who is considered a collaborator, and so on. and if a person held certain positions there, for example, already directly or took an oath there, conditionally speaking, the armed forces of the russian federation, is it there, for example, conditionally, their design, the militia, the police do not remember, then this person will be considered a collaborator, but i'm saying it again. it's just the presence of a passport. it's just the presence of some piece of paper , no more, no less. that is, it is an intention if a person has an intention, and in our country, by the way, this is regulated by the current legislation, if a person commits deliberate actions or intends to take some actions to overthrow our constitutional system, that is, to undermine the state of ukraine, that is, she is considered a criminal, and this means that there, whether with a passport or without a passport, what you did in order to do or planned to do in order to to harm the state of ukraine, if there is such an intention, then you will punish her, and of course we have all the appropriate structures for this to be the

state of ukraine. a russian passport. they can now cooperate with the armed forces of ukraine and, on the contrary, harm the aggressor state in what way, moreover, we must understand . in that territory, ah, but here is an important nuance, you know that us, especially if we are talking about the kherson direction, there is a significantly developed partisan movement, which of course we cannot talk about there, and so on. it is coordinated by forces we have a sufficiently large number of special operations there, let's say i would say our network, i don't know how it's right to say which ones help us and just help us, including with pointing out coordinates and so on and just for this, in the first place, it was included and created and the website of the special operations forces has absolutely all the recommendations there, you know. well, i wanted to say for all occasions in life, well, for all occasions in today's

life, how to even plant explosives, how to make explosives at home, so that, for example, there conditionally speaking, somehow a collaborator or something else, how to cross the border, how to help the armed forces of ukraine, we scout for this or that information, absolutely everything is there and there you can, conditionally speaking, there is a format through which you can join and coordinate, it will not be by itself, you can just take recommendations and you can conventionally speaking be a certain unit. and here is the main criterion written there, which is given a lot of attention, how not to betray yourself, because this includes a danger to your life, so it is given enough attention pay great attention to how to do all this and, relatively speaking, not to give yourself away, so as not to put yourself and the lives of your loved ones in danger, because because of who wants to join or who already exists, there is an opposition site created by special operations forces, well , you can’t trace all of them these ip addresses, who goes where, believe me, there is a separate part of it, and the security there is at the highest level, i can even explain and prove to you why because you have not heard that the guerrilla network is covered

or there are massive ones if, for example, yes, you saw if we don't know about the partisans, but we see their work results, then they are working well, you know the old army joke, you don't see a gopher, but he is, but let's stay at that and we will move on in this topic because the important point about e yes so to speak, the measures that russia is introducing in the occupied and annexed territories that we have not heard of, so the creation of their administrations and passporting have been discussed, here are these pseudo-referendums, which also cannot be called referendums because, well, even the forms themselves are laughable, mr. serhiy, but russia is trying, as they say, to be completely serious about the fact that we held a referendum and these territories are true, they are official well, officially , they cannot draw a line in the kremlin so far because it is constantly being erased by the armed forces of ukraine, but even the russian media admit that we have annexed and held referendums, as they

call them, in those territories that we cannot control so absolutely, and well, a huge process has already been launched here, and that's what we see this laughing stock of referendums, this is the result of the panic of the russians, because i will remind you that they planned to hold it first on september 15, then on november 4, when they thought that they would go to the administrative borders of the kherson and donetsk regions, and here they were preparing for they imported the relevant infrastructure from russia for this purpose, and their specialists who set up networks, recruited collaborators here, and even printed newspapers in a special edition and imported them. that is, we saw all these copies, they distributed it all directly on the territory, that is, a huge amount of work has been done, and specifically by the deputy head of putin's administration, what should it be, what should it be, his presentation project, what kind of showcase and actually

, the whole world expected that it would be like in crimea and from all of this thanks to our defense forces, this huge piece of crap came out when, well , even our partners in the west looked at it and said what it is. decent. and by the way, i also want to note our communities, which for a month already they came out in brussels and all over the european and american capitals in order to demand from politicians not to allow a repeat of 2014 because for the west what was the threat to the west well, it's okay if people take a piece of paper, they will vote. well, that's normal, the democrats practice . it would seem, but it's not like running with a machine gun, but this was a threat, and this threat is all of us together, ukrainians here, the armed forces and ukrainians everywhere the world actually didn't care about the

