we are becoming even clearer, more embittered and more confident in what we are doing because we are afraid, well, are they afraid there, is anyone afraid of where to go, we have to go somewhere and leave no, we must stand and together shoulder to shoulder to defend our country, mr. marchian, i asked you for a reason they said about this limit of their actions of our enemy or, after all, about nuclear weapons and said that this is not a bluff. in the end, what should be the reaction of the world in your opinion, because we heard different opinions of the american president . the head of eu diplomacy said one thing. jose boreli well declared that there will be no nuclear response, but the response will be military, and the statement of mr. macron, the president of france, was also strong enough. well , there will be no nuclear response. and what should it be, how should the world react? well, it is difficult to give recommendations or there own opinions to the world, as he should react

well, first of all, i would like to remind you that we are now hearing the statements of politicians and they are as restrained as possible and, um, that is, everyone is afraid to cross some line. although, on the other hand, we had statements from the prime minister of great britain, we had statements ex-chief generals of nato who say that the answer will be as harsh as possible, but here again you need to understand two simple points. well, in my opinion, first of all, any tactical use of nuclear weapons will not be able to radically change the military situation there, because, well, yes as it is happening now, there are possible changes. but as it is happening now, that is, there will not be any sharp critical changes. yes, it is possible that greater losses among the civilian population there are possible losses among the military forces, but it won't stop anything for a big account and and here is such a desperate one, you actually already know this as in a card game, the last trump and i can still

do that well, but this trump, well, you can talk about him, but i think that despite the fact that well , such specific people. let's say so, so as not to say abusive words, they are currently in power in the russian federation. but i think that it will end only blah. well, that is, it will end blah. of course, nothing will be used if they are used, of course, the reaction the world has to be as tough as possible, more than that. in my own opinion, world leaders should repeat this every day and clearly show their determination. and that the reaction will be extremely sharp. a short reply to ukraine, i promised anton a cheek, but despite this, we still have a guest in the studio who did not speak, and another skype very briefly, dear turncoats. do you see the difference between the opinion of a military man and the opinion of a politician?

i am interested in how many countries voted 141-143-150, they give us weapons. no, i am not interested in how many united ukraine and insists that ukraine has united the world. how many countries have united at the rammstein site that help us with weapons? an organization like the un has exhausted itself in my opinion. is the essence of its powers as it was before the second world war, the league of nations, even such an organization and like the european union . i'm following up, they united and give us weapons. i'm not interested in the statements of other politicians. i'm interested in what the minister of defense will say and what the secretary of defense of the united states of america will

do. fundamentally, germany, which was actually considered a pacifist and after the war, provided weapons to the warring countries, gave us weapons , the position of france, the position of italy, i remember their positions, how they changed dramatically, and they are ready to provide and are providing weapons, mr. shevchenko, your thoughts regarding the decisions made by european and international institutions in the last four days, the world has changed, ukraine has changed this world , we have reasons for optimism, but we must also remember that we are making these changes at a huge cost , at the cost of people's lives, at the cost of huge economic losses. the scale of which we are not even fully aware of and the decision and resolution of the un assembly and the peria and ramstein resolution are all signs of this huge very important change and i really think that when the nato defense ministers

come out of their meeting with the decision to provide ukraine with means of anti-air defense. these are the things that should inspire us and these are the most important things that we will definitely see implemented. as for everything else, i completely agree with the international organizations. but there are interesting things for us and in addition to the statistics about which service taras spoke about, the experts of the un with whom i spoke, they draw attention to another fact that for years russia did not receive so few votes for its position , and this is an important moment for us, and even angola about which was mentioned, which is voting for ukraine this time. these are important moments for us, they are unlikely to save the united nations by themselves, but this is the result of our work, this is the result of the courage of the ukrainian people, borel, who now he did not just say that the answer will be devastating, he said we we will destroy the russian army, if you decide to use nuclear weapons, we will destroy the russian army. this is not the same borel who, until february 24, was humiliated, went to moscow and tried to

come to an understanding with the russians there. but the most important thing is that i i think that this is a reaction to that country and those ukrainians who should have been seen, and for me the most important moment during all these days was what result we came out with on monday evening, when the country raised uah 300 million for the armed forces of ukraine, when the country reduced consumption by 25 percent of electricity this is the country you are proud of this is the country that moves you to tears and this is the country that cannot be defeated this is the courage this is the firmness it makes the west change its position before our eyes to change i think that well we live in a time where in karmic circles decrease - decrease narrows where everything accelerates but i think that these last four days are in many ways a turning point, it's a turning point week and it's the second time i have the honor to be here in your studio last time i mentioned a quote by churchill who said that we are now seeing the beginning

