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enemy has announced mobilization plans to increase his army first by 300,000 then maybe by a million and maybe by five, how should ukraine counter this by increasing the number of its own armed forces, this is unlikely to be true because there is a firm understanding that in fact this war will be won only thanks to technological superiority and not simply at the expense of the number of people on the battlefield, so what, where and in what ways should ukraine realize its technological superiority of weapons in tactics and in procedures, we will talk about all this with our expert guests, my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the information constanting company defense express, and my interlocutors today - this is oleksandr los , the former head of the state enterprise antonov, doctor of technical sciences, now the captain of the armed forces, who takes care of the promising directions of the development of the ukrainian army, if mr. oleksandr is in our country

already heard, i congratulate you, if not, he will join literally in a few minutes, and our second guest is vyacheslav, this is vyacheslav, a kiss, a military analyst, and now a serviceman of the special operations forces of the armed forces of ukraine, vyacheslav, i congratulate you, good day, good day, you already i see, not in combat conditions, but a small pause. you have to join our broadcast while we are waiting for mr. oleksandr, then i will start directly with a conversation with er vyacheslav vyacheslav, look, in fact, now everyone is used to analyzing any wars after that as they end because it is much easier to do it, and is there anything now in the ukrainian-russian war? months of

hostilities from the point of view of new details of the introduction of hostilities, so indeed the war of ukraine with russia, it already gives certain information for analysis, there is really a lot of it in various aspects, there is something to say about it, starting from communication, control, use of military radio of specific weapons systems, that is, our war for these seven months has already provided a lot of information for analysis , mr. oleksandr. if you can hear us now, i would like to say hello to you, join you on the air to see you, and i would like to ask you the same question with which we started by combing it what new things did the ukrainian-russian war bring to the assessment

of weapons procedures, tactics, what nuances can be singled out as such, what are really different from other military conflicts and wars that have taken place up to this time? i will highlight three components, the first is air space reconnaissance, the second is anti-missile defense and the third is maneuverable ground defense and offensive operations, and it is in these domains that it actually needs to develop its own industry and military-technical component. if we take these three points of our further conversation as a basis, that is, anti-missile intelligence air defense in the nuances and mobile defense, we will probably start with reconnaissance, vyacheslav, you take part in hostilities, do you understand the peculiarity of these tactics of the enemy on the battlefield, what is important from the point of view of providing

the needs of the intelligence capabilities of the ukrainian army. what is lacking and what does the enemy have in terms of what he can do to overcome us in order to know his strengths and methods of countermeasures? maybe in my opinion , that is, my experience. in connection with the fact that aerial reconnaissance is especially now when the weather conditions are, let's say, not very favorable, it has become less effective, and it's not only cheap commercial drones, but these are more powerful systems already of military purpose, because rain, fog , clouds, etc. and so on, the

same clouds also affect space development. they do not have the opportunity to use the internet and use some protected messengers, then radio reconnaissance gives not very bad results, and in turn, ukraine, thanks to the use of the same starlink system, uses messengers and e-e mobile first of all, the internet is better managed, and secondly , information is intercepted worse, which is intercepted, then until it is deciphered, it loses its relevance, but the russians, who are forced to use radio communication, are quite good at being eavesdropped by us, that is, under favorable conditions. of course, aerial reconnaissance is the dominant form of intelligence. modern war , when vyacheslav talks about the development, in fact, we

are talking about a rather insignificant frontier of intelligence activity, actually it is tactical , partly operational-tactical when you talk about in terms of development, you probably have approaches that really ensure the satisfaction of our needs at the strategic level. what are the optimal opportunities to really provide for these needs ? are there limited or unlimited technical capabilities to meet these needs? what is the most important thing that has been highlighted here? of course, i am talking directly about the operational strategic level and i would like to emphasize that for ukraine, directly for ukrainian specialists, aviation specialists, radio engineering specialists, this is not treason is some kind of out-of-the-clouds fantasy because you remember that on the basis of antonov aircraft with the use of ukrainians, there were just small problems

