or is it necessary to concentrate the troops there on their understanding but if he was if he had washed her away then he would have left me from kyiv that's why i'm just sitting there thinking i have the impression that there, relatively speaking , one day a week he has an epiphany, something is happening in his head after 6 days , he dies together again, but there are some cracks where he does some logical things, i don't know, and they are not frequent, but they happen like that one day you are talking about, uh, mainly those who still have the opportunity to do something work with him to speak frankly and in the eye, and it is possible that this is precisely the guarantee that, after all, for 6 days in detention, he will more or less listen to what he was told on the first day, because it is unlikely that everyone has a desire to

follow him to heaven and to do it very quickly, and i don’t think that the environment around putin is thinking in exactly the same way, and it seems to me that after receiving these signals from the west, they are really starting to think in what is the way to either get rid of putin and hand him over to the slaughterhouse or to convince after all putin that it is better to crawl away and stay safe than uh to take this first path uh, that's why i have cautious optimism that uh, the armed forces of ukraine will tell uh, the russian entourage of putin that it's better

than crawling like they crawled away from kyiv, as they responded to kharkiv oblast as they will now respond to kherson oblast because it gives them a certain guarantee of preserving themselves in russia and then the question of the struggle for power in russia is in principle removed because if the defeats on the battlefield continue, then there will be an internal conflict high-voltage and we can see it now by many signs. when they will remove the false tsar, that's why for this tsar, it's still important to keep your e-e real , but e-e to announce e-e something as his obvious victory by restraining nato on his borders e- it is that the heroic armed forces of the russian federation protected the mother's family and

so on. victory is therefore well, i still have hope for that that on this er-er collective putin will convince personal putin that it is necessary to draw conclusions, otherwise everyone will die, but on the other hand, mr. volodymyr, if we talk about logical conclusions, how to draw them after the decision of what kind of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, because these so-called sub the objects of the federation are already inscribed in the russian constitution and just close your eyes and pretend that they were not there. well, it is impossible, even stalin did not inscribe the soviet constitution in finland, department level puppets in the government that was supposed to protect moscow's interests well, when the war was lost, this government simply did not join finland to the

soviet union and then lost its territory, and here the situation is completely different. to be honest , i am surprised at this situation. well, i don't understand how this in principle, it's not even us who can get out of the situation, but putin, well, i remember, let putin think how to get out of the situation he got himself into, er, and then let him tell his fellow citizens that er, that in fact, er, these were not real let's see the results he is hiring another army of propagandists who will suddenly find that it was a falsified thing , let him hang - hang the gauleiter on the towers of the kremlin, i will say that they deceived him and the like and so on that it was actually a lie these are his problems, ours the problem is to help him find someone to hang his rights on and declare them traitors and destroy them in the eyes of the russian

stampichment, this is a question for him and let him have it the only thing i have is a headache in this regard, i am afraid that all the work to save putin's face will not be suddenly joined by some of our western partners, er, only in order to stop, so to speak, the topic of war on er, on this and look for ways, er, at least how now it is customary to say that a very bad peace is better than a good war, and this threat, unfortunately, is taking place. and here we have to keep our ears in the island, as they say, in order not to miss the moment when we have to beat all the drums and shout at everyone crossroads like that it is not possible to end the war in this way. well, this is already from what is called the task, although we must also

fulfill it . there is no plan of action regarding the membership of the so -called pdc. we cannot, it seems to me, be equal to finland and sweden with their democratic norms , not military, but political. such a road makes this path not so long, but shorter and more

achievable. close your eyes and simply make a political decision that it is necessary and such a decision was made and eyes were closed and uh, no standards were discussed and no what uh, military seats uh, of these new members of the alliance were discussed and not about which these are the same european standards that you asked mr. mykola it was not a question, it was a question of what should be done because it is necessary, and i think that in our arguments, in the current discussions with the leading members of the alliance, we should talk about such

examples and refer to them, so we are now we are inferior to sweden and finland in the standards that they dream of in the ato. well, i'm sorry , those countries that we are talking about, in particular, the balkan region, were inferior in the same way. well, what was there to talk about about any standards, and meanwhile they have already become members of the alliance and have the right voice and what standards of the army can we talk about when today the ukrainian army protects the armies of the nato countries and allows them to actually behind our backs to start thinking about how we should reform because i won't tell you a big secret but some representatives of nato member countries say that our army would still not be able to fight, i

