regarding the leopards, it was not approved. this is what i am rewording a bit . well, accordingly, do you have a feeling that they will supply us with such famous attack missiles, and look, i think they are solving a little there, but such forms say that we need to do it faster, we need to be in time and all the obstacles that appear on the way of the transmission of certain things and must be eliminated quickly, these are joint decisions and a joint victory at this forum , it was palpable, that is, uh, say something that uh, some negotiations are possible, or it is possible, uh, a victory will be very far away or it does not apply to anyone and this was absolutely not the case, besides, it was also about energy security, it was about the protection of nuclear power plants, that is, this co-responsibility was clearly understood by the leaders of those countries that participated in these or other e-e specializations areas that

could be discussed directly, moreover, to promise what is important to me, for example, that is the fact that the funds of privatbank cents of russia, for those arrested today, the senate is preparing, we know that the green lisgon congress voted. prepares a solution the transfer of these funds in ukraine, and this is actually not one congressman, but tried to convey to me so that i could speak in ukraine about their support and the importance today of those messages that our citizens in ukraine have, such an extremely important moment, we are now adding daria yurchenko 's sister to the conversation dmytro kozatsky with the call sign orest ms. daria, please tell me how the international community of participants of the warsaw security forum will be ready to put pressure on the russian federation to hand over our soldiers who

are kept in inhumane conditions, i.e. abuse torture by starvation and murder, in particular, it is about the same fawn, well, in general, i apologize, i didn’t hear, it was bad to hear my question, but i will explain in general that i was traveling with my sister, also a soldier who is now in captivity, that is why we have, as it were, two real two real stories when i know what conditions my brother was in because he has already returned and jana, with whom i traveled, is a girl, her sister, they are her now in a different story that we have already lived, so we can convey more to the community, so you know from our mouths what she is going through now what are you doing now, dear ones? the fighters are worried, our message was about what

we hope, we are asking the country to help us return our boys, because i had the right to tell some stories that my brother will tell me, and i just saw it in the eyes of my interlocutors . i saw that these people are ready , they themselves want to help us, here are the other messenglishing of the international community, ms. daria , what really terrified the participants of those who listened to you. this is how people approached us. they were like that at first, you know. good day. in english and like how do you introduce yourself and we say that we are relatives of the fighters who are

now in captivity and we just saw their change of face and saw just horror. they started asking under what conditions well, because i said that my brother returned, unfortunately i have no right now to spread all this extensive information because at the moment our others are in captivity and we do not know how it can affect the attitude of the russian side towards our boys and when our people with whom i communicated like how to help you. how do you feel about it all? we asked to influence, first of all, the words messenger , the first is to influence humanitarian aid, to influence organizations that can be guarantors, not like the red cross. i'm sorry

, but also yes, the second message was about the fact that, for example, my brother has returned and i see his physical condition, i see his moral condition, and they need a wonderful, wonderful rehabilitation. they also give an urgent one but i understand, we understand that in other countries it can be much better , that's why we had two messages, liberation and rehabilitation, mechanisms for facilitating at least the liberation, in particular, of our prisoners of war and other security and military topics ms. oksano today i think

that it is not news for you that the ukrainian organization center for civil liberties became a laureate of the nobel peace prize and among other things during her first statement after the award of this very with an authoritative and honorable distinction noted that in fact he and the participating states should carry out a reform of international peace and security in order to create security guarantees for the countries of the world. to me, this very clearly resonates with what mrs. daria says about some institutions that should work, obviously, do not work very effectively, and i am interested in it. always when it comes to such discursive platforms, in particular, the warsaw security forum there only talks about

what needs to be done or what needs to be done. sorry to multiply by zero simply because it doesn't work and build something new in this place. we in ukraine are used to calling it reforms. how do people in the world treat such proposals? well, it seems to me that the candidate who was chosen from ukraine for the nobel prize to receive the nobel prize, to become a nobel laureate, is very, very true, the candidate whom i also congratulated our groups today, she was with us at to the security exchange security forum, as well, in fact, it is very important that how it is presented and in what hybrid way it happens, this is a task for us, including you and all the snakes, to explain the following things that the successes and victory of our military armed forces of ukraine a-a every time it forces us to work to convey information that is truly important from the point of view of what ukraine is doing today and where the aggressor country of the

