ukrainian cinema, a game movie based on the motives of the ukrainian heroic epic, we have baidy vyshnevetskyi, a georgian vityaz in the skin of a tiger, but this is a game movie, and if we do not cross this line that separates us from playing, then if we do not play around, then everything will be just perfect, because when in russia, russia is an example of a country in which national mythology has crossed the line from literature to sculpture in the broadest sense, it has crossed over into politics, and this has led russia to the state in which it is now in ukraine in no way you can go this way, culture should remain culture, and politics should be based on other things as they were in reality and not as they were in the vyshnevetskyi bath pavlo volodymyra,

you absolutely agree. of pamphylians among the cossacks 28 it is obvious that there will always be those who are destroyers of myths, yes, that is why there is obviously a question of culture, there is a question of mass culture, there is a question of creating various cultural projects, including fantasy, but there is a question of historical knowledge, and it is obvious that these two things can coexist, they can inspire each other, but they can not replace each other and create some kind of twisted , and to culture and to and to and to science well, he

agrees. mr. serhiy mentioned america from the scandinavian gods, uh, i can’t, i can’t help but return to this, because on the one hand, neil gaiman with american gods and this heroic epic yes, grasshoppers, comics, salts, and i think so what, well, in ukraine, i don’t really know, but it seems that there is already experience in creating comics about cossacks, i could be wrong, but it’s not so important how current you are as carriers of such a point of view, which does not need to be absolutely rational, absolutely reasonable, and that there is no need to cross the line like that myth not to bring it to life because i agree, even honestly, they are a little bit of what is called because when, already somewhere in the second month of a full-scale war, when i was asked and what and what happened to the russians suddenly, i said almost the same thing, i said that they believed so their mantra that they are all the main ones here,

invincible, that, well, i won't say it's a verb, but you know that they did everything to themselves. and as they say in lviv, as they say, something was going on, more dancing was taking place, when he saw a cow, in the end, do you see any disturbing things of today's modernity and such a transfer of excess well, no, everything is fine in ukraine, yes, not everything is fine in ukraine, if everything was fine in ukraine, we wouldn't be sitting here and we wouldn't discuss it ukraine has other problems, but even i can say that quite the opposite because the current uh, what is the political power, what is it, let's say, the cultural direction is led by people who do not understand very well how it should function in modern culture and in politics, and therefore there are other problems, for example, uh, the renaissance of superfluous russian, and even more so, soviet

heritage here is the problem around bulgakov and catherine ii in odesa, it exists, it exists, it will be painful and we have to fight it, and the problem is that we in ukraine will play around and believe in ukrainian national myths beyond the norm, this is not the problem that is worth it now speaking is more of a problem because we don't, er, we don't know that way. that is, we are ready to continue using yuzets, those old stamps from the soviet era, because it's convenient, it was heard somewhere, and so on, and not delving beyond what we already know, er it is usual and that's why we delve into those searches of ukrainian historians who very often disagree with those stereotypes, but we don't want to, sometimes it complicates the picture and so on , so there is rather a problem in

our there is a cultural and informational environment that they are not always ready to go deeper to take the information accumulated by historians and present that society, that is, what is the name of the deputy head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, and what does the institute itself do in order for it to be ukrainian? of national memory is just trying to combine the efforts of scientists and historians, of course, in previous years, we paid most of our attention to overcoming the legacy of the totalitarian regime, so these processes which today we call decommunization and that's why we needed to break those stereotypes that were planted about those

times about those periods and in general ukrainian society in principle overcame this dependence, we have there really are some stories related rather not to the communist but to the russian heritage and obviously now we are starting, well, we are more and more eh we are starting to work in the field of overcoming the heritage of russification and this policy of russification which was carried out here and the russian empire and the soviet union in order for those parts of ukrainian history that were silenced and marginalized to become more active . yes, here we have various different forms of ... er, well, dedicated to 1920, a comedian from previous years there produced board games, well, but again, more than 20

