this was meant and no one would sign this non-proliferation treaty. and it must be said that it was signed today, it seems 195. well, almost 200 countries, of which only five are officially nuclear, and of the rest are non-nuclear, er, they are non-nuclear not because they can't do it, that's how most countries have given up nuclear weapons and are refusing and continue to refuse for the sake of the future of this planet, so that there are no such huge risks and the world develops, but if we are talking about the fact that nuclear weapons are used for capture territory, of course, the refusal cannot be voluntary and we will see after the use of nuclear weapons of any combat use, not just tests, we will see that in 5-10 years dozens of

nuclear countries will appear. well, maybe not dozens during the five more years will appear there, within ten there will be a dozen, and by the end of the century half of the countries will be nuclear. that is, all the obligations that were there will be destroyed if russia uses nuclear weapons, it will not happen within a week or two and it will appear that russia has achieved but in the perspective of a few years it will become clear that russia has lost its last exclusivity. what kind of exclusivity it had on nuclear weapons will turn out to be japan, south korea, etc. we do not know. i think that if ukraine survives, it will also become nuclear because of the use of nuclear weapons by russia is because none of the past commitments will apply and this will also change our attitude to such weapons once they are used.

this global global nuclear order will collapse, and russia is actually afraid of it, and it is precisely because of these fears that such strange steps are taken by zanexia, in order to make blackmail convincing, and they are trying to eliminate it within the framework of this global nuclear order, which provides that a nuclear country can defend itself, but it cannot can wage colonial wars with the help of nuclear weapons , and russia is trying to convince the species that it will now defend its own territory and not seize another, so what will happen? well, of course, russia no one will believe it if it uses nuclear weapons, no one believes it. it defends its territory and the order will be destroyed, but all the same, putin is so determined, he

talks about it for so long that 3% should still be left on. it is absurd that he does not dare to do something. that is, when we talk about the fact that there should be an adequate response from the united states and the european nato countries to putin's nuclear blackmail, then this response is actually aimed at restraining and securing the nuclear order so that the world would be safer. and if so, then in any case, the americans or the nuclear countries there that are part of nato must provide an answer. and here the question of the answer is divided into two components, usually such a political one, when these warnings are blurred and what they are more blurred than they give him a maneuver without telling him to carry out further warnings in the format of specific actions and there are more specific statements that began to be announced there, well, representatives of the military elite of the usa there are of the second order there

petre, will you agree on the specific steps that the united states will take in the event that russia uses nuclear weapons? how would you break up these two tracks ? of course, all together, political determination is supported by concrete options that are realistic, and those options that are currently being voiced by the usa and nato are realistic and are based on the fact that there are enough non-nuclear means of response to such aggression, uh, in general, this is what i said about the global nuclear order, its idea is that whoever uses nuclear weapons first will lose

in the end strategically, and therefore to me, the united states and nato will not try to be the first to use nuclear weapons although they have means that allow them to respond adequately, that is, at the same level as russia, but what is declared and more or less this consensus follows from statements made, well, mainly by the united states they say that the answer will be, er, slow pace, and you can understand why if you look at the whole history of nuclear blackmail on the part of russia in the last months, at the beginning of this phase of the war, they believed that they had one aspect that was really quite successful for russia, this blackmail starting with a famous speech putin before the start of the war, when he said that do not dare to help ukraine, otherwise you will see the consequences, which have not been seen in

history, well, this is a frank hint about nuclear weapons, and yet it had an effect and we heard constant statements that no, no, nato will never fight directly, but if on the territory of nato, well, then there will already be a real war, and russia managed to restrain all our partners from directly participating in this war, and it more or less worked, but if this logic is from the side of our partners that we do not take part in direct participation in the war, that is, participation by our own troops. if this did not deter the use of nuclear weapons. wants to help ukraine in this direct war. and it is very

important to directly participate in this war. i also saw such estimates from the united states in the spring. well, if you multiply this, this is an invasion of russia, well, with the same coefficient as there was. invasion in the dresser in syria, when wagner's group was destroyed there in 15 minutes. well, let's say two, two weeks are needed for the aviation of the nato countries to destroy all the troops of russia in ukraine. well, what will russia choose anyway? after all, a defeat is a simple defeat or even more probable defeat in the case of the use of nuclear weapons when all restrictions on forms of aid to ukraine will disappear. and this is enough, and then if russia tries to stop it with more powerful

