i have already learned this from tulip kozynchuk and other psychologists, but the fact that people were afraid of the first battle, and after it, as mr. kovalev says, they returned motivated to further defend their country. that is, this kind of psychological regeneration is successful or not, but not all of them went through everything, some, on the contrary, were forced to pack up and go to western ukraine. for example, many of those who remained on the battlefield kept calm and kept this motivation - these are the people behind whom are their children, wives, parents, that is, their relatives went to defend in each one went to defend not the idea of ​​a family, but their own family, their own family , their loved ones, and this is what motivates and strengthens people, the belief that they will save their loved ones, it is clear that after this war, especially the value

of our of psychotherapists will increase greatly because they will probably write doctoral dissertations and this will later become a part of science useful for the whole world after the second world war. probably there were also a lot of works on this matter. are there any protocols on how to act in such in times of crisis, how to help people when there is a very when there is a very big crisis for them because we know now a lot of raped women, a lot of united children, a lot of children are left with limbs, many children are left with parents, and to say that, well, take a drink, it's reassuring to say that everything will be fine here, it will probably not be enough, you know , the protocols in the protocols are written specifically about sedatives and precisely about such simple things that can be done to a traumatized person psychologically of a traumatized person and er, more complex things they

they are individual, they are selected in relation to the life situation in which a person is and this individual work, that is, individual work is the most effective work in relation to traumatized people, protocols are not suitable for them, just like that, protocols . which can be applied to traumatized people, but they must be perceived through the prism of the personality, through the prism of life, through the prism of the situation in which the person found himself. in this war, psychologically, with what situations, this situation is different, the loss of loved ones, the loss of a home, the loss, you know, losses kill different for someone , the loss of domestic grass-animals is also a big

loss . with which you can get psychological help, er, this is a hotline that we should use if you feel the need for this, let's now pay attention to such ours this is absolutely not a sociological study, but a survey conducted by our colleagues in different regions, we talked to ukrainians from different regions. how was the war affecting them? so the correspondents talked to the residents of poltava oblast, bukovyna and odesa. what did the residents of poltava say ? i see this, i came to

germany, i sat in the first days, it was very difficult, then somehow you get used to everything, unfortunately you get used to it somehow, well , you just try not to think, but still, there are terrible flashes on your forehead for your future, how to overwinter a feeling of hatred, a feeling of not recognizing the russians with whom i used to relate before , usually, and a resident of chernivtsi says there was an explosion. yesterday , not many were affected economically, we shared work, now it is difficult to hear their thoughts, the emotional state is very difficult, you understand, we are worried because there are many acquaintances and relatives there at the front line , do you understand that? well, we are just praying for our ukraine. it has had a very psychological impact, or we are not at home now. it is unusual for us to be in such circumstances

. it is very difficult for me. it did not affect me in any way. it was like that and it remained well, nothing has changed in general i am not afraid to go by car i am not afraid to fly in and i am going to study for sure i will talk to everyone about me personally i lost my job but i have such a problem with that yes but i am not disappointed i found another job and we continue to live, but the people of odessa had to get used to the new realities . a trifle in its own way with the fact that the guys there are so worried about everything. of course, well, i came up with a secret that they should not forget this, but they need to be able to

distract themselves, that it certainly helps . you play with a little more joy and rejoice somehow what was before that but not like that uh and that 's not how it probably was at first the truth is necessary to find the good in everything we do we work we try to live on uh i'll remind you andriy kozynchuk, a military psychologist, is with us, mr. andriyu, and how long does it work in front-line and in regions far from the front, as the odessan said, don’t forget, but to distract yourself, it works from the very beginning if you distract yourself, well, there are all kinds of things, for example, to leave or there he said that i'll learn chinese,

for example, but it won't, but it will catch up later, if you run away from some exclusion of the problem, then it just accumulates in your head, and then when you relax, it can catch up much better, after all, learn to talk about it well, first of all - is to find your safe place where you feel normal, to find safe people with whom you can talk about it, if you find that all this does not help, run away match let's go to a psychotherapist, he or she will not let you lose what if you just be well , to be distracted as if there is no such thing as such does not exist , then as a result well, you can increase anxiety yes, but this boy diagnosed himself very coolly because he said about the skin and if something appeared on his skin, these are the first signs of some kind of psychosomatics, that is, that the body reacts to your mental thanks to me, this means that it can

