informational operations or something with their components, yes, yes, if we are talking about kyiv , he also tries to carry out these informational and psychological operations as he saw them, in fact, each of his articles, for example, is devoted to a historical question there about the historical unity of ukrainians and russians, this is an information operation that is thrown into the information space and then it is stretched into various messages there and you can build them, even a psychological operation. is it there, for example, in the spring during the victory parade in moscow, right now, during the signing of the documents on the illegal annexation, you already have direct signs of a psychological operation that is only carried out directly by one person, and then different elements are added to it, therefore, when speaking about the

responsibility for conducting these operations, we must mention everyone and not just say so only top propagandists p and ukrainians can join the promotion of russian well, of course, and a whole network of tv channels that promoted all russian psa until the 14th year in general all the russian propaganda that only existed on cable networks was officially broadcast. all of this was present, and more than that. well, in fact, until february, there were a large number of people in ukraine who really did not understand what was happening and supported russia and could not then believe after february that well, what happened and we saw how it all came back a-and this is a field that actually

opposes russian information today, the entire society of ukraine absolutely well then, who is it 90 9,9,9 is certain percentages and there of the former propagandists who have been repainted, but in principle, their essence has not changed, first of all, and secondly, i think that there are such and such folders lying on them at the lubyanka well, what are they being forced to do, including continuing to commit information crimes and - in principle, or from the territory of other countries, where did they go, allegedly, under the threat of war, we see it, we monitor such situations, but i want to say something more in the wake of the question of multi-layeredness of different levels of

different levels of misinformation oh, it's huge in general, the industry that works, this tik-tok, this seems like bloggers that you would never think about, but when we explain it all and put it together, we see a completely complete picture of those russian disinformers , propagandists, who promote the ideas of murdering ukrainians, the ideas of capturing ukraine, and i will repeat once again, we should include not only the top a-a propagandists there , skopje solovyov, i absolutely support my colleague for this, everyone who created this for many, many years and the seedsmen who sent it everything and hotel operators who drove around with those kittens or what kind of

pokots. well, they lied, lied, lied . well, the people are citizens of russia, who in the end every year deliberately elected putin, deliberately elected this government . with them, because it is a phenomenon. in fact, what is happening as a body, the nation has been turned into zombies of some kind who are broadcasting well, it is already a little less. thank god, but what they have been broadcasting for the past 8 months. well, this is a disaster. we understand that it started yesterday. sir, it didn’t start yesterday and not even since the russians in the 90s, if you’ve already mentioned it in passing and yes, vasyl he talks about it, russia manipulates history from the very beginning, the first distortions there seem to be novgorod annals and even from

the 14th in the 20th century, the work of spreading fakes, distorting history, and so on , in the end, we have what we have. of military public relations directorate of information policy in the field of defense and strategic communication well we continue to discuss the topic and discuss how serious it is and how to counter the fact that russia systematically threatens education with nuclear weapons the adviser to the head of the president's office mykhailo podalyak called it an information operation of the kremlin and will try to force ukraine to negotiate on the terms of the aggressor , he warned that more and more different statements regarding nuclear weapons will appear in the future podoliak called for a critical attitude to the information, it is honest, he noted that ukraine together with its partners

calculated all possible scenarios for the development of the war, this is not only a matter of ukraine; it is primarily a matter of global security in the world, there is a clear consensus pandora's box should remain closed and the leadership of russia is perfectly aware of the positions of various countries and possible consequences are already added to our broadcast e.e. mykyta poturaeva, chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on humanitarian and information policy p. mykyta congratulations good day. yes, andriy shapovalov also continues to stay in direct contact with us a-a hmm please tell me when we talk about ipsot how much ukrainians have learned a-a hmm well, let's talk openly and critically think because the first thing that is needed in order to fight disinformation

, learn to work with it, you need to think critically, do you see that ukrainians have learned to do this since the beginning of the russian and russian invasion, let's say it, from the very beginning of the 14th year well, it's a little better the situation has become, but in principle, well, again, here are all the good things that we are doing, that are being done by other civilized countries there, introducing a media literacy program, well, from the point of view of human psychology, you need to understand that well, i would say that our expectations are exceeded to a certain extent, critical thinking is difficult thinking that requires a person to spend a lot of energy, uh, means a member. the human brain cannot work constantly in a mode of uh, high energy

consumption . i i once gave a lecture on this topic, the winners are 358 times 437, multiply it by two, it is already a powerful intellectual work, if you do such five examples, five problems like this, you will solve it not so much it's just not that difficult. it seems that a piece of paper is taken and these operations are performed there, but after five such operations, you will need to drink a bottle of coca-cola with sugar, because this is roughly the equivalent of the energy you will spend on it you know, you can learn a--and psychologists talk about this in particular nobel laureates are like that. daniel kahneman , in particular, you can teach a person certain things at