nuclear weapons, then what is called the escalation steps will automatically be activated. if these nuclear explosions on the territory of ukraine affect other countries for by their own states well, the escalation to a global nuclear war, which is very similar, putin does not want, because he wants to live, he believes in nuclear weapons as such a means uh, the means that gives him victory, but not the means that bring the situation to global death , i think he perfectly understands that he will die just like the others in this war, and no one who plays there did not get there, and even more so, he will not get to paradise who was the first to use nuclear weapons, so this is deterrence, i think it works. i think the russian military has been shot down. they explained what the consequences might be, and they can probably convey this to

their higher political leadership, but still , irrationality is higher than professional the leadership of russia, well, there is such a probability that it is completely irrational in this matter, that is, when we talk about the fact that russia is blackmailing europe there, the use of nuclear weapons, that's why it says not yet supplying attackers, not supplying tanks, not supplying planes, it is actually an echo of this shanta, it affects but the main thing that affects . something will be supplied to ukraine, especially if it will

be considered a direct participation of the united states in the war - this is like the possibility of using nuclear weapons, but still, look at the situation, why is there such an escalation from my point of view i do not claim to have any knowledge at all, but from what i see in open sources , this new stage of the war has now begun, everyone is already talking about it and has been talking about it for about a month, they have been waiting in the united states, there is a country of fans that a new stage of the war is starting, connected with the counteroffensive ukrainian forces in the liberated territories and this contrast here requires a little bit of other weapons. if earlier, well, not to mention, weapons were needed to destroy the russian military infrastructure in ukraine in order to destroy logistics and prevent the advance, now the native weapons that target

the troops are slightly different weapons. now, actually , in september, these questions were resolved, what new weapons do ukraine need in order to carry out an offensive? well, let's not talk about the military aspect, military experts know that there is something what is needed now is changing and what is needed now less is needed from what was before and at this stage of the discussion, what weapons are needed now for the gradual liberation of ukrainian territories, the russians brought up this topic, a new aggravation around panel weapons, also exactly what happened in april and changed, faded away, yes in may, and then they didn't remember, they didn't remember, and now again, in april , there was such a period when, uh, when, when, when, when, the issue of such a massive supply of weapons that ukraine needed was resolved, and in september, it was resolved

the question is in a different way, what new weapon does ukraine need for a mass counter-assault of a mass attack? and the russians have left. but they are leaving again. they are so decisive that they leave this element of irrationality, and therefore of course we have to take it seriously, but how did he say one more thing if they we talked from the beginning about the fact that one day russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons. if we lose here, everything may not be so. now we see a certain corridor that is narrowing for russia, its possibilities, it enters this corridor and goes and goes. they say at the end of this corridor they will use nuclear weapons if they are driven down this corridor, but the fact is that no one knows how far down this corridor it simply narrows and narrows and at a certain stage it will simply become

so narrow that putin's hand will not reach the nuclear weapons and there will be in the heads of the russians there are no red lines, you understand, there is no such distance in this corridor where such a red line and the red line russia will use as a weapon will actually simply narrow its possibilities for russia, they are getting narrower and narrower and there we already see it now we feel it from certain hints of international hints about a possible reaction and they i think with a certain state over time or more frankly they say that if russia simply loses this war it's just unpleasant but it's just greedy, it loses so uh, putin's regime will surely collapse , but this is not the end of russia, she can endure a little uh and start a new life there, but if russia

uses nuclear weapons, and after using nuclear weapons, it will still lose, but she still loses, as we understand it, after this defeat of russia , the world will treat it much more harshly as a threat that exists in general for the world, and when in such a situation certain regions of russia begin to declare their sovereignty, they can be supported by the external the world, if russia does not use nuclear weapons, it will not be pushed to disintegration. well, we have an impression of the discussion that is currently taking place on the international arena, that is, if russia does not use nuclear weapons, it will simply lose there with the regime, certain problems, putin is leaving or, well, that but this is their internal matter, if they no longer pose a threat to europe and the world, then no one

in russia will push russia itself to collapse, but if russia uses nuclear weapons in this war, it will mean that when it is overthrown to the ground and they will continue to finish it off and this is what i think and it will become clear at the end of that corridor, uh, where putin is now scaring us with the fact that putin is using nuclear weapons, he can simply see there, or those people who will rule russia will see a completely different perspective. that's why everything well, i'm staying at this 3% the use of nuclear weapons, the cylinder, your conclusions and assessments are interesting enough for you, and then i have a question. when we read the british times there, where it is written, there is a new train with nuclear ammunition heading towards the border of ukraine, there, to pass. tests there, the russians are loading them in sequence the belgorod submarine and this poseidon are already heading for the shores of america or britain somewhere, that is, in fact, then we

