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how our today will affect our tomorrow watch the saturday political club that saturdays on espresso good evening we are from ukraine vasyl's big broadcast winter my name is winter two hours of airtime and my colleagues are with you until 9:00 p.m. two hours of your time we will talk about the most important two hours to learn about the war it turns out our air serhiy zgoretska military summaries of the day and what is the world like? what is there in the world? physicist yuriy will talk for two hours to keep up with the economic news of radio broadcasters. oleksandr morshynskyi. he talks about the economy during the war and new sports. yevhen pastukhov is ready to talk about sports for 2 hours in the company of favorite presenters about culture during the war, lena is ready to speak or something else that many people have become like, maybe the weather will at least give us some optimism ms. natalka didenko is ready to tell us and we will also have distinguished guests of the studio today

volodymyr hryshko, if everything goes well, events of the day in two hours, vasyl's big broadcast in winter, a project for intelligent and caring people in the evening, nayspresso. good evening . we are from ukraine. a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight presenters of express journalists experts opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war daily author's projects on espresso we will see their faces in the news, their names will not be found in the lists of those awarded, they are unknown but countless, they report on the enemy's positions

, they put up leaflets and blow up traitors, they bring victory closer, and because of them , the earth is burning under the enemy's feet, because this is our land. glory to the ukrainian partisans. greetings, dear ones. tv viewers on the espresso tv channel, the program, the studio, the event, we will analyze the most important thing , we are talking about politics, security and new packages of sanctions to deter russian aggression, now with our guest will be daniel fried, the former coordinator of the united states department of state for sanctions policy, one of the leading figures of the atlantic council. well, and then we will be joined by the famous political scientist who is in washington, andriy bionkovskyi. i congratulate you, dear friend, on the air of the espresso tv channel, we understand that

key decisions are being made now with regard to russian aggression, in particular, it is primarily about the response of a collective measure in the event of the use of tactical nuclear weapons by russia against ukraine president joseph biden, like the hero of the poem by edgar allan poe, repeated to putin three times : “no, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, but in your opinion, how tough will the response be from the united states in the event of the use of tactical nuclear weapons by russia, unfortunately, the threat of a nuclear attack on russia remains real, but no longer so much so that this is partly due to the fact that the us administration and president biden have made it clear to the russians both publicly and privately that the use of nuclear weapons in the war against ukraine will have a strong response from america and

of the world community, i dryly believe that the administration has well considered its reaction and that the russians understand that we are serious about this, i think that they will not use nuclear weapons to attack ukraine, but i am not very sure of this, we can expect anything from them, so we must be ready if we compare the current nuclear threat with the times of the caribbean crisis, to what extent now is a high probability, i would ask you to generally compare the situation that developed in the 60s , when khrushchev raised atomic rates to the usual high and now that putin also has this feeling morally ready to use nuclear weapons in principle went as far as putin went last week was radical and tough he reminded

the dictators of the 20th century ago he really surrendered to the whole nuclear confrontation of candy and khrushchev regarding cuba was stopped because khrushchev did not want war and because it was a confrontation between the usa and the soviet union, the difference now is that ukraine is fighting for its life and the usa supports ukraine an ode similar to kennedy khrushchev's agreement regarding cuba is now impossible after all, the usa is not going to deal with russia now regarding ukraine without ukraine, the biden administration will not do this, that is why putin is trying to scare the usa with nuclear weapons, it will not be possible to force us to leave ukraine, this will not happen and i hope

that putin is aware of this even now, we receive regular american military financial assistance but we understand that now we have found ourselves in a new terrible situation when the dictator is really ready to try to save his bloody face to use unconventional means and it was not for nothing that the president of poland - andriy duda made a proposal to place american nuclear weapons on the territory of poland in such a format that he proposed the joint use of nuclear weapons. this is also an extremely important signal that shows the acuteness of the moment. weapons, but i suspect that such a response will have a political, economic and

