therefore, those who will determine their position, which will be determined over a period of time through internal consultations among themselves, but this aspect is external - it is good that such a direct discussion is now starting in a new context, and it would be appropriate if for ukraine in the end at least some special partnership format was provided at that time when will the procedures for preparing for joining the alliance continue in ukraine, nine countries are important for ukraine to be in nato, however, the united states was jumped in and germany reacted quite cautiously, whether our western partners will not appreciate this step a little. well, such as arrogance, in the end, after the speech of volodymyr zelensky, where he announced the accession to nato, the submission of an application under the accelerated

procedure, there was a press jens stoneberg's conference, where everyone expected the ukrainians, at least they expected what he would say. first of all, an official employed by nato, who in principle does not exist. there is no possibility, until a decision is made by consensus, indeed by all the leaders of the nato member states, to pronounce such things, this is the first, second, well, mr. column, first, he is also always quite careful in his statements because it is exactly the balance among all the positions of those countries that are in nato, that is also why, and for those who are in the topic, who really follow up and deal with the issues of our integration

into nato, it was expected that in principle the answer it will be something like this regarding different countries with different positions, well, traditionally, countries that border , especially physically, have a border with the aggressor, they feel this threat the most and they, of course, consolidate their support for ukraine to become a part of the alliance as soon as possible, because it is also within the framework of their national interests, they understand that this zone is a gray security zone, which now and where the war is going on, in principle, it has a very serious effect on their security and on their future , those countries that are more western and that feel less a direct threat from the russian federation, for example , regarding an invasion there, they are more careful and restrained because, in principle, some people still have such an opinion: what, well, we will accept ukraine, and this will also

provoke the majority of russia, for example, and we will have a third world war, although we remember we are the ones in bucharest in 2008, if the situation had been different, we wouldn't have been refused, then maybe russia wouldn't have attacked georgia and then ukraine . - just for that so that before submitting any such applications well, i'm just c- trying to understand, well, it's obvious to me , it seems obvious enough, maybe it's not obvious to m. in nato and it seems to me that everything is really obvious, because if nato was ready to fight right now, biden would not say that we will not do this from the very beginning. perhaps more productive as well

to submit other applications, other applications, uh, cases mean now judicial reform, what is meant now are various other reforms that concern the strengthening of democracy in the country, for example, freedom of speech, and so on and so on, because sometimes it seems that the processes are not uh unequivocal in this direction well, i think that here there is a certain confusion in the fact that, uh, not everyone understands what is meant by a simplified procedure, what exactly was meant in the office of the president. today i read an explanation from mr. zhovkva that it is without a passport but i think that it will not be possible to do without the pdc because the pdc concerns precisely these reforms in order to bring ukraine to the standards related to the judicial reform, i.e. the fight against corruption, the functioning of

democratic institutions, etc. the reforms of ukraine will have to be done anyway, at least after, let's say, ukraine will be granted membership of the alliance in some advance in some format, or will it be a full-fledged procedure started as a team by sweden it's just that finland and sweden were more prepared in these matters, and for them it was just a matter of taking a fragment and inserting it into the mosaic of the alliance with ukraine, there is no such thing, although in fact, in the military part, ukraine is making great progress in approaching the state of integration into the alliance, and this is undeniable and here is a question of context again, if it was 2008 or would it be 2019? is the 15th - this is the same story, it seemed to me from the 19th year, or if russia goes for the

annexation of the ordlo and the complete capture of the donetsk and luhansk regions, then it can it doesn't work in the way that was calculated in russia. that is, it may not block ukraine's accession to nato, on the contrary, it may change to the opposite, that is, to help the accession, and now that's all for me personally, there is no clear answer as to which arguments will prevail more equally in favor of which. because we see nine countries have declared their support unequivocally, we see that the usa and britain are thinking and will continue to think, just like germany, france, italy, we see opponents in them, but here the question is that this movement started yes and in fact, we have advanced to nato in the military part more than uh. that is, we have actually become

full members of the alliance by and large in the military in the military component, now it's all about the formal procedure. it simply really cannot be simply implemented through the principle of consensus because as i already said he said that turkey and bulgaria will definitely be against the fact that due to some fears in ukraine, it was decided not to provide the opportunity to join the alliance, but the very fact of the appeal creates a new contextual circumstance, namely let's assume that if putin tries to use nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, then the very fact of ukraine's application for membership in nato can already play a certain positive, certain positive role in the sense that the guarantees of ukraine