. the an-71a88 aircraft project was being created. these were precisely the systems of early warning of a missile attack and the like. therefore, having a scientific and technical department, i will talk more about and how to do it directly from the implementation of the industrial one, it is necessary to develop these components because we hope that one day we will be handed over p3 aircraft, which will already be obsolete by that time. i am even thinking about it we should not hope, we must do our own thing, we must support our education, science and industry, and only in this way will we be able to protect something in the airspace. we must, let's say, shorten this cycle of combat control by using intelligence data and in speeding up the transmission of long-range means of impression on the slavs, you are now facing enough in terms of

artillery and means of intelligence and means of automation as far as this really allows to ensure that competitive advantage on the battlefield in comparison with the actions of the enemy, can we say that our combat control cycle is shorter? well, the enemy's cycle is certainly shorter, that is, without going into details, we definitely have a control cycle, well , at least on the part of the front where we are , it is shorter that is, information from the intelligence agencies to the consumer, it reaches er-er much faster, it reaches the command faster and decisions are made, well, let's say almost online, that is , it is definitely our advantage here. that is, we can say what he tells you that literally a few minutes after receiving a request from an advanced unit for artillery support, we can conduct and advance to the development and strike already after

reconnaissance yes yes well, that is, the artillerymen now and the command of both artillery and mechanized units. they receive information online from the intelligence tools we use, mr. oleksandr, you know in sufficient detail the capabilities of our eh heimers, and they have also repeatedly said i was told that in fact, in order for this system to include reconnaissance shock circuits, what is important in order to further increase the efficiency of the use of heimers when you say this, this thesis, reconnaissance shock circuit , then in connection with this sample of weapons when at the moment, we have an average so close range. for us, this is close to a long-range person based on the existing ammunition, so today the problem is more or less solved, but when we dream, we will finally

receive an attack that will have a real range let it be even 250 km, the question of target reconnaissance usually arises here, luckily, we already have access to satellite reconnaissance, we have our own, at least one satellite, as i was called by presti, they also told me about the subscription to e-e data, yes, on this grouping of these satellites, then e- we can hope that the crimean bridge we all dream of will be able to strike correctly and accurately, but the subscription will end. as we know and what will we do next, that is, having such a sufficiently short-term short-term advantage from space intelligence, we have to think about what will happen further, because this war, even if its hot phase , we all hope will end in a year, but our

lesson has not disappeared anywhere, and we need to make these plans today and in advance, vyacheslav, we are now talking in part of our conversation about reducing the cycle of combat control, about the means of impression and how can this be reconciled with, relatively speaking, a real advantage on the battlefield. this is how to explain to our viewers that these moments are really important in order to grind the enemy much more effectively . it is important. this is a cycle of combat management. how important is intelligence, because for us specialists it is clear, but people may still have doubts that we are probably talking about the wrong things when it is really difficult to overestimate the importance of intelligence, that is, if in simple words, the intelligence units of the air reconnaissance in the first place turn to find the enemy

before he opens fire to hit our units, that is, for example, if we are talking about artillery, which is now the dominant element of plans for the losses that both sides suffer, then artillery the enemy may still be in the waiting areas, and it is already detected by reconnaissance means and our artillery systems point at them, they can advance to firing positions. and at this time they are detected, or they have left for firing positions, are preparing to fire and are detected again. for example, there are infantry the enemy's armored vehicles occupy some line of defense, and they are detected in a timely manner, fire damage is inflicted on them, and again before they open fire, that is, again when they are preparing to attack, that is, they

are massing their forces, this is revealed in a timely manner and is again reaped by our means of fire damage , barrel artillery, rocket artillery, or high-precision projectiles of self-timers or enamels. alexander, i will return to the heimers as a means of impression. are there any options that can really be added? to increase the possibility of using this system to destroy small-sized targets, because in fact now we understand that our main shock component is actually those systems and there is a need to obtain data on small objects, how can it be done using the current capabilities and where do we need to build up these forces or really see everything and destroy everything that is the enemy on the battlefield,

you asked a difficult question, so let's break down the system, that is, let's start as my colleague from the intelligence component correctly said, the intelligence component is a space strategic aviation operational-tactical aviation and radar ground well, and i hope there will be one someday . volley fire systems or tactical missile weapons are also attack rockets. they should hardly be used because it is very expensive very expensive cost per weapon to be used for small-sized air targets from small-sized we mean unmanned detailed vehicles and attack aircraft what is an unmanned aerial vehicle let's start from already in the people nicknamed the moped, although the engine there is more than a motorcycle, it is the same shekhet or geranium

