position so that later all these

people can also be held accountable, you know, the pension court of the russian federation does not for the first time gives birth to pearls that are incomparable to any fictions, fantasies were in the work of the head , that is, the constitutional court of the russian federation can justify anything, and i am very interested , you know, how people in the future will even explain to their students, to other colleagues, what they were guided by when they actually recognized by their decisions that part of some region of the russian federation, from the point of view of their logic, it can constantly at any moment declare its independence, and even which part oblasts there, some city, village, village, village united and promoted their independence, that is, in fact, the russian intensive care court destroyed the entire legal structure, whether we think it or not, which existed since the time of the roman empire, whose

descendants , by and large, we have roman law, including the russian legal system, they are now completely leveling it, completely destroying it, but you know, i would like to draw attention to two important aspects : firstly, that all those who accepted are obviously criminals the decisions in this case are not just disgraceful from the point of view of legal casuistry, they are criminal because they violate, first , the united nations charter, which enshrines the basic principles of the formation of the activities of this authoritative organization, and, second, the decisions of the constitutional court, they even contradict the basis of legal regulation of russia itself to this day, that is, the russian pension court, he already paints a completely parallel reality for himself, but what is most important is from the point of view of our perception and our reaction is the same as in the 14th year. and now we must, including you, as journalists who convey your opinion to the citizens of ukraine, we must not

talk about annexia, we as if we admit that the annexation took place, we are talking about an attempt at annexation , which is criminal, illegal, absurd, but in no case about annexation, that is why we stand on the position that the territory of ukraine within the existing borders is integral and inviolable, and this is recognized by all the states of the modern civilized world except there some underdeveloped states that are very far from democracy, all the leaders of western countries, they clearly expressed themselves about these performances held by the russian federation both on its territory and in those temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, therefore, for us, all these actions have no legal consequences do not have, president zelenskyi, addressing the citizens of ukraine and the world community clearly and unambiguously, said that all these actions are legally null and void, that is, the legal nullity consists in or rather

means that they do not and cannot have any legal consequences for anyone, we will win back and liberate our territories , regardless of how in the sick imagination of the leaders or kvass and leaders of the russian federation , a completely parallel reality is somehow being built" by the way regarding the attempt at annexation, it was possible to argue from the point of view of crimea, because it is practically all controlled by the armed forces of the russian federation, but when you talk about attempts at annexation, it is such an interesting thing because in in the case of the luhansk, donetsk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, russia does not even control the territory that it annexed. and this is really an absolutely unprecedented case in any world history, by the way, even throughout history, when a country annexes a territory that it does not even take care of from the point of view of actual control, and so it is quite interesting to me, because it is a completely new word in legal practice, a new

word for legal pairs in practice - it is a theater, a theater of the absurd, which is not taken seriously by anyone. what the russian federation is doing is not what it is. do you know any novelties in jurisprudence? it has nothing to do with the modern republic, with the domestic one, with the international one, and it cannot have anything to do with crimea, but in this case we are talking about terminology that has been developed by international law . e country exercises effective control over the temporarily occupied territory, but this does not mean that everyone recognized the annexation or that in all circumstances this territory is part of the russian federation, it made an attempt at annexation, but this the attempt was not crowned with any success from the point of view of international law and from the point of view of international recognition, that is why we say and will continue to say that this is an attempt at annexation, but ukraine will liberate its territory regardless of what the russian federation is doing and in which it is in reality , we are for everyone is interested. well,

i will continue the question that i asked in the previous part of our broadcast. the american media, in particular, the washington post, clearly says that now vladimir putin is receiving a theoretical the possibility of using nuclear weapons against ukraine because he may believe that the actions of ukrainian troops on ukrainian territory are actually the actions of those troops against the territory that the russian federation has included in its composition, or the instrumentality has not yet happened, it will still happen in the coming days, but from that moment on, it is as if this territory is for the russians is the territory of the russian federation, you can use any weapon in order to liberate this territory from the occupier , as the ukrainian troops will usually be called in russia, what can we do to prevent such a development of events and i think that clear signals about the inadmissibility of any use of weapons of mass destruction have reached putin from all world leaders and that he is somehow trying to create legitimacy in his own eyes for the use of some types of