russian federation should be, when we think that it will work by itself, it will not. and we can see from the statements of individual world leaders who also cannot make up their minds, either they are on one side or on the other side . they do not know which way to go. and when they take such a position, they actually give the opportunity to dispel it. what about the nobel laureates in general who are nominated for this prize there there is a different history, there are different candidates, and last year it was also a very interesting thing to promote the narrative of one people, and it will continue to be present . the decision of the nobel committee. this is a completely different discussion already on the air, but we are talking about what the current laureates of

ukraine are offering for the nobel prize. let's think about how to either destroy it or replace something in those mechanisms so that in the end it will work at such events as, er, the warsaw security forum talks about similar things . it is very important when the testimonies are gathered, they gave their story, as well as tyra's speech, it is when there are real examples of real people who have gone through this hell and clarification that the information space cannot be double, it is also said that it is very important that everyone once upon a time, this is a big, long, long, long, big job that needs to be done, the main thing is that it is continuous , it is

impossible to say how long it will remain. a war that today we have to react to it quickly, you know what was important, it showed how , for example, the mayor of warsaw spoke, you had in the story what he said, what, for example, the transfer of 30 buses by the mayor of kyiv, the quick response of aid to the dnipro, it was an example for them that we ukrainians can help each other that we can also understand our co-responsibility of everyone around the city that finds itself in this situation or shelling or something else, that is, they are looking at how we can react to those events today, that is, when one is behind one person sympathizes when the whole country lives with the events of the fact that it must work towards victory. and actually this is such an example of mutual support and help. we were together and different people and public sectors, and even today, politicians published in the story of many

who commented on this forum. it was very difficult because that on every platform it was actually built by the system of this forum so that the voice of ukraine was present, someone from ukraine or from the public sector or from political figures or government officials or our authorities, that is, people who clearly had to answer the questions, ask them and, sometimes , and on certain whims, give a clear opposition, which would be necessary so that in the future it would be replicated in the world, because 70 countries, once again, i repeat, more than 2,000 participants, this is a large platform, very important, and here we we are definitely grateful to our neighbors , the poles, and the united states, who helped organize this, thank you, ms. oksana. finally, i wanted to clarify with ms. daria yurchenko. what, in your opinion, should be used as soon as possible . in order to free our soldiers from the russian labs,

look, it seems to me that there is no such specific country, for example, a certain government, which there, so send us, should put pressure on the country of the terrorist or create some urgent conditions for our soldiers who are in captivity. it seems to me that at the moment, we have to ensure that the whole world works to ensure that such a horror does not happen in the xxi century, that's why we cannot give a definite, definite answer. from which at the moment i see communication you don't know it hasn't been interrupted but the forms are over and that's it no i see this help from different parts of the world

and it's just that i'm proud of this world that helps to say oh it's this government or that country will help me so well, i can't say that. i believe that the whole world should now fight for peace, fight for our people. thank you, ms. daria oksana yurynets, people's deputy of the eighth convocation , as well as the head of the permanent delegation of ukraine in the nato parliamentary assembly, as well as daria yurchenko dmytro kozatsky's sister, call sign orest, worked live on the espresso tv channel at 5:42 p.m. let's move on khrystyna yatskiv, also on the phone now yevhen magda, director of the institute of world politics and maria ionova, people's deputy of ukraine, welcome, dear ones, greetings, good evening, representative, good evening, respectively ukraine undertook and signed all the additional papers , it is about the accelerated accession of ukraine to nato, so

there was a certain reaction from nancy pilos, who said that they were not in the states until the end ready for such, of course, here we brought the situation to the moment of truth, so to speak, and i would like to ask you, ms. maria, what do you think will be the steps of the international community, and in general, what should we tighten up in ukraine, because nato is not only about security moments, it is also about certain civilizational social things eh you know i think that we have already reached such a stage of integration when one question eh why and how is the question if when yes and a-ah is also a question eh the homework that we have to complete is that our partners were surprised well, let's put it this way, let's put it in the past , we just have to draw some conclusions there, because

