and the crime of military aggression, because it is such a special tribunal, would be sent directly to the address of putin at the very top of the kremlin, it could affect it as an instrument for international justice, and as an instrument which have a very large political significance, both for the internal situation of russia itself and for the rest of the rest of the world, and what is the problem of why there is no such tribunal or why it is not created. or there are personal ones here, just a little bit, another question

already of international law. ukraine and i judge all the annexations there, what putin is doing, but uh, resolutions, we repeat once again that the european parliament is launched precisely for the creation of such a special tribunal - this does not change the fact that eh, the already working international tribunal when i on the crime that he must investigate the crime that was evident there and in bucha and in irpen and in izyume, but the special tribunal in relation to the eh criminal military aggression he has eh ochen this discussion is very important. they are moving forward. ukraine is making good, good, good steps forward, but also countries that, i don’t know, haven’t been killed yet. they are still thinking about something. they need to be convinced of this. uh, in this regard, kak

to punish russia for committing a new crime, and in this regard, we should think not only about sanctions, in the lost sense of the word, but i am also a tribunal. it doesn't really affect putin, and it doesn't contribute to him ending the war, but look at the fact that many politicians and european americans are talking about putin being a war criminal. some mechanism or tribunal that would uh, it brings putin's responsibility. well, then what should he do so that when he first leaves, for example, from russia, uh , he is arrested, because he is leaving, he was recently in samarkand. in my opinion, he is absolutely not afraid to go anywhere , he does not meet anyone, despite the fact that he is

called a war criminal, uh, legal shards, uh, based on international law, and there is still enough, that is, there is an investigation, as i already said , of these war criminals but i'm not he suggested that the russian soldiers who committed crimes against you there are officers, but this is yours in order for these soldiers to reach putin to investigate this, let's say a mass war crime - it will take a very long time, and it is not clear whether it will lead to putin himself. and what do the international lawyers say? and after

eh, for which he will deal only with the question of responsibility for the crime of military aggression , that is, someone gave the order to start this greece who am i sins, this is the tribunal, he was eh very quickly and would have been directed eh would have led to decisions and he was direct leadership of the kremlin, that's what the difference is here. and that's why we say that this is a tribunal, it should be created as soon as possible. what's next it is possible to do as far as i understand this question was raised by the ukrainian delegation and eh in eh the jumper of large nations recently eh there are countries that the tribunal already

supports it works very well, the former former chairman of our constitutional court, the doctors , kept us secret from us, izvesient. so what are we doing with sanctions uh, where are the arrangements for those mechanisms already appearing, here is already the eighth package, this is completely new, not in a new business, and as i say . we are ready to convince them and that's why we created uh, took the most different questions to support ukraine, gave uh, kissed all those politicians and the most different countries, uh, an international network called united ukraine

, there are 300 parliamentarians of the most different types we , they would become embodied in life much more bystro, well, we have fresh sociology, the absolute majority of europeans, 66%, spoke in favor of ukraine joining the european union with such and such a survey was conducted by the betelsmann foundation in june. this is reported by the german publication pain. the level of approval of such a decision, of course, is different in different eu countries. well, for example, in poland, 84% of respondents were in favor of ukraine joining the european union; in germany and france, the level of support is slightly lower, around 60%. well, let me remind you that according to the data of the sociological group, the rating of 86% of the surveyed ukrainians supported the accession of ukraine to the european union in and in case such a referendum were to be held now. well, the next

topic. we have fighters of the 93rd mechanized brigade of the armed forces of ukraine. they use the trophy russian self-propelled gun hyacinth in the battles in donbas. several of these guns were captured after the russian troops retreated . from the kharkiv region, the correspondent of radio svoboda, roman pagulych, will tell the details of this story, so to speak, skillfully, quickly and without fuss and very clearly defeat the russian federation, the administrators of some problematic issues we solve it very quickly, precisely, clearly, and we move on to the

next dangerous direction for the time of settlement, there are questions, so to speak , 28,500 . so that this one continues to work and

seems to be more precisely the nature of the work, the infantry reconnaissance groups that come to the front are launched anton, directions, again, some mobile operational groups that are already watching have moved away, ours inflicted either a defeat or something like that, here are these 152 mm trophy shells, they were in short supply in ukraine even before the russian invasion, and there was an attempt to expand their production in ukraine, but it was unsuccessful. here is this self-propelled the hyacinth installation and a certain number were in service with the armed forces earlier, but they were almost never used due to the worn-out resource. from kharkiv

