that identity and in principle the existence of ukrainians and ukraine in this land and that is why it is very important here how the ukrainian winners will communicate and how the nobel committee itself will communicate about the division of such a prize but it is divided but december will come and we will have to oslo stand well, not everyone because that guy is from belarus. i think lukashenka will not release him from prison on the occasion of receiving the nobel prize. more than yesterday it arose with a discussion about whether enemies are good or bad friends and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so you say about it look i

represent including the ukrainian institute and and we when we started during the full-scale invasion in the first days we started and the company regarding boycott of russian culture, including in other countries, yes and that is why today we are talking about what for us we will not miss when they try to put ukrainians and russians on the same platform and force them to say ah and eh and make them start eh the dialogue about reconciliation is absolutely not about that, and i have already seen the comments of oleksandr matviychuk, the head of the center for civil liberties, who said that with the memorial, this work that they introduced as human rights defenders was consistent with the memorial. on the day of the occupation of crimea, including

here for me the question of what messages will be said on this site in the first place yes, unfortunately, i did not watch oleksandra's press conference today, but i think of oleksandr as he was back then at home in ukraine the human rights activist said and made important important correct messages because she is one of those who, including now, are promoting the topic of a tribunal for putin and a tribunal for the putin regime. well, i can ask one last question. look at this discussion among your colleagues of human rights defenders, i am convinced that they discuss and desire over a beer, ah, good russian, bad russians. yes, i just watched lev ponomarev this morning. such a

russian dissident is famous enough, and he was a very fragile person, he said. i will not discuss nothing about the ukrainians, they have a war, i don’t even want to say anything in this direction, i always liked this position, i liked it a lot and had friends in russia and they are honored, who also never commented on anything, did not wear themselves mentors, such clothes that we will tell you what language he speaks there, what heroes he likes , just one. we will win. in a month or a year, the russians will still have this debate, what do the human rights defenders tell us, too, but it is true that yesterday's news

divided the sphere, i will say how i feel about this. and when we talk about a discussion with good not very good to the russians, then such discussions can take place after the last russian soldier leaves ukrainian land, including from occupied my native crimea, when the russian cats will begin to go through the process of three oh, when the process of reparations will begin, then we will be able to talk about something with by russians publicly, now i don’t see any opportunity to go to such joint platforms. okay maliev, deputy

director general of the ukrainian institute, journalist, human rights curator of the crimean platform in the letter lviv. to the questions, i can leave more time for questions and i will even explain to you why i left a little more time for questions, it is because i listened to work today, which i always do in the morning and afternoon i listened to what the russian liberals were saying, and it doesn't matter if there are quotation marks or not, and i thought that one of them said that there is nothing more important than life and that it is the greatest value and and and i would say in relation to until some time maybe until 14

i thought so too, but today i thought that there is something more important than life, because thousands of tens of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians went to the front not because someone drove them there with a whip, but because they were ready to give their lives for my people and this is a very important point i am talking about said that in the 14th year there was a very sharp conversation with some people in the sense that it was not very pleasant and what i will say now also borders on cynicism to a certain extent with such cold coldness . of a son during a car accident, this is a terrible, terrible grief, ah, and i thought: what if a mother loses a son at the front, even so, a wife, a sister,

a mother? i think that i am a target after all. i am not a woman, i have never given birth, i don’t know, i just suspect maybe i i'm wrong. by the way, the language is very easy i could be wrong, but i have the impression that the value of death during the war is different from accidental death somewhere simply because of some kind of absurd situations when you understand exactly that your relatives and your women, let's say so abstractly , understand what you gave your life for, there is some the price has no price when it's just an accident hit the car because there was a drunk driver it's just pure horror and we can't find a price because human life is priceless and death is, well, that's all the death of the universe yes, if you remember shakespeare, there is a price, this is a continuation