centuries, er, two years ago, we released such a series of animated films about precisely the history of the southern pro- about the early history of that place southern and eastern ukraine, that is, well, we are trying to offer as soon as possible to present to the ukrainian there, we will take an environment, an information environment, various samples of products that you can do, this is how you can do it, it is possible, and this and this what am i going to buy? well, what is it? it was done with your participation. i will not do advertising. i'm sorry, but i'm taking our products. it's peaceful. all of our products are in my possession because there is a central body of executive power. these products are created by us. they are. -e as social possessions and in electronic form, you can download us on the e-e website absolutely free, that is, i

will take the opportunity that it is still possible to advertise like this. here are our viewers who are watching now. i emphasize once again. go to the website of the ukrainian institute of e-e national memory and please find everything useful and interesting there, there is a lot of it. and tell me, please, if we have already touched on this topic about even board games and comics, then in what way is it necessary or not necessary to inculcate the idea of ​​cossacks, the idea of ​​freedom of some kind right, probably in the right bottle, such an idea of ​​freedom in educational processes in order to get the exit, as you say, it is very important, absolutely everything depends on the goal. to replicate it constantly, how

can it be done with the help of some cossacks, uh, in ukraine, since the age of 10, yes, for more than 10 years, such a student youth game jura has been developing. so, where uh, uh, children work well, they are engaged in playing, just on the basis of cossack traditions, it is, in principle, one of the good examples, and we saw how these russians , from their exhibitions that they did even after the invasion, from the materials that they admired and here they demonstrated as examples of nazi education, jura's t-shirts, other materials for this game, that is, in principle, this idea of ​​cossack education. it is present in our educational and educational process, it develops here, obviously, absolutely everything is possible, all ways

yes, yes, yes, i am the only one now thinking about whether we have forgotten about our defenders and the defender. and in this sense, i would like us to definitely honor their achievements and what they do and their achievements and their sacrifices and glory i would like to ask the heroes of the defenders and the defenders what is known by modern historians about the role of women, because we know from school that on sich women were not allowed, of course, only inside the fortress itself, but around them they could, it was actually eh in no way emphasized any er well, i don't i know the misogyny of ukrainian society because zaporizhzhya zaporizhzhya sich this was such a typical male union, the existence of which has been confirmed for the archaic era in ancient greece there in the eighth

to the seventh century bc and which is actually preserved in some places to this day at least religions other other options are chivalric knightly red, that is, at all times, in all nations, there were such closed environments for men, even where the games of statehood are the classic olympic games. well, i already spoke about the archaeological a smoker, even where there was no state and empire, the indians of north america had special men's houses, but there were also women's associations, women's hours ago, everything is normal here, this is such a male union, a knightly brotherhood, where women were not allowed due to safety reasons on the other hand, sich that in the broad sense that especially the ukrainian city cossacks and the registry this is an absolutely normal society given by a woman where the economy is run, including by a woman, and how

is the situation like that well, from a military point of view, it is difficult eh on the one hand, constant military clashes with enemies , on the other hand, not very friendly government, at least in the first century and a half, the role of women was extremely elevated in such conditions throughout the great front from the balkans and the caspians, in all such places, well, at such points of nodal intersection, a woman had much more freedom, a woman had er, more formal rights, she could inherit - if in such a traditional society as a whole, property could be inherited only by the upper classes among women and sometimes merchants, then inheritance by women on frontiers, it was absolutely the norm, of course, and there was a greater danger because of that. we meet women who know how to use weapons, eh, well, defense

of bush, eh, which got into the play of the novel by mykhailo starytskyi, where sotnikova is either a daughter or a woman right there sources differ, but the fact remains that someone from his family leads the ukrainians after his death. if we cross the ocean and in 200 years we will see women in the wild west who know how to use revolvers , that is ukrainian womanhood if we look across optics cossacks this is obviously a freer er and more active population than the women of any stable continental empire where there is not all that we er last week seems to have talked in this studio about such an interesting thing as the future of security architecture and one of the conversations and

interlocutors volodymyr fesenko expressed a very interesting thing, we talked about the un about the role of this organization, especially at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, it somehow explored itself in one word and began to, well, not prophesy or forecast, rather fantasize about the fact that who would what structures could serve for the security of the world regional in the future, and mr. fesenko expressed a very interesting opinion that if the un as an organization maybe reformed and so on, it is such an arbiter, then the world may lack a world police and that part who knows , ukrainians could also become such a world police force, ukrainian military, putting this opinion , looking at it everywhere through the prism of cossacks, we know