of the end, we were talking about the counter-offensive in the kharkiv region, but i would say that in recent days we are more precisely czech. we have no reason to relax, but there is reason to believe in victory, we will definitely invite you to our studio when it will be the end of the final victory without a word, but zhdanov, a military expert, is in direct contact with us. we only know that you have limited time, how long could the russian federation have been preparing such a missile attack, because many people say that they could not have planned all this a day after the fall of the crimean bridge, and do they have the resources to similar operations if there are resources, then when can we expect them actually massive missile attacks on

ukraine well, i think that the russian federation was preparing such an attack for several weeks at least why because the main missile storage facilities are very far away, mainly in the asian part of the russian federation the first and the second well, let's say the x-22 rockets, they need to be refueled with rocket fuel and this is not done in one day, so i think it will take several weeks. do you know when , most likely after eh somewhere in early september after the start of our counteroffensive in the kharkiv region, that's when the plan of such a large-scale revenge for ukraine was hatched, and they were collecting these missiles, and by the way, according to our intelligence, it was planned to be carried out on the second and third of october, but something went wrong with the missile the strike was

postponed to october 10, as for the possibility of a second strike, i think that there is such a possibility and it can happen. but again, not earlier than in a few weeks, that is, two er, one or two weeks is possible for a-a a- and the accumulation of forces the means and organization of this missile attack itself, in fact, after the rocket hit the center of kyiv, after lviv was without electricity, all the masks in the russian federation, their politicians and, in the end, a large part of society threw off no one talked about the mythical demilitarization , denazification, about the attacks on the military objects , they were frankly concerned. that's the main thing , they gave up this shameful word concern and they stopped let's say so, well , even er, even in their lies propaganda to talk about the fact that they are

worried about the civilian population there, they frankly started talking about the fact that it is a war and there is nothing wrong with the fact that ukrainian civilians are dying. what is my question? it is clear that after this the logic of the russian federation's activities and aggression may change. how do you think it will change, and if it changes, how will it become more openly terrorist because, well, in fact, they have already revealed all the cards, well, in fact, you answered your own question, they revealed all the cards, the only one, the only trump what still remains is this nuclear weapon, but we see the reaction of the west to the attempt only to the attempt to use it and so russia has shown that they will not count on losses among the civilian population, they don't care, the main thing is to achieve the goal, and they are doing it today er, the main

main main goal is to make the critical infrastructure why because they cannot overcome us on the battlefield, the army loses, that's why they er, well, they apply such and such measures as for the reaction er, the event, they just understood i think that the same mr. macron or mr. something, after looking at the explosions in the center of kyiv or in other cities, if they imagined that such explosions could also happen in the center of paris or in the center of berlin, then they understand what to do next and to express concern once again. well, there is no point. you either have to join this struggle or you have to go and surrender to the russian federation, which i understand they don’t want to do, and that’s about belarus and the use of their military potential, uh, well, we have information

about the fact that there is movement of certain and certain weapons and some military units or has something changed in this matter with belarus, nothing has changed in my opinion, lukashenka continues to play the same show that he started playing. on february 24, namely, he is preparing for war, but he is not yet ready, and this process is evidenced by the fact that he is actively giving away all military supplies. well, the one who is preparing for war does not give ammunition to the equipment in echelons, hundreds of units, and does not allow the mobilization of the forest to be washed away. why, because? then the bay apart from the regular army, there are no more reserves left, so i think that he will make political statements, he will play along with putin in the context that putin himself forces him to do, but he

is doing everything to make his army not ready for war as much as possible. thank you, no we will take up a lot of your time oleg zhdanov military expert about the reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine e p lapin i have a question for you winter is coming and well and what will be these coming days what are your forecasts what to expect how do you see the general development of events further because it's interesting for people to hear it, first of all, from the military, well, you know, colleagues were speaking here, i kept thinking that it would be my turn because that 's what to begin. what can i say, and i remembered the picture that is now circulating on social networks, where a ukrainian soldier bowed his head before god and says sorry, no lord, if a person or sum answers that it is not a person, it is an evil stupid creature, go higher, these evil stupid creatures are trying to bring to its knees a country with a population of 40 million and which, in principle, was even before the beginning of all these hot events

it means february to say that we will act against well, because for me personally i called and for me there is no earth over there by god yes that is, well, i have nowhere to look if he has not been relocated anywhere in space that's right, that is, we have that idiot a neighbor and he should be golden , tall, tall, that fence that sooner or later will be filled with concrete, here we go, here it is, and it will be like this, because sooner or later everything will be even, this parade of the republic, we will all see that swan lake on the russian on tv channels where they will say that vladimir putin is now in a state of health or in some way it is not important that one vladimir will be taken out of the mausoleum, maybe another vladimir will be brought into that mausoleum, but it will happen, the question is winter or not winter, well, that is the question . what my colleagues said is a question for our state, it is for our those in power should prepare to have a double supply of pumps, generators, or