work. therefore, what shows that go ahead , head ahead, something something is wrong, something must be done about it, and when we do not run away, we will not freeze from our problems, but we will to decide, then, in principle, we will do everything, just pretend, well, follow the armed forces of ukraine, some bidosya came, they got up, took atb bags, went out to the field, rolled hand tools, and everything is fine. speaking of transferring all of this to the nation as a whole. so we are waiting for victory. i know that for many people, by the way, it worked. on the one hand, psychologists say that you cannot set deadlines, that there will be victory in three months. then another six months, but part of my entourage it just helps, you know how they jump over bumps, they lived for three months, they lived for another three months. but after the victory, we will all be traumatized in one way or another, children, this is a special story in general, how

will they endure it all and how will it be reflected later in their adult life. probably no one can say, but how can we as a nation get out of this, you know, our nation has such a wonderful quality , we rally around adversity, people help each other even in transport, i noticed it on the 20th, on monday, when i tried to get to work, people help each other . everyone stands and waits. the air alarm began to explode. yes, people looked at each other like that. yes, somewhere, someone there, somewhere, a child cried. people help, you see, we are united and that's why it 's a collective unity because you can share your troubles with people, it's also important to discuss

what mr. kozinchuk said then i have . so now i ask you to listen carefully to the answer kovalov is here as a political spectator in peaceful life ukrainians like to argue, well , that is, it is called otherwise on facebook, we will not start quarreling after the victory, political various vicissitudes who is for whom, panenko zinchuk, i saw your reaction, your word will be then, well, that is, eh p- paninina believes that we will all unite. i want to believe it, but i saw when we will unite now, according to ms. nina, the door also unites, you know, a different situation, really, absolutely, ukrainians are not fed with bread, let's argue, let's discuss . you know well, before the war, a classic case was when they proposed a state coat of arms and all ukrainians quarreled on facebook about the state coat of arms, then everyone suddenly became experts from kazakhstan, remember, well, this was all in the history of ukraine, and

there were thousands of such stories. but in any in an incomprehensible situation, the ukrainians have such a function hidden, any incomprehensible situations are hidden, we are starting to build zaporizhzhya sich, i can name you well, just remember the 24th, 25th, 26th of february, when i was already in my 112th brigade. we are forming a brigade. i i go out if it was near our assembly center, well , it was literally a concert by okeanu elsa, you see , there were 30,000 people, maybe more, who were ready to join the authoritarian defense, and next to that, people were driving, setting up field kitchens, and starting to cook food because it was necessary to cook for these enemies because at the gate other people dug trenches and built roadblocks and barriers. i say when the british journalists arrived with whom we spoke and they said, well, this is just something incredible, this is amazing. we have not seen anything like this anywhere else in the world

. who gave you order but there is no order, it is a national one, if you know such a psychological or something, the initiative and the main thing is not to silence this initiative, and this initiative can simply, i don’t know , move mountains, create something incredible. here is this here is this internal ukrainian initiative, which obviously allows us to survive in any situation. i am talking to these british journalists, i say, look, roadblocks are already being built, the humanitarian headquarters is already being deployed here, and against the background of all this, there was, for example, no red cross humanitarian camp in kyiv. or another international organization and british journalists say, you know, it will sound cynical, but in europe , everyone is already used to ukrainians picking themselves up in any difficult situation, and it was shown and revolution of dignity it was shown in 2014 the beginning of

russian aggression it showed full-scale russian aggression that ukrainians are really starting to self-organize maybe you know this i will already say it how is there candidate of political sciences historian what is it for a national curse that ukrainians are uniting in front of the firing pit but it is true unity will save us, mr. kozynchuk, i don’t know if the audience saw your reaction, so that i don’t interpret you wrong, watch eh well, as soon as there is more security, well, that is, ukrainians will feel everything safety went well, then we will return to our everyday activities and to the same famous uh gentle things. that is, we will tell you that you planted a cherry tree that casts a shadow on my garden . i want to be heard, and that's why i

say that your cherry tree is watering my garden, er, ukrainian, er, you're so simple. you expressed yourself in a cool way . of finalism the arguments just say that it is not enough for us to communicate just with the family, we are expanding our social ties and very much it is a bit boring but that's the way it is, that's what we're going to do and hmm i don't know i think that when we see each other again er, these disputes about er, as kovalev said, it means three times three times, there really was such a topic, so many of the military will smile and say, well, the whole campaign is a victory. what should they change, what should they be given, or why do they

address only the brothers in the national anthem, because it is sexism, uh, the girls also fight, that's why brothers and sisters have, well, they say, it became a lot, believe me, i wanted to ask all of you, we also heard the answer in the blitz that we have turned our pain into hatred and how constructive it is to feed ourselves with hatred and the desire for revenge how useful it is for ourselves because this hatred can eat away and you know us from the inside i think that the energy of anger and hatred is a very useful energy for a person who survived trauma for a person after surviving a trauma, anger allows you to free yourself, anger allows you to squeeze out the dough, what kind of dough does a person feel when there are many