won't say who is telling me this now, but these are modern european politicians, so here the question is again not in the pdc, which ones we already have the principle of e-e is not needed for any reason, even from a point from the point of view of the fact that if other countries accept security, why should there be an exception for ukraine, in the end, it is possible to go through some things with a really accelerated procedure or even receive an advance, we paid for it with our blood , so i think that in many in other cases, it will be primarily a question of political will and expediency when it comes together in one point, then i think the issue of accelerated entry will be on the agenda, but we also

know that in nato countries have a fifth column the kremlin, er, hungary has not gone anywhere, it will do everything to the end so that we do not end up there in this alliance, therefore, as an intermediate option, it is not these fantasy plans of the erasmuzana fair, but bilateral security guarantees, like all the ones that, by the way , finland and er, sweden received today from the usa and great britain, that is exactly the path that we must follow, and what and what we must convince our western partners that otherwise there will be no security in europe. in fact, this is what miru is in fact yes yes exactly , in fact, it’s not even a knock on us, because here you can add that it can happen in a planned manner, and that’s why

you say that the projects are exactly according to the plan, but guarantees can be provided before ukraine fully complies with copenhagen well, the criteria for absolutely anything and for vitaliy is actually about this, and before you is the man who in 2008, uh, flew to washington for negotiations with kanduliya rice with the proposal that right then, after the attack on uh, russia, we would load received e-e bilateral guarantees because at the time, as you remember, germany and france blocked our stoves and i explained to her that we would be the next ones, she said volodymyr, what are you talking about, you can't compare small georgia with huge ukraine, that's why it can't be that such a thing can never happen at all well , unfortunately, she was wrong, that's why this idea is not sensational, it has been for a long time er on the agenda, again, there is no political will of our

er so far, at least of our western partners, but the situation has changed and they can't not on her react well, we can imagine that the current state of affairs will somehow affect france and germany, which would join the anglo-saxons so that they are together, i think that turkey will not be against ukraine joining nato in order to weaken russia in the black sea basin and such the forces can probably influence hungary itself or those who are wavering, we can imagine that there will be such a strong ukrainian alliance in nato to still drag official kyiv into this organization , neglecting or influencing the enemies who simply they say no no no no in the time of the comrades

, mykola will definitely join nato. and actually, if we imagine if hungary remains the only country that is against it, it is very uncomfortable, and i think that if we bring the situation to such a state when germany and france will say ok, then i'm sorry . then, in principle, hungary has nowhere to go, but the question is different, the question is in that situation when we are not there yet and there is still no guarantee, and this is exactly the key for us today well, let's imagine that after a certain number of months, eh our armed forces liberated our territory. where is the guarantee that in three months after that, putin will

not go again without gathering another 100,000 or 150,000 people there? there is no guarantee, therefore, these intermediate guarantees from the nuclear states should become for us is the border of the fifth article of the washington treaty, which will act not on behalf of the 30 members of the alliance as of today, but on behalf of only two, but the most powerful ones. maybe months, maybe a year, depending on how the parliament of these countries will vote, but in this case we have immediate guarantees that russia will no longer be able to attack us in this problem. well, i don't know, you have to ask the minister of foreign affairs anyway about the nobel prize and peace, this is what

happened in our country today, i was a little bit surprised, but simply dumbfounded by everything, well, except for the memorial . well, the reaction of our citizens on social networks speaks for itself, regarding the fact that our public human rights organization received this award, it seems to me to be a huge positive well, look , oleksandra matviychuk already today , using this opportunity, told the whole world that

russia must be expelled for treason for the sake of the security of the un, and attention was drawn to this information everywhere, and it is obvious that this is already a huge political result of that what happened and everything else - it's that uh-uh that disease that sits in the heads of our western friends and which must still be treated surgically, because you know, with such slow therapy, it will take decades, they continue to believe that we are all three close peoples who must be united and who must in what way can we peacefully co-exist, this is the moscow narrative, which our western friends do not want to abandon in any way, and this is a huge problem, because it is russian