of ukrainians, this is a continuation, this is a pedigree, this is death for the sake of the fact that ukrainians continue to exist in the world on the globe, and this is a value. this is a value for the world , for the ukrainians themselves, so i just thought that russians are just liberal, even without quotation marks, they do not experience war, they do not understand that during the war, many things change, and in particular, the attitude towards the value of life changes, and you can change the value of your life. what do the ukrainian people and ukrainian soldiers and ukrainian men and women who are also in the army and they they understand that my life i really don't want to

lose it, but the value of the state, well, not even the state of the people can and the state means that there will be children, there will be grandchildren, granddaughters, and this and this community is large . forty million will continue itself in its children, its grandchildren, and further, its culture, its stories to their future and here are only those people who are going through the war. it seems to me that only they can estimate how much life is worth and whether there is something more expensive than life, that's what i wanted to say. well, now let's ask the question how are you on the basis yes exactly how are you do you ask questions of good russians for a concrete wall on the border with russia or for cultural exchange, you know, i often answer this question, i will tell

you, natalya, i wrote the book, i am afraid to make such categorical questions, as i am asked here, such a categorical question, you know, i think it will look pretty bad if the ukrainians stop putting chekhov on the stage and then come to london and see chekhov in the theaters of london, new york, paris , berlin, and so on, and this is such a story, you know no no not black and white time will pass someone someone will remain er on ukrainian stages someone will not remain i for some reason think that very few will remain because only those who are not russian will remain a is a world heritage tchaikovsky

will remain gogol will remain although of course also a ukrainian but we must not forget that he was a terrible imperialist, he loved the russian empire, but i am not convinced that pushkin will remain. or maybe there will be operas . and nothing else. that is, the world will decide this, just as the jews did not they perform as a rule, but his name before the battle is a jewish conductor, a world star of the vienna philharmonic, i don't remember, i won't lie, but he just told me not to care about the fact that someone doesn't like wagner. i love wagner and i will perform it, yes , for many decades after the second world war, no one did it. well, here's a story about how everything can pass in a year, it certainly won't pass in two, and maybe somewhere in 20, and in 30, they will still start, you know, a generation will pass

, this is a generation of idiots, and the young will come the new generation in russia, if they take to atone, then we will forgive, because the people who atone deserve an apology are the issue of discharge. apologized for not because of the tsarist regime and the absolutely murderous national policy towards the same crimean tatars, ukrainians, further, further, further, there are many people you can turn to, not after the second world war after the first world war, not after the october revolution , not after the 45th year, they did not apologize to the poles, and the liberators of europe came and killed

half of the eastern europeans, and so on. when the atonement begins, you know, the jews forgave the germans because the germans began to atone. and if the germans did, and we did nothing they didn't do and what do i owe this is my grandfather fought i didn't kill anyone so when will this happen and i know a lot i don't have relations with russian so-called liberals and among them i know people who never apologize who they will never say that listen, we are to blame, okay , there are ukrainians, half of them are estonians, finns, japanese , georgians in the eighth year, there are many, many, many nations, and there are nations that are inside russia. they may not understand that nothing will save her anymore, they are still going against everyone well, first of all, they are not going against

everyone, but against natalya knysh, as i see it, because i think that there are enough people and that maybe something can happen, time will pass, they will leave in another the world is ruined and merkel and so on and the like. they are people brought up in this culture . cultures are often imposed on this. we were just talking about this. well, how is it? well, the russian ballet is coming. let's say i'm 12 years old, i mean merkel. i 'm going there. i look around the gdr. well, i can't. such people who do such a ballet and dance so beautifully, then take a gun and kill anyone. that's why they talk like this. i'm talking about the dead orban. i have the impression that there is another person there, not about culture. it is said there is simply a benefit getting cheap gas, oil, etc. well, the

resentment of hungary as a result of world war i and ii, when in fact, around hungary, many lands are considered theirs by hungarians, and not only ukrainians also in romania and slovakia, and so on in ukraine it is necessary to understand that it is such, it is two two two two branches, if we were to say pro-russian merkel on the one hand i think that america is an emotional story like this oh and forget that she studied in donetsk with us and that is why she knows good russian, you studied in donetsk and orban is a different model. what kind of model can ukraine and russia have after the victory? ukrainians understand that it is not putin who kills, rapes,

