i think that they will no longer be believed and sanctions will not be lifted in order to repair the photo. but still, the kremlin is hoping for certain benefits, which, in addition to the removal of fines, and in addition to the fact that gas prices will rise, and in the future it gives there is a certain amount of time in order to somehow change the scenarios in order to somehow change their tactics. how much time does the kremlin get gazprom and vladimir well, first of all, they want to figure out the energy market of the european union when they are small and principles, first of all, this i would i wanted to say about the next steps that i expect will be from russia, they will really state that this gas pipeline can be repaired and you know the

only way how to repair it. this equipment is manufactured by the american company industries . the weight is somewhere at the level of 160 t and it is now in one of the norwegian ports, this clamp yes and eh, but on on on on on for repairs and on this all the equipment that concerns the cock two imposed sanctions when russia statements that we want to repair, the americans will not be able to do it and the norwegians will not be able to do it, the russians will then do the second way, so you say you can see it. they do not allow repairs, so they blew up these gas pipelines. thus, some are so

pro-russian or such people that politicians want to understand to save putin's face they can start promoting this topic to the european union and it can, in the opinion of russia, i think that this will not happen in the opinion of the russian kremlin, these, er, all, er, yes, all the figures. they think that it is even more a turbulent process within nato will begin, yes. well, let's remember how it all happened. so , on september 26 and 27, representatives of the european security service noticed support ships of the russian navy near the places of leaks from the nord stream and nord stream-2 gas pipelines, sinin reported with reference to sources in intelligence and it is not yet known whether the ships were involved in the leaks that could have been caused by underwater explosions, all sources say, but this is one of the many possible

factors that will be studied by investigators, although only one a danish military official with whom the tv channel spoke noted that russian ships regularly operate in this area and their presence does not indicate that it was russia that caused the damage; according to one version, russia could attack the northern streams by launching underwater drones, they write about this themselves with reference to a source in the ministry of defense of great britain there believe that the attack was probably deliberate and planned and with the use of an explosive device, according to sources and from british intelligence, it was dropped in the sea a few weeks before it exploded, one of the most likely scenarios there is believed to be that russia secretly delivered a drone to certain places on e pipelines, such drones could have been dropped from a small vessel like a fishing boat a few months ago, according to the ministry of defense, in their opinion, they could have been waiting there for months

when they will be allowed to explode on maxim and the questions to you actually some of these versions seem to you the most probable i think that this is more a question for the military experts who are incredible but from the fact that we have discussed above uh, who is it beneficial to, it seems quite clear, because the version about the united states does not stand up to criticism on uh, the nord stream two gas was not delivered to europe does not feel sorry for the european economy, because it does not feel a shortage of gas from annexation , a working gas pipeline was in the zooorgan, besides,

russia has only ways of delivering gas to europe , and everyone knows about it. thus, now we have a ukrainian gas transport company the system is not up to it is loaded below the contract, nothing, all possible standards, and there is a shortage of gas, if it is necessary to deliver it from russia to europe, there is no way that this explosion does not benefit anyone except russia in any way, but you say that europe will not suffer either, or indeed, europe will not get worse without russian gas ah hmm why am i asking because russia is probably not in such a favorable position because it remains without profits all the time profits

if the nord stream were to work at the design capacity for that and it was necessary do not attack of science, then after the explosion they will have these profits left. and now, the situation is not like that, he did not work . that is why he took a break. the situation in this area, there are islands, there are many rare birds and so on. and now it is difficult to estimate the number of leaks there, 150-300 or very much, and this is very bad for the fauna of the sea van, but for the economy, there are such losses from this, so this is psychological pressure it

sabotage is political pressure, but it's not that it's a pity for us, the german chemical industry, and other large consumers of russian gas. well, we thank you very much, maksym, for joining our broadcast. i'll remind you that it was maksym gardus, an expert of the reform office. to the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, thank you for being with us, let's continue the conversation with mr. volodymyr omelchenko, volodymyr, and actually, as far as we can tell, europe was prepared for such a scenario, i would like to remind you that norway is currently the leader in the supply of gas to europe yes, which has supplanted russia, and a few days ago in the polish city of goleny, a new gas pipeline, the baltic pipe, was opened, which will supply europe with norwegian gas in volumes of up to 10 billion cubic meters annually, and what this