propaganda, and this must be said frankly, and it has been able to understand its own failures over the years so much to distort the consciousness of western elites of western societies that russia is central to all of eastern europe that ukraine and belarus are somewhere close but not too much subjective well, look if putin macron before during the war, he told me that there are no ukrainians or belarusians. and that it is not known that he is the most well-known, that he wants to quickly wipe it off the face of the earth, so to speak, and macron was silent and did not answer anything. well, then what do we want? it's from the

useful idiots in europe, unfortunately uh, from which you can make i think uh, there is more than one brigade that works for the interests of putin, you can look at everything from the other side, mr. volodymyr, after all, this nobel prize was awarded to three organizations, in fact, that are engaged in researching the crimes of the russian regime, and it must be said right away that the merits of the memorial organization cannot be compared to the merits of any human rights organization in the world. well, what will she pay for? shot in the sandarmos, this is the all-ukrainian shot dead revival, and we owe this to the memorial, and i don't even want to think about what the norwegian nobel committee was guided by, because it has its own political preferences, we have seen them

many times, but the very idea is that the nobel peace prize should be awarded to people who are busy investigating the collusion of the russian soviet and belarusian totalitarian regimes, and matviychuk , according to his organization, is now investigating russian war crimes and the memorial is banned in russia their investigations and the spring is banned in belarus, they are being investigated, so we will look at it from quite a different point of view. it seems to me that we need to work with ukrainian society, because people who voted for pro-russian politicians in ukraine for decades are today condemning those whom these pro-russian idols of putin lukashenko were the most unpopular politicians in our country were sentenced to death or imprisonment. i think that it is necessary to draw big conclusions from this, if ukraine can not become the center of a democratic region, then we unfortunately, you and i will be doomed to live on the outskirts

of this region and always receive blows from those who win in totalitarian countries and we will hear whether or not you are right but not but er equating er civil society of ukraine to russian and belarusian er in my opinion, the nobel committee is making a colossal mistake because there is no civil society in russia today. yes, there is a vandalized memorial, which , by the way, is not here, it is not banned and it has already been banned. and all those who were the core of this committee was either planted or they embodied the same thing actually applies to the belarusian situation, that is why i see in this decision an attempt to point out something that is not really there and once again push this completely false thesis

that russia can be democratized from russia it is possible to do something similar to the civilized world, and that is why we will support there those who can be counted on the fingers of one hand, mr. volodymyr, when absolutely p vitaly, this is an absolutely wrong message, and we are not. i think that we are not should help create the illusion in the west that russia can be democratic, volodymyr, when academician andriy sakharov received the nobel peace prize in the entire soviet union , there were only 10 human rights defenders . yaznov, including ukrainian, including those who founded the ukrainian helsinki group, and it is true to remind of their fate in the west. but did it help russia become democratic, or did it prevent russia from becoming democratic, but to many people, which we

are proud of, it proved that it helped us survive here, uh, among ourselves. then we will talk. good russians, and you look at what was happening at this warsaw security e -forum there and there, there were panels where russian pseudo-liberals were presented, who told how they would be at our expense to build a beautiful russia of the future, and it is perceived, you understand what it is about. and with such awards, the illusion is created that there can

be a conditional navalny, the new beautiful leader of the russian federation. the head of the future provisional government of the russian federation, but he is the same liberal chauvinist, that's what it's about. that is, i'm not against celebrating specific people for their truly dedicated work, i'm with you, mr. vitaly in this regard, i absolutely agree, but this cannot be presented as a trend that actually does not exist in russia, there is no liberalism, and therefore it is impossible to artificially create the illusion that something can change there, this is what we are talking about, at least for me . foreign affairs 7-9 years to the head of the russian research center just the conversation for the last few minutes, i studied