loots. i cite this, i cite this example constantly, many times. anyone who can watch it regularly knows my answer already by heart. time is the only thing that can change the situation. i cite the example that if someone thinks that the germans began to atone in in the 45th year or in the 46th year or in the 56th year or in the 66th year or in the 76th year, this is not true. some politicians really began to apologize. they began to understand this and began to behave accordingly in front of the jews, but when the nation understood,

a work of art was needed for this, in 1979, count the number of holocaust films released, i advise you to watch it, it 's scary, it's about germany, hollywood opened the eyes of german society, showed itself a mirror of the germans at that time, and besides, did everyone who criticized in the 1960s throw rotten tomatoes at the criticism? what do you mean by the year 1961? it's 15-16 years after the war, and in 1979, a movie was released . everyone saw it. everyone noticed it. a catastrophe, not someone else's, but one's own. this is not a catastrophe of the jewish people, it is also a catastrophe of the german people, because it is the same neighbors, listen, in the first world war, on the side of

germany, they were simply german citizens, 100,000 soldiers were of jewish origin, they fought for this country, and then hitler came and killed they are among the other six million, so what do you mean, it is such a long story. i don't, i don't see before 20 years. i just don't see 20 years, and only with external management, if we leave russia as it is now and allow to re-elect, re-elect to stay in that themselves within the limits of the same constitution, the legislation of the constitutional court, the federation council, the state duma, the same division of these e subjects of the federation, this is the end, this will be war, again , again, some democrat will come for some time and then putin or stalin or someone else will come again, that's why

i see only in the case of foreign administration cruel and harsh, and the anglo-saxons should be involved in the foreign administration, and i would also like ukrainians . well, to a certain extent they imposed the system that now satisfies all germans and all japanese and so on and so forth, that is, you mean how russia can react to the donation of the crimean bridge and why the first version was an explosion of a truck, and why should it not be an explosion of a truck, first of all, let's

take it for granted , don't take it for granted, i don't rule out the possibility of coincidence. there's some kind of flame, let's quote the poet pushkin, that's all. maybe so. and to believe, we already say that the truck explosion is the first version - this is the first version of the russians. the ukrainians did not publish any version. the dough cooperates with the american special services, and when it is sometimes considered so, it is unverified information, the estonians say something. that is what the americans are asking for, so the estonian official congratulated the sbu of ukraine on a successful maneuver, but we cannot say anything, we do not know what happened there. and i think that only after

the war, some kind of survey, a special commission created not by putin, but an international one, will be able to attract specialists from ukraine and europe and from america and from canada, maybe from japan. i don’t know what to say there. this is the composition chemical such and such explosive chemistry is produced at such a russian plant or at such a ukrainian plant or at such an american estonian i am not georgian people who do not like russia much more than ukrainians believe me georgians also lost 20 or more percent of their territory and this and that i will mention the huge heart of georgia so casually because it has its own sentiment and russians go there and georgians do not close the border , i do not know how i would react if

russians started going to ukraine now, hiding from mobilization i don't know from whom you learned about the destruction of the bridge what was your first reaction and there was no version of me i learned from the internet from a fire that broke out in my computer or in my phone i don't remember anymore for some reason i woke up somewhere around on the 5th there was something or at six o'clock, literally, that's when it happened. i was convinced that there was no explosion, i was convinced that there was a fire. and only two hours later, they fell asleep again, then 3 hours later , my wife lesya told me to listen there. explosion and i still did not believe her, i must say not an explosion something is on fire, and then somewhere i started researching somewhere in the networks and then i already saw that there is no fire, namely an explosion, and then it is already on fire, so