quite possibly military nature; the biden administration is now thinking about it and consulting with allies, the polish proposal is important because it shows that poland is not intimidated by russian threats. i don't know what the biden administration is thinking about, but everyone there is extremely serious. these are not the people who will leave ukraine because of putin's threats, they will find a way to fight him back to avoid a war between the united states and russia, but continuing to support ukraine in its struggle for its freedom, president zelenskyy said very clearly that he will not negotiate with putin while he is in office, but he does not give up hope that perhaps there are some alternative formulas, we were all

extremely surprised by elon musk, who began to show himself in diplomacy. it was extremely ridiculous and comical and humiliating both for mr. mask and for our country. have demonstrated their resilience but there may be some other additional diplomatic options, first of all, putin threatens nuclear weapons because the russian position is weak, it is weak because ukraine has shown that is capable of militarily confronting russia and has now gone on the offensive, putin's position is weak because the west has not crumbled and continues to stand steadfastly on the side of ukraine, so putin has already suffered a strategic defeat with his threats, he

wants to bridge the gap between his claims and the real power of russia, did you mention ilon mask , in my opinion, his proposal is naive, and now he has fallen into stupid russian propaganda, maybe because of ignorance or not benevolence, i don’t know, but i am very sorry about this, but mask is not affects political issues in the biden administration, he is just a rich man, we understand that the united states helps us significantly but recently, i don't know, a few weeks ago there appeared a letter so specifically and under your signature that should stimulate the biden administration more decisively to supply us with long-range artillery and in particular , long-range artillery charges, we are talking about specific missiles that could reach a couple of hundreds of

kilometers, the biden administration is sending more and more complex equipment to ukraine, they started honest speaking slowly because they were not sure that the ukrainian military would be able to resist the attack of russia, but when it became clear that a worthy effort was being made and that it was possible to successfully defend kyiv , the biden administration realized that ukraine has every chance of winning this national defensive war, you raised the issue of sending even more artillery idealism i personally support this point of view and think that the biden administration should too , they are moving cautiously but confidently in the right direction. i hope that they will continue to move forward and support

ukraine with more and more weapons, i really believe that ukraine should inspire trust and be as open as possible with the administration about what it is going to do and especially what it is not going to do. it is about direct attacks on the territory of russia. i am not talking about crimea. it is not russian territory . it is about attacks. on the territory of russia, because such attacks will probably not find support in the biden administration, and crimea is ukraine, and this is the position of the united states. yes, mr. ambassador, we very much appreciate the consistent position of the administration of president joseph biden. we also greatly appreciate the signals given by friends of ukraine, in particular, it is about the former head of the army , mr. petraeus, and general benahojes, as well as our mutual acquaintance, who at one time commanded the american contingent on the european

continent . losses in case of unconventional use of tactical nuclear weapons, in your opinion, will the biden administration at a critical moment show all its willpower, i do not want to make assumptions about specific military capabilities that the biden administration has, yes, general ben-hodges is our friend and i have a lot of respect for general petraeus, they are not speaking on behalf of the administration, the administration is going to keep its plans to itself and will not disclose too much. i think that the administration will very seriously come up with all possible options and putin must understand this, or is there a prospect of bringing

china to the side of civilized humanity in order for it to put pressure on putin and russia and stop russian escalation and russian war crimes, we understand that beijing is trying to win in the current situation, in particular, at the expense of ukraine and at the expense of what is currently happening on the european continent, because the restructuring is colossal and for this finance, and about technology, about energy, but in your opinion , can shizenpin play now, in particular, on the eve of the elections in i just understood the question, but i don’t have a very good answer for you . china’s position is not clear to me at the moment. immediately before the war, the chinese promised an unlimited partnership with russia from a kind of alliance however, it seems that they are not too satisfied with the war that russia got into at the last meeting, everyone and

putin publicly admitted that the chinese are worried about the war in ukraine, unfortunately, i cannot say whether the chinese are sending decisive signals to putin about the use of nuclear weapons, i suspect that the biden administration is in close contact with the chinese in the chinese may have real doubts about what putin is doing, he is actually drawing them into a conflict that he himself started and which he cannot win, at least so far, so i do not think that the chinese are satisfied, but i don't know what their next step will be, we have another extremely important case, in particular , it is about the accelerated possible accession of ukraine to the euro-atlantic community in response to russia's attempts to annex the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine. president zelensky quite clearly submitted