oblast, that is, we didn’t pull them in, someone else would have pulled them here, but right now we are working on them , and let them get the same weapon in the hole and the car from conservation, this car is new, that is, it will be preserved, it has never been preserved she shot, she launched from the air and reached here, she was there, very quickly, there were no breakdowns , nothing, come on, the guys are busy for a long time, more than 4 hours, no one is standing because it is very problematic that they start throwing every landing

this was a report by sharoman pagulych from the donetsk region. well, in a liberated village in the kharkiv region , they found a torture chamber where the russian military tortured local civilians and captured servicemen. this was reported today by the head of the investigative department of the national police in the kharkiv region, serhii bolvinov, after the de-occupation of the pisky-radkiv village, local residents reported that in the basement of one of the houses, the russian occupiers had set up a torture chamber from which screams could be constantly heard; on the spot, ukrainian law enforcement officers discovered a box with extracted teeth prostheses, wires, ropes, the police say that they know about the facts of torture, burying people alive in the ground and using gas masks with a smoldering rag, the russian military detained civilians of local armed forces and prisoners and

the armed forces of ukraine. servicemen, but who and in what way should prove all this in court, we will talk further , oleksandra romantsova executive joins the broadcast director of the center for civil liberties. good evening. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. you know this box with dentures. it's just that i see many people have been derailed, and it's definitely a very emotional element of the crime, but we know that if it didn't look scary, some kind of visual evidence is needed. concrete evidence is needed in international courts. which ones would be included in the evidence base. please tell me how difficult this task is and who should do it. well, apart from the investigators of the national police , there are actually such proceedings in ukraine now first of all, the prosecutor general's office, that is, as of 2019, there is a separate department that we

call the war department among ourselves, but in fact it is a department that is responsible for the implementation of international crimes, such international crimes are precisely war crimes, crimes against humanity , the crime of genocide and the crime of aggression, and accordingly if we say that everything that is found by the police of the sbu and the investigative prosecutor's offices themselves, now all these services are included in the documentation of war crimes, because well, a little is not enough - it would not be enough, to be honest in any country, only the police or only the prosecutor's office would not be enough, because there are currently more than 38,000 episodes of crimes in the database of the prosecutor's office, we are human rights defenders, we also document war crimes, and covering the entire country, we currently have more than 20,000 e-e episodes of such crimes and that's all all this, of course, should first of all get into the

national judiciary, but in the meantime, you know that the international criminal court is currently conducting its investigation here in ukraine - this is the largest group of investigators and they select those episodes that will go gaga, that is, in the international crimea, in the court, which are in the garage, there are implementation of war crimes on the territory of ukraine, and in the future such accusations will actually be brought against the russian armed forces, and most importantly, directly to putin and directly to the leadership, that is, to the generals here it is very important to understand that this is the only court that can make such an accusation and it will be putin himself who will be personally responsible. as the commander-in-chief and all those generals who made those decisions, the question remains open how to cover the participation of every officer and soldier, of course, i repeat once again, no national law enforcement system can cope with

more well, almost 40,000 episodes. and the more time and the larger the population where the occupation was, the more war crimes and torture , one of them. evidence and cases, and conditionally after the end of the war, can it be started? now, as long as the war is going on, it can be started, there is no such restriction , at the same time, it must be understood that war crimes are much more complicated in terms of evidence than ordinary criminal crimes, because all of us and you we actually live, well, i mean, i am in the kyiv region, our organization works in the kyiv region, and we actually live with you at the place of the crime. that is, we changed them, we cleaned

them, we people just collected the debris of various different the weapons with which they were shot. yes, and apart from the evidence , you and i exchanged all this, so in order to prove directly that this is a war crime, we need to collect the necessary expertise. and after the release of raisin, france also confirmed that their criminalists would come again to to help our prosecutor's office, because it must be clearly understood that this is not because we are incapable there or that we are not doing well. there was a great source of professional potential soldiers, and a certain number were forced to leave and be women, for example, with children, and in a certain way, that is, we had such a group of people who could do it, in addition, french criminalists, criminalists from the un, criminalists from

of the international criminal court, these are people who worked with the military all over the world and war crimes. they know how to document the best, so the nearest court we expect is a trial in the case, it will be a trial in the international court of justice of the un where the agent of anton korenevich, a special diplomat of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, will represent ukraine in the genocide case, this is the closest - the closest is expected in october. cases are constantly being considered in the european court of human rights, that is, it is not necessary to expect that only the international criminal court in this case will be the place where these crimes will be condemned. there is also such a thing as universal jurisdiction of more than 10 countries for with this universal jurisdiction, cases about war crimes in ukraine were opened in their national courts

