they say that today it had tactical nuclear warheads, everyone has already discussed it. we have such a discussion in the world, it's kind of very simple, all this is being discussed. but according to the conclusions of american specialists and the military. there are no relatively small tactical charges today, does this mean that this threat does not exist? well, of course, all threats exist. at this time, working in the apparatus of the national security and defense council, we analyzed a whole matrix of threats, that is, of different nature and on each of these threats has a certain level of escalation, there are means of response, that is, today to say that the world is on the threshold, well, frankly speaking, this is a harsh statement, i would like to hear from president joseph biden the measures that the united states is taking in order

to to reduce this er threat well, of course, this is some kind of statement about not just a catastrophic answer what will be a catastrophe for russia, the president of the united states should probably announce, well, the generals announce, they say that in particular, the supporters of the general the former head of the cia he says that in the event of an attempt to use tactical nuclear weapons, let's be honest, it will not be the end of history , not even the end of the war of ukraine against russia. if putin is such a senseless move to the south, for him it is absolutely because it is not beneficial to him of all it is absolutely unprofitable for the parties, it is only if he has an exacerbation, we really see his diseases and there will be no one around who can stop them

. demonstration i think they can demonstrate something that what is left from soviet times is still effective in them but it will definitely not affect at all, as it is not paradoxical, it is not military events so that people understand the consequences of chernobyl were much greater for ukraine and for the world than the use of even ten tactical charges at the same time, but well, there is nothing good about this, but the reality is that, unfortunately, it will not stop the world from further escalation, so what is the problem, if ballistic missiles, nuclear deterrence, what we say somehow restrains all sides, then in this case to the plan, the biggest threat here is that the americans understand that if something like this is applied, then the entire world regime of non-proliferation, non-use of weapons will collapse, i.e. after that, from the moment of such a demonstration of the use even on its

territory, at its test site in russia, of a nuclear charge, immediately this bar is what it cannot be done, it will fall very low and in the coming years, all the countries of the world who might try to get nuclear weapons, and ukraine will not, we agree with you on the other hand, we are all extremely careful with with a pencil, so to speak, they read the lines of words of general petraeus, the former head of the cia and the former commander of the united states of america on the european continent, bena-ho for and i wanted to ask you if this algorithm of answers was implemented, so we understand well, what to sink the black sea fleet in general for the united states or for great britain is not particularly problematic, but here it is a matter of precedent and not on the basis of what they would give such an order, i

will tell you, i am not happy with what was said to be honest, because yes, it was said that this would be a conventional answer, well, with powerful e-e means, bombers, fighters, missiles corresponding to the military object, that is, the black sea fleet, and those russian e-e military equipment located on our territory, why am i not delighted with that that this is our territory, no matter what it is. of course, this will immediately collapse er russia and all the desire to continue fighting. this is obvious. in this way, america will enter the war on our side and the war will end very quickly, but er, i would not like it to be on our side territory was that's why i thought that it would be, well, just how would i advise on this, should there be a first statement by all nuclear states, including china, well, those that have officially declared that they have nuclear weapons, because there are still those who do not declare this, at least to china and radbes - this is

britain, france, and er, respectively, russia has violated everything, it remains for the united states, so they must jointly make a statement, and it is very important that from china about er, well, it is simply impossible to threaten nuclear weapons from russia at all, this is the first step, by the way, the famous one our budapest memorandum which hopeful but in this case, you can also appeal to him because he gives precisely negative security guarantees, not the use of nuclear weapons on the side of a nuclear state, this is the first, second, we need urgently agree with partners that we can quickly develop our missile program as a deterrent system that is, these are missiles medium shorter range, it is clear that now it is more difficult to produce these by attacks than by occupation, but nothing, i think that it is necessary to start right now, and this is our agreement, it is not public, but we have it we have the right to it, and of course i wanted to hear. well,

for example, such words are a set of measures in the event of even a demonstration on its territory or somewhere there by russia, uh, what do they have such intentions, there should be more than just sanctions right away, no, it should just be a stop to everything a complete embargo on all goods, not only oil and gas, there are nuclear ones, all these spacers at the nuclear plant, a complete ban on trade with russia, further a complete ban on the entry of russian citizens, a total ban, i.e. immediately from this, well , that is, there must be everything that sounds in the sanctions it is constantly introduced at the same time. well, it is simply obvious that these five key positions should be voiced. well, it has been declared. i have great respect for you and your evaluations, and i would like to remind our tv viewers that mr.