get involved in this game with nuclear sterility, which is actually being imposed on us by the russian federation. let's warm up to this concept of intimidation. yes, it is intimidation if you take it too seriously. well, these signals must be looked at. we need to look at them and see what they showed us every time. it is simply necessary to explain why it is so important that somewhere it went into transport from the right, because here are all the nuclear weapons that are now in the united states and in russia . weapons are what is needed for a strategic war and the destruction of the world and the destruction of countries. it is in the high table of the degree of readiness on hm heavy

launch qualified missiles and close to the airfields and strategic bombers it is more or less boycotted is located on it there, let's say 1500 from each on each side e -er, but it is not aimed at any target right now, it is a kiss of the world ocean, if there is a real failure, it will fly into the ocean, that is, there will not be a global war, of course, it is very easy to retarget it there the procedure is there, well, a flash drive, a flash drive, that’s all, but on the other hand, if within the framework of the treaties between the united states and russia, there are constant reports about the change in the status of the armed forces, both countries are interested in this. the united states wants to know what is happening in russia with these nuclear forces and the

russians, too. they want to know that there are these messages, and that is why there is a certain regime that does not allow it to be violated. no one wants to cross this border. well, russia will really target communications . i have to say that there are hundreds of those messages per year, but constantly, you understand, the mine was opened for the regulation of messages, there is only one exception for strategic bombers , welcome, so you can say that always when ha 101 flies, it is less known in what condition it flies, but still after all, it is also possible to understand more or less, after all, they are not permanently equipped with a nuclear weapon, but in the end, the rest of the traditional nuclear forces are controlled in this way. that is, we must understand that there is a certain control that no country has in relation to of tactical nuclear weapons in 1991, there is such a regime

that they are generally removed from the ground forces, and in other branches of the military, they are stored at central nuclear storage facilities and central bases, and therefore and in order to use i honestly don't know about nuclear weapons here. this is a very interesting question. which armed forces do the askanders belong to? are they ground troops or not? if they are ground troops. that is, we have to understand what it means if they are ground troops and the askanders are intended. they were preparing for nuclear weapons. missions, it is possible. but if they were preparing, it means that the entire infrastructure of the ground forces, it again has certain nuclear missions, there is a certain preparation and appropriate planning by the commands in all these aspects. i think about it. we don't know if

the iskanders can shoot or shoot or if they are intended for this. but we do not know at any moment when any transport leaves the central warehouses and goes in the direction of certain military formations be it the air force or the navy or the navy or the ground forces, this means that a tactical nuclear strike is being prepared, then it cannot, even if it had such a button that automatically triggers something , it cannot use it while nuclear weapons are on aging bases, as well as in the united states and russia really does not want, does not want to create such a situation that american ships with nuclear weapons enter the black baltic sea, now they do not enter because of these old agreements with the soviet union confirmed by russia that on surface ships in

in the ground forces and in tactical aviation, there will be no nuclear weapons close to use , they will be in central warehouses. political publications where it is said that we are increasing the number of means that some are monitoring russian storage facilities , then this is actually this element of such a hidden dialogue where two sides try to warn each other that we are monitoring and we are doing or not doing that's how it happens somewhere. that's how it is. plus, plus , the form in which it happens because of evil special networks, well, this suggests that there is another element of such psychological pressure, to create, to create, such a pressure, i perceive this psychological pressure. information operations around nuclear

weapons and their use i perceive as such a strange form such an unusual form of a negotiation proposal on the part of russia they this is how we write they want to say well what they always say again i want to say stop the counteroffensive and give us our our that what can they call a victory, let's stop, let's record the state of the front line, let's agree on something, that's how i understand everything that doesn't happen because of the hundreds of messages about the status of nuclear forces that i talked about, everything that doesn't happen because of the means of technical development of the agency's intelligence regarding these central colors of storage of nuclear weapons are something else - these are psychological operations and here is the only aspect that should be paid attention to, after all, the russians