referendum anyway, of course, in the 14th and in the 20th year, they are completely similar, it's just that the world's reaction is completely different, mr. volodymyr, you were supplemented , i had two additions, the addition of the first in the context of what a colleague said that about the movement against the occupied territories, i am just triumphant now because it reminds me of last year's discussion about the demilitarized security service of ukraine . analytical service, i think that today its work efficiency would be significantly less, well, together with the forces of special operations and together with many other subjects, and it is very funny that this conversation is starting this year too, when he says that it is necessary to reduce funding, i wanted not to make this mistake, because the law enforcement agencies must in the current conditions only strengthen and the second point about the future of these territories and what kind of future russia saw. you know this joke, russia

could not steal the harvest in the kherson region because she also stole agricultural machinery there, that is, if you join some territory, it's not a joke. no, it's not a joke . looted by looters and whether others destroyed it, fled everything, well, that is, nothing was created, tell me what was created in crimea in 14 years, crimea, e-e, military facilities, cities, except for its roads, well, it is from the russian federation. he even by and large, it was not created in crimea, and it fulfills such a military purpose, probably more than a tourist one, because if you build a bridge in order to increase the flow of tourists, as they told it. problems of militarization, not tourist infrastructure, and so

on, the history of the occupied territories. well, they used to use the term in the fault line. yes, such a term is now the occupied territories of luhansk region and donetsk region. created, that is, well, this means that this is an occupation, this is , well, in the worst sense of this word, so to talk about any passports, any referendums, well, this means that we already, oh well, recognize some rationality in this, this is a fas, well, that is, all this is the crime for this crime will be held responsible, all those who organized it will be brought to justice and punished, and they will not pass away, and we are looking for some kind of rational grain. president zelenskyi's decision to recognize as null and void all the decrees of the president of the russian federation that he

signed during the last month, let's move on, because we have already talked in part about the position of the west in relation to what russia is doing on our territory . the agreement with russia should not oblige ukraine to give up territories, the prime minister of great britain emphasized this, lystras noted that ukrainians are fighting not only for their own security, but also for the security of the whole world. we are not must yield to those who want an agreement that sells ukrainian land, they offer to pay with the lives of ukrainians for the illusion of peace we will support our ukrainian friends no matter how long it took ukraine can win ukraine must win and ukraine will win mr. rostislav and to whom does passion appeal, what is it talking about this is who

insists on such an agreement that would involve the transfer of land to the russian federation. look well , first of all, i think that this is also related to the statements of ilona maska. yes, let's talk. frankly, this is still not the last man in the world . to say that for several months, believe me, we are just now, well, if we don’t talk about it, and we will conditionally say about it there, we don’t know about it in the information space. but russia just spends millions and maybe billions of money on information companies inside europe, what is their key story of course, they don't say it there, well, conditionally speaking, in some direct language, but they are there, conditionally speaking, and their videos there, their lobbyists say that you will freeze in winter if there is no agreement there before winter , you will be there in winter, but you see, now they have violated the state of life, it is different in that including political parties, which are, for example, in the minority in certain

countries that are financed, and which will now express dissatisfaction on the one hand, this is normal dissatisfaction. well, when people's economic condition worsens, they will rise the prices will rise, the prices for the utility company, they will also cooperate on this, and this is because we are not there, we do not agree, and so on, that is why there are actually enough big lobbies, believe me , because russia perfectly understands that the west is behind ukraine. well, let's speak frankly, yes. well, if their main task is, you know, how are we there, the front, and this is our rear, if we cut off the rear from the front, well, if you were to suffocate, general russia, russia felt like dividing us, uh, history, now tear this front from the rear, because no they understand very well that they cannot imprison ukraine for this victory and they can only imprison us through western partners who will encourage us, let's sit down and negotiate, because they have even written that the east of ukraine is different from the west, this is actually the russian narrative that we have been using since 2005 it seems that even

before the 2000s, we watched, i'll take a better look. chechnya is different from russia. well, there , in general, on the territory of chechnya, the actions of the legislation of the russian federation, or on the chechens of kadirov the law of the russian federation does not spread, let's divide the whole of chechnya and the kadyrovs, it's the same with this logic, then now we will divide more russians. putin is. case, i'm not talking about the residents of chechnya. i'm just talking about the fact that there are such subjects of the russian federation. yes. where are 15-year-old girls married off ? in accordance with the criminal code of the russian federation, her activity when she talks about the fact that in our country something differs someone from someone else, let them look at themselves to what extent they differ from each other, how homogeneous they are