new polish gas pipeline is giving to europe. well, you know that europe was not completely prepared for the beginning of the war, but with the beginning of the war, they already understood the case plus energy blackmail, and everything led to the fact that the european union began to dynamically get rid of russian gas, and if last year the share of russian gas in the gas the balance of the consumption structure was 40%. imports into the european union, so today it has decreased to 9-10% in october, at the beginning of october, as for the bank-pal unit, it is an extremely important gas pipeline because it provides access to norwegian gas and for of poland and for the baltic countries as well as for the countries of central europe, because you know that

recently, from the data, the interconnector between slovakia and poland was put into operation, and this interconnector is directly connected in the baltics and this terconnector precisely connects the northern part of the european court of gas gas transport system with the southern part and we see that after the introduction and after the completion of the construction of the interconnector fol poland slovakia so to speak the gas system of the european union in the direction north south about united and this will significantly improve the stability of the flexible gas transportation system and it has been delivered for consumers of the european union that will reduce dependence on russian

energy suppliers, therefore russia is very nervous about account of this well, let's add information europe will have enough gas this winter, even if russia stops supplies, according to the bloomberg agency, the accelerated pace of liquefied gas purchases will allow europe to compensate for supplies from the russian federation, now storage facilities are more than 90% full. well , next winter, europe can import 40% more gas, and it is possible to increase the volume of purchases by 14% earlier next summer. this will make it possible to compensate for the complete cessation of gas imports from october 1, the base scenario under consideration bloomberg analysts predict that weather conditions will correspond to average indicators. over the past ten years, in the event of a stoppage of supplies from russia, europe is expected to import 40 million

tons of liquefied gas this winter and a little more in the summer to fill its reserves on volodymyr . in your opinion, this accident may still affect gas prices in europe, and it has already been affected, that is, if before the accident they were somewhere at the level of €1,700 per thousand cubic meters, then after the accident they increased to 1,900 euros per thousand cubic meters and again, what do i think it is? yes, i called a little later, the market here will be balanced, they will start to decrease, yes, indeed, the european union is able to diversify natural gas supplies today, it means but not not completely, only partially, this must also be understood, that is why we are taking very serious measures by the european union to

reduce energy consumption, on the one hand, on the other hand, it must also be understood that the price of gas is very high , it remains the same and this is a negative influence 500 will have an impact on our economy, on consumers, and many enterprises will reduce the production of their products, the level of unemployment may increase , the level of unemployment will decrease , gdp growth will decrease, therefore, the consequences of these actions of russia will be felt by essentially every consumer of the european union, and now we also want to add another speaker to our on the air dmytro snyiryov, a military expert joins the national marathon, the only news from mr. dmytro. we congratulate you . good afternoon. and we have already discussed it with the experts

the options of who could be involved in this sabotage and how they actually came to the opinion that it was russia and, moreover, hmm, it also follows from this that russia could deliberately damage the northern streams in order to avoid fines for non-fulfillment of contracts, and in particular, this opinion was expressed a little earlier adviser to the minister of energy of ukraine, olena dzerkal , according to her, there is no panic in the eu due to damage to gas pipelines, since europe has already provided itself with 91% of gas for the winter in underground storages , we can now hear her quote, i don't think it is may be something other than a terrorist act that the russians did on purpose and a point of view that i share that it will cost the russians less to repair these gas pipelines than to pay fines for not supplying gas to european consumers their

fines can reach more than 30 billion any repair will cost millions to avoid these fines, the russians could calmly go to blow up these pipes, mr. dmytro. well, i have a question for you as a military expert . the version of great britain for their information, uh, attack the northern streams, russia could uh, by launching underwater drones, in your opinion, how likely is this to be possible? great britain stated that uh, let's put it this way, the explosion is about 700 kg of loss equivalent, uh, let's remember another actual statement is the statement of the minister of defense of estonia, who stated that with similar diversions on the lawns of the northern stream, one on the