manage to convey certain of their messages further actually of social networks, then telegram, if larry the public and data write something, it means in russian, well, there is such an opportunity to convey this scandalous scandalous information component to certain e-e lines e-e to certain levels of the information policy of e-e western countries this it is important and i think the most practical aspect that we should study in this matter is how they are still conveying this horror to the level of european politics and american politics. an underwater torpedo, a sequence that tam has due to nuclear detonation due to a tsunami from a mile away from

the coast of the united states eh and of course it went all over the media, there began eh to comment and such other eh at all, does this poseidon exist, what is it about there were so many conversations. well, let me remind you , there was such a thing. red mercury, but if someone wants to read what red mercury is and what kind of horror it created in 1991 , they can read it, it’s there. it seems to me that in these books it was also written about such and such basing on the bottom of the nuclear on the bottom of the ocean and everything that 's what i'm talking about here and what's rational here, really , when andriy sakharov was still in charge of the nuclear

project, he had the idea that if a super-powerful uh-huh explosion occurs in the sea, there could be a tsunami, and it was then that he found uhh option how to make over such a powerful ammunition there 50 megaton 100 mgn here when it became clear that this is a language, such ideas arose and indeed in the soviet union, the study of this and that topic was launched , different ones were created there, even in the crimea, it seems on the cape to the fiolents, a small one like this, uh, there is such a laboratory, uh, the study of waves like them are created, well, i studied this question, and it was found out that in order to create a tsunami , in fact, you don't even need 50 megatons, there are many more problems that can be created, but if you create scenes that wash away half of the united states, or at least new york there

we need several nuclear explosions, many nuclear explosions, we need high-powered ones. they have to be synchronized in a certain way, it also depends on the geography of the bottom, well, it's a very uncertain thing . excuse me, i was considering working with nuclear mercury. they remembered that there is a submarine of the belgrade class that is unfinished. first of all, it sank, and then they began to convert it into something like nuclear terpets. munitions and then found out that there are no such drones either , but there are certain torpedoes and this boat in this submarine is really big, how did it go, maybe on its last trip, maybe the first

. maybe it will be on the website, well, of course, after such information promotion lasted from the 18th year, when the first e-e was sounded by this poseidon and this one was supported certain tests were held, we remember there was a nuclear incident somewhere in well, they were somewhere in the north of russia, we don't know what, but there was information happening around there held on, but imagine that the boat. well, we can remember that they used the head unsuccessfully for a very long time, or it was such a big boat and when there was never a report of a successful test of something similar to a nuclear torpedo, and it was a violation of the quiet hour about which i talked about tactical nuclear weapons and that he will test happiness now something in the nuclear version well, it's simply impossible, simply impossible , they just have to remember the fate of kursk

when they release belgorod somewhere there, but i don't i rule out that there may be certain complex tests of the boat itself with certain mock-ups of some weapons on board. this may be the case, but nevertheless, i emphasize once again that they managed to present it in this way, which lerepublica wrote, and d-detimes expanded a little there that there is such a thing. can provide it and can provide it visible at different levels and through different channels letter n- 1.5 minutes if we are already talking about n- about the sea the blow-up of the e-e gas pipelines nordstream 1 and on stream 2 there is information that they have already found a certain let's say so the data about myself that there really was a sabotage explosion and is it not if we miss that this is the work of the russian federation is it not a warning to the

americans and europeans that we will thus destroy your communication systems and the optics that connect the british and of the americans, isn't this another means of influencing europe? that's how the first reaction was, i'll remind you, the first reaction seems to have been written about . i also talked about this and the second thing is that we can use nuclear weapons . this is what we heard and it is true. this is one more element of such blackmail. well, here it is serious . here are measures to control the entire underwater infrastructure that exists now, it is really important, it is really a pair of native nuclear weapons. thank you for this extremely interesting conversation

. i will remind our viewers that oleksiy ezhyk, an expert of the national institute, was on the air of the espresso channel of strategic research, and next on the air of canada espresso there will be a program by olga eleni, a chronicle of the information war, stay on the espresso channel, congratulations. in order to fully understand the intensity of the conflict that is currently raging in the russian summer, it is worth , so to speak, to feel the emotion, so let's listen to a few statements that are quite typical considerations in on russian tv this week let's talk about the fact that the first strike by the ukrainian formation was launched precisely in order to stop the possibility of a repeat of the history of 221 the question arises and what we see now if we were preparing for different scenarios then why is it happening what is happening we are again