2, which if the russians are more, they are already heavy the so-called unmanned aircraft of the third class are heavy . well, actually, as i said, stormtroopers starting from the 125th and any light aircraft can also be equipped for assault operations, so it should still be about obtaining, unfortunately , foreign ones, and not creating their own complexes are close against dynamo kyiv, just at a medium range. and in our conditions, it is a long range. it is about 500 km ago, i pray. i still would not say that this is a component of anti-aircraft defense, it is a defensive or offensive component of artillery. yes, yes you are absolutely correct in noting that, let's say, my mistake in the question is, then, vyacheslav, what do ukrainian units on the

battlefield need today to feel protected from air threats when we are talking about the unmanned air strike complex there and the reconnaissance units to the enemy planes, what does the reality of our actions on the battlefield consist of, well, let's say firstly, thanks to the western supplies of portable granite missile complexes, in principle, the issue of assault and attack helicopter aviation has been resolved, that is, today operatives continues to use them but suffers significant losses and these manpads affected his tactics, that is, what we observed with our own eyes and more than once, the enemy tries to hit our targets with unguided s8 bunks from the maximum distance from the camber

, that is, they they go at a low altitude, then they turn around, they launch their warplanes in the direction of our troops and return to their territory and always very often and do not overfly the front line, that is, the effectiveness of such aircraft is approaching zero, and that’s it it is these manpads that have led to the fact that the russian aviation in lyuba has extremely low efficiency . yes, there are exceptions, and we understand that there they can use guided weapons and sometimes fly to the front in general and damage our targets. but that strike aircraft on which russia hoped to have an advantage on the battlefield, thanks to these manpads, well, those hopes of the russians did not come true. as for drones, it is difficult to say which element will be the most

effective. that is, we understand that it will be a combination maybe manpads, although the engines of these kamikaze drones have a fairly low signature, that is , they are not so easy to hit with e-e with the help of manpads, it can also be anti-aircraft artillery, especially if it is effective enough, well, the same german cheetahs e- it can be small arms and it seems to me that in the first place it should be means of radio-electronic warfare because iranian drones, they are, well, let's just say that they are not such high-tech technologies, and we hope that with the help of the western partners of the united states from other european ecological states, we receive the necessary means of radio-electronic warfare that

will be able to simply destroy these kamikaze drones , traveling ammunition at safe distances for us, and classical means of anti-aircraft missile complexes, which now, as i understand it, give the main result when covering our large cities there, odessa, the dnipro, that is, exactly they most likely kill the bulk of these drones it is but such complexes actually not so many and they are concentrated on the most important objects of pansandra when you talked about where should we go three components have been chosen, this is intelligence , anti-aircraft missile defense and mobile approaches, or mobile defense gives as such uh-uh, then here is your vision of how we should build up our capabilities in this second sector, which is related to the anti-aircraft dash of anti-missile defense, which models should we transition from and where is the place of our possibilities in this process, i will start again from afar with whom we have

to do this, we see that the world is a political world, uh, a worldview world. sorry for such tautologies . if we look at the world, with whom the russians work , everything is already clear. why am i talking about this? the basis of current weapons is non-metal. there is not even a threshold. and there is microelectronics and electro-optics. which countries today have the most developed potential in this matter? this is essentially the founder of this school is the united states of america and the people's republic of china, which managed to gain access to the financial and scientific and technical capabilities of the united states of america at the time of this pin and to this day some of our allies are even going to the people's republic of china for microelectronic components