something else, it should not rest only on the shoulders of ukrainians. and here, colleagues from the homeland said that the europeans promise to help us there. where is the help, you know, if you regard this war as a struggle for our independence, then i apologize. and what else do the europeans owe? we will owe something at a time when we produce asphalt of the wrong caliber, which does not fit into my barrel. why should i buy from the europeans ? we also have to think with our own eyes. what should we do to allocate billions to the freedom tv channel or to manufacture the caliber that i need for weapons, and here my colleagues, while those who have gone through the war understand what it is like to be hungry for ammunition in a war. and i remember it in april in may, i remember it very well. it is now to thank god. are they helping us because they consider that today we will stand not only for our independence, but for the independence of this civilized world from that stupid evil creature called the russian people, but at the same time those

the europeans themselves accept this russian people. and i apologize. and who will restore order in that russia? i do not have the right to restore order in russia , to create democracy for them, and you do not have the right, and european partners do not have the right to restore order therefore, there is nothing for russia to accept them, let them go and all this will be digested by the distressed, they must all be outcasts in the entire civilized world until they regenerate their own country, russia, and where there will be a non-collective putin or personally putin for me. it makes no difference at all, because they sat and talked to the tv with general approval and said that he was doing everything right, and today they are caught in the european union, after that they will be in the european union using the european world should not allow human rights to demand a special status for the russian language or any other problems like this. and the question is whether to provide us with help or not

. for the word price, yes, values ​​and price are different things, we remember how nord stream 2 was built, we said that this is politics, this is not economics, but frau merkel said no, no, this is economics, this is not politics. that they managed to do it today, that is, they came today, they came, they saw, they saw, that is why today i believe that a lot of them are practicing that god in front of their citizens, not even in front of us, because you know. yesterday is like my sarah tomorrow , what am i leading all this

to ? the united states voting in the organization of the united nations regarding the rights of the people violates human rights in china and the chinese the same country which is the same as america is the guarantor of the budapest memorandum and what did china do in this context for ukraine well america gives weapons america helps us i would be interested also find out maybe i just don't know something, maybe it's written somewhere. diplomats are needed. maybe i know somewhere, maybe in the backyard of history, someone heard something about it, but i haven't heard anything yet. of course, they will live in their own interests, and that's first and foremost they will think for themselves, but they are the same guarantors. therefore, we need to separate ourselves, or we are with the beautiful and smart ones, or we continue to play splits . now the question is winter, i can say to the audience

of our viewers, you understand this for sure, we are stocking up on power banks well , who lives in apartment buildings? put it so that you can charge the phone twice, but if you make a connection, i know how the towers of kyivstar mts and life are not there and that's all and what's next on the frontline yes well, that's why we stock up - that's one thing and we're preparing our air defense air defense, we have our own good programs that are frozen, including air defense programs, yes, come on, i understand that. and why are we going to spend money today on the same thing? there is artillery fire, and no, we must continue our actions because well, if we do not do this, today we have a unique chance to

cleanse ourselves from the russian world, and thank god physically that there is an opportunity to physically destroy collaborators in the occupied territory. but you see what is happening with as collaborators here in this territory, lawyers are included, prosecutors are included, they are released on bail, and then we will catch them again. opoblok 3 ago in this situation we have to start with this ourselves first of all or sign up for warm things. well, everyone has them. well, what can i say sign up, don't panic. and here, no one is panicking, so in this situation, we just have to be stable and united as you said, they turned off the circuit breakers and saved 25% of the electricity and thank god we just need to be together i can't engage in politics today i said we will engage in politics after the war today we must be united so we can remind

you, including those who are the helmsman of the government today, about the fact that we need to pay attention to the left and look to the right. but nevertheless, we should all be united, support each other everywhere, you know. so when it arrived in dnipro and kyiv sent a certain number of buses to dnipro, this is it well, what does this mean? what does it mean about unity? east and west have become united in ukraine, and this is a unique chance for us, the main thing is not to screw up this country and not screw up this chance because the war will end, the parade of republics in russia will be putin's mausoleum or sooner or later they will be demolished somewhere there, we just have to hold out and it is better for us to hold out near there, it is not so good, tomorrow they will take it down and the second one will be brought in, i am not very upset with mr. pavlyuk i would like to say that i did not agree with mr. lapin, almost 99% absolutely support everything it was correctly said and

mr. olegovych said before that that we think that the world revolves around ukraine, nothing like that. we should really thank our partners, if it were not for them, it is not known where the front would now be in western ukraine or in the east. today we have this first question. the second question we must understand that today ukraine has become one of the rooks of players, the same as other countries, we have risen to a very high, not very high level, and how would we treat the current president today, and in fact his role is the same i support a certain number of paws, why did the war end, the politicians will discuss with each other again before the elections. we need to understand one more thing that what was voted is not voted the main thing is the result we have the result and the main countries i don't want to