valery chaly was there not long before the russian aggression in syria warned about the possibility of a full-scale war and an invasion by russia and, accordingly, i would also like to ask you now, mr. ambassador, for a balanced but also serious assessment of the situation made possible by putin's attempts to annex part of our territories, in particular it is said about the accelerated occupation procedure at various bureaucratic levels, we understand that the decision was made in the kremlin, but it was stamped everywhere from the russian pseudo-parliament to the russian pseudo-constitutional pseudo-court. so, everywhere there are stamps that they recognized, of course, their own occupation of our lands and, accordingly, there is a certain risk of using tactical nuclear weapons and in certain , so to speak, western offices, i will talk about this, it

is about shelling on the front line of possibly more distant objects, in particular, such as zmiiny island to what extent, seriously speaking, can they dare to do this? look, what could be the purpose of using tactical nuclear weapons for the military, it will not help anything in the military plan, the military will tell you that there are such things . of nuclear weapons on the battlefield, if you intimidate and make a demonstration, you definitely do not intimidate ukrainians, not because we are so different from them, it’s just that we have adapted since february 24, do you remember the threats already there were and then there was much more reaction, that is, than today, people already, well, you see, even the western media write what the ukrainians plan to do in the event

of an attack, they just now, well, it really surprises me, they go to see how to react, what to wear, someone wants to spend a night there time well , this is such a reaction, and this is normal. a year after the americans used nuclear weapons in the war against japan, relevant studies were conducted and it was found that the level of combat capability of the japanese troops on the japanese the islands were not affected by the use of nuclear weapons. it also did not affect the level of readiness of the japanese to resist, that is, other complex points worked, in particular, the massive defeats of the japanese in other theaters of war. this is also an important point in america . they say that they are threatening, well, we hear that this is already russian territory, although it looks just ridiculous, clowning, because zaporizhzhia is

ours. well, where are they yours, that is, you have him in donetsk, already in luhansk, our armed forces will be there, i think in the spring will liberate and now they are conducting active operations in the south. therefore, it sounds like russia, they want to mobilize within their society, that is, putin, too. in this way, he kept himself at the top of this mafia organization because there were threats from the right side to him, and this was the main goal of the application. well, they say there denys lugan zaporizhzhia kherson and crimea well, what about cotton, as they say in crimea, does not appear periodically. we did not act, but he immediately after putin's statements called the americans, he was there in shock, they were all there, he began to explain, no, no, it is only when a nuclear attack on russia and its allies or the

threat of the russian state already exists at all, that is, deciphers this is meant if they have already gone on the defensive, they are afraid of what will happen next, well, ukraine can ensure its security more reliably and will go abroad, that is, they are already afraid of this, and in this case they are talking about nuclear weapons. yes, i can allow it if there is a movement on moscow, they can, er, i will succeed in this, i still, i could be wrong, but er, for now, well , the analysis of the situation of the entire us- available publicly indicates that there is no preparation for this application to date. and what is there is er- there is actually a second part without removing this threat, but the main now intimidation in the complex of hybrid attacks is an informational psychological operation directed not at ukrainians, but at europeans at the americans in

order for them to put pressure on the ukrainian government of the ukrainian president, so for capitulation, that is fixations well, we call this capitulation, and now those who want peace say that this is what russia has done. well, let's stop so that people don't die anymore. this is the approach. i see this as the main goal . if they don't achieve this goal, then there is no point in using it. it is a threat to use . and the game - it gives much more dividends, let's be honest for putin than the application, and we already as an example, how much we don't get the same tanks that you talked about only because of this, only because of this, so i hope that they will appreciate that's absolutely adequately, and i would not like the west to focus on the nuclear issue and not on the issue of the de-occupation as soon as possible, the expulsion of russian remnants from all-ukrainian territory. well

