here he had for this betrayal and the fact that the russians and belarusians also received well, he does not really have any complaints about the activity of the russian memorial - these are wonderful people and important and great allies of many ukrainian human rights defenders - this is a fact and there are certainly no what claims can there be to this human rights defender and political prisoner who is now just sitting behind bars during this lukashenka regime, but there is such a question. well, relatively speaking, would it be good to have a representative of germany there during the war? even if it was karl jaspers, who at that time was suspended from teaching after the war, actually formulated the points according to which the german people should repent and take upon themselves this collective guilt for the unleashed war and but would it be

good if he received, for example, with someone with the representatives of the jewish ghetto who escaped, i understand that the woman was also a jew and was also under threat of destruction but if it was before then it would be a good signal, well, historically we know the precedents when for the nobel peace prize absolutely inadequate candidates were nominated, let's say adolf hitler in 1939, he was nominated as a joke by a swedish parliamentarian. and this is in contrast to the fact that berlin was not removed from the rain of berlin, it was indeed a serious nomination. well, it was as if hitler was also nominated as a joke. remember that joseph stalin and benito mussolini also were nominated for the nobel peace prize. and there are such, er, thank god that they did not receive it, because such a thing simply could not

happen. was nominated for this prize several times and in 1948 they finally wanted to give him such a prize, but he was just killed and that's why this year they didn't even award this prize. it means that she is not worthy to receive the prize, and novaslav havel, too, and other very worthy people could kill the former secretary general of the united nations, they could also receive this prize. and there is a great deal of debate as to whether the ee are really worthy laureates who received it, the same mikhail gorbachev received it in the 1990s, and after that the soviet union

collapsed, he was more popular . mikhail gorbachev recently killed us in the west. he is more popular than in the soviet union. who remembers those times ? well, if you would ask the lithuanians, and i think that they would be against gorbachev receiving this peace prize, it's 100%, yes. and that is, for one second, there is barack obama in 2009 he received the nobel peace prize and it actually counts prevented him from providing more aid to ukraine in 2014, including military means, because the laureate of the peace prize cannot advocate providing military aid to another country . here is one of the consequences of the not-so-clear criteria for awarding the peace prize, that is, to to a certain extent

, our chamberland is barack obama. i see that mr. dmytro does not seem to agree with this thesis, and i'm sorry, but there are no such criteria, and uh , in itself, politics was democracy, and obama was so careful. that is, it is in no way independent from the nobel prize here is the question and again, we know that organizations are not without a circle of people, but organizations can become, which was the case in our case, there are also no such criteria, the question is only in another. i think that we need to calm down a little here that is, an unpleasant phenomenon that we once again connected with the so -called lack of people. yes, but on the other hand, the prize is held, we have some kind of competition for it, as eurovision is not in the committee, you determined it, and it is enough for us, it is just a signal that to convince that it does not have fraternal nations, there is no such space, yes, ukraine is a country by itself , the aggressors of belarus, russia is by itself, this is

our biggest problem. well, look at the recent pope elon musk, and here again this nobel prize peace, one way or another, seems to be hinting to us that let's make peace, why is this hate speech eh? maybe we should end this war, or is it still a long time? to know better about ukraine and uh, they sympathized with us more because we have a real war going on, not some kind of special military operation that putin is talking about, this is the genocide of the ukrainian people, this is ethnocide - this is cultural genocide, everything you want is happening . the destruction of ukraine by ukrainians is just happening, and it's not easy how to say well, as they talked about some kind of demilitarization, de-nazification simply

indiscriminately where they can, the russian invaders simply destroy ukrainians and all-ukrainian, therefore, it is clear that in the eighth month of the war, a certain fatigue from the ukrainian war against russia, the war waged against us exists, but it is necessary that the western countries do not relax their attention to us, and it is precisely about the fact that there may be such mechanisms as armstrong and the group, or this conference that took place today, the first conference of the european political community, there is a separate point about helping ukraine, including the fight against russian aggression, and we need our diplomacy. i also once worked as a diplomat in the embassy in great britain in the united states of america to she was very active on those fronts and did not

