er, we know er marcos, er, who was a dictator, tried to escape and get access to these funds, he was denied, and all the funds that were kept on behalf of the state, er, they were gradually transferred to the state of the people of the philippines, but bypassing the dictator marcos, who thought to escape and seize these funds . at the same time, these funds became such a source of changes in the philippines because these funds were given under the conditions of the implementation of certain reforms and guarantees of the observance of certain human rights there, which were determined by the world community, this way is also it is possible and er, for example, i asked the same question to the swiss because they own well and er let's put it this way on their territory there are those banks that contain the assets of most russian oligarchs and actually this question can also be raised although

it requires first of all of political and then legal consolidation, well actually if we now come to the understanding that the frozen russian assets cannot yet be sent to us as compensation funds or reparation funds, i understand them correctly can be directed in a different way to somewhat different er processes a-a hmm and in general er-er ot taking into account what is now frozen considering that russia is losing er-er from sanctions from the war we can also add er- what happened in the baltic sea gas flows yes, these are also financial losses in one way or another, because russia will be forced to pay these reparations in general if they

last for decades. really confuses the concept of compensation, the concept of compensation, these are other things, if we are talking about compensation, then compensation does a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-made forced, it can be voluntary, if we are talking about voluntary, it is most likely in the form of reparations, if forced, this is what ukraine is trying to do now, having worked hard, it is unique and i agree with my colleague compensatory mechanism and in this by the way, ukraine already has leadership, there are already relevant decisions of the world bank of the council of europe on this, for example, at the last un assembly, it was discussed as widely as possible, this is not

leadership in this. the deputy minister of justice, the ministry of infrastructure, the ministry of regional development , and the development of communities and territories , was very wise with this question. in fact, it is as hopeless as it seems at first glance, and this categorical series must be divided into the assets of the aggressor state of the russian federation. well, on the gold and currency that you already mentioned, yes, and there in the amount of 300 million dollars to billions of dollars. thank you, and accordingly, the assets of the state businessmen of the russian federation and oligarchs and let's still separate these things because with the second it will be really more difficult, but to work out a mechanism of compensation - compensation for later ukrainians and for this compensation

through the transfer of assets, not exactly the gold and currency reserves, it is, in principle, realistic, the mechanism is already being worked out, more precisely, it has already been presented , i apologize, an international compensation commission is being created, a corresponding compensation fund is being created, which will be filled precisely from this for the seizure of the property of the russian federation in the countries -partners for this , international multilateral and bilateral agreements are being worked out, because such actions require the introduction of certain changes in the legislation of the country on, let's say, the holder of the assets because it is simply impossible to do it in a different way. for this, there is already a certain basis, that is, the algorithm is very simple. between ukraine and another country, let's say britain has already agreed to

do this with russian assets . the un may parallel the kyiv qt compact and the kyiv security treaty presented by the yarmak rammuson group. it is possible that everything will be put together and then they will accordingly make changes to their own legislation in britain in order to ukraine was the first in line, not all the assets because, believe me, friends, there is a huge queue for us all over the world for russian assets, and if we simply remove immunity from them, it is not a fact that we will have anything left. therefore, this procedure should be exclusively for ukraine exclusively and exclusively within the framework of a bilateral agreement, then this compensation fund was filled with these funds or property, and then ukraine began to compensate legal entities and individuals on the basis of the completed corresponding

register of destroyed and damaged property which has also already been created and is functioning, that is, in principle, nothing is impossible, and finally, our citizens should clearly know that ukraine is dealing with this complex and unique issue, and that the russian federation will compensate all damages caused to it in any case, whether forcibly or voluntarily. and you think there is there is a chance that this will happen voluntarily. let's ask dmytro, by the way, if we have a chance that russia will voluntarily compensate for the losses. well, i think there is such a chance, but it will not be very suitable for ukrainians and ukraine, that is, the moments compensation or compensation has already been discussed, yes , but they were discussed on the condition that crimea remains in russia and we do not raise the