, it would be much easier for us ukrainians to realize that the west does not vary . i am sometimes very worried about discussions, but what if such a small tactic is somewhere on the battlefield, well, not in big cities and so on, is this an important moment, will there be a reaction from western countries, in particular, from our partners the same and absolutely uniform, regardless of the amount of nuclear weapons used there. but this is a completely different issue that we will discuss a little later. we thank mr. valery . in the usa from the 15th to the 19th year and the chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center well, the ukrainians are vacating their territories, the ukrainian army continues to push out the enemy, russia, we fled from the estuary in

donetsk region when we realized that we were surrounded in four months, the locals saw it for the first time and began to receive humanitarian aid. how the residents of lyman and drobyshev survived four months of occupation, further in the report of our colleagues, military correspondent vitaly bakumenko, in particular, this is one of the first videos from the liberated liman, the bodies of the russian occupiers are lying along the road that leads to the city. they obviously drove in battered civilian cars. they probably thought that the ukrainian military would not understand that inside were not peaceful people but criminals. the russians' plan failed and this you can clearly see in the video that the bodies of the occupiers have already been removed, but the burned cars are still standing here, scattered things are russian body armor, military clothing, burnt metal helmets of the occupiers, the street of the liberated lyman, the russian occupiers entered this city at the

end of may and at the beginning of october, it was liberated by the ukrainian army right there for 5 days, how does the ukrainian army work the police, the city was destroyed by the war, many houses are now ruins, and some have only their foundations left. liman is gradually coming to his senses during the hostilities, they were engaged in evacuation the population is about 6, perhaps or 7,000 people, they asked for our help on may 22 - this is the last day when we were able to provide help to people , then the bridges were already blown up, and the occupying army entered the city, about seven thousand people still remained in they spent more than four months in the city under occupation, now they are trying to restore life in the de-occupied estuary, they are bringing a humanitarian worker here and are trying to restore communications; the cemetery of broken russian military equipment

is piled one on top of the other here, bmp tanks, kamaz vehicles, all of this is here. now it is rusty and waiting for disposal, but here is this scrap metal - it is a russian plane in this pile of iron, it is difficult to even recognize that only recently this plane was hitting peaceful ukrainian cities and this village is small a few kilometers from the estuary , the occupiers have also taken over here since may; there are almost no whole houses here, because it was sharpened by the fierce occupiers; it was important for the occupiers to hold this direction, from here they planned to develop an offensive slovyansk and kramatorsk, but the ukrainian army also knocked them out from here on the streets, in some places you can meet the local lady raisa, together with her sister nina, loading firewood on a trailer, winter is ahead, and their son's house is broken and drowning. we will stay in our house. to us . and where do we live here? he doesn’t have anything with us, even though the

windows were broken. they had been delivering for two days. as we sang in the park, we live. women remember with horror how they lived for the last four months. they say that they didn’t even leave the basement because they didn’t stop here. for a moment they don't want to leave here, they will spend the winter here, where i was born, baptized, my parents or my husband died, i was born nowhere in the village, or for the first time in the months of occupation, a humanitarian truck was brought in, people gather around cars, some see each other for the first time since may, we said in eurasia, we are terribly sick, i'm after all here are the workers holding ukrainian passports of humanitarian workers, there is enough for everyone, but they give no more than one box per person to the local queue, they tell how they survived the