circumstances pressing on him, injuries, some losses, yes, a person shrinks, shrinks, shrinks when she starts to get angry, she pushes it all away, she develops her borders to normal and recovers. and what do they say about high vibrations, positive thinking? listen, i think it's all nonsense, i can't understand different and all vibrations, they are useful precisely when they are appropriate for an adequate situation when you are attacked appropriately get angry adequately get angry adequately give an answer adequately hate eh enemies this is adequacy you understand accordingly assume that they perish or are more adequate things possible or it is possible to assume prosperity harmony and well-being progress growth it is possible to think about yourself and not about their decline e -e listen e-e in a situation when there

is a struggle, it is normal to think about the death of enemies yes and when we get through all this, when the war is over, then we will think about recovery and reconstruction and with other positive things, but now you need to read a decent one, you know, back in the 30s of the 20th century, ole wrote the text that has now become the anthem of the new army, we were born in a great hour, and there are such words, he fed us anger and rage at the enemies, just anger is an instinct self-preservation anger towards enemies is a guarantee of self-survival, and unfortunately it is, well, i will say it already as a candidate of political sciences, the previous ruling teams tried to impose some kind of story on us about the brotherly russian people, and this is a story about the brotherly russian russian people.

fraternal nations led to war, led now to a tragedy to the death of ukrainians, and therefore when it is clearly articulated that this is not a brother because a brother does not kill, it is cain, you understand, well, there was a story about two brothers about cain, and only cain can kill. that is, they are murderers, and when it is clearly articulated that these are murderers, that these are terrorists, uh, uh, and the people also have rage and anger - this is a sign of the instinct of self-preservation, in principle, the presence of such emotions, but in such a situation, an absolutely normal reaction to some kind of threat will be, well, three reactions, shut up a hundred feet and then you already, well, how much does the bean tell you or wait for you? well, it would be normal to dump here and there somewhere, somewhere in general, to dump everyone, well , biologically, but ethically, there is definitely no other option to beat

, well, that is, for this, so that we have this energy bay is like adrenal glands the legs emit adrenaline, that is, psychology is here for now, hello, biology, and we are piling oil on him, it is not normal and due to vibrations, as my ex said, the vibration itself is normal, these are the terms of the article, the sphere, everything else is stupid, they just did not prove one thing, you understand and everything else, what can i say, we can't be gentle warriors, oh, somehow i, oh, actions and we get angry. they are a little bit angry. it's not just that you have to do things like that, and the body helps us, that is, it secretes all these hormones, adrenaline, and let's name it, that

is, whether you want it or not, we have to get angry. the question is , when will it be ? victory and we will need some there is a time and a place to pour out the remnants of this anger , preferably not on one's own, and only then go with a normal exhale to gain resources and energy, mr. koznyanchuk, this is an important topic, the military who will return from the front, what should they do, the state, you see, is ready for that for them to return and behave normally - this transformation from military life took place, where everything seems clear and understandable, yes, there is an enemy, there are tasks, you are given them, you carry them out, a return to everyday life, which is, well, a little more complex and to rebuild back to civilian rails, so to speak, to civilian thinking. we don't want to touch it for the living. look, i'm

definitely not going to be a zagrophile and say that the state doesn't do anything there. at the moment, i can say. see, this is exclusively my subjective opinion or assessment that there is currently a lot cool specialists and currently there are a lot of cool methods er, well, that is, psychologists, there is no manager and currently there is no system that works, that is, we have the ministry of veterans affairs and god bless them, we have the ministry of social policy, yes, god bless them i but this everything does not solve the issue of a system that would offer an adequate restoration of a serviceman and their family members, i emphasize because, well, individually, we will not have a separate, separate wife, two love churches here with a cop, and uh, there is no such system at the moment, but um, it won’t work my treasonous message. now i will bring a little bit of victory. now there are very strong and active negotiations between the international organizations, and the party of the first

lady, olena zelenska, because she took it upon herself to carry this death and, well, experts, that is, now on the way something well, it's just being developed. well, it's very difficult in this lady, and the system itself, the system - it's very clear, well, there are a bunch of different actions in order for each soldier to have independence from whether he lives in lukyanivka in kyiv or lives in the village of verblyany, lviv region, so that each of them could undergo such a complex of measures, see not treatment, but restorative measures, where he or she will be treated with dignity and dignity and he can restore his functionality in accordance with peacetime, because killing in a dream it is much easier to learn than to love a woman conditionally