northern stream-2, the russian federation is solving the issue of possibly blocking shipping in the baltic sea water area, that is, under the guise of supposedly protecting the damaged areas of the gas pipeline , carrying out repair work, the number of russian naval presence will be increased accordingly in the baltic sea water area, it is not by chance that their own foreign sources stated that already on the 26th and 27th , the russian military was recorded in the places where the gas pipelines were damaged presence another question is that foreign uh well, let's say they don't give a direct answer or let 's say this presence is directly related to the blowing up of lawns but less so if we talk about the fact that the russian federation will be forced to carry out repair work on the damaged areas, and there are four of them at the moment, then, accordingly, we cannot reject a similar

scenario, i.e., the deliberate detonation of gas pipelines, which , in addition to economic preferences for the russian federation , also carry certain military to increase the degree of tension already directly in the baltic sea equator , thus trying to put pressure on european countries not only through economic leverage, but also in accordance with its military presence, how in your opinion should the european union and nato in particular respond, and because this is the territory of the north atlantic alliance, we will speak as it is absolutely correct, especially since there are already statements by stolberg and, accordingly, the statement of the leading e-e politicians of the united states that they will take under their protection energy security of the

nato countries, this is why you are talking about the fact that the russian federation will receive an adequate response; moreover, president biden clearly stated in his speech that all the russian side's tenets regarding a possible involvement of the united states in explosions at gas pipelines is an element of the information and psychological operations of the russian federation itself, which thus aims to divert attention from the real events that are taking place at the actual place of damage . connected with the efforts of the russian federation to divert attention from those events that will take place directly in ukraine, praying for the actual annexation of ukrainian occupied territories and accordingly, the expansion of the theater of military operations on the part of the russian federation, but the main thing is that the response

will be adequate. the united states has already made it clear that it is necessary to speak from the standpoint of terrorism. and today we can already claim that it was a terrorist act, no one will." well, you know that one of the presidents of the united states of america, i think it was george washington,

said that you can deceive a certain amount of people for a certain amount of time, but you can't deceive all the people indefinitely, you understand and that's why already all this endless deception of russia. it has already led to the fact that no one believes it, and all these methods that were still active there a year or two ago of informational and psychological influence. i think that they will not work on anyone now. to add that according to the fund's data, the 21 strategy of 2020 is the 21st century, so they believe and they believe that if they participated in these projects , they could accept because they were part of the navy 45707 is the

e-e naval forces e-e russian the federation is also 645 persia 641st naval intelligence center and it is these er-e means military-type organizations they specialize in er-e means and they have a squad of underwater mine laws corresponding aquanauts scouts and er-e for example this 641 naval maritime intelligence center he is based in the city in the city of kaliningrad in the village of parusne, and therefore, according to the experts of the fund, it means strategy 21, so to speak

. let's discuss such a nuance, there is an opinion that the nord stream will not work at all, and the german ambassador to ukraine told about this, ankalguzen, and when asked whether the germans will leave the gas pipeline to rot under water, she answered that it will not work, folguzen emphasized that the war in ukraine changed germany's position on the gas pipeline, according to her even when the war is over, they will no longer supply gas with this pipe. so i have a question for you, gentlemen, is it possible to put a cross on the northern streams and is it possible to restore them or in in principle, we can state that hundreds of billions went under the tail of gazprom, please. so, this is a question for both of you, if you feel that you have something to say on this topic, please. well, let's

start with the fact that despite. nord stream nord stream-2 actually has a number of detachments. and we should not forget about the turkish stream, which according to the project documentation can pump up to 16 billion cubic meters. and actually the events that are happening in the baltic sea are actually transforming turkey on the gas cap of the russian federation in europe, moreover, they are actually raising the rates of a radical as a regional leader and, accordingly, of a country that can dictate certain conditions for m -m already directly to european consumers. you see the russian side as erdoğan regarding the events that took place in the baltic sea, unfortunately, if germany drew conclusions from the war in ukraine and