issue of our territories there. for ukraine, and in this case, another option is a defeat, a global defeat of the russian federation on the battlefield and recognition of a defeat in the war against the world. compensation to emphasize that there are still sanctions that work in and they inflict er they exert their influence by harming the economy of russia actually which er stops and loses huge funds and

further there will be stagnation we see that russia is already on the verge of default and actually it will take place and now we are talking about an almost eight-month period of sanctions pressure, but even as a result of victory, these sanctions will not be automatically lifted, and accordingly, this sanctions regime will stifle russia and the losses from sanctions will be huge, and let's even ask the question that these sanctions may gradually be lifted in response to the payment of compensation to ukraine, compensation in the form of compensation, and such elements are applied in the same way in history, they have already happened, and this is one of the ways to force russia to pay compensation in fact, these will be reparation payments already determined in the appropriate order and

again a scheme and mechanism can be created and corresponding to this. that is, this is another alternative way to force russia to pay these funds because the losses they will suffer may be much greater under sanctions than they will pay reparations to ukraine by agreeing to the fact that they lost and they are compensating for this damage caused by them. that is, it will be another element of the punishment for russia, as an aggressor state, should hope that it will agree and this sanctions stranglehold will strangle them. i think it is not necessary, but it is necessary to continue to work in the direction in which ukraine is going in order to forcefully take those assets the central bank of the russian federation is still to be taken away for the benefit of ukraine, that is, condensation. it is important not to suffocate, it is right for us not to suffocate, don't

think that i feel sorry for the russian federation now, but economically all this will not even be the 91st year in the eu countries and the united states they are stifling the world economy with sanctions, that is, now war is always a war, the economy and er, including er, russia will lose economically because it has already found itself in the state of a country that loses from this very significantly, of course, the world economy also bears losses because they could make money on this, of course, on cooperation with russia with cheap energy there. may turn out to be just that. a remark to the fact that i do not regret in any case, but i am just trying to understand what kind of life it will be, we are now talking about the subject of

responsibility, the state, russia is like a state and not as a collection of citizens who are like a community citizens with whom we can also do business , this will affect them, of course, it will affect them. the reality of the world war was borne, in fact, even there were innocent people who lived there in that germany during hitler's time, eh, somewhere there, maybe in some farm, they didn't even know how we have it in distant farms, when you know that there was a situation in the north of the kyiv region when they believed that their president lukashenko, not knowing who the president is, how the economic process is happening in the state, they live for themselves

but at the same time, they are also affected by the element of responsibility. therefore, this is really it is a multi-factorial process that affects everyone, but first of all it is decided at the state level between subjects where the states act. oleksiy, make us happy with the court of urology and the near future for russia, this is exactly what i wanted to mention ah-ah i will say right away i don't care, but one thing is the fate and experiences of russian citizens, they themselves have legitimized the criminal putin regime and himself for many years. i want to say something else to this regime, because i think many people throughout the country will want to hear from today's broadcast

, what should they do if their e-e was destroyed by war and the russian federation destroyed or damaged property i want to devote literally one minute to this in order to give an algorithm because i definitely do not care about ukrainians and i do not care about the ukrainian authorities, because we see that they do a lot for this every day , first of all, you can and must, right to record the damaged or destroyed property, by the way, this is a key aspect that my colleagues and i already have on those rakes that we stepped on with this compensation commission at the united nations for which white iraq 91st year 2002 why were there not many of these compensations because it was inappropriate fixation and, accordingly, this compensation commission prolon e-e well, they did not give enough evidence for it to fully compensate confirmed all all

submitted applications, do you understand what the matter is, therefore, the key aspect is the first advice to both citizens and legal entities, as well as businesses proper fixation is now already clearly defined the subject of verification and as already submitted statements of a full-scale attack, and accordingly, since august, a slightly different mechanism has been operating, these are the local self-government bodies and, accordingly, the military administrations under them appropriate commissions are created to verify the applications for action that were submitted earlier and, accordingly, carry out the necessary acts of inspection of damaged or destroyed property and issue the corresponding documents, which they themselves enter into this newly created register of damaged and destroyed property, but this is possible only on liberated territories, well, territories which, but people should understand, because i will tell you frankly