. now in the armed forces, it is clear that there are psychologists, they are in the staff, there are separate units of moral and psychological support, but it is also important to say that there are chaplains, and now the network of chaplains is actively developing, and very often these chaplains they also play the role of psychotherapists and psychoanalysts who help soldiers and the presence of a chaplain. well, i myself have seen it more than once in combat in combat units. it is decisive. chaplains motivate these even more. chaplains help boys to understand difficult situations. often there may not be a psychologist in some unit, but there may be a chaplain. emergency help is motivational. to overcome some fears is a very vivid example. my good friend from childhood, who is now a priest there, has become a military

chaplain . of his unit of the nation in the army there. unfortunately, there was a loss at one of the observation points, a soldier died. let's go to that observation point, because you can die there somewhere. mykhail, following his example, gathered his things, went to that observation point and spent the night in the morning, all the boys, he says, started to look, and there, father, you are alive, he is so alive. can i stay near you, i just called my mother mom says it's safer to sit next to father with him and he says another situation is coming, the commander says my father is from other observation posts, the guys are running to you, that's why this presence, what was the purpose of the priest in the armed forces, she is also now very important and it works with believers and with those who did not go to church before, because i heard from the military that everyone becomes a believer

under fire under fire, well, this is the cross itself, there are no atheists under fire and i will say during the defense of kyiv when we came, in particular, with the chaplain at the position, all the boys, believers, non -believers, all disassembled the crosses, all asked, er, prayers, icons, it also helps, it also strengthens, it also gives some hope, er, obviously, this is faith. it gives er, faith in victory, faith in immortality but one more thing important uh well, i'm just an officer of the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine, and in the territorial defense, you know, there is probably such a small luxury that well, as i like to say, this is the most popular type of forces of the armed forces of ukraine, because a huge number of people who have realized themselves in civilian in life, in particular, which psychologists, which psychotherapists mobilized, became soldiers, and now they are also in the ranks of territorial defense as

sagittarius, and they very often these psychotherapists, these psychologists help their brothers because they have knowledge, they know how to deal with it and this is obviously such a very such a moment that distinguishes the armed forces of ukraine from other types of forces in terms of territorial defense that there is a huge number of such people who have experience and have methods and tools how to do it and that is why it is possible to help them in this way let's talk about how to act to many of our civilians who, under rocket fire , very often find themselves in a situation where panic attacks occur, nervous disorders when neuroticism increases, rocket fire in kyiv large cities and other regional centers that were lucky in recent days contributed to the fact that panic attacks began again in many ukrainians, psychologists advise using several techniques to quickly master yourself, in particular, for this you can simply go to the wall and touch your shoulders

with your buttocks and heels, feeling them, switch your you can pay attention even to an ordinary stone, well, or try to search in a crowd of people in clothes of the same color, or use a technique that experts call five four three two one to determine for yourself five objects that you see focus on four sounds and three sensations on the body and also try to catch two smells and one taste this technique helps to bring yourself to consciousness when you feel a panic attack starting ms. such actions these are really simple things that save the situation when a person experiences a panic attack, but another simple thing saves the situation is the understanding that dying from a panic attack is very difficult. that is, it is almost impossible that is, it is not a disease, it is not a fatal disease, it is a situation when a person does not know what to do with it, if a person has a

plan, the probability that panic will not occur will be much smaller. that is, the more knowledgeable a person is, the more information they have, the less cat lady, the less anxiety and uh, the probability of panic , respectively, of the northern attack, accordingly decreases , and for 10 seconds, the final words of mr. andriy kovalev and then kozynchuk uh, you know uh, well, this does not only apply to the fact that russian aggression was believed to be in our lives, full-scale russian aggression broke in and deadly russian rockets, but the lives of many people have changed, many of those who had a peaceful civilian life have become military and their lives have definitely changed, i can say with my example that this life has changed and it will no longer be the same as before. a picture, as andrii said, i don’t know there to watch an episode of a tv series or even to watch something other than the usual

military picture, uh, call back, talk to my relatives, my brothers, who are now are on the front line, all this helps eh take yourself eh under control eh there won’t be enough time to come to your senses andrei, to win you have to become a winner for yourself be winners win every day laziness or on the contrary too much hard work and then you will see that we will win this bastard too we are already winners, you handsome men. thank you. thank you to everyone who participated in this conversation. on trunenko, psychologist andrii kovalev , press officer of the 112th brigade of territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine, and andriy kuzinchuk , a military psychologist, joined us via skype. thank you. keep calm and trust the power workers. they will quickly restore the power supply. donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia were and will be ukraine

, we will forget, we will see, we will retreat, we will not give up . will see only their own death in our eyes, ukrainian soldiers will retaliate for every tear of our mothers, they will take the enemy to hell, and comrades from the state emergency service, rescuers, firefighters pyrotechnics will help demining and dismantling rubble during the day and at night