offend anyone there are small countries and big countries there are richer poorer more powerful but the main players at the political level of the world they are practically with us yes china is also powerful big, but it is not today, how high are the investments of the united states of america or the same england with canada and european countries like germany or france and we must understand one more thing, the world is divided by the war in ukraine divides the world today, these big countries, let's say the same china or turkey, we wonder why azerbaijan is there, we have a tutor because i know for sure the leaders of turkey there, i know who we will not talk about now, for sure something will be discussed and you will say that this is what we need to do today because in the future we are already about they once said on your program that the world will be divided and russia will probably no longer be the player it was before today, before the war with ukraine, china will be a connecting camera , and turkey will be, and that is why we are people today

we must understand where the war is and what they said, whether they will shoot, they will absolutely fire, we have calmed down a little because the front has moved further, our glorious soldiers are driving the evil from ukraine little by little, because every day we in the rear here will say that we have calmed down a little since the arrivals there was nothing everything is fine, no, nothing is fine, the war is going on, and what was said about local self-government of local self-government bodies not only in lviv, but in particular throughout ukraine, and we must definitely think and relaxed. well, it will be winter, it will be a hard winter, as one of the ministers of our government said on some broadcasts recently, when you asked: what will happen to the heating? well, it will be a hard winter. gas will be expensive. yes, we know. dear mr. minister, the minister will offer an alternative for the people. what should the state do? is it possible to help those people today? today, of course, people will save themselves, each and every one of them, how can they buy everything there, and those peasants

will do everything else, but the state must, i mean in the person of the relevant ministers, must do something to help and advise those people how to survive, this is how it should be. i say it again, this does not mean that we are criticizing anyone, we are just really saying that mr. ministers, mr. officials, you receive a state salary from our citizens, they do not pay taxes, think whatever please work, work off that money, work off without calling names, but work because we you will understand that there is a war going on, i emphasize once again that the country is at war and we should not relax and what the diplomats said here they don't work well i would still like to protect our colleagues to the truth they work very hard and very seriously andrei also confirm my words that everything that can be done is being done not everything is so simple to be honest we cannot understand that the whole world does not support us that is the truth life, but

let's say it once again, where our diplomats have worked, they support us positively and if someone there says that they are tired of us, well, it's not true, there is no such fatigue, of course i want them to want a truce, they want peace and what the minister of defense of america somewhere said something wrong, we also have to understand that they also want peace as soon as possible, but we remember what they said, what viber said that they will never force ukraine to go to such a peace, what is there, someone only ukraine wants to determine what kind of peace to sign, what kind of peace agreements or such or such, only ukraine and the ukrainian people, of course, everything is brief, it is important that what happened immediately after monday, after the firing on tuesday, these are two appeals by zelenskyi and the head of the office of president yermak, what is needed first

of all for our country now is air defense means, let's listen to the first president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi . the terrorist has no chance left, the first point defense support air shield for ukraine is part of the security guarantee which is an element of our formula for peace when ukraine will receive a sufficient number of modern and effective air defense systems, a key element of russian terror, missile strikes will cease to work, the second point - the territorial integrity of ukraine - this is also an element of our peace formula and it is logically combined with the third point with punishment, which is an integral element of any peace formula. and

right away, what is yarmak about? so, uh, we already gave it to the head of the pentagon, yarmak, what the next rammstein said, for us it was historic, a decision was made to close the ukrainian strengthening the air defense system of ukraine for what we need, we are constantly in dialogue with our allies, the head of the president's office, andriy yarmak, mr. antonyshchak , a question for you. nato is ready to close the sky, we are ready, er, ourselves. only give weapons. perhaps , including, as ivan labin said, with the improvement of what we have, what developments we have, how far we are from this closing the sky, and what we need for this, you know, after the last petrovich senyuk, i would be in a vision, what sayings, do you remember this wall, so it was built by the last

petrovich, people, it is clear that it really must be some kind of wall, but ihor lapin and i went then, we saw that it was actually built quite good the notification system in case of illegal crossing of the border and even the israeli special services and border guards who came took it as an example , so we will not be able to have our viewers understand that we cover the sky like a dome someone gave an example the israeli iron dome for ukraine, it is worthless for one simple reason, it can work for mlrs, that is, for short-range missiles 40-50, a maximum of 100 km how far is it from palestine to the capital there to and that's what there is to other cities, well

, there are a few hundreds of kilometers and so further , as for closing the sky, we will not be able to completely close it, but key cities can be covered with certain systems, and here is the first system that was provided, it is the iris system, it is a german system that can actually close kyiv, that is, there it is catches 24 targets at the same time and leads them, but i like it better. i looked at the tactical and technical data and i don't remember the names that are in service, which the president of ukraine asked for in france and in italy, they are made, they are made in