occupation, mrs. olga says she came in may to drobyshevo from slovyansk to her dacha, but she could no longer go back, the bridges were blown up . yes, no, it was not about what kind of evacuation, how much about the dead relatives and neighbors here, everyone can tell about the war affected everyone. here is this woman, with a trembling voice, telling how she lost her own brother, beret can withstand and 20 were the arrival on february 5, it exploded, so he was there at all, the wounds were not enough to survive for half an hour, one of her daughters left for russia, the other evacuated from a safer city in the west of ukraine, and her house burned down together with the document, people will come to the occupied cities, now

little by little they will come to life, logistics must be put in place so that there will be enough food, medicines, electricity, water supply must somehow be restored, of course. it is possible under such conditions, the consequences of the russian occupation are terrible, the infrastructure of these settlements is almost destroyed . we can only thank our colleagues for this extremely important work that they do for you. dear tv viewers, informational and analytical marathon tv channel espresso show in full swing 4:00 p.m. - 50th minute khrystyna yatskivna brokovsky joins our conversation now, as is traditional for this period, katkov chief editor of defense-express p. olezhe. we congratulate you. glory to ukraine glory to the heroes. information about what is

happening on our fronts. let's start with the luhansk region. there are signals that the armed forces of ukraine are having some success in the area of ​​makiyivka, but it is not in donetsk region. makiivka region is exactly luhansk region, which is important to note. but at the same time, what is the situation in luhansk region, as of now, a military expert noted to us that in the area of ​​matchmaker and crimen region it is not good. so the enemy is digging in and preparing for defense, so the information is correct that the armed forces of ukraine have certain successes, and in fact, if the success of the armed forces of ukraine is an important aspect here, there are also certain signs of actions in the kremlin, that is, literally today , the commander of the eastern military was dismissed from his post district of the army of the russian federation, namely, he has outside his responsibility and is located in the so-called

dolynska luhansk direction, that is exactly the bakhmut district of the northern center of donetsk lysychansk and in his position now it was in chaika he was appointed less than a year ago and today he was dismissed and appointed rustave muradova, who had previously been in charge of him. well, let's just say that he was the commander of one of the groups of the ryzyn federation in ukraine and the change of the commander of the forces of the military district in the moment of passing of the so-called partial mobilization at the time of the intensification of hostilities, well, in my opinion, this is a pretty good sign that the successes of the armed forces are such, in my opinion. perhaps even the chaotic permutations in the general staff of the russian federation have quite an effect. by the way, if we continue about the program itself pleases,

it is important to guess that he, er, began his heart-breaking career, er, after commanding the gastrytskyi brigade directly in chechnya , and in this way he resembles another russian general who now he commands the air so-called military forces. his career also began very actively in the very after the service of the students and most likely it is possible to make a careful assumption that muradov he is in the so-called orbit directly kadyrov that again well, maybe it is a confirmation of that what is the general staff of the russian federation of the ministry of defense as a whole? now they will, uh, well, change under exactly what he gave . the fact is that literally this week there was information about a similar replacement of the western military district of the russian federation. it was headed by lieutenant general roman

berdnikov instead of colonel general oleksandr zhuravlyov, that is, this vernitsa verenitsa. performed the work in quotation marks in ukraine, well, on the other hand, we understand that the rearrangement of beds in the russian military brothel does not actually change anything, but on the other hand, president zelenskyi also us urged not to look too optimistically at the situation verbatim from the speech of the president at the meeting of the european council in order to stop the liberation of ukraine, russia began to manipulate the topic of the negotiations, allegedly mentioned the dialogue that was even abandoned by russia, just wants to win time, wants to regroup forces to strike again, according to how

with the available resources they they can strike again right away, it is not a question of muradov for some other war criminal, they will exchange well, indeed, the important aspect here is that they have whatever resources there are, they have no decision to carry out terrorist attacks and offensives from traffic jams , there is still some way to leave these annexed territories for the kremlin, this is a political decision, that is, they do not follow military logic and command putin will be thrown into this biorector and so-called assistants even without well, just operational ones, that’s where the risk is, in my opinion, the federation will be as long as this group is in power, and maybe even uh well, running ahead if the consequence is like that later