that the cossacks and you yourselves talked about it today served at one time under various political forces, just as you think, could ukrainians who will go through the war, and i am sure will go through with victory in the future, relying in a certain way on the cossack traditions, serve as such a world police, let's fantasize, this is just a fantasy, well, in history there was one gendarmerie, yes, empire gendarmerie. yes, russia, after the napoleonic wars, took upon itself the desire to suppress revolutions, and in 1848, it joined the suppression of the revolution for the first time. to the same hungary yes, then to hungary she once again suppressed the er revolution well, they finished but

she also went down in history as er with a very unattractive reputation . that is, more likely, the question is not about the need for the existence of a world police, but about the fact that all states have the opportunity to defend themselves to the fullest extent, and when there is no there will be ideologies that , er, are propagating- propagating their supremacy and their own some exclusive rights on on on on on someone else as we have today with such a reanimation of such an ideology in e-e russia, obviously there will be no need for the e-e police, but in v-e always under

such conditions the best precaution is the free is a free armed society that is ready to oppose it with an external body of sense and where the cossacks can serve like this in ukraine, that is, i show that the ukrainian people have historically been armed and in the 16th century the ukrainians actually got the name, it seems, the year of the lasota to the austrian traveler i called them that way, i may be wrong, but somewhere someone once said that ukrainians are a people of the army, and when they start to prove to us that ukrainians are immature for personal weapons, that ukrainians do not have enough rivets to handle them, then no, i will say that it is not true that 300 defense for 300 years, this right was not contested by anyone, according to the ukrainian e-e layers , it is obvious that the peasants had weapons, but the peasants could not have weapons anywhere in the world, and for the

cossacks, weapons were a natural extension of their limbs and only totalitarian empire in the soviet union, the russian soviet deprived it of this right, i do not see any uh-uh obstacles to restore the general general armament of the ukrainian people and therefore the world policeman. i think that it would not even be necessary to agree that enough of the ukrainians will be peacekeepers on the territory of northern europe further north and a little more east, so i understand correctly. well, there ’s nothing further east than that. that’s where i am. the green wedge is there. alaska begins. yes, it’s exactly like how plucking is very unlikely to be found, really. lost their roots and we, well, there is nothing to catch there, as they say, so here rather, the question may be about the restoration of their cossack identity

, and in those territories, because it is obvious, even well, since the 18th century, from kindrat there was a war, human cossacks were actually forming their own identity, which is different from muscovite, and this confrontation, the confrontation of those two parts, it has always been, and so have other cossacks - it is, after all, its own special a special sphere and in the same russian empire obviously on today's question is how will all internal processes develop in the kuban and on the don and other regions of russia, they are interesting. well, i wouldn't say that they are so promising. yes, but it is worth working on these processes in ukraine in some way tangentially, either we will lead this process or we will observe its consequences, that is, it will continue to develop without us, so

i think that finally we just need to grow up to be observers and at least once take fate into our own hands, and speaking of the green wedge, if you have already mentioned very often, the first thing that happens if you drive the green wedge in google is the first thing that goes to wikipedia and so on, and the first thing that a person can read is that someone was moved there in the 19th century, so it means that the russian imperial the power of the ukrainians in order to know how to develop the land and hold it for reformation, and when it happens, there will be some references to russian historians, they say, oh , that means fire, i mean exactly here. when it appeared and in whom exactly this division into cossacks and buckwheat appeared, because even while preparing for this conversation,

i found an interesting fact that the cossacks . and there are some huts there for defense, just in case, suddenly someone will attack. did someone do this deliberately, dividing ukrainian society, this means that we have a cossack, and this is a garden for me, reptilians , do you think so? well, it is pointless to look for some evil genius who took and divided the ukrainians, they were divided because in any pre-modern society, people with weapons are somewhat inferior to people without weapons and well, i would not like to call it special racism - this is just such a state of affairs when the elites are armed elites, the