and how homogeneous this space is, at least in the legal sense - this is one point and the second point is regarding your question about uh-uh-uh-uh-uh statements that time and time again clearly articulate under no circumstances a peaceful settlement is impossible by restricting the state sovereignty of ukraine or the loss of territorial integrity, such a scenario is unacceptable and it is unacceptable not because it is unacceptable for ukrainian society, it is unacceptable because it essentially opens pandora's box and means that today such practices as nexus can be implemented, as i said before the war about the fact that if russia only takes these steps, it will necessarily entail exactly the kind of reaction of the world community that we see today. well , this reaction, this reaction to the fact that they are very

roughly speaking, they love ukraine, although of course some sympathies have indeed formed, this is because for them the question is fundamental, i.e. whether such models of behavior as are currently flowing in the russian federation should be tolerated in the current world, no or no, or should we react harshly to it, and the world is beautiful understands that if it continues like this, such processes will take place in many other countries of the world , that is, the situation may simply get out of the control of the world, the impression is that the world is one thing, everything is united, almost one individual. separate structures are one nuance yes the world but there is such a concept as world order and today there is a certain architecture of this world order and there are certainly certain forces and certain subjects who are not satisfied with this world order today and who claim to change this the world order, they are called world rogues. as we know, there is iran, for example, north korea, various

terrorist groups, yes, russia today is essentially the leader of all these world and rogues, the latest cooperation with iran is the same well, let's move on, and i'm doing it today, well , today russia is no different from al-qaeda and the deal, the only difference is that they are represented in the un as a subject of international law and are also a permanent member of the rotation in this completely different place terrorist group, but i would like you to comment on this, sergey, and russia has violated international law so many times, and even in the matter of its participation in the un council, they still try to follow the procedure. i understand that for western democracy and bureaucracy, procedures are above all this, but on the other hand, well, if there is one, well, i want to say a violator, but a subject who simply disregards all the norms, why can't it be, well, just

despite the norms, take them, throw him out of the un security council , it's not time yet, russia is simply not weakened enough seriously and now and now at the front, that is, in kharkiv oblast, luhansk oblast, kherson oblast , a new geopolitical reality is already taking shape, and it will be and it will be thanks to our armed forces that russia will be removed from the un security council, and by the way, pay attention to the first bells - this is when, uh, these lavrov servants they began to refuse, they blocked visas, that is, they physically could not be diplomats, and they physically could not cross the state border , in fact, i will say more that, you know, it can be a loud headline, but i will explain, uh, russia did throw out this and kao from one of the un structures yes, and many people say that this could be the beginning, or is it really the ice that has broken? look here , there is an important point here. i would divide this issue into two parts .

i think that it will probably be more logical here, after all, let’s say a certain voting reform, which many are now talking about so that it would not be unanimous , i explain why, because even if we throw russia out of the un security council, china will remain there, conditionally speaking, which will always be able to fly, it will not support of course, there is something for russia, but he will spoil our proposals. i remind you of an important nuance, why we need the un security council, because we have more than 36,000 criminal proceedings opened today on the fact of war crimes active soldiers of the russian federation so as to prove all these crimes at the international level to the international criminal court and first of all for the political leadership to the international and international tribunal at the international criminal court to the international tribunal for the political which should be formed it is initiated and can be initiated only by the radbezon and now why we don't do that and we don't initiate it because we understand very well that there will be a veto from the russian side right away rostyslav eh let 's talk about eh how ukraine is essentially

i understand that volodymyr zelenskyi is saying that we will no longer sit down at the negotiating table with putin, that there is a full stop, we will only talk with the next president of the federation, do you see any signs of a shift and that they are reading this signal? well, we guess who it is aimed at. i see and see an important nuance. i would definitely divide the question into two parts. the first is our expectations and the reality of our expectations. we think that this will have, relatively speaking, here we are saying, i don't know, the mobilization took place and again no one came out, something else happened and again no , well, what is it, we need to understand the specifics of the russian federation a little more. and here are the specifics . first of all, i would like to say why i say our expectations and reality and these consequences. they are simple and mobilization has extremely colossal consequences for the russian federation in the future, but they are of short-term effect. that is, we definitely should not wait for them, conditionally speaking, two or three months. maybe even with many people with whom i

i also communicate with our intelligence from other countries, they say that it will be extremely strong there , conditionally speaking, from next year, have consequences. and here it is precisely the key story. will ignite this fire, but it is definitely on the one hand mobilization and negativism will be associated with it, which will be associated with many deaths or other. this is the first part. we can already see their unpreparedness a lot of videos that she dropped there, they didn't give any clothes, they didn't give anything, and it will only increase like this, but i'm sorry, they are here for an important point, they are indignant not because they don't want to go to war, they don't want to go to war in this state, yes, bare feet, conditionally, see what look , look at the concept, because believe me, there is a lot of information about which i cannot tell, but for example, i think this information, i can say for sure , uh, our