this world will finally remain. this will not mean that the war will end immediately, that is, others can come to power, well, another person from this same paradigm of life and they, in my opinion, can count on the fact that, for example, in the russian federation, any resources may run out of weapons, well, it’s worth it because we’ve already seen several times that as soon as they run out, there is a certain video armed, they switch to another and so on . to quote in part your colleague kostyantyn mashovets, who literally yesterday analyzed this situation on the fronts, uh, in the end he gave, as he says, interesting information of a general nature, quoting to the general staff, the staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, for the highest military and political leadership of the russian federation, they prepared a closed report on the situation with ammunition of the main calibers already at the

end of the current month, the russian command predicts the emergence of a difficult situation with sortillery ammunition of the main calibers, in particular, we are talking about 122 and 152 mm and are expected cease fire with mortar ammunition in their own report, they directly link the nature of possible hostilities, the defense line with stamps and the amount of ammunition consumption, is it really not all that smooth in the russian federation with the iron e-e, which they actually threw even more for half a year, e- of our defenders, there is absolutely such information, including the fact that he assured me in official reports that the russian federation is already actively reducing the number of ammunition storage bases. that is , there are certain standards depending on the number of ammunition at the storage base itself, there is a certain staff, there are guards and people who are engaged in

loading, unloading , maintenance of these projectiles, and their staff has been decreasing and has been decreasing since the beginning of summer, taking into account the fact that the russian army is really somewhere, well, like that well, somewhere in the spring, and part of the summer in my opinion, she found a certain tactic that allowed her to deal with this, it was a shaft of fire, and we all well remember that there were up to 60,000 shells per day, and this is extremely huge . really any, even the world's united military industry cannot produce 60,000 shells per day in principle when we are even talking about a separate segment of the usa in the form of the russian federation, where actually not such a large amount of ammunition is actually produced here well, i'll be honest, that is, i tried to find, well, for quite a long time, at least some data on the production of

ammunition in the russian federation in the caliber of 152 mm 122. there is no such data, but if we take the opportunities of, for example, the american defense industry, then well, there we are talking about the fact that this american produces 18,000 shells per month, and if you compare the american defense industry with the russian one, then the bill will, of course, be uncirculated by the russian federation , so the moment when they start this massive famine. well, in the long run, i i wouldn't bet on the fact that it will start there in a month or two, but the fact that even the enemy's use of ammunition is slightly reduced, this is already known from the fighters and how they will reformat in conditions when their only relative working tactics in the form of a fireball will become unavailable to them, well, this is a separate issue, of course, mr. oleg

, well, look at the minister of defense of belarus and viktor khrenin said that in the near future the belarusian army will receive missile complexes from kander and the s4 system and what do you think we can expect from this replenishment of weapons of the belarusian army well, taking into account the fact that the belarusian army, in my opinion, should not be separated from the responsible games in my opinion, then technically well, in fact, nothing in belarus and besides russian complexes h400 and one must be taken into account that these complexes are used in the general belarusian-russian anti-aircraft defense system and with the same complex they flashed at ground targets for approximately kilometers, yes, they write 500, but there are certain questions about the cander regarding the range because they searched for the belgorod district along kharkov and not further from the scanners. in other words, it is 500

km away. it is possible that it is 350 km away. and with a normal kpo system, what are the chances that it will catch one or another scandal well, it’s clearly not about that, i don’t know at a distance of 100 km well, i don’t know 200-300 km if it’s about ballistic missiles from canders to intercept them and it is necessary to have a full-fledged anti-missile complex, that is, such as the msi patriot pactra or i don’t know where, that is, the destruction of ballistic power, this is a separate category, quite complex and the maximum benefit for their value, well, only these two complexes have, and maybe there through zlendriysk, when it will be about receiving equipment as a gift, er, in receiving equipment for rent, which must then somehow be paid or returned. well, then maybe this issue will be moved. thank you oleg for always high-quality analysis.