e-weapons to protect what is already supposedly his territory we are definitely not interested in this, moreover, from the point of view of all the conventions that regulate the rules of warfare, we can absolutely legally strike all legitimate military targets, not only in the temporarily occupied territories of kherson zaporozhye mykolayiv oblasts of the autonomous republic of crimea, luhansk donetsk oblasts, but even from the point of view of our absolutely legal from the point of view of international law, we can hit any military objects that are legal military targets and on the territory of the aggressor country of the occupying country , so i think that it is also it will soon come when we will be striking it on the territory of the russian federation and armed groups that strike on ukrainian territory and there are such technical possibilities, what do you think we should know for your colleagues i already said when the israelis were asked if

they have nuclear weapons. she said we don't have them , but if necessary, we will use them . good, good answer. yes, tell me, please. let's try to talk about the negotiation process. the president of ukraine said that ukraine is ready to victory with the russian federation, but we can only talk about another president of russia, this is actually a reply to the famous article of the former president of the russian federation, dmitry medvedev, who said that russia is ready to win with ukraine however, it will wait for the next president of ukraine and we see that they wanted to bring this next president in an occupation train of some yanukovych in a russian tank, they wanted to bring us a pseudo-president of ukraine but we can not bring the president to the russians then the question a what is the point of talking about negotiations with them, there is no point in negotiations, the president has already talked about this, and president zelenskyi talked about the fact that in august, what if any attempts are made to annex the territory again

ukraine, any negotiations with such representatives of such a country are impossible in principle, and in this case the president only emphasized that this is a sick imagination of president putin who draws and substantiates the possibility of joining the territory to his country and the possibility of somehow using it later as an argument in the possibility of finding out whether or not to use this or that type of weapons, you know, this is definitely a clinic, and therefore there is no point in negotiating with mentally ill people who are absolutely unaware of reality and definitely do not but these messages i think you know in russia after the announcement of general or partial mobilization , which by and large can be considered to be general because as of yesterday from some sources i have information that about one million men left russia, that is, it is already very serious figures, and i think that these serious

figures will also make the citizens of the russian federation, to put it mildly, look at ukraine differently, the russian war or the russian-ukrainian war, that is, all of them. you understand that this is not a special operation, that it is a full-scale operation war and when we need to mobilize 300,000 million citizens of the russian federation in order to fight in the chola territory. surely, skeptics and those who previously supported this war will perceive it differently and react differently to it, especially when en masse the funerals will start already. and the more people are unprepared, the more they will be destroyed by our armed forces, so i think that it is all in a complex and the message of president zelensky can, you know, at one good moment play the role of such a catalyst which will lead to not at the moment or weakly predicted processes in russia itself, but what should we do with the release of our citizens who continue to be in russian captivity

? e crown prince of saudi arabia mohammed, we learned recently that even the vatican was involved in the preparation of this exchange, what can be said now about the efforts for the further exchange of our defenders, you know me when it comes to the release of our prisoners of war, i would urge you to minimize any evaluations, any expert opinions on this process, this process is being handled by very highly qualified specialists, this is the main intelligence agency - this is the prisoner exchange center in the security service, let them do their job, i am convinced that they are not working on the mechanisms that will allow us to release our prisoners of war in the near future. by the military and political leadership of the russian federation regarding the future after the military arrangement or the end of the war, these are two

parallel processes that at the moment, i do not think that it is necessary to connect how much do you, in principle , consider e-e to be a realistic situation when the russian federation is not just the return of e- captured territories, but it will also pay money for the reconstruction of this economy, the infrastructure that it destroyed in all these territories. well, you know, i’m still alive, let’s say, and putin is in place, i don’t think that we can expect that these territories will be returned to us in a different way than by ourselves through the armed liberation struggle and where the occupation is, and regarding the second question, i am convinced that in practice some legal mechanisms are currently being developed, which are being discussed with our international partners, including e-th proposal that we expressed on behalf of the verkhovna rada and that was repeatedly expressed by the office of the president to the

united states to the congress of the united states regarding the recognition of the russian federation as a country a sponsor of terrorism is a terrorist activity in fact or even it is possible in another way, although there is no such term in international law as a terrorist country, but on the other hand, if you look at the russian federation, it fully meets this definition of a terrorist country, but i think this will still be a subject for discussion in the future and i i do not rule out that we will come to this, now the main thing is to develop such legal mechanisms that will allow us to collect funds seized all over the world for the benefit of ukraine for the benefit of reconstruction of our cities, towns, and villages to compensate for the material and moral damage caused by this terrorist war, so we are working on it, there are good results. i think that they will also have such a good result in the near future in the form of specific money bags that we will be able to receive at the expense of the assets of the russian federation please tell me, mr. fedir, in what