the level of automaticity, but we know from a young age that we need to brush our teeth, because the same is true with information. it is necessary to check this information, preferably at least once and check it on a resource you trust, and it will not completely solve the problem, and now i will not give a lecture, because the lecture - it could be this one, we are not there the fact that 45 minutes or two hours would not be enough, but believe me no one can constantly think critically and the only thing we can learn is certain simple operations so as not to blindly trust any e-e message, this we can learn and it must be done and ukrainians ukrainians were forced to e-e certain learn now but it is a long way off no that's not what we

have to try to get to, mr. mykyto, i also have a question for you at the state level, as a representative of the government, how can you protect our citizens at the state legislative level from such and pso a-a lying and manipulative to regulate, to regulate, it is not in the plan to close access to information, we are in russia, we have a democratic society, and how great it is to do it to er well, at least some percentage er reduce it from this untruth, the percentage can be reduced and this is the only thing that can do what percentage can be proven? i wo n't tell you right now, it means completely if we don't introduce total censorship. and we're not going to do anything with it. and even if we introduced total censorship , it didn't protect us. to the full extent, because

even in china, where this great firewall operates, that is a big wall of fire and then alternative information penetrates, that is, they are not absolutely effective, the chinese, more precisely, the chinese government. therefore, this is definitely not our way, and you can only reduce, fight with reduction. well, you can fight with it. well, the first thing is that it is still possible for the state to block the most open resources from which disinformation is spread and from which special informational and psychological operations are carried out and conduct... well, here but here again it is not the state

here, civil society should work harder to conduct explanatory work among uh society and about what uh mass media uh and what bloggers they are what kind of information and who gives out the information and who should verify it qualitatively who should do it who should verify the society yes no look we have many public organizations that are engaged in monitoring analysis, i myself use them, well, the data provided by public organizations and i to you i will say that state institutions can also be like that, but in my opinion, state institutions alone in the modern

world will never cope, so i believe that the optimal solution is symbiosis, it is a symbiosis of such public initiatives, it does not matter in what form they are, you know, a public organization or just some kind of the union of people who cooperate with the relevant state institutions, for example, there is a corresponding center under the national security and defense council, there is a corresponding center under the ministry of culture, information activities they work well they cooperate with by the institutions of civil society and so together together they can do such a common thing if the front and together they can convey to the society information about that so who, as i said, and you uh mean you emphasized thank you for that who am i verified yes yes say, but it cannot be state pressure, you know. well, that is, we are really, as you said, a democratic country. well , that means that in a democratic country, in fact, a

lot of issues are solved by society, not by the state , and we need to move in this direction. to strengthen the capacity of civil society itself, and so the state no, this does not mean that the state should, er, move away from this, the state should also be present there and should help and should play its role, but it is not the state that cannot cope in a democratic society, the state simply cannot cope with it because then the state will begin to turn into some, well, i won't say what, authoritarian monster, but it will definitely be an effective story, but when the state institutions and the institutions of public society come together, then everything it turns out as they say, it turns out for us now we want to ask andriy shapovalov, he is in the center of countering disinformation, and he works as a p mikyto, mr. andriy, do you think that the ukrainian media, hmm, they, well, they manage to fight against the introduction of

disinformation with the same and pso a-a which one you rated the ukrainian media since the beginning of the war . well, if we talk about the real media, and not about some propaganda stories, they are now passing, namely, their hardening is happening, actually, because of this war, the strongest will survive, the strongest will survive. who will have kyiv? the greatest trust and here i absolutely agree with mr. nikita that he says that without civil society this story will not work a-a that is, but thanks to a-a precisely this critical situation we will have an absolutely hardened information field , it is very important that i want to understand and distinguish

this is the mass media and the information and psychological special operations of the russian federation that are taking place. that is, these are completely different things for which even the legislative base must be completely different, that is, one it's one thing when we talk about mass media that have their own opinion and this is absolutely valuable to european society, such as freedom of speech, and a completely different story - these are information operations carried out by russia under the guise of freedom. words and values, that is, this must be punished and punished as harshly as possible so that there is no longer even a desire to do this. i am convinced that after this war and the victory of ukraine, the legislation will be revised

the world has changed a lot, we live in the digital era, and everything that used to be there was propaganda and misinformation before, it turned it into information terrorism, that is, social networks and mass communication media, created to connect people, have today turned into some kind of fantastic microscope into some kind of fantastic a nuclear information weapon, which is cynically cynical with no principles of morality and creates an absolutely artificial information bubble as usual terrorism a-a in the ordinary world drives away the state panics do not work out the same way an information terrorist creates an information bubble in which a person seems to have no way out there is only one