around and about russia in particular and around and about the middle of russia well, we have a lot of interesting questions here. i think it's not about the nobel prize anymore we will answer this in detail, but there is a question . how do you feel about the fact that the population of crimea should be given the opportunity to choose for themselves which members they want me to be ? promotes no ideas on behalf of ilona mask, this is fiction. putin clearly said that there will be no movement, this was said by his press secretary piskov, so this is the mask's plan, not putin's plan, putin's plan to grab some more territories secondly, the referendum here, elon does not talk about the referendum in crimea, this is also a very important moment, he talks about the referendum in the kherson, zaporizhzhya, donetsk, luhansk regions, and his crimean opinion should be the russian translation . so correct me, mr. tailor,

please. i just want to say that something tells me that it will be difficult to do without a referendum, because the world community is beginning to feel pressure to say something. let's have democracy. let's have it. if in crimea or everywhere in crimea i mean only crimea but i think that simply in order to hold a referendum, it is necessary to introduce a temporary international military administration there, some police force at least and stop any propaganda there for 5 or 10 years. that's already -e another question is technical. and after that, it is indisputable to hold a referendum 5 minutes after liberation from the russian invaders.

let's wait 5 or 10 years. when everything calms down, when , when, when will it become a part of ukraine, simply with a temporary european or un administration with police police forces and so on and so on, without russian, how to hold a referendum there in 10 years if it is part of ukraine if this is not part of ukraine, you can hold a referendum there, you will tell everything to the foreign representatives who will come to kyiv and put pressure on the ukrainian leadership what, hello , let's hold a referendum, something tells me that it will be and what is the difference between a referendum in crimea and a referendum in donetsk, luhansk, kharkiv region, it is john smith, who will come from the un and say some words, for example, let's give you 10 billion to restore roads, and you will hold a referendum in crimea for this. i think that it is necessary to refuse, you think so, well, you are the president. i

think that any president who says give me a billion and i will hold a referendum on parts of the ukrainian territory should leave office the next day the ukrainian territory i say exclusively about the country, how is it different in all territories, there was a referendum, the so-called will speak with john smith that's all i want today to be the seventh that on october 8, all these territories immediately became ukrainian because they were taken away without normal referenda no, let's figure it out imagine for yourself ukrainian troops liberated crimea , ukrainian, yes, yes, collaborators, supporters of russia, all those who fled from there, are they sitting here waiting for you, if they wait, they will not destroy, they will flee, but how, how will they destroy, that is a good nickname fled well ukraine entered there yes voter yes yes elections to local authorities in some thresholds will win this party ukrainian because there are no others if there is a collaborating party and its members

need to be prosecuted for violation of territorial integrity, they are simply not participants in the elections after that the event says a you know and we are not sure maybe when the residents of kyiv still want to live in russia yes well, somehow yes i tell you once again i am not a party to the conflict i am sitting here in lviv talking to you but i look completely different. ukraine cannot liberate its territories, but russia wants to join the international community, and then russia says, you know, let's sell a legal referendum in crimea, the crimean sandwich says comrade navalny and the americans say, well, that's a good idea. let 's have a referendum, let's agree with its results, and then russia will return to us one way or another, i see a danger, a danger, that is, that they will start talking about a referendum, and i am convinced that they will start hinting or talking about crimea we understand that the negotiations will start one way or

another, at least for today, they can be seen, maybe after russia's defeat against ukraine, there will be other negotiations, a different situation on the ground, everything is different, and then it may be without referendums in some way, but for today , when we talk about what dangers exist? there is a fifth column. putin's money works in the west. i don't know whether different politicians are stupid or smart, but they are. yes, i don't understand what he is saying, but geleta is a happy person. i am so many things. i don't understand, and she only doesn't understand one thing. i 've always envied people who didn't understand only one thing, how to stop the teams of the 95th quarter, led by zelenskyi, from further destruction of ukraine , to prosecute what is happening in the country because of the fact that hundreds of thousands of deaths for destroyed cities, villages are distorted the fate of ukrainians

in social affairs, the team led to the escalation of the conflict, they are the ones who will start from the 19th year, they stopped talking about the danger from putin, they are the ones who showed the world that there are no problems they stopped investing in the development of the defense sphere, instead they built roads for russian tanks, it took place before barbecues. now i want to bring them to justice. well, there are people. it seems to me that no matter what zelenskyi and his team do, they will be disliked under all conditions and everything bad that happens will be blamed on these people how do they think that putin is responsible for war? it is obvious