can somehow be valid get some guarantees that can neutralize putin's nuclear threats, at least a little bit about the entire alliance, mr. bohdane, not volodymyr, mentioned nuclear threats, nuclear blackmail, in fact, at this press conference, one of the journalists noticed that the question m.m. accredited journalists to the head of nato were all so worried, people are worried, and especially people who are abroad, for example, andriyeva 's sister, escaping from the war, ended up in norway with her children and says that norwegians are terribly afraid of a nuclear attack . in the crowds, you talk about the fact that oh, i disassembled the emergency suitcase, now i will collect the nuclear emergency suitcase, but more or less people are already ukrainians who have been living for the seventh month in

some kind of total stress with nuclear scarecrows, they don't care much about the nuclear scarecrows, but they are really worried about the border and whether this will affect in such a way that it will distract people who sympathized with us abroad, sympathized with us and supported us. in this way, if they continue to support us, they will support us in the confrontation with russia. well, actually, in this way we will lose military support as well. i think that it is hardly true because, in principle, it is the support of ukraine that is what it is. well, we need to constantly work, you know, to analyze what is happening in our partners, it is uh, it is logically clear for them, also within the framework of their national interests, really everyone thinks first of all about this

and this caution of nato and the pillars of the shores of other representatives of nato member states, it is also argued precisely by the increased level of threat in the context of a possible nuclear wars, that is, yes, and they compare the crisis that is now in the middle of the caribbean crisis , when there was a cold war and it was already on the verge of a confrontation between two poles, of course people they can get tired of the war, from the news with ukraine , from the fact that it’s really not always clear when it might end, yes. and who can really stop this evil for good? some kremlin is advancing or wants to advance, but on the other hand, i think that society is already in a certain in this format, they have already

passed this test in support of ukraine, and of course it is desirable that they do not have serious economic and energy catechesis, first of all, because the refocusing of attention will definitely take place, the redistribution of financial budgets capabilities will also be refocused, so if we are interested in a certain stability in the european union and in other countries of our partners. may be long and ukrainians really protect not only themselves but also protect value and freedom, but on the other hand, what was mentioned, we should also strive for parallel processes in the context of guaranteeing more specific and the supply of weapons and financial

opportunities for investments, for example, the creation of joint e-e enterprises of the military-industrial complex . of russian aggression while we are not part of nato, while we do not have clarity, he gave us an understanding of how procedurally our path will proceed directly into that alliance and one more element. i will remind you that in march when there were we remember that the issue of unblocking was discussed at a serious level there, and it was one of the issues in the possible agreements reached by the delegations. and now we understand that this is a completely different context and reality. of what happened in the kremlin directly. therefore, there are such reasons,

consequential relations, which are also worth paying attention to. thank you for your answers. volodymyr volya, political scientist, my people, if possible, october 14, 1962 the caribbean crisis began, now it will be 60 years ago this year, i do not rule out that putin will arrange some kind of show like the caribbean crisis with threats not only tactically with nuclear weapons, but also with strategic ones. therefore, this october he will be very symbolic and decisive, as they say. who knows what he is ask for a gift thank you, gentlemen , volodymyr volya, an international political scientist, and bohdan ferins, an international expert candidate of political sciences, were with us, we are moving on. and then we will talk a little about the economy, yaroslav zheleznyak, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, students of finance, tax and customs policy, we

are joined by mr. yaroslav good day, sir. is ready to give us 1.5 billion dollars a year, and 12 billion have been allocated, and this surely means that in general we can more or less confidently look at whatever budget we have, relatively speaking, we can to look more or less reliably into the future, i hope so, even more, we have three months left until the end of the year. well, all the more so, there will be more tax payments in the last months. they have already promised that it will arrive by the end of the year, it is approximately 15-17 billion dollars. that is, we are still

stocking up in advance and next year, uh, i think that 35 billion will be received for the whole year from - maybe from the imf, maybe without uh, like me i say it many times, including on the broadcasts of your channel if we think that the world will get tired and will not find its little money, believe me, for the world economy it is less than the united states spends to support its semiconductor production, then no, the world will support us and from the economic part we will pass calmly and only next year and how much will be needed for of our victory. and now the important question is what i think of yuliya svirydenko, the first vice -prime minister wrote a new article. what price does it mean at any price that the main factor in the rapid development of ukraine and changes in modernization will be the reduction of the state's share in the