allow the fatigue of ukraine to spread. well, thank you, we are discussing the actual story, and we are very happy that finally the representatives of ukraine were given the nobel prize, at least for peace during the war, but a little bit of us we don't like this message about what i don't know. by the way, i wanted to . let's try to reveal it to the end . this message is on the shelves . human rights defenders have it together they receive the nobel prize, so this means that and we are afraid of a nuclear war, the situation will get out of control, let's somehow make peace with each other, it's easier for us when you're all together, we still don't know how to distinguish you, i don't know, you sat abroad, you speak russian, what's the matter

i don't know, i don't know, there's just something embedded in this gesture, but i still haven't fully formulated it for myself. but i think that the members of the e-e commission of the nobel committee . i probably decided that this is the best message, but i'm just trying to reveal it to the end. they wrote about it like this if you open the annotation and explanation. yes. we remember what is always described for what. here you can go to the site and take a look. it's quite clearly indicated if i'm not mistaken. -e m-m that raises the question of violation of civil rights and freedoms during especially military operations. actually, they suggest that even in times of civil liberties, violations of

these civil liberties nevertheless there are organizations, there are structures, there are people who are committed to these principles. yes, even in authoritarian regimes , try to do it. in our case, it is in the case of hostilities, but nevertheless , there are structures in place for the protection of civil liberties, for the protection of democracy, for the protection of human rights, even for the path of the conditions, they are trying to carry out their activities , that is, theirs is exactly like this, and on the other hand , again, we perceive the symbolism of this situation. it seems that if there are a few more organizations that are not only that there is a war going on in many points in the world is going on right now, fighting is taking place in many countries and authoritarians, if there were a few more such significant public organizations involved, well, no way, they would not be arguing now, nor the reason discussed when so, to a certain extent, after all,

such here's a hint, yes, or the focus, in my opinion , is completely unsuccessful on this region, but on the other hand, it's nice that, again, this hydroelectric power station won the nobel prize. of the university of international affairs and yaroslav voitko, a diplomat and an international expert, were with us and we discussed the nobel peace prize, which was awarded to three countries at the same time, that's how he writes , i don't know. it's probably representatives of belarus. please distinguish between those who serve the lukashenka regime and belarus, because this is how you can say that the chechens are also fighting against ukraine, of course not all belarusians support the lukashenko regime, and of course we thank those belarusians who fight for the

on the side of ukraine, well, i wish that those belarusians actually had more of these positions, well, then it would be easier for us to defeat the common enemy, here it is very important to just note that it is not me, i am on this again. i want to emphasize that just like well, there is no doubt because the people who received the organization, who received this distinction, they have this peace prize, they are important, and this is a well-deserved distinction, and here is the second question. to be honest, we here in ukraine have had enough of this narrative about three brotherly peoples from different reasons well, at least because of what he is historically invented in his own way, firstly, and secondly, well , it’s just one, this narrative is one of the reasons why this war started, it’s one of the reasons why the russians, including putin, for example, deny

ukrainians the right to exist correctly in their language, this is what is happening and belarusians. by the way, lukashenka should not be dropped. we must also remember who you are, what is the meaning of your existence, or are you a part of europe? are you belarusians and not just some russian-speaking , slightly different people? well, for example . theoretically, belarusians are very close to us, the opposite people, our conditions are extremely similar, the most than any other languages, but let's be honest , how many belarusians speak belarusian, so , well, let's not, well, if we don't pretend to be wishful thinking, we'd really like it well, so far not so there are and the facts are a fact just now according to the reports , again, belarusians, good belarusians, there are 20 or more of those chessmen somewhere there now they will arrange for them to transfer explosives here to kyiv to

lviv and somewhere else to people to kill this free the population is flying from the territory of belarus and the belarusians are involved in this in one way or another. now let's talk about another important issue, the issue of the uyghurs . china and why ukraine actually took a strange position became the only state in europe that refrained from supporting the fight against the genocide of the hungarian people in the un human rights council . an employee of the forensic science department of the university of freiburg in germany and vitaly yarmolenko, the chief consultant of the national institute of strategic studies. good day,

gentlemen, you know. i think that few ukrainians understand and know who the uyghurs are and why their issue should be so important for ukrainians. and if possible, not long, short to explain for those people who are not immersed in this topic, who are these people, who are these people, and why is it important for us to pay attention to them, mr. mykhailo, let's start with you. good day. the fact is that the figures are the turkic people who live in the so-called turkestan. although there are different definitions of this concept, the first thing is that they are followers of islam and ethnic, they are quite close to the uzbeks and the kazakhs, and when we talk about the igors, it is worth also note the significant resistance to the chinese occupation in these areas and already