, it will be much faster. well, for example, poland, spain , sweden, and the number of these countries is increasing, that is, relatively speaking, poland can hear a case in its court for a specific crime in the kharkiv region. i understood this correctly . it can definitely be connected with polish citizens there, yes, yes, that is, the idea is that international crimes are terrible wherever they occur, that is, war crimes should not happen nowhere else, sooner or later, this is dokstantin to you , that is why universal jurisdiction works here, and for example, we are now in poland at such a conference that created the osce, and here most of the activities that human rights organizations are doing, well, these are ukrainian activities. despite the fact that there are 57 countries and these our polish colleagues and even colleagues from other countries, from france, from the netherlands, from all countries that are currently

interested, and human rights defenders, for example, all around , you know, are showing solidarity, because i repeat it once again. the problems of not only ukraine, everything that happens on the territory of ukraine is visible because ukraine is a high-tech country covered everywhere by the internet, and we are so quick to show that ukraine is not the first georgia, chechnya, syria, moldova. you are welcome to join our broadcast oleksandra romantsova , the executive director of the center for civil liberties , was on radio svoboda oleksiy kovalev nataliya korolevska ilya kiva - this is not a complete list people's deputies of ukraine who left the country after the russian invasion or openly sided with the kremlin, but at the same time they continued to receive payments from the state budget of ukraine after february 24. how did it happen? who will be responsible for this and is there a procedure for returning this money, because it is the

money of ukrainian taxpayers well, that is , you and i dealt with this issue, roksolana bychay, more than 200,000 deputies, fugitive oleksiy kovalev, was paid by the verkhovna rada after the start of russia's full-scale aggression against ukraine, despite the fact that back in april the people's deputy went to his native but at that time already occupied city of gola prystan in the kherson region, he supported the russian occupation of ukrainian territories and at the same time received a deputy's salary and even compensation for traveling through ukraine, this was reported by investigative journalists of the publication bihus.info, the same story from as viktor medvedchuk's henchman and co-chief , he received payments while in unknown whereabouts, as well as nataliya korolevska and her husband, deputy yuriy solod, and even ilya kyiv, who is now in moscow will support the war against ukraine, but who is responsible for this, the salaries of the deputies are charged by the verkhovna rada apparatus, and it consists of a fixed rate and additional payments and compensations, for example, for housing or travel through

ukraine, on average, it is uah 50,000. it turned out that all these deputies received not only a fixed rate , which amounts to sums but also other compensations do not work, the inflexibility of this bureaucratic apparatus is not efficient, we still see these facts, well, about the fact that they are reimbursed there for housing, for travel, or on execution of deputy powers by the ment according to the submissions of the committees where they work each separate committee the secretariat of the committee the head of the secretariat and the head of the committee sign the monthly camp which is sent to the apparatus of the verkhovna rada on the basis of this and the timesheet compiled by the apparatus is already being prepared to pay the deputy 's salary directly in the end in april the re committee did accept decision what allowed the operator of the verkhovna rada to stop payments to deputies who actually do not

work at the beginning of the war is the same decision of the committee accepted it in relation to the assistants of these deputies, because the state also paid salaries to those deputies who are outside the territory of ukraine, about which there is no official information, that is, during the period of martial law, the accrual and payment of funds to them is stopped, they do not carry out deputy activities, respectively, and salaries, because they do not attend open-air meetings meeting, whether there is a mechanism to return this money back to the budget or bring those responsible for it to justice, it is difficult to say now, but there are precedents when deputies were tried for this, i will give an example of four people's deputies against whom there are currently four proceedings when there was a similar situation when the deputies received compensation for housing, then the inspection established that they have all housing. this does not mean that they are now receiving compensation, there will be no punishment after they will lose their mandate , he believes that this was not taken care of in time, that is why such

mistakes happened. and are some of these deputies currently being paid money from the state budget? he says he does not know why there is a certain period of time. directly at the beginning of the full-scale war after february 24. well, there were certainly some moments that were not always paid attention to, that these people are no longer receiving, then one should inquire whether, in the apparatus of the verkhovna rada, the messages we sent to nadi did not stop earlier and whether they stopped them now, however the aforementioned deputies did not comment on the situation until they received an answer, so we will wait until the verkhovna rada apparatus prepares an answer for radio svoboda and we will definitely share this answer with you. how did it happen that the deputies received salaries and we now this story or we will definitely discuss it on the air. i just want to share with you the latest news, in particular, the deputy chairman of the supreme court