an application to join nato. processes, as was the case with sweden and finland, although thanks to erdoğan, these things have not yet been finalized, this increased in india the following questions of ukraine's membership and accession in nato until 2022, i would say that this issue was not relevant due to the war between the united states, germany , great britain and other major nato member states will have to reconsider the issue of security guarantees and ukraine's potential membership in nato after the end of this phase of the conflict. i do not see the possibility of ukraine joining nato while the active phase of the war continues, but there was such a precedent when the country joined nato while part of its territory was under soviet control and is,

of course, i mean west germany. that is, it joined nato in 1955, when the controlling eastern part of it was in the hands of the soviet authorities, the usa should review security relations with ukraine under such circumstances as a ceasefire , it is unrealistic to feel safe because putin has a habit of violating the ceasefire regime or not observing it at all, nato will have to be very serious think about security guarantees for ukraine and whether they should include something like article 5 of nato. therefore, the member should be considered from a completely new angle, many things it depends on how the war ends, but if

the war ends and putin's russia will still threaten ukraine, which is quite likely, then the usa will have to seriously reconsider this issue and the decision will not be easy. this is a fair question that ukrainians have the right to ask. i agree with you, mr. embassy, ​​and it would be extremely correct direction of movement on the other hand, we understand that putin is now at the present moment he is counting on two things that the results of the elections in the united states can be extremely unexpected and that will happen literally in a few weeks and at the same time putin is betting on the situation in china when the chinese communists reconfirm their leader xizenping this will also happen in a couple of weeks but i personally have the feeling that putin is now considering two scenarios one is seriously considering the one you just mentioned in particular the entry of west germany into the euro-atlantic community, and

the second point is the story with korea, and putin hopes to keep what he captured during the first month of the war, i do not think that the upcoming elections in the usa, something will radically change in the politics of the usa if the republicans rule the house of representatives or the senate or both, i don’t think that this will change the politics or the administration of biden and, frankly, the republicans are not unanimous on the ukrainian issue , trump’s victory would be in favor of russia, his associates are at least indifferent to ukraine but the majority of republicans remain in solidarity with ukraine, despite the division of the republicans, the democrats are united in their support for ukraine, so the elections in the usa will not be a problem for as for ukraine, as for china, unfortunately, i do not have

enough information about chinese politics to draw parallels and make assumptions about which directions ukraine should work more actively, in particular, it is about internal ukrainian politics so that in the united states, neither among republicans nor among democrats no questions ukraine very effectively presents its history to the world ukraine's ambassador to the usa is strong, active and competent ukraine must do everything possible to show that it defends democracy and the values ​​of europe and of the west that does not commit war crimes or murder, as putin does, ukraine must demonstrate that it is waging a war that the entire democratic world and in ukraine

in general cannot but support. allows putin's war of aggression to turn it into a country that commits war crimes, so ukraine should continue the brave war for democracy and so far it is doing well diplomacy is about peace time now critical decisions should be made, in particular , be in constant contact so that the partners do not have any double interpretations of certain very specific things, the time for negotiations with russia will probably come, but it is definitely not now. the united states and ukraine will need to consult very carefully, however, the united states did not encourage

ukraine to negotiate when it was in a disadvantageous position, and i do not think that the united states should will they resort to this relationship? you are not herbert wells, you are not aldous huxley, it is ray bradbury's fault, but in the current situation, if you predict what will happen to the energy situation on the european continent after the final relations, it is about the gas sphere between the russian federation and the european union was it is said that nord stream 1 and nord stream 2 are de facto non-functioning, we understand that this story is not about one month and not even about the winter season, we understand that we are entering a fundamentally new the energy phase, the russians showed that they use energy as a weapon, the german policy

