no, let's say it was not possible to evacuate for various reasons, because let's be honest, some people deliberately stayed in these territories, if they stayed in these territories, they went for mobilization, this is collaborationism and they will be punished for collaborationism, you just have to speak honestly, that's why you need to attract, join the ukrainian movement resistance and do everything possible so that in the occupied territories, for the enemy and for the occupier, this time of temporary occupation has become unbearable, so literally , briefly, tell me how military this procedure is surrender before, we have heard comments from military analysts and experts that it is not so easy, especially if you have just been mobilized, you do not have experience, that it is not really just to contact the opposite side and say that you want to surrender, and then it is true big problems related to this, people just don't have

time to give up because they say either their own or someone else's. even with local eh and somehow hide from them until the arrival of the ukrainian troops and then the ukrainian troops will surrender uh, high-speed, because it’s really a problem, but there’s an opportunity, you just need to hide somewhere until the front arrives. well, as a matter of fact, it turns out that only a few hundred thousand russians who managed to escape are the smartest, but you know, it’s not the same for everyone in russia federation because russia is actually engaged in deliberate genocide of indigenous peoples on its

territories, the most terrible situation is in crimea, but also thanks to mobilization, they want to destroy the indigenous representatives of dagestan, the kazakhs, the caucasus, and siberia , the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said that criminal mobilization is used in russia not only to to continue the suffering of people in ukraine and to increase the destabilization of the world, but also to physically destroy the men of the indigenous peoples who live in the territories controlled so far the catastrophic situation in the crimea temporarily occupied by the russian federation is fully confirmed, the information about the crimean tatar people is fully confirmed, the majority of mobilized and mobilization summonses are written there, precisely for the crimea, this is another element of

russia's genocidal policy, another reason for the immediate and harsh reaction of the whole world, said the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine mykhailo podolyak first of all, he says , one should realize the scale of the disaster, overcome the fear of putin's office, then go to mass protests , mobilization should be categorically refused thirdly, another russia without zet should start following the correct plan, stressed mykhailo podolyak, the question for you in general is to prove the fact of genocide. well, as a lawyer, you know it is quite difficult, but there were quite a few precedents in world history, let's say, where the country is still there for centuries past they still haven't recognized they have n't recognized uh-uh, it means that there was such a place in their history uh, in essence if we are talking about what is happening in the crimea, let's talk about the crimea, let's talk about the crimean tatars, we talked with tamil

so what are you there with mustafa dzhomilov our ether there with other representatives of the crimean tatar people, the only advice is to leave the crimea again. or it is possible that andriyka said to join the partisan movement, but from the point of view of the international organizations of hope. - first of all, it is unlikely that putin or his entourage or anyone until we end this war with our victory, we will not bring anyone to justice, we will be able to bring to justice only after we receive victory now, let us say whatever we advise . and we already see international organizations in our country have turned out to be inactive and ineffective. the united nations has also turned out to be an inactive red cross without an effective agency, and well, almost all international organizations that had so much money for their maintenance and that's it. they can't help us significantly in some small things, so they

are trying to do what they help, but to do something important in order to help the people who are currently suffering in the occupied territories in order to help even the citizens of russia who are now well, that’s it, well, i’ll tell you. i know cases of mobilization in russia when people are taken away even without summons, but now, uh, our guest in the studio said that you ignore trips, it’s better to pay fines. this is really uh, well, that’s a small solution. yes but most of them are taken away without any summons at all, they are loaded and brought to the military commissariat, and there they already write a summons with them, and in the military commissariat itself, you will no longer leave , they hand it over and immediately take it away. that is, there and you with a fine, we, uh, will not turn away from this summons, because you and they give it to you when you are already in the military commissariat i do not really believe that international organizations will be able to somehow help now, this is not a reason not

to contact them to the international community, it is still necessary to convey all this, it is still necessary to contact them, but i do not believe that anything will change significantly from this. i want to this is the fixation of crimes for the future, that is, i think that it is ukraine that will initiate the conspiracy after the victory, and in these changes and in these organizations, it can definitely be a component of the tribunal , which may soon be created there, after all. fix and of course it can and i think that all these organizations will also participate in these processes that will take place after ukraine wins, which i do not doubt for a single minute that this is so important and for the purpose of discussion and the key issue what will be a victory for ukraine , because in reality, when we are going to the border in 1991, we are talking about going to the border, for example, it is honestly self-deception to say, because if this russian