, literally a month ago, a month and a half ago, there was not a single one on the mechanism, not even a fixation, someone went through property valuation exports, someone through appraisals, someone else from criminal proceedings, there is a forensic medical examination. that is, frankly speaking, there was really chaos, and this is not even a claim to the authorities, this is a claim to the fact that we are now working in the world, and not in ukraine, a unique mechanism therefore, right now, we can safely give recommendations to our community on the air, what, how , and what should be done in order to receive uh, when will it be, according to uh, already uh, all these international compensation mechanisms, respectively, compensation for your lost or damaged property, i.e. fixing the local self-government body, whatsa, obtaining the relevant inspection reports and filling in the corresponding register of destroyed and damaged

property, this register will work directly with this register , and the international compensation commission has already been created. well, let's add mr. dmitry to our conversation. in general, you know, if we are already talking about these compensations, this is a conversation between the winners, we are talking from the position that we have won and we are thinking about how we will rebuild the economy account of the aggressor state, but if we analyze the historical base, we know that the reparations paid by germany lasted for decades, and israel in particular ended, if i am not mistaken , somewhere in the year 2000, well, a few years ago, probably very recently, in your opinion, how many years will it take and if we are already talking from this position of the winners , how many years will it take us to get everything we claim from russia? i think that it will take us many years, and the russians

will continue to fight this war for a long time, but er, this time will still depend on how many er, exactly, there will be er military actions, military actions on the territory of ukraine, and then er, on the decision of whether we will inflict er, not as it is, irreparable damage to the russians to the troops, yes, that is, what will force them to admit defeat, or will we stop at the borders of ukraine, liberating our country, and let them decide their fate and the fate of compensation in the future, will they be forced or voluntary to buy off the russians and the new russian government if

he "will appear someday and already after that we we will somehow be able to decide how and how much the compensations will be, and they will be formed or paid out to the last penny. that is , we can go with the path of seizing and using those assets that are currently abroad, which are russian, and we can, russia will to pay them already as the state, that is, or we, as the army, yes. that is, we took the asset, the profit from it. we transfer it to the state. have not only a monetary a-a such a monetary

dimension, but also an economic dimension, even the same e-e energy resources yes there naftogaz a-a the world was very actively moving towards abandoning e-e these energy carriers as very harmful harmful to ecology and to switch to more ecological ones there , that is, if we now say so and arrest some part of naftogaz there, this does not mean that the profits from naftogaz will remain at the same level, they will fall there because of the fact that the world will move to another energy sources well at least you should now finish your opinion, you need to calculate business activity and business warehouses of these assets, i wanted to ask you about the world

experience, if we mentioned this sad reparations and compensations, how long do these processes last? well, i can give you such an example that germany paid reparations for the loss of the first world war according to the treaty of versailles until 2010, that is, almost 100 years 96 but i would also raise one important and such a difficult issue of compensation for damage not only for e-e, material damages, but when it comes to, for example , the death of loved ones, the infliction of injuries, the task of torture, and so on, the jury and mechanisms must work here. that is, e-e, appropriate criminal proceedings must be carried out with court verdicts and persons who will be recognized as victims are victims

in the order of civil compensation can file lawsuits for compensation for material and moral damage caused as a result of a crime committed, and this is a mechanism that should also work clearly and, accordingly, with compensation on the part of the russian federation as an aggressor state , which committed, and not by establishing this simple mechanism, let's say when there is someone to blame, for example, the same russian gunner was caught, or some military serviceman who was captured alone, and he must pay this compensation i.e., this compensation should be transferred to the interstate level and a base of reparation compensations should be formed for exactly this type of crimes committed, this is exactly why we are not afraid to carry out exchanges, we release