, it's about microprocessor technology, you and i have already talked about this before, what is important for modern radars is the nitride halotype of technologies and so on, so it's clear since 1991, ukraine has hesitated what kind of vector take either the western world or somewhere to look for other ways, well, other ways, we have already searched and arrived at what we arrived at. therefore, my recipe would be that in cooperation with companies of the united states of america to develop complex complexes localized with the maximum ukrainian scientific and technical components and direct assembly here in ukraine, but of course cooperating first of all with the use of their standards of their already global understanding out of love in order for me to invent a bicycle and not to make obsolete equipment as it

was 30 years of man it would be a measure of vyacheslav to continue the topic of cooperation on means of anti-aircraft missile defense from the point of view of all those existing models that are in the ukrainian army of those samples that are offered, how can we solve the problem of combating the enemy's ballistic missiles, which in principle are now a sufficiently important component for strikes on our territory, what are the optimal ways or cooperation or obtaining new samples in your opinion well, there are not many options here that is, those complexes that are in service with the armed forces of ukraine, their number is limited, the number of missiles is limited , and the possibility of obtaining them in european countries is also limited due to this, the complexes were not distributed among countries of the warsaw pact organization, therefore, we

must first of all count on western aid in the short term, that is, the complexes that are being supplied now, well, they are more against aviation, and if there are more powerful american complexes, like that, ukraine will someday receive it . we will somehow solve the issue of combating ballistic targets, as long as we understand that this problem will persist , that is, if the issue there is to protect the ammunition of the same iranian ways, it will be solved the fight against cruise missiles, it is clear what to do and the means they are of one or another er with one or another effectiveness er, this issue will be resolved , the fight against ballistic missiles is now for

us, well, let's say it can have a limited result and here only the russians come to our aid, and if we are talking about the operational-tactical level of these systems, the number is quite limited, a significant part was already used in the first seven months of the war, that is, if you separate the ballistic components from the cruise missiles and the there are not so many ammunitions left by the russians and here, er, i can say that they will soon run out of them while we are still looking for some solutions to this problem, e.p. oleksandr, when are we really talking about samples of anti-aircraft, about such anti-missile weapons, or really it is possible to single out some list of goals that are the most priority for us and from this we can already make certain, let's say, such a calculation of what number of zrk of which type we need the most, or can such an

approach be applied, unfortunately, this is at least me said that i don't like this approach, we just have small problems with communication and then, er, vyacheslav, the question is then for you . to fight against russian drones. and do our units feel the influence of russian means of rap? how noticeable is it? because for a certain period of time, this is exactly the topic of pro-russian rap. it was so dominant. i thought that russia has a certain advantage in this segment. do you feel it? the advantage is real on the battlefield, indeed, the russian means of rap are not sufficiently developed, they are of different levels, from there small e-e means of such a

small container type against a drone to powerful systems that can affect tens or hundreds of kilometers, as we talk about the tactical level. the influence of russian ribs is sometimes felt quite strongly, that is, at the tactical level, where civilian aerial reconnaissance means are mainly used, or, let’s say, not very powerful the military there may also have problems with navigation. that is , it is a very common problem when the drone simply does not see satellites and its operator uses video images, that is, it orients itself on the terrain, if it is oriented on the terrain, it is tied to the terrain on the tablet, that is, here

already e- e skill of a particular operator is important and e-e unfortunately due to the fact that satellites disappear often enough, here either the training of the operator takes place so that they are able to work on a video signal or they they lose their drones and look for funds for others , and the loss of communication with the remote control also occurs. that is , the problem is more serious, that is, when there is no communication between the control station and the aerial reconnaissance means, and then the loss of the aerial reconnaissance means is hm more likely, that is, it really feels russian, so when it is possible to hit this or that rap complex, then the situation in a certain area of ​​the front is improving, that's why this is the

factor that we are constantly faced with that we have to reckon with, but again, this russian rap is not a panacea, people continue to work and give results, and in principle, even if we are talking about the tactical level, the number of our aero-development assets does not decrease, but increases, despite the losses from the effects of russian rap. well, we will return to the working topic now we have a small one again, mr. oleksandr mr. oleksandr, i wanted to listen to your vision of how we should choose priority directions for increasing the number of certain systems against non-defense in view of a certain the number of typical targets that threaten us