sense. now we can talk about the development of our own legislation that concerns the occupied territories and their reintegration, because i it seems that we see that some special legislative measures are needed here, which were supposed to, let's say , legalize the liquidation of the consequences of the occupation, a very difficult issue and a very important issue. i want to remind you that even before the full-scale aggression on february 24 in the verkhovna rada together with the cabinet of ukraine with the ministry of reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories and deputy prime minister iryna yushchuk, together with the national security and defense council, we worked out a package together with the minister of defense as the minister of justice, we worked out a package of draft laws on transitional justice, because it will be really important now to have such an important mechanism that will allow us to be convinced by those who did not take an active role, who did not praise who did not

support the aggressor country while in the skymo under occupation, that they will definitely not bear legal responsibility responsibility and even they will not bear legal responsibility if they committed any actions under blackmail under coercion under threat to their life and health and this is all it needs very clear wording in the future law, so we must understand that especially those who, at some point in the 14th year, are in the occupation of the luhansk donetsk region, part of the luhansk donetsk region, and already people there have been living in such conditions for 7-8 years, so this package of bills is also necessary now it continues to be worked on , but it still needs very detailed detailed discussions and expert opinions in order for it to be adopted as a complete law, thank you phaser vinyslav people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on issues of national security, defense and intelligence, we were in touch, we discussed the situation that is arising in connection with the annexation of the ukrainian lands of the

russian federation. by the way, fedir venislavsky calls for calling this an attempt at annexation, because practically in international law there are no real -ee reasons to recognize this annexation, to believe that these territories are part of russia. great britain and belgium were brought by the former head of the mission of ukraine, let's talk about what is happening in our situation with euro-atlantic integration, this is a very important moment that is connected with what will happen to the security of ukraine because you and i understand very well that joining the north atlantic alliance is a very important part of

those security guarantees that are related to our situation with the fight against russia, and this, i would like to say, is real at the moment related to future development ukrainian statehood precisely as a state that can defend itself but in the union with our western partners so that they don't just help us with weapons but so that we can take on mutual responsibilities to protect our territory, our territorial integrity, etc., so we already have mr. volodymyr what now mr. volodymyr will join us and we will be able to discuss it, but you know that the president of ukraine,

volodymyr zelenskyi, made it clear that ukraine would like to join nato in an accelerated manner, the president of ukraine signed such an application in in the presence of the chairman of the verkhovna rada and the chairman of the government of ukraine, it will already be delivered to nato today, there is a very important moment related to the fact that the leaders of the countries of central and eastern europe have supported special statements of this application of ukraine, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, have a good day, let's discuss this the application is related to the accession of ukraine to the north atlantic union, what does it change with the e-e, look, it seems to me, well, first of all, the long-awaited application, we already made this attempt once in 2008 , if you remember there from the very beginning in the application about providing ukraine with a state-of-the-art facility. well, then, as you know, there were really political circumstances and this application was not satisfied,

but today, of course, we have a completely different situation , and this application is, let's say, our path , and let's just say it is not a point of no return, it gives us, first of all, a clear understanding the algorithm of actions of the ukrainian authorities, and secondly, it gives a clear signal to, say, our partners, as well as de facto they practically work with us as if within the framework of nato, but until yura we already remain in the existing alliance, that is, i think this is a difficult step the right step and now a new idea about the implementation of this strategic idea, as we announced the other day. how do you think the entire

nato community will really react to this idea of ​​accelerated accession? presidents of latvia, lithuania, estonia, romania, poland, north macedonia, slovakia, and the czech republic. well, i don't think i've forgotten anyone, but this is the country neighboring us from our region, you can say from the balkan region there are no european countries there yet. i would say yes, while there is no western europe, we have such a cautious statement by secretary general stvaltenberg, who spoke about the fact that nato's doors are open. well, he can't say more, actually, because it will be decided by the member states. statement further , it is, let’s say, american, where uh, he just said the same way that it’s not on time, other parts are needed , because it seems to me that they were still a little uh, uh, drowned, so to speak, out of the blue, for a while there

was talk of the possibility that at some point there situations we will submit this application and suddenly we have made it. i think a certain time will pass and our western partners will simply have nowhere to go, let's say it so simply in simple language. the more that i will repeat, well, you understand, de facto we are already working like nato to talk about standards eh the war gave an answer to all these standards for the compliance of uh, i mean ukraine, of the ukrainian armed forces with the nato standard, that is, today it is real. this political will must be demonstrated, and i think that they will demonstrate this political will, but we are our the government, the ministry of foreign affairs, first of all, well, the president, of course, we must make political efforts to look for arguments. whatever