prisoners who are allegedly guilty of having to compensate, if not personally, then in some other way, uh, understanding that in the future he will do it one way or another, oleksiy, a comment from you, yes, my little comment is related to the time frame for, yes, it is possible to receive compensation from the russian federation. i wouldn't draw quick conclusions now. why? because each individual's situation is not the compensation of reparations for voluntary forced laborers , it is unique. where did these reparations from the sale of oil come from, that is, in each such story, unique instruments act as compensation . they began in 1991 with a large percentage. in 2022, it was

minimal, and all this time oil sales took place. ukraine is working on the possibility of realizing the seized property in russian, as well as the assets of the russian federation, and this is if the appropriate international mechanism is developed, ratified by the country and modified within the framework of international treaties, everything can happen as quickly as possible, friends, and this is not a fad, it won’t take a decade or even more, it can happen in principle within a year, within two years, that is, as long as the political partner countries of the countries where, respectively, the assets of both the state and, respectively, oligarchs are arrested in russia, if well, let's get to that, and i'll say a few more words about people , because you see, i'm trying to emphasize specifically what kind of recommendations to give to people using our live broadcast, people ...

many people call and contact our association of local self-government bodies, the international association of small communities, deputies of the mayor's office, asking what, when will there be compensation, and is it appropriate that the state is now helping with damaged property , fix the windows somewhere, install the doors , is that it? the same compensation, yes, a direct answer to citizens, people, no, it’s not, it ’s two completely different tracks of a separate one, you fix the destroyed or damaged property for which you are waiting and, accordingly, the com and these from the russian federation or this compensation commission and separately if your property is damaged and local self-government bodies or authorities, including with the help of our international partners, have decided to help you now to make some small repairs there so that you can survive the winter in your home, yes, because this is an extremely important story this is what the

state is doing now so that humanitarian aid does not compete with anyone. it is humanitarian. yes, the state budget has already allocated 3 million hryvnias from the treasury fund to each community. works with krome, a separate program has already been accepted for such non-payment. well, a lot of our international partners also add corresponding help without waiting for reparations from abroad . the property of russians in belarus has already been arrested, the bureau of economic security reports on this, although in general the assets may be much more experts, you are the network of gas stations controlled by medvedchuk securities of the cypriot companies of mykhailo fridman and his own share in alpha bank, the share of the russian company

ruslan oleg deripaska and even the shares of the putin oligarch arkady rotenberg in the ocean plaza shopping center, in this case the other shareholders of the shopping center decided to transfer to the state budget two thirds of the total profit of ocean plaza mr. dmytro in to this list, which was recently announced by the president in particular, there are more than a thousand of such people and we can talk about the assets of wallets . what do you think? passed or not. it is not too late for us to take these actions that are useful, definitely useful for ukraine and for the state. i think that it is not too late because, first of all, for the operation of these assets, they can be considered assets when they work and bring some profit there. but

if it is the ocean plaza shopping center there which does not work for two -thirds of its time and does not and does not give any profit, then it is already a liability because the rent must be paid there and we will invest more in their maintenance than they will cost at the time of their implementation, so it is very important here somehow to remember when can this be considered an asset? when it will be a liability and find suitable managers or managers for these assets so that they bring profit, but let's take the reputation of alpha bank and the same friedman as his part in this alpha . the question is if we go there

not for the money itself. this bank does not work, then what do we need from that share and from the management of this asset if well, it does not cost us anything on anya on the market and does not transfer any benefit. well, thank you to you uh what uh uh they answered clearly and succinctly and so on put in the timing. we must thank all our guests for this and conclude our conversation studio with us were oleksiy buryachenko, candidate of political sciences, oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, and dmytro gromakovo, an expert at the international center for countering russian propaganda well, the nationwide marathon continues, stay tuned we thank you for your attention donetsk luhansk kherson

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