point of view and everything is lost thank you mr. andriy thank you for clarifying we will continue to talk about similar topics we will continue to conduct educational programs to explain to ukrainians so in general, not only modern terminology, but also what is happening in the information space, thank you for your work. and, in fact, it helps all the employees of the center for countering disinformation a lot to us journalists andriy shapovalov, acting as the head of the counter-disinformation center at the national security and defense council of ukraine, was in direct contact with us. of the committee on humanitarian and information policy, nikita poturaev discussed the legislative initiatives of countries to fight against russian

propaganda on the protection of information space also, representatives of the national council for electronic mass media of latvia visited buča to see the destruction caused by the occupiers. fakes about the war against ukraine and propaganda are a very common tool that is actively used by russia. the real scale of the resources involved can be impressive. for example, today the cyber police reported that they exposed one of a bot farm that spread disinformation and propaganda about the war in ukraine, it had more than 50,000 bots in social networks and mail services, the scheme was organized by four people who involved citizens of russia and residents of the same temporarily occupied territories, they generated almost 3,000 fake accounts per week that spread propaganda and disinformation about this war and last week, meta corporation reported the exposure of the largest initially full-scale invasion of russia disinformation network on facebook and instagram, it masked its

message under the websites of well-known western publications such as spigel the garden build and and these propagandists wrote publications in foreign languages, mainly german, english, french italian, spanish, their task was to sow a brother among users of social networks in the west, well, this is an illustration of how and why bot farms work, but we continue the conversation in the context of how countries uh among themselves uh hmm synchronize in the fight against russian propaganda and and not only nikita poturaev with us on direct communication p mykyto a-a here is your meeting with our latvian partners er-e the main goal of this meeting er-e hmm it's not just synchronization in the vision of what is propaganda and what is disinformation and how to counter it ah well this is

actually eh kind of was one of the eh goals of this meeting we very fruitfully discussed eh hm how eh in latvia eh this work is set and how it is carried out regulation, what changes were there in the regulation of the media space after february 24 of this year, and i want to say that well, for example, latvian colleagues eh well , i don't want to use the word shame for us because we had eh much more legal cases after february 24, in the parliament and not only in the parliament , the government of the president is first of all, of course, but they changed their legislation a week after february 24, they changed their media legislation in such a way as to be able to uh very strictly and very quickly simply without any uh unnecessary discussions to

block uh russian pro-russian sites exclude russian channels and coped with this task very well very quickly, we managed to do it, no , but in an absolutely democratic way, i want to emphasize that we did not receive any comments for this from the european union, of which they are long-standing members, and i already mentioned my colleague maksym, why do they have we managed to do it in a democratic way and to do it quickly in our country, it takes some time and causes discussions. we have injuries, er. well, as they say, you know, birth or genetic injuries are associated with er, ten years , years of our independence, when, unfortunately, well, a lot of different political forces tried to establish control over the mass media, to put pressure on change

, and not just psychologically , but physically. very uh how to say we are careful about the ideas of strengthening the responsibility of strengthening the responsibility of the media for certain things, it is not the power of the state, this is what the media is about , namely the strengthening of responsibility, and this is in principle understandable, and it often worked to our advantage, because it this contributed to slow quality media in ukraine. although, on the other hand

, you and i know very well that, unfortunately, this opened up holes for the completely honest and marketable media that were sold for russian money to feel free here. they will fully expose the reality, they spread russian narratives, that means they were sources for conducting russian ipso.net and in general well , they created such psychological corruption, you know, and among ukrainian media people, well , they spread such a question, which is absolutely identical to the russian one, that for money you can sell everything, including conscience, honor and profession, well this is actually what distinguishes us from the country that is , unfortunately, next to us nikita poturaev thank you , the head of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian and information policy joined

to us well, we continue our conversation. i remind the tv viewers who have not yet joined and we are discussing the topic and dog of informational and psychological special operations that are directly and actively used by the russian a federation, promoting the name of the hunters of civil opinion tetyana popova, journalist express of the public organization, information security joins our broadcast good day i would like to add to what nikita poturaev and andriy shapovalov said, if you don't mind, yes, and you wanted to say what for journalists working in fields in liberated territories, ah, the state can do much more if it simply simplifies the admission to the liberated territory. well, when izyum was liberated, there was chatter like bbc-al-jazeera and a large spanish news agency could not get into, for example, izyum, and they were simply not allowed in. and now i have

the same situation with the estuary, and it’s a shame that the international media, which want to expose all the crimes committed by russia, have these bureaucratic obstacles that do not allow these stories to get into the news about uh, these mass graves are not allow them to fall on the first rung of international changes enough as in quantity yes of course someone falls but someone has problems with this and this is no no no not the latest international changes thank you tetyana popova journalist expert of public organization information security joined our broadcast on this we are finishing this conversational studio eh in the studio of the tv channel rada olesii nisevich and i maksym zborovskyi worked for you and the broadcast will be continued by our colleagues luhansk kherson

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