approximately more than 20 years after the chinese policy in this region moved to more such repressive measures, this part of china is in in the field of view, first of all, of western human rights defenders , since it is about the fact that there are correctional camps there, there are systematic repressions there, and all modern technologies are directed by china to the suppression of freedoms. well, the construction of such a hungarian person who would be loyal to the chinese authorities. that is, there is an aggressive chineseization. primarily in this mental sense, despite the fact that some cultural and linguistic moments are preserved there, for example, in the 80s , the chinese published translations of the koran in igorot, and then 20 years later they imprisoned the translator

the koran in hungary and he died in prison. that is, the politics there were changing, and that is why a lot of human rights defenders are now saying that the mountains are really in an extremely difficult situation, there is just not much information. unfortunately , what is really happening now, mr. vitaly, can we say that the chinese and this one we have, the chinese with games, the russians with the ukrainians, the chinese convince that the uyghurs with them are one people and these are the camps where they kill the uyghurs, if you read about what means they do it, what is there, for example people sleep with the light on all the time, or they are woken up in the morning and forced to sing the chinese national anthem, if you look at what is happening now in those torture camps arranged by the russians in the occupied ukrainian territories, and what they are doing to our

people, well, these are very similar means, methods, actually, why then ukraine clearly has some similar things. thus, somehow they disown the uighurs from standing up for them. well, first of all, it can be noted that actually 30 is a slightly different situation if we are talking about the ideological component of this on this issue, china has never claimed that they are one people with them in the sense of a national, ethnic, dimension, china, on the contrary, has tried to rebroadcast since 1949, from the moment when the people's republic of china was proclaimed, actually certain such friendship of peoples, especially in this

region after er beijing or the communist government actually re-established control over this territory which for at least 20 years was a de facto independent state, in fact the very name of xinjiang, that is, this part of er is the name of sentian the obolon autonomous district itself means a new conquest from the chinese, that is, in fact, from the early modern times, when this territory became part of er china, er, then still monarchical china, it was considered rather such a western province of the empire than directly er ethnic chinese territory . and it must be said that in

general, hmm, in general, there was more of an ideological struggle, that is, in ukraine, it was really islam, and this policy especially intensified after the collapse of the soviet union in 1991, when such the communist leadership of china saw how quickly, let's say, communist communism can fall, and the peoples of the national republic can, let's say, return this national identity and declare their own statehood. they began, let 's say, to strengthen this policy. nagora came out, she came out as the owner of islamic narratives, islam as an ideology for the liberation of the cultures themselves, and in 2016, it actually

begins, let's say, first of all, the leadership of china is changing the party leadership in place it was actually appointed in 2016 as a person-in-charge of the local branch of the communist party of china in chenjiang, a person who headed the communist party in tete, who conducted similar activities there with the actual suppression of any opposition to the authorities. a similar practice was actually introduced by the number itself , and actually since then

. the tongans er-e torans who also became the object of persecution about the fact that actually some camps exist there and in those camps er-e there are those practices that you er-e actually mentioned er-e and we will say this gradually with each testimony er- hmm, there is a certain tension and criticism of the chinese government on the part of the international community. and actually , here we see that it is also here that it is doing a kind of practice that was done in the soviet union in terms of respect, i.e. conducted such kind of theatrical excursions for

representatives of e-e foreign governments to diplomats in international organizations where he showed that in fact there is nothing like that in these labor camps e-e these are simple labor camps with e-e where they provide education and teach the chinese language and chinese culture to the local non-han population, i.e. not an ethnic population which uh, it's not related to the ethnic chinese, uh, it's actually partly partially connected with it, and uh, something ... -e uno e michel e-e barselet beshilet at the end of may this year, based on the results of which

the same 48-page report was prepared on the state of human affairs in the social autonomous district, it is actually described, on the one hand, on the one hand, and the achievements of the government, what is the official central government the government has achieved er achieved in this region er of course the economic situation er the economic situation has improved and the level of necessity has decreased, at least officially er on the other hand there is open er it is about er as well as er proper no selective e-e or detention as well as about mass torture er about violence and when trying to select er take children er