federation is preserved in its current form, if putin's regime is preserved, we are doomed to the repetition of the war putin actually needs now to freeze the conflict, he needs three years for a respite in order to lift the sanctions in order to grow new cannon fodder to go into a new war against ukraine with new strength because the very existence of an independent, democratic and successful ukraine is a sentence for the russian federation that putin, even laden, now retreat to the border in 1991 in order to take this time out for three years to recover and then again eliminate us that putin laden now freeze the conflict go to time-out in order to restart the war again, but what i want to say is that president volodymyr zelenskyy said very correctly and this is actually a huge merit, a huge thank you to the president for raising the issue of the kurin peoples because, unfortunately, ukrainians do not know what the russian federation is, we were fooled russian propaganda and we imagine the russian federation as something unitary, powerful and indestructible, but all this is a

lie, just like the second army of the world, just like the one and indivisible russia - it's all a pile of clay feet, in fact, russia is first of all a federation where there are about 90 subjects of the federation, among them, like, well, 21 national republics that proclaimed their act on state sovereignty in the 90s, and then some as about state independence, and there really live enslaved peoples, refi enslaved people therefore, the russian federation is the last patchwork empire of the world, and when this empire collapses, only then will peace and quiet be possible in this geopolitical region in which ukraine is located, so we are interested in being on the map of modern 30-40 independent states emerged in russia, an independent dagestan of independence, because immediately, for the sake of discussion, again, as you pointed out, sanctions are not lifted just like that in one day, they are also introduced there for a certain long period of time, and if the sanctions are effective, then they are definitely still in effect there and in

two or three years after, you know, when it was boring, he once said to yanukovych in his time, remember during a speech, well, that was all, and he introduced a political meme - that was all, and it was the discrediting of international organizations that at the beginning of the world war could not respond to hitler, who is as effective as i am, how putin is acting now, that's why he is. the same with sanctions . you know, lukashenka's behavior is constant, here he screws up the nuts, and here he lets go and shows himself to be a democratic leader, the same thing, unfortunately , putin can do if putin's regime is not stopped and there is no disintegration of the russian federation, but unfortunately, now our strategic partners just have to be honest, they are not interested in the collapse of the russian federation, they are frank about it, well, it is precisely because of nuclear weapons that they are honest , they are interested in weakening russia, but the ukrainian national interest is to finally end

once and for all russian imperialism, mr. roman to your question from the point of view of the military component, we know, we have already talked about it, that russia under sanctions is a very effective and influential tool, but if the tool will last conditionally there for a certain period of time. well, let's give it a year, two, three. well, how long will it last? there are certain repair factories there , armored vehicles and tanks are already there, they don’t have spare parts, that is, they will be able to recover with such potential in a few years. and most importantly, with what idea to move to ukraine again. well, maybe to other countries of the former ussr, technological they won’t be able to start the processes anymore, since they are boys, but they can easily start the processes of weapons production of the last millennium, and in principle

, like north korea or iran , they will be able to produce weapons that are allowed to be released the same countries that are occupied by the boys tens of years later, russia, in principle, can reproduce itself, but in the quality of the last century of the past thousand years. well, it is darker, they have a mobilization potential of more than 15 million, and this type of weapon is really it will represent a real threat, but we need to deal with it, we can fight it with high -tech weapons that are now being transferred to us and, in principle, level this threat within a certain time . this is only the complete collapse of the russian federation into its components if the russian

federation will be in the form in which it is now as a certain union state. this state will always be a danger for ukraine and for all of europe, continue further , mobilization will not solve the problems of the russian army , this was emphasized by the director of the us central intelligence agency, williams burns, he says that even if putin manages to mobilize 300,000 military personnel, it will not have an impact on the situation at the front, this is due to the fact that the mobilized they will not have the necessary equipment and knowledge, he added, even if putin succeeds in mobilizing 300,000 military personnel, it is not just about sending artillery to the front meat, a large part of which will not be well trained and will not have the necessary equipment or logistical support, the russian army has many problems and human resources are only one of them, he recalled the words of

budanov, and also from the last interview, he said that this mobilization - this is for us also a gift. and this is the mobilization of the russians. is it really so, considering that in principle they may be helpless for now, since they are not coordinated, at least that's what i talked about, what information did i get from our military, they say that they are not a threat so far because they have only just called them, that is, they do not yet have experience, they do not know how to go side by side with their fellows, so far it is not a threat, but even taking into account our ukrainian experience, when on february 24, everyone began to overcome the teroborony, someone before, someone sold bread, coffee, and so on. and once they became soldiers , now the quality of our army, even compared to february 24, has changed a lot because we went through this baptism of fire and now even the teroborona are real soldiers, will it not happen with