took a tough position on diversification in accordance with the construction of uh actually uh, let's say for the reception of liquefied gas, turkey, on the contrary, has increased the pumping of russian gas over the last six months, so we should not forget about the fact that, unfortunately, there is a country that we considered strategic partners instead. well, let's say that its last steps are not friendly towards ukraine, mr. volodymyr well, i think that everyone in the european union has understood that these are not non-commercial gas pipelines, that these are military facilities , they are, by the way, equipped with military equipment equipment as electronic electronic means of surveillance both under water and above water and

is used for military purposes, therefore there is no expediency from my point of view, and i think that the main nato countries of the european union will also think so, and there is no use of these gas pipelines because they are not enough, they are not useful from the point of view of commerce, but they are extremely harmful from the point of view of military security, and finally, you can't discuss this topic here without the ukrainian question because the ukrainian gas transportation system it was and still is at the moment one of the largest in the world and according to various estimates, it is able to ensure the transit of blue fuel, an option from 140 to 160 billion cubic meters per year, the most gas, more than 141 billion cubic meters , in 1998, the ukrainian gts pumped mainly three names through

ukrainian pipes to the economically unprofitable 10-15 billion cubic meters per year for ukraine, a few years ago the economically justified transit for ukraine was the annual volume of 40 billion cubic meters of gas. so, volodymyr, in your opinion the ukrainian hts can save europe. well, it ca n't save europe. why, because russia doesn't want to use it, so it won't be here, there 's no need to be under any illusions that russia now has the gas that they predicted and that it found in the northern streams will transfer it to the ukrainian gas transport system because russia is not interested in ukraine earning additional money on transit, is not interested in being more dependent on ukraine from the point of view of transit, this does not

correspond to its strategy, so i think on the contrary russia is preparing and doing everything in order to cancel the transit agreements in the near future, about this recently , literally on the day of the blow-up of the nord stream north 1.2, representatives of gazprom said, and thus there is a very high probability that natural gas will be transported to the european union by the ukrainian transport system already in the next month it will not happen , but on the other hand, the ukrainian transport system can use its underground storage facilities to maintain the balance of gas in the european union markets, and i think it is appropriate to do so to work and this has serious prospects , especially after military operations and after the victory of ukraine, and counting on the fact that russia will

increase the transit of the territory of ukraine. and just close the valve so that gas can be found through the ukrainian asia-transport system, or are they also likely to resort to similar sabotage as on the political streams of the russian side or pray that the russian side, for example on the contrary, he insists on the opening of the ammonia pipeline , so much odessa, that is, despite the war in ukraine, russia is interested, and actually in ukraine there is a transitor in ukraine, therefore, assessments regarding a possible complete stop of pumping gas territories of ukraine.

a statement from the russian federation's carnation that he does not abandon plans for the so-called peaceful settlement in ukraine. that is, i do not rule out that actually the detonation of the gas pipeline and similar statements by putin and accordingly, the annexation is actually a part of the occupied territories of ukraine. well, let's say this is the planned nature of the actions of a russian dictator. well , we will find out how we will respond to the attempt to annex our territory in the near future. from the armed forces of ukraine. thank you for joining our broadcast. the director of energy programs was also with us. center razumkov and dmytro snyiryov , a military expert continues, so do not switch unconquered cities of ukraine dnipro, the space capital

of ukraine with the longest embankment in europe and the shortest subway, arose on the site of the cossack landlords of the land of freedom and liberty during the years of occupation, the hitlers all shot from 17 to 21,000 jews in the dnieper after the expulsion of the nazis, remained under the attack of enemy aircraft, but did not stop working for victory, as it does not stop, and now he is the first to meet those who are fleeing from the war and, despite everything, reliably holds the rear for the dniproans, it is just space, but the dnipro is unconquered , they aim at the fragile and expensive

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