take children to separate camps er parents should also have separate camps where children er are actually put in conditions where it is not possible to communicate and in their native language, they teach 4x7 chinese, and imagine the latest postulates of the party and the international community, so that the west understands, let’s say , the theatricality and arrogance of such cooperation with international organizations, such as un structures, on the part of the chinese leadership. with another thing we see is that actually only the kazakhs, kyrgyz and the mountains who have at least some minimal access or communication with their relatives who managed to leave a soirée actually they see the evidence

of that tragedy there is rape of women, sterilization of women and executions, well, these are terrible things, but why did we somehow wash our hands of it, actually what to emphasize is that i am also a parallel process that also applies to china, this is what has been going on for several months, in particular, about the presidential majority in the parliament blocks the creation of such a parliamentary group secretly and this on the one hand. that is, this is what it looks like. well, maybe i am wrong, you will say that this is not true at all. and this looks like a conscious unwillingness to quarrel with china, perhaps in order not to push it to some kind of help from russia in order to stay here well, that's because, as far as russia is concerned, our bridges have been literally burned today

and we see that literally yesterday but it seems that the parliament, on the contrary, praised the decision as much as possible and er, tough, there they recognized the kuritese the islands are japanese territory well, for example , when it comes to china, we are extremely careful at this moment. it seems interesting to me, mr. mykhailo, can you explain this? this is very interesting, because on the one hand, the right of the peoples of russia on this definition is adopted with one hand, and on the other hand, what has burned out in other nations the region does not have such a right, in fact , from the time of the presidential and then parliamentary elections, the monomajority demonstrated very good ties with china, and it is obvious that these ties are now also ukraine really remained the only country in europe that did not vote against, but received what in this case is equivalent to a vote against, that is, here is such a flirtation with china and an attempt to establish

something from china . this is done in the same way as one of the tools of pressure on possible western partners, who say that we have not yet closed ties with china and we do not want to have a final quarrel, but the problem is that there should be claims not against ukraine, for example when in february, it happened that i was detained by the war in turkey, then on bayazid square, when there was the first pro-ukrainian rally in istanbul, among others, there were the most igors in the game, they came out to support the ukrainian crimean tatars against the occupation, well, ukraine actually knows very little about the igors. that the majority of muslim countries to practically all voted directly against this qatar and pakistan because some of them do not care about their co-religionists or at least believe that the siege of china publicly will not give that

gurams don’t have any preferences, even we can see that when a colleague talked about these, well , conditionally, such potemkin villages that china makes there, then i talked to some from saudi arabia, they write that they were given them, they were driven by the sword, they showed how everything was fine, like religious rights adhere to and in general, what is the problem that they say it is america that inflates the same thing, i hear the same thing from representatives of some turkish universities who criticized there in general, but the fact is that even european universities in the university the community has cases when, i'm sorry, these or other teachers are simply dismissed for criticizing china in front of chinese students, but they have anti-chinese publications, the chinese lobby is much stronger, what can we talk about infiltration in the ukrainian, including the scientific structure, some of us see what i noticed institute of

oriental studies and has some frankly strange theses about and about islam in ukraine, that is, actually, even at the scientific level, such an anti-islamic narrative is somehow imposed, but with on the other hand, about the chinese. for example, in britain. in the same switzerland, i have repeatedly heard from colleagues that, well, somewhere they hint that we have chinese students. they pay money, let's not talk about it, and it's a big problem. it 's the same problem. which concerns russia, what they are trying to tell us now is putin's regime. well, there are good russians, the same applies to china, which is the policy of the communist party. china is a big country. it can change, and ukraine simply became a hostage of this that is, there is absolutely no situation. well, there is no reason to consider it normal. such a position, but on the other hand, ukraine itself is not to blame for this, nor is the ukrainian government. because in our country, the entire muslim world simply

closes its eyes to what china and specifically ukraine is doing. well, it should be at least not at the public level , it is obvious to establish some contacts both with the igorot school community and the diaspora, because back in the fifties , for example, the kazakh diaspora emigrated en masse from china, they were actually deported from there to kazakhstan, then to turkey, and this work is necessary carry definitely maybe then something will change in their understanding of the authorities and ukraine will finally declare itself even more as a subject, this is a bit maximalist, but well, at least i see the situation like this. thank you for helping us understand this issue . of the forensic department of the university of freiburg in germany and vitaly yarmolenko, the chief consultant of the national institute for strategic studies. we talked about hungary and why ukraine did not vote for supported these figures