aristocracy the knighthood looks down on the peasants from above and it is obvious that the buckwheat reaper is not the one who knows how to sow buckwheat, but the one who does nothing but sow buckwheat , you understand, yes, and here there was this problem that i was talking about, a certain tension in the relations between city-dwelling between the cossacks and the zaporozhians, and even more so the registered cossacks and the zaporozhians, and because over the thresholds of the sich there, after all, this spirit of the free woman exceeded the building state-building traditions, that 's where they could tell one of their comrades that he was afraid that is, he got married, started a farm, in their understanding it was something like an insult, although it is obvious that any cossack who lived there under chigyrin and who had a wife, even if bohdan khmelnytskyi

did not accept it that way, and he was married three times, he did not accept it would this be in the sense that he has a wife, a farm, and a farm in appearance, although it is obvious that he would not give such a word just like that, so yes, there was such a problem, one should, turning to the question of how it is, tell children like this and tell that all over the world and the armed elite that the samurai of japan in samurai in japan could right- had the right to kill himself to kill any peasant just in order to test the sharpness of his time and he for that is fine there he is someone else's my understanding and this one will not be punished for him and after that say what's there ukrainians scolded each other with buckwheat seeds, this is somehow not serious at all, but the main thing is, on the other hand , the same buckwheat peasants also showed contempt for the cossacks. they are not able

to give themselves, they do not have to give themselves advice. gentlemen, yes, this is also this, this is poor. please tell some historians as intelligent people, will we not have the same problem in ukrainian society or do we not already have it now, i said this is a problem for modern societies after modernization takes place after industry appears. the majority of the population moves to cities and disappears. this social stratum that has weapons, so this problem disappears by itself, now it is obvious that there will be people who went through the war with weapons in their hands with one experience , people who went through the war without weapons in their hands with different experience, but it is not the same as the difference between samurai and peasants. well, it can be uh, all other problems will exist, but not this one. well, for example, well , if so, let's continue the logic when people of different uh differently skeptical of representatives of other spheres

yes well we can have what, for example, today it experts are skeptical like that i don't think the rest are not considered worthy to talk about how much they do n't no don't understand in computers yes that is , how was the story itself, uh, was there, well, in er, pre-modern time is the only one. well, there may be a problem , they were just a code, but everything is the same, but in the 19th, at the end of the 18th and 19th centuries, the russian empire, which occupied these territories tried to manifest themselves in a form to consolidate so and as a result uh-uh-uh the ukrainian cossacks found themselves in a situation where they had to defend their uh-uh their right to their state and the peasants began to fix it like that, that is, here the problem turned awkwardly into uh-uh the attitude of different

social states and in that people were losing their freedom and this was a problem and a b uh-uh and here uh-uh here there is about in this there is also this hmm this is in opposition not opposition but uh-uh when different social status and opportunities were established -e different parts of the population in ukraine well, yes but fortunately, it is true to modernity to modern society. and gentlemen, i thank you very much for this conversation. i did not expect that it would be so interesting, and of course there was more of a process here, which means enlighten the host, but i am very happy about it. well, the main thing, of course, is that we do not forget that today's program was primarily dedicated not so much even to the cossacks as to the modern defenders and defenders, whom of course we honor, whom we wish

victory and support. i am sure and convinced that there would not be today's gentle people. well, maybe there would be others, and it is very beautiful that in ukrainian society, in ukrainian culture and in civilization, i will even say insults, don't scold like historians, there is such a concept as a cossack, and this is beautiful. glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, see you soon thank you again thank you since the cossack times under the cossack christ we protect our native land we fight for truth and will we believe in our victory happy defender of ukraine day donetsk luhansk kherson

zaporizhzhia were and will be ukraine we will forget we will see, we will not retreat, we will not give up, maybe the guns and the tank will be raked again with me, the wheat will go to mother, when the sons will go to war , someone will give a sweet kiss in the end, and someone will wave a tear , and maybe someone will lose faith and

strength, saving their life, but not me, how to send i will not stop, no matter how much it hurts. for our dear and beloved land, i am happy to accept them all: the border of freedom, the border of dignity, the border of humanity, the border of indomitability , the border of victory. the rules of a warm country, a high-rise building

, get together with your neighbors, inspect the house, attract specialists for insulation, prepare batteries, repair and adjust windows and doors, check the wiring, take care of a warm room and personal heating devices, take care of those who are more difficult to develop an action plan in an extreme situation, discuss the need for a backup generator, equip a room for common heating, let's beat the winter together