prisoners who were in this the last batch was told directly to me. they were sitting in the basement together with, well, what are they called, it’s such a change, yes, uh, they said, we still had a chance to get out alive, they said there were no slanderers. they specifically punished demonstratively so that there would be no more such stories , so believe me why you don't see such videos because i don't have them, they are sitting in basements or something else. that's why they have one choice, well, relatively speaking, as an instinct of self-preservation, give us something to fight for, so look here again, these are the factors they have their own, again, they will not have actions there in the next place, there is a key nuance that we must understand in the russian federation , the people of the russian empire have never been there about the soviet people have never made a coup, but the elites have always done it, and the first moment is internal crimean elites who can make this coup, and there is already a certain split in various ways, we know that there are forces, there is an economic bloc, there are many, not because they love ukraine there, but because they just poured their ass into monaco and a lot

other countries, and now they have taken away all these yachts . and here is the first part. and the second part, on which i place my subjective opinion even more , is a regional split, because it has it seems to me that after separatism well, we that's what i will call it i will fervently support nationalism with all my hands, oh, and it is precisely because of regional characteristics, and the biggest one, let’s say here, you just saw , including the appeal that the president there adds wealth and wants to join other republics, and this option is extremely likely. but again, i still say, we can talk about it. already from next year, we have the republic of valentina. when there will be a bifurcation point, it already has it. on february 24, russia reached the point of bifurcation - polyfurcation. well, at this point, the course of the process is determined even by random factors and must be understood that

they will never come out of this situation as they entered it, and considering how the processes are going now, yes. this is a search for the balance of a new system of restoring the world order, then the world order will most likely be formed without russia, well there is no place for russia in such a russia in this world order. they will have to seriously adjust their behavior, their views and their internal political structures. because there is nothing to talk about. that is, these are people who are in completely different parades, well, that is, there is no language . we are diametrically opposite, the explanation is simple, there is no agreement with russia as before. as it is, even now it is not worth even that paper, well, what else, but we are talking about something else, we are talking about what happens when

putin comes out and, well, mordoch - again, i'm sorry to start in a brick and says that we are open to negotiations, negotiations are not taking place because ukraine does not want and, in principle, there cannot be any negotiations regarding the annexed territories, then what can there be negotiations about, well, that is, you, napa, your soldiers have committed a lot of war crimes here, you annexed part of the territory well, as a declarative yes , because it is actually nothing right , please put the final question to all of you briefly within 20 seconds, even we started talking about russian passports in ukraine, pseudo-passports. anyway, referendums, when will we see real referendums in russia about secession yes, nationalism is separatism and passports of the republic of tatarstan, that is, of all these republics, sergey, we will start with you, these people should call the program i want to live, contact us, get to we will be captured, then we will exchange them and send them back

to russia, and it is these people who will soon rise up and take part in rallies and hold referendums. and the fact that there will be changes in russia. there will be some kind of elites, of course, but we must understand that there are changes, and there is only one cardinal change in the changes group, one tower will overtake the other and that's it, that is, for us, russia will remain our existential enemy in any case, ok rostislav, i will briefly answer your question, a positive scenario, spring, uh, this is more uh, more likely, the scenario is the end summer autumn thank you for the brevity and valentina, well, on march 17, a referendum was held in the soviet union, where the majority voted for the preservation of the ussr, and on december 1, a referendum was held in ukraine, where 90 or so percent voted for the withdrawal of ukraine from the soviet union. it should be understood that there are quantitative

changes in quality and so on. it seems to me that today the number of quantitative changes in the russian federation is extremely high. that is , there can be a laurel-like collapse of the current regime, and at any moment moreover, by any natural factor such as this er. this is called the arab spring, yes, that is, simply the burning of some merchant. and among the ice, and among all the elites, we see confrontations even among the security forces and military personnel, they are already dissatisfied with each other. therefore, it can happen at any moment. we can not say when, because natural factors are at play there role thank you to all of you rostyslav smirnov adviser to the minister of internal affairs of ukraine valentyn glydykh political scientist and serhiy kuzan the head of the ukrainian center for security and cooperation were all in this studio with us thank you to all of you who visited us

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