they are, this document that pushed nato to adopt this year's, that is, the ball is in the court over and tell me, please, mr. volodymyr, in principle, if we are talking about this finnish and swedish model when finland, sweden applied to nato and received the so-called temporary guarantees from the united states from great britain for the period until they finally become members nato, such a model can be applied to ukraine, it can and should be just right. we have to conduct this matter, we understand that tomorrow we will not be formally extended for half a fifth of the washington treaty, which is actually a guarantee that there was any theater, any in any in what case should we demand to ask to offer that for a period just like the quaestria and finland

? worked appropriate approaches there, in principle, such guarantees that we want something for ukraine. this is drawing a circle of the state that can give these guarantees, that is, these guarantees, no one has ever been such a temporary regiment, a temporary construction until non-existence before the entry of a full-fledged person there the next day to us and the same, that is, to treat and in in principle , if we talk about such opportunities, it can mean a simple thing that if we receive such guarantees, it means that the united states must agree that there may be some kind of confrontation between them and russia, but they are always

they say no, we are not a party to the conflicts and we are not a party to the conflict, and we can also say such things, but de facto to the united states of america as other partners, which nato countries are actually in a situation where, so to speak, there is a direct clash of the signs of the four-letter word or frivolity very very little and that's why we need to understand their attempts and declarations, they don't want to, so to speak, scan , let go of the situation, uh, they don't want to raise rates, but when to do it, uh, it's a choice, because uh, uh well, as we understand it, it will not stop, and even more so, it was declared by the connection of the so-called illegal annexation of those territories, they testify that the children are an impossible way to anticipate the cost of preventing the use of nuclear weapons, and

this very acquisition, let's say, of the nato umbrella, the article is valid. well, it is necessary finally understand this and draw the correct conclusion, how realistic is the creation of a special tribunal to condemn russia's war crimes against ukraine in a situation where russia is absolutely not going to , in your opinion to extradite its citizens and in general it tries to train everyone else to commit a crime, the reality is that it is difficult to measure now i think that this is the correct formulation of the question, such a tribunal is necessary, some states are in favor of the fact that we all dealt with these issues with an international criminal judge, uh, the same thing, he should do it i i think that we need to take an important step to certify the roman and fully join the

international capital table and, of course, in this way we remove the preservation that some have states that had not even ratified the rome statute, then you already want some separate criminal cases. and here are three arguments to prove that uh years of international criminal here he does not deal with a large number of cases that uh, criminal actions are carried out in ukraine, god bless the russian occupiers and well this tribunal, if i know many examples, it will promote the establishment of justice and the punishment of accusations, and of course some of the highest officials - this is an international criminal garbage, but there is a lot let's say simple er, well, conditionally i say simple military and russian invaders and who

carry out from lutsk no actions on the territory of ukraine were carried out and for them we need to talk about the formation of a social military duration as to how realistic it will be while it is difficult for me to organize well, i think that in we are to be framed on this to emphasize and really practical work here should be involved first of all organizational nations that have access to the supporters of this idea to put forward the answer from the position of natural industrial assembly well, of course, the security council and the decision will be blocked and of course, but we can look for an answer to these questions of the general assembly precisely because of the fact that russia is blocking and on the basis of the 377-type answer, we are already using it now we can talk about it

an international engine thank you, mr. volodymyr. i would like to remind you that the former deputy minister of security affairs of ukraine, volodymyr sherekhandogich, was on our broadcast. we talked with him about the consequences of this accelerated application to join nato, which was announced immediately after vladimir putin's decision. on the accession of four ukrainian regions to russia, this application was immediately announced by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi at a meeting of the national security and defense council of our state, and of course this once again emphasizes that the integration of ukraine into nato is a shared responsibility with the civilized world, a joint confrontation between the russian federation and its there are no alternatives to the despicable satellites, this must be absolutely clearly understood, we will continue this conversation with you on this topic on other important topics in the next hour, i will remind you that in

in this situation, you and i can also exchange opinions. when i will answer your question , but for this you need to ask your questions on the pages of the espresso tv channel on facebook and on youtube. :30 we will start this conversation now i will pass my words to my colleague anieva melnyk who will introduce you to the latest news please thank you for several guest artists about the most important thing be with us tried to escape from the occupation in the kharkiv region in the field found the bodies of five people on may 6, they tried to drive to kharkiv

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