what happened merkel told petrus that a strong measure of europe is possible only with the participation of russia and all the time the mail of a large-scale war, she somehow reacted sluggishly to what was happening, what do you think about it, is she a useful idiot of putin or a former gensthaisi, but there are options that she is just a person of a certain age and in a certain way thinks honestly. you can't imagine it, so i want to tell you that it's quite easy for me to imagine. i'm just looking for it. if there are any more questions, someone should bring them to me, because i'm already done answering the questions here, and maybe someone else has accumulated them. here are the questions mykola veresyu stadnyk on look at the page briefly, i can

only repeat it once more, but it can be uh well , first of all, for some reason i think that she is not very pleased with this whole story, she is definitely responsible, but we are all responsible, yes , lastly, when i say i mean all of us ukrainians, but a person in their right mind cannot believe that in the 21st century the leader of a nuclear power will blackmail the whole world, put on seven or how many of us 8 billion are sitting, some in africa, some in latin america, some in asia, some in europe, some in north america, let's sit and watch not everyone has a tv set in september, and we are waiting for one person to click on

some red button, just imagine the disaster, imagine it on a normal website, now we started to imagine it because we are at war, and i i want to tell you that not everyone in europe imagines . far from everyone, because they don't have a war and people don't die, so it's definitely impossible to believe it, and when someone says oh, we knew in advance, no, no one knew anything, no one knew anything, no one in i don’t believe it, i gave this example. i read somewhere that when they in october of last year, exactly a year has passed since the warnings about a possible war from russia began, everyone who gathered at that time in biden’s office said that we don’t believe it. maybe because it can't be never, but there was evidence of intelligence on the table, let's not

forget that in america 17 years 17 and they made a joint decision to act as if they believed in the possibility of an attack by putin and russia on ukraine, although internally they were absolutely not, well, they simply did not believe in it. they just came cold the generals of the special services are cold and said look at the map look here look here look here and look here and they were looking at the net, well, they were just reorienting themselves, as if reorienting the internal that no, we need to get out of this, because if we continue to not believe, then what the future will be unknown well here is good news by the way what i want well this is my personal opinion i think it is

so cursory i will tell you already i think that there really are no signs of a nuclear war tactical or not there not tactical because well i just don't believe although you know, it is possible to do the same as baydy did, but i don’t believe it is possible, i say it is possible, now they will bring me questions, well, bring them, bring them questions quickly, quickly, even if the screen is turned on, it is still possible, this is the work, but i do not believe in the beginning of the third world non-nuclear war thanks i just don't believe and everything and and if i start now to explain why here well then i will take time from all

the programs until tomorrow there there are very many very many reasons to have great doubts about whether this plow war is possible what are your thoughts on detonation the crimean bridge was given by the fsb or the sbu jointly. i think that the work of the fsb has been working freely or not freely in recent years for ukraine, and i always said that what medvedchuk actually is. weak the ukrainian people are waiting for the russian with flowers and the fsb did not help him in this, it is not known how it all ended. and so you see, everything is more or less normal if the collective defense of its time did not turn a blind eye to all the crimes of the russian federation. is this moldova, chechnya, georgia, syria, nexia, crimea or dared putin

a full-scale invasion blackmailing russia for nuclear power transmission what awaits the world so i want to tell you natalia hopak that when tens of thousands of people died in africa i did not see a single a-a a-a not a single demonstration on khreschatyk when milosevic of serbia attacked slovenia and croatia and the kosovars, i didn't see anything. it was nothing. when the borders of ukraine were just outlined around us, when the war started around us, we all said, where is he, where is the collective event, and where is this, and where is this, and where is it? in other words, wars are going on in asia, in africa, they are going everywhere, and the

ukrainians somehow have a rather sluggish attitude towards it. and now it is undeniable that the united nations is where the united nations is. and where is it? collective and from all over the world can lead to the fact that somehow we will put this world in order and some kind of democracy will prevail on this i finish my part of the broadcast iryna koval will continue her part of the broadcast i wish everyone more good news that was today the 19th in ukraine and i will tell you about the most relevant events at this time i'm iryna koval, greetings