and the head of the commercial court of cassation as part of it, bohdan lviv, who was recently investigated by the journalists of the scheme program about the fact that he has a russian passport, so he was dismissed from the court staff, the press service of the supreme court reports that it was lviv who was dismissed on the basis of information from the security service, which was confirmed after the journalists had the investigation of the security service confirmed that the court indeed has the citizenship of the russian federation . this is how the story of where is lviv ended. well, igoreyterovych, a political scientist with a candidate of political science, joins the broadcast. did they indirectly support putin's regime? do you think this is a regrettable mistake, or is it simply the inaction of the relevant bodies there or the apparatus of the verkhovna rada simply did not notice in time that it should be stopped to pay the salaries of these deputies, or is there some

other reason? i think that two reasons are combined here, on the one hand, there is a purely bureaucratic moment, somehow due to inertia, these calculations continued to be made, but this is connected with the second reason, because you understand formally, some of these people e- they remain people's deputies from their feet, no one removed this status and according to them this salary or some other er money should be accrued and the apparatus would simply do it if they received er some command directly the leadership of the verkhovna rada that it is necessary to stop doing this with a justification with reference to certain decisions or legal documents , of course this would not happen, but this problem is in an elevated state because until today they have not reached the idea of ​​what to really do with those deputies who firstly, they represent the political forces already banned in ukraine today, well, the specific psg, and secondly, for example, they are not in ukraine at all, although it seems to me that the mechanisms are prescribed in the constitution, one of these

mechanisms. it would be possible to apply judicially to recognize them as those whose location cannot be established and on the basis of this to take away mandates from them. it is true, but if we are talking about the calculation of salaries for deputies there, then we are mainly talking about deputies of the people's republic of ukraine, because that is precisely the majority of them or he is not in the country, or as medvedchuk is already in russia, and it really turns out that there is a party, and the party was banned, but the deputies were not banned. intent well, maybe someone here needs them, natalya korolevska or mr. rabinovych, or maybe those who are present in the verkhovna rada or are there, look, one does not actually exclude the other. of the constitution, the constitution contains an exhaustive list of the reasons for which they can be deprived of their mandate, some of them require a court decision, and these processes are

sufficiently long and stretched out in time, and another question arises: what to do with those who did not leave countries that go to the meeting on the basis of which to take away this mandate because the ban on the party is not provided for in the constitution, for example. and here is the second point that does not exclude the first one related to the fact that there is a certain political expediency in that this issue is in an elevated state and final it is not decided why, that is, there is no precedent for taking away at least one mandate of one of the deputies . and it would be possible to bring up, for example , the history of taking away a mandate, for another reason, political expediency, because pay attention to how voting has been taking place in the last, well, at least 1.5-2 months in the verkhovna rada, and where do the votes come from for all the important decisions that are made there, the representatives of the banned party, the opzzh party, to this day, who go to the verkhovna rada are the most conscientious voters, they support absolutely all the initiatives of the government and often put their shoulder to the heel of a bill that

does not have enough votes, for example, in a monomajority, well, this is objective and reality, there is no point in rejecting it. and by the way, the leadership is a servant mrs. olena admitted this to the people, she said directly in an interview that we cooperate constructively with them, they vote conscientiously and support all our initiatives. this is the answer in principle to the question why from a political point of view these processes are not speeded up and there is no attempt to resolve them it would be more expedient to ask ms. shulyak why you lack your votes if you are asking for help from the pzj. well, look, these are the deputies who really honestly go to work and vote. and there are deputies who simply do not exist, rabinovych korolevskyi, as i said, disappeared and are not there. and you also quoted, it seems, an article of the constitution, and even one of the deputies, roman hryshchuk, also wrote that about what article 81, paragraph three, if a deputy is missing, he is missing, roughly speaking, you can take him away the mandate can be interpreted in this way, this law is possible,

only there must be a court decision that recognizes that we cannot establish the location and take away the mandate, but look, maybe there is a robin, will he wake up in israel, it seems interrupts stay yes and will say that i am alive i am here i am just not coming to ukraine but at least there are a few mps from the upsj they are sitting in russia or in belarus they understood that they will not make such statements the court can easily make this decision and it was possible would apply this norm of the constitution and show, in principle, to all the other vagrants who left and did not return that exactly such actions will be applied to you, for me it is nonsense that this issue was not resolved during the war, especially you they just rightly said that there is even an understanding among the representatives of the monomajority. how to do it, that is, a political scientist with a candidate of political sciences was on radio svoboda, and that's it. we conclude. i

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