the russians have been following me for a few months and they will also get along, you see, you raised a few at once. i have been here several times for their russians, the mobilization potential of 15-20 million e-e russians. let's be honest, there are 140 million people living in this country, and this should be constantly reminded 15-20 million ukrainians need to be talked about constantly - these are people who probably have enough health to hold weapons, but the russian federation will never be able to mobilize 15 or 20 million people, we see that they are going to mobilize 300,000 and they can't arm them with anything, they can't give them normal first-aid kits , our boys and girls are already capturing these newly mobilized and they don't even have first-aid kits because the russian federation can't provide them with first-aid kits this is the story of a woman in a barracks screamed about tampons and pads, obviously. many

of our viewers saw this. this is absolutely real. the story is such a russian saying, gol is clever , that is, it is obvious that soon we will see russians who are simply what did they come to the military commissariat, why in why the dams, so they will fight at the front, uh, this is a real story, that's why i don't believe in mobilization potential, it's obvious if let's call it the potential of the population, but it's definitely not mobilization potential, as far as territorial defense is concerned, we celebrated territorial defense day for the first time, the day of territorial defense of the armed forces ukraine, and i spoke a lot on various broadcasts about territorial defense. believe me, i was not a military officer on february 24, either. on february 23, i was on the air of the rada tv channel as a political an expert and candidate of political science said that there will be no full-scale russian aggression because i drew my conclusions based on analytics and based on sober logic, i simply did not think that putin would act without taking into account any elementary logic at all, and i i myself became a

soldier on february 24. i had some military knowledge thanks to the fact that when i graduated from a military institute, but believe me, from the first day all these people who joined the ranks, for example, of our brigade of the 112th territorial defense brigade, when i came on 24 february brigade. my comrade told me we were 200. i say 200,000. he says no, 200 in total, but in a matter of hours, in a matter of days. well, before my eyes, when we were assembling the brigade, there were several tens of thousands of people armed with kalashnikov assault rifles, enlaves, and javelins, and all these people are ordinary kyivans. that yesterday there were journalists, journalists, publishers , housewives, they stopped it with ranks after a few days, and tank columns in the brovarsky direction, in the vyshhorodsky direction in the gostomel direction, and the other day, my brigade commander and i were in warsaw for a meeting with the minister of defense of

poland and we were invited there so that we could share the experience of ukrainian territorial defense, which is now so necessary for this experience of polish territorial defense. we were thinking about what to present to the minister of defense of poland. er, the chevrons were won by our territorial defense fighters in the battle with russian paratroopers at the gostomel airfield, and the minister of defense says, that is, your yesterday's housewives, your yesterday's housewives your yesterday's sellers and journalists destroyed the russian landing forces, so they destroyed the russian landing forces , because these people immediately became soldiers, they had what every soldier should have, motivation and patriotism and love in their hearts, these people knew what they were fighting for, they were capable of destroying even uh, summer units of russian england, i trust you to point out that there is potential and love in those people whom

putin has now mobilized with the floors. right there in the near future they will increase their 150 by 150 by 100,000 already by 150, so before that we remember that his offsholz in germany noted that billions will be poured into development there and it is the ukrainian army and the representatives of the ter defense and the armed forces of ukraine who will, you know, be such a good example in terms of quality, it is even possible to motivate instructors, that is, not nato representatives will come to us, and our military will travel here, i want to confirm these words that those countries that are in the first row of this in the theater of hostilities, they clearly understand that our tragic today is theirs, and tomorrow is completely probable, and finland and estonia and lithuania, latvia, poland, all of these from the countries that border the russian federation have already begun their rearmament, that is why they

have begun to strengthen their army. many of these countries do not give up their weapons out of good will. they often give up old models of weapons, but nato compensates them with new models of weapons, and believe me, poland and lithuania are morally ready that aggression may begin against them, and they they are preparing and investing a lot of money, unfortunately, they give it back when president zelensky quite deservedly criticizes germany for not wanting to give us tanks. i want everyone to hear and understand that the germans may have to remember , however, if in 1992 in there were russian tanks in berlin and germany was fine to pay in 1992, in any compensation for the russians to withdraw their troops from germany, and that's why now they are actually buying cheap russian energy sources to finance the war in ukraine. it's so easy for them tatiana, i have a question for you. i would just like to go back six months. because here there is a certain dissonance in my theses. on the one hand, we heard that we will win only when the

russian federation collapses into components, and on the other hand, well, we remember let's see what subjects there are in 80. how many of you are there in 76 and 90? they called these football players because now they have forged territories for themselves. look, it will fall apart into different separate states, but in what way will it fall apart, if you yourself pointed it out, i now already to tatyan, i ask that our partners are western leaders, yes. they are not interested in russia collapsing because it has, well, they are the second largest nuclear weapons potential after the united states of america, and here i have a question: in what way can this happen, like this can be legally enshrined, we remember when the ussr was collapsing, there was one person in particular, well, gorbachev, yes, in this case who could it be, ah, we don't mind taking it, we don't mind victory step by step, and the president announced it the other day that we can enter into negotiations