the issue of trust is also quite important and continue to work as allies in such mutual coordination and interoperability not only in the defense aspect, but as you mentioned that more than 10 countries have publicly supported such an initiative. this is good, but now we have to introduce all the means, methods and all the state institutions under which we worked together to implement that or of other criteria, i was the first step. as the chairman of the committee regarding the implementation of the euro-atlantic course in the constitution, to make such joint committee hearings of such committee european integration and foreign affairs because to understand together with the nsdc government experts a-a hm determine for yourself those priorities tasks that we

have, uh, well, let's say, to change not only at the legislative level, but to show the effectiveness of the fact that this homework has acquired such a nominal value. i really hope that this in the near future, unfortunately, we cannot hold parliamentary hearings because there are security issues, but at least committee hearings, and in such synergy with state institutions, we will try to promote and further monitor it, and it is very important to work not only internally, but also externally , especially with those countries that you and i know. well, let's say they don't really welcome and don't really support it, but it's systemic work and really that this accelerated accelerated introduction was so unique for ukraine and already at the summit in june ah, on the 23rd year of freedom, i would like the political statement to be the complete opposite of what it was in bucharest in 2008, and what's more, we shouldn't

be so modest, because our armed forces have already shown such capability , we the very ability of the ukrainian government together and with us, even as a position, but we are definitely the sky of the position of the euro-atlantic rate here, because we are talking about it, and the fulfillment of our criteria from 2019, ah, hmm, so that we know, we have achieved this together, but we have to do not forget that even under during the war, some freedoms should not be limited and we have already heard the same thing with you. such a public position regarding freedom of speech in ukraine and regarding the rule of law, therefore it is very important that the ukrainian authorities did not dwell on this and heard about it and drew conclusions if it was because today was i will tell you frankly that the meeting discussed the state budget and, after all, the information space, which is an integral part of this hybrid

war. well, we should not build this little russia in ukraine during such aggression full-scale russian federation, because we have several in ukraine, we have to build a large , powerful nato, a large and powerful euro-atlantic community. well, i would like to ask mr. magda how he sees which countries might put a stick in our wheels to stop our progress towards the euro-atlantic community. can someone say that while the war in the euro-atlantic community is going on in the country, the euro-atlantic community does not want to accept the country, part of which is occupied, but i would just like to remind our tv viewers that at one time the western germany was added to nato with all rights and obligations, mr. yevgeny, they were added, but west germany was not at war with a nuclear state, it

was not at that time in the state of the most extensive war. well, then xx is now 21 centuries ago, these things must be understood absolutely clearly. ukraine will not become a member of nato because of russia. it can count on a political signal. it can count on approval. well, we are already saying that we will join without a foreign exchange program. the fact is that it is not one country. i will not motivate any of the member countries of the alliance from these, not because there are three dozen of them. not only in the external reaction, our

problems are inside the state, including i cannot imagine a situation in which one of the heads of the judiciary is a nato country, there is a person with the passport of the aggressor state, and the government does not react to this. i cannot imagine that the former head services of the internal security of the security service of the nato state before the russian invasion, fled from his country, then ended up behind bars in another country . i can't imagine this either. theft of ukraine, almost 15% of our territory, it is true, but it is true that it turned out to be filled with quality and well thought out, i

still did not take the risk, thank you, in fact, i would like to have time to discuss one important event in recent days, and this adoption of the eighth package of sanctions against the russian federation, the european union finally approved it, the council of the european union on thursday approved the decision to introduce a new package of economic and individual sanctions against russia in response to russia's illegal annexation of ukrainian territories. well, the agreed package introduces the basis of eu legislation for establishing an upper price limit for sea transportation of russian oil to third countries and further restrictions on sea transportation of crude oil and petroleum products to third countries, but hungary allegedly managed to squeeze its own houses