to rely on the russian energy carrier, the germans themselves recognized that the poles and the ukrainians were right about the nord stream, now europe is not surrendering, the germans are not giving in to the energy pressure of russia. this winter will be difficult, and in europe, everyone knows it and are actively preparing for this and i do not think that putin will be able to destroy solidarity with ukraine in the future world will slowly and steadily abandon fossil fuels decisively the decision to reduce oil production will be considered as another stimulus to the long-term strategy of abandoning oil, we understand that this is a multi-year process, but it is quite real and is aimed at russia forever losing

the ability to use energy as a weapon. how do you see the pace of european integration of ukraine, or is the country a member of the european of the union have the political will to join us in the european union even before the war, in particular before putin's full-scale invasion on february 24, this is not the case in europe there was a political desire for ukraine to join the european union as such after the war, the eu can think about it differently, a lot depends on ukraine, how it will emerge from the war and what kind of national transformation ukraine will experience after the war in the eyes of europeans, in the end it was demanded by the maidan i think that ukraine will be able to open its own doors to

europe through its democracy and internal transformation, this war is being waged by the people of ukraine and when he wins, i believe that if he wins, he will demand a european ukraine when people fight for it, they they will achieve this. and when they achieve it, the door to europe will be opened for them. thank you very much, mr. refrit, for your frankness on the air of the espresso tv channel and for all that you do for our victory and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. well, i want to our viewers to remind them that daniel fried, the former coordinator of the united states state department for sanctions policy, one of the current members of the atlantic council

, worked for them on the air of the espresso tv channel in the studio program andriy piontkovskyi is in washington. glory to ukraine, dear andriy andreyovich, glad to see you on our air. good day. glory to the heroes. a serial criminal who plays the role of the president of the russian federation has started, so to speak, another wave of crimes at this time. it is in particular about attempts to annex the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, but the key question is why such a rush, this is not a one - off, and it is all a personal decision of putin. he went there as if to his allies, remember his propaganda all the time, the majority of humanity spoke for us, but they did not add up to one and a half billion chinese with one and a half, he is in front of the tv screen

. there are such lectures in the world, the teachers who failed to make it to the student explained to him that in the 20th century, it is impossible to enter the shelf with such methods and the overall mood of this global south was perfectly alive for me. well, even the kind you have right now. we were emotional at the meeting with him, it was his ego, it was always such a bandit trick. he even forces the great royal testament, from which the whole world recently said goodbye to sleep. well, he already made us wait there for 15 minutes . in heaven, the attitude towards oneself i

simply shocked you, and after returning in the morning from 79 yes , it was september, he made a whole series of suicidal decisions yes, of course, the conduct of referendums and annexation were still destructive for his power, this is a mobilization that brought a general war to every home, and this is a social bomb , the beginning of it, and it will be a social explosion, and it will finally bury putin's regime, if everything really goes as it goes, i agree with you absolutely, it's the same as nicholas ii gave out a million rifles mobs of peasants, and in the end they returned with these rifles to the city of petra and restored such a thing that you and i have been raking over the entire soviet space for 100 years.

i'm sorry that i immediately jumped to this topic, you are right to say that it is she who will bury the regime, 200,000 people have already escaped and are called to do so. by the deep people, she sent these unfortunate mobs to die and we now hid . clothing there, starting with the elementary ones, there are boots , boots and what, and putin has already started running. by the way, forgive me for interrupting the post-war world trade fairs in order to buy uniforms, that is, there is no uniform, it’s not

a problem, it’s russian zones with the tailoring of trunks, you understand, well, this is opening a social catastrophe again, he started nuclear blackmail, but he responded very harshly, and from the beginning, president bayena’s don don don began, and in detail, levannye and blinken explained that they had already said everything with their feces. even after the nuclear attack on ukraine , the lebanese missile will scare everything in the hands of moskva, the lebanese missile will scare the hell out of it, said horivchik , and then the retired generals explained to petrov that this would be it, they will not repeat the russian crime, nuclear weapons are used, and not just destroy the capacitor with its massive force. in half an hour, the fleet will destroy the mask fleet while this is not enough