only after there is another president in the russian federation. that is, we are ready to win step by step, first another president of the russian federation and then other states that will be created on this territory, so i think that if there is already another president, then we will have someone to negotiate with and who will sign this document and it will happen a-a starting from the bottom. i turned on the tv this morning and saw an interview. i don't remember on which channel, but i saw an interview given by a resident of the russian federation from yakutia and she says that they have been fighting for a free yakutia since 1991. well, that ’s what this movement is rising. raise, and this is not

only in yakutia, it is the same caucasian republics for many years, which have been talked about for many years, in the first place, which are very many, and tatarstan has also been fighting for many years for tatarstan to be a separate state, so there are already processes there began and they began not now not with that war this war is this war. i think they will adapt these processes now and activate it, as far as how it can be and who will sign it if the president changes and how it will be in 1991 , everyone was also afraid, no one was ready and the united the states have now admitted that we were not ready for the collapse of the soviet union because it is a big country. i think they have several months

to prepare. but i also want to go back half a step with regard to mobilization. andriy has now raised a very interesting topic, ah, mobilization is a problem that i see in those mobilized from the russian federation, but what did andriy say about this? he says that there were very few of us. he came there with 200, it became a thousand, but there was spirit, a few, but there was spirit, but there was patriotism, but there was a thirst to win, but there was courage, this is something that is not present in the russian federation, so despite everything , because we have all this, ours really had it men and women who went to protect because they went to protect their families, their homes, their settlements , and even with all this, i communicate a lot with the military, i take care of

them . in fact, what is war, and post-traumatic syndromes and fear also began, and there were a lot of problems that we have, we have a whole country that is engaged in war, and to help these people, state medical medical institutions, psychics, psychologists psychiatrists-vanters, whose families support them and very, very chaplains, very, very many things. who helps these people so that they can adapt to these conditions ? we started with mr. roman's comment and then what you wanted to add, but there is very little to argue about. mr. roman, do you believe in the potential of them, in particular,

in our republics, are these protests capable of to lead to a change of regime, there is indeed a real protest potential, but he is already leaving, all the protest potential has made logies from russia, and there is only really agree with the peaks, the potential of the caucasus, the potential of tatarstan can be a face, and what kind of more practically throughout the territory of russia, there will be no practical potential for the russian federation to collapse the reparation demands of ukraine after the victory the level of the plinth of their economy and only after this will begin some processes of the collapse of

russia as such and this time, you just need to wait. the states were also against the collapse of the soviet union, if you remember the story, george was older, he came to kyiv, gave a speech in the kyiv style and convinced ukrainians that there is no need to collapse the soviet union, but they don't care one thing fell apart, and again, gorbachev was also against and the soviet union was destroyed by local elites, local communist elites, in particular, in ukraine, who felt that they could be the number one elite and could lead this process, they would also be our first allies, if it were strange it was not heard, but it was precisely about putin's elites in the national republics who realize their power when putin becomes weak and they will destroy russia in their own interests and did not direct themselves by war, this is very important. do you know the potential, please, because they are leaving russia

those who have money, those who have opportunities, there are many russians, the largest part of russians do not have this opportunity, and here i agree with andrii that partly among those who do not have the opportunity to leave will be those who are pro-putin, who will pull blankets over themselves and want to to be local with us at the end of the rubric is witty a-a whose crimea is so now kazakhs and georgians often react to russians who want to rent an apartment from them relevant videos flooded the network let's watch one of them from russia well if that's the case you don't need to register it is necessary to do it simply in general, in principle, tell me to stop pestering the visiting kazakhs, they even play ukrainian songs in food establishments. and in the social network tik tok, they launched a flash mob in support of ukraine. glory to ukraine. glory to the nation and to

the russian federation. thank you for this meeting, for this conversation, we were interested andrii kovalev , press officer of the 112th terro-defense brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, tetyana ivanova, a human rights defender, and roman svitan, a military expert , a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, nazar dugi, joined us via skype. but the air continues, so don't leave us unconquered cities of ukraine dnipro, the space capital of ukraine with the longest embankment in europe and the shortest subway, arose on the site of cossack earthworks, zaymish and freedom, the lessons of hitler's occupation, everyone was shot in the dnipro from 17 to 21,000 jews, after the expulsion of the nazis, it remained under the attack of enemy aircraft but

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