. and the ukrainians and the ukrainian expert environment were somehow skeptical of this eighth package, well , in the end, on some scales, we have annexed a large part of the territory of our country, and on other scales, well, in fact, this is a half-hearted solution mrs. maria, how should we perceive the eighth package of sanctions, and don't you think that with each new package, the power of our strike decreases, you know, i will continue a little to say something in a-a mr. yevhen because a-a before nu can really criticize our allies it is very important to analyze what is being done from the middle of the country, what decisions are being made, including what will happen, and not all russian companies, not all russian oligarchs, are also under sanctions, this is also true and that is why

when we talk with our friends they also have them there are a lot of questions about this, i will already agree on some other solutions, which of course, from the outside, we try not to criticize the government because we have to show unity, but what concerns the democratic principles of protecting democracy, we understand that they see it the same way, and therefore very it is important that the ukrainian authorities understand that this is also analyzed by our er allies and partners er and this question is simply su er how long will they make such decisions, but frankly i will tell you that i am really just as skeptical about this own sanctions, the eighth package of sanctions, not only what concerns even the annexation and the so-called referendums, i am not talking about the raisins, about all the other liberated territories there, where all the war crimes and such recruiting and terrorist acts were, let's not

forget what were and hmm against e of our civilians during these two months, i'm not talking about how long the 8th package of sanctions was discussed, the fact that the position of the hungarians was understood, but what concerns the logistical issues of the language, let's also not forget that they raised issues and defended their business positions of grazia, malta and cyprus a-a hmm, we understand that there must be a consensus, that there is now a decision, there is a right of veto, and that is why it is so important that in the near future they promised there in october that the european union would adopt the procedure for adopting certain sanctions so that they it was changed and there was just an overwhelming majority, a consolidated majority , and when such decisions were made, we did not see the same sanctions on banks because, well, until 330 banks of the russian federation are disconnected from these , they will bypass all these sanctions, and it can

it's very good that ah, there were sanctions there, partly because of the energy ambergris. it’s a pity, so far, i’m not talking about the russian atomic bomb, against which sanctions are not imposed anyway, and that’s why it’s necessary. well, maybe don’t be so disappointed, but continue to work together and remind and say specific things. but again, the fact that he was accepted this suggests that there is still unity of the european union. yes, we understand that this is not what we expected as much as possible. hmmm, but it is important that putin does not destroy this anti-putin coalition in the same way. we just need to strengthen it and also work on the topic of the countries in which we see

the position is not i'm very brave, i would say that ah, i really hope that today's, for example, the same ah, macron's idea and the prague informal summit of the eu that they mentioned that the sanctions will be extended will be strengthened but again, our position is the same as it was first and 2014 that the sanctions should not be aimed at weakening russia, the aggressor, but that the sanctions should be victorious, victorious not only for ukraine and for the entire democratic world, unfortunately, we did not see a strategy from our allies that these should be sanctions and the supply of weapons for our of joint victory a-a and that is why we expect that this strategy will be changed especially when our armed forces show success and a-a we also have to work on reforms and show that we

protect and quote democracy not in words but in fact, let's hope ms. maria. so, some sharper sanctions will not come in the 128th package from the european community, but in some ninth or 10th package, but as it was rightly pointed out, we are doing our part and accordingly we should implement our anti-russian sanctions politics within our country, because it was rightly noted noted not all representatives of russian business feel completely uncomfortable, although it is possible that i am wrong , but what should proactive policy be of the ukrainian government in this difficult sanctions story. we have two minutes. it's just do as i do. don't do as i said. or as i asked. in other words, ukrainian sanctions should be against russia and

russian citizens, first of all, russian oligarchs and businessmen, so large-scale that the western media will talk about them and in in this way, they began to push our partners to more active actions, there is nothing surprising in the fact that each package of sanctions is more difficult to pass, because they hit not only russia, but also the countries that these sanctions are imposed, however, the european union provides ukraine with truly unprecedented support, because for the first time in history it provided two and a half billion euros for the purchase of weapons by ukraine. and in general , it demonstrates a sufficiently principled position, however, the sanctions, well, it is obvious that the ninth package should be and is a direct correlation between the actions of russia i.e. it is good that the eighth package was approved so quickly, but how quickly after the illegal decision after

the pse before the referendum after all this shabo what in the kremlin about the theft of ukrainian territories is informationally, it is good, but how is it economically happening in russia, and the sanctions should be such that russia loses the opportunity to even be silent about the fact that it can bypass these packages and it can ignore it, and ukraine should be a reference point in this regard if it cannot be a locomotive because it is not a member of the european union, in my opinion, these are all completely transparent facts. thank you, mr. yevgeny, for this extraordinary essential formula . thank you, our dear guests, here is one short piece of information for our meeting with you on the air of antena. it is about the fact that in berdyansk, after the successful work of the armed forces of ukraine, the detonation

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