redistribution of gdp with the country in the budget let's say this and uh and this and this and this was a good article it was discussed a lot but that's not less, many people saw such very progressive things in this, and now they wrote a new article and where she writes that ukraine requires investments and then writes about that shocking uh, industries where it is worth attracting investments, where it is worth investing and there with a huge margin of almost 100 80 billion dollars investment potentials, where is ukrainian energy, and here is an interesting moment, because what is happening in ukrainian energy today is a process where state control and state presence are increasing, this is multiplied by the fact that people who are controlled by these processes and, in particular, want to create such a monopolized distribution of electricity the people of haluschenka, and these

are the people that the church of the week writes about, who in one way or another have some kind of common background , for example, with andriy derkach, and this is a person who already she is officially accused of treason in our country and these are processes that are also very contrary to what ms. suveredenko started about, namely that the presence of the state should decrease in our country, you can put it all on the shelves so that people understand what is happening. i will try to answer points by point. look, uh, i'm sure yulia is right about why the smaller the state is, the better, although it is not a conditional panacea. in this year 's budget, our fiscal part of gdp is less than 20%. therefore, it is probably one of the smallest in europe, and maybe shine and why because we take much less taxes than er we spend well because they spend half of the budget er finances

foreign partners and there is nothing good here and there are countries in which the share of the somali state is very small, there are a few percent but because of that, it did not become very developed. and there are big places, for example, in germany, and they have uh, or belgium, or data, or norway, and they still live quite well, somehow, well, i don’t see that their economy there is declining. therefore, this is not a panacea but of course we would like it to be there are fewer state-owned banks and state-owned enterprises. a state- owned enterprise is generally a construction site. 99 politicians, politicians, come only to saddle them, and that’s why you’re in your money. well, you can definitely agree with yulia on this. next, we need investments. it’s possible. it’s possible. well, look at the conditional tenders or auctions in the correct way to say at some er state

enterprises in distilleries, again if houses that are sold, well, on hand as real estate well, there is a lot of competition there, prices are still rising there two or three times during the auction. this is definitely a plus. we need to attract that money. we have a problem with the security guarantee, and here there is a partial solution due to the insurance of military risks . it is a more global solution. we need to become a member of nato and finally defeat our enemy. for him to create a micro-organization, but these are the challenges that we face and as far as energy is concerned. yes, there is a problem with german galushchenko and rostyslav, who also has a lot of unpleasant things from your fellow journalists, and what is not related to anti-corruption in terms of politics, we will say yes, but in general, ukrainian energy is also our advantage, we can export over it, we are already exporting

electricity, we need to consume less at once domestically, export more of it, it is not bad, there is a large project about the water company on coriander, when we spoke, they were preparing a plan for lugano, they there they separately wrote a cool project for several years, probably even for 10 years, but this is, well, a big advantage of ukraine is biofuel, it should also be sufficiently developed. and we are an agrarian country, we can to do this. and there is a demand for it. look, as a result , the number of biodiesel cars in ukraine is being sold, almost all of it is for export, and the same applies to tickets. ambitious, but i do n't see anything wrong here. the more the better, war is definitely not a factor when we have to stop the

creation of an investment climate, but he as always , as for decades, we say that it depends primarily on the law enforcement system to she worked in the judicial e-e branch of government in what is called electronic affairs. well, it’s normal for decorative politics so that no one demands you to take documents at the highest level for every certificate. thank you, mr. yaroslav and yaroslav zheleznyak, people’s deputy of ukraine and first deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on finance, tax and customs policy was with us. we are moving on and started our hour with the fact that the finns first thought and then changed their minds to settle next to ukrainian refugees russian refugees because they regarded it as still a high level of threat, and actually it is about how ukrainians, next to russians, end up somewhere abroad. the following story is from our

interlocutor oksana stebelska, an artist who is currently in germany because the war drove her out of her native home together with her children, so something separated us from mrs. oksana, and there is some uh, a bit like that. a confusing story. i actually wanted ms. oksana to explain it. and started er, they say that they should help her learn german, oksana, so that i don’t have to retell your story, you’d probably better tell it first -hand, er, the coexistence of our children with russian children in germany, and che- is it this wave that as a result of the announced mobilization from russia began. are these some other emigrants who were previously russian and ended up in germany? good day to you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes

. i'm glad we have it the opportunity to communicate well, of course you know hmm europe has always very much declared such democratic tolerant values ​​ah and to us here every day he talks about the fact that well somehow people in their schools are out of politics and that ah we came here, let’s say the children came to gain knowledge but with clarifying relationships and so on, but of course we work, we talk to our children. we teach them not to react to some very painful topics, but we are ukrainians. we understand very well that our children are still in a certain stressful psychological state condition and when uh, even on the playground uh, they are playing different children, and children from the russian federation come along and as soon as they start this political topic, and especially you must we will win there, there were even phrases like how you will die and so on, it is

clear that children somewhere declare the things that they hear in their families and simply our children 's psyche is already so traumatized because we understand why we are here, we fled from the enemy from russian aggression and the children are really worried and worried that these russian hands will not reach to them and here, too, it is our task as adults and parents to teach our children to rise above this, not to react, not to let it close to the heart, but the task of course is for parents to intervene in such a situation and not allow such things to be tolerated, because we already have a lot of aggression from the russian federation received and to be honest, explain it here in europe that it is not only putin's problem and it is not only the problem of this system of this imperial chauvinism, well, a lot sits in the heads of the people themselves and they really do not fully understand what a huge threat they bring to light with their ideology, and it's not only in schools. we

organize many protest demonstrations here, and there have been such incidents when, let's say, people who disagree with the demonstration are chased by the citizens of the russian federation and they got such things that they burned cars there uh for ukrainian uh this flag and so on, that is, there were a lot of different incidents anyway we always say when we organize something when we when there are a lot of us when we gather together threats. and when we are simply separated by a fence, we somehow move around our towns. we must, well, very clearly fix such things, we must talk about them, if it is at school, that means with the school director and the teacher, and not allow bullying of our children in any way and even more so on some political subgroup on your specific situation, how did you solve this situation or did any relevant authorities complain, and also tell about how she wrote on facebook and as

a result, this post disappeared several times and with what we are connecting it, well, to be honest, this was really news to me because i didn't use any profanity and i didn't use anything offensive well, it's just me, i think that in principle according to more or less public people i'm not saying that i'm terribly there after all, he has been in the public sector for a very long time and he organizes a lot of different actions here too. i'm just convinced that we are being followed as soon as you write a message with a description and this topic is immediately picked up by a lot there are definitely people who repost likes and comments who are complaining in my case, i just told it from the context of this situation, i say once again without using any figurative words except what i wrote at the end is it a-ah, is it the consequences of russian burial or not yet, well, i literally wrote

the word in ukrainian letters especially with mistakes , uh, about what the russian girl said, what can you do, but they wrote in ukrainian letters that we will read it, and uh, really birds , only for a thousand uh, swearing likes, this post typed everything, it disappeared and i received a warning, uh -e from purpose that this is the language of aggression and there is no right to be such a post, i was building an appeal there, they sent me a message again that they had checked this appeal and considered it. no, this is the language of aggression and so on. i put it up again. they blocked me again and did not warn me that my page they will block it altogether if i mean to make such posts, i’ll be honest, later in the evening i simply posted uhlobystyna from krasnoy ploshchad with the caption and meanwhile uh means in russia uh sabbath so the most interesting thing is that no

one suspected anything in any language enmity and leave no one has anything personal on all fronts, a russian girl can say to a ukrainian child that you are all umliot and it is not hate speech. and the ukrainians who write about it on facebook cannot write about it because it is hate speech, as a result here is the story with this russian girl, how did it end and you know, we here, the investigative forces, conducted a study of all the children who played on this playground, and in fact the teachers got very involved. that is, this girl does not study at this school. well, in fact, she turns out to be even they still haven't had time to really enroll, that is, the girl won't learn this at school. yeah, well, i think it's fair. thank you, oksana, for the story. thank you for what you're doing there, being far from the country. what's there to defend? the struggle for ukraine is

really needed - it is needed and continues on all fronts , and everyone in this struggle should be highlighted because in this way you protect other children from that abuse well, that's why russians are russians , they are not because they are some i don't know the race of satan or something like that, you know well, just because well, somehow they are wrong to build a different perception of good and evil and if parents do that when children respectively it is just a mirror and that's how our next hour of the marathon ran imperceptibly to the end and she will tell you her and us too. thank you for your work. the news editor will work further. i will tell you about the most important thing. the russian nazis attacked the ravine.