there is no urban infrastructure as such, water , light, electricity, and so on, all of our incomes, what are they, are directed to defense and security and to the minimum social expenses, respectively, compensation for housing is possible at the expense of two sources, papa, the first start is the source of what olena shulyak said about nationalization of russian not only in ukraine but in general all over the world, but it is necessary to understand that apart from showing the nationalization of the assets of russia's counter-banking, everything else - this is a long-term perspective, that is, the transformation not into money takes time relative to the nationalization of the assets of the central bank of russia, this is an issue that must be agreed upon first of all in the united states and accordingly they must adopt

the appropriate legislation . called direct recovery from our western partners, about which we also discuss with them the benefits for them to start this process if, but it must be understood that in the first and second cases, the recovery program can be carried out en masse to work as soon as possible from the spring of next year earlier, it is technically and financially impossible. it is necessary to talk about the fact that our foreign partners are most actively allocating real funds to meet the needs of the residents of the destroyed ukrainian cities. well, i can talk about what i know. and with whom i communicate directly, there are three countries that are more active, well, in negotiations, for example, in meetings with me, it is definitely poland, and there we talk about, including,

party support along the party line. great britain, the united states, these are the three countries on which we can now fully rely on their support, all the others, or they do not fully have, shall we say, the desire in accordance with their budget process, or they do not have enough funds for support. well, after all, let's realistically assess the situation if the baltic countries are possible and have a desire to support ukraine, but their budgets are not sufficient for this, thank you, mr. olezh oleg dunda, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada's committee on organization the state authorities of local self-government of regional development and urban planning the head of the sub-committee of the sub- committee on construction and design one

mr. mykhailo we congratulate you and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes , i congratulate you and with the holidays three more holidays very much together, what will we surely start with energy within our country energy now it is completely connected with the uneasy situation after the latest missile attacks on the russian federation and the attack on the power system, we managed to fix it, as we understand it, on a temporary basis, the most important thing is providing ukrainian consumers directly with the benefits of civilization, but there is still a lot of work to be done on the restoration and, you know, the fundamental restoration of everything that was destroyed. ukrenergo, meanwhile , as of today, refuses emergency shutdowns, and this is due in particular to the fact that ukrainians were polite, says ukrenergo, and saved in those hours when them about it, but our

power engineers worked very efficiently and quickly, and they were able to restore everything so that the energy supply was restored, but to what extent this situation has become, mr. mykhailo. well, it can hardly be taken as permanent, because we do not know what other damage will be caused by attempts to strike and the consequences on the objects of e-e critical infrastructure will not only be attributed to the electric power company, because the statement of the electric power company so this corresponds to the real the state of affairs and this means that the energy system had a sufficient margin of stability and that such a short period of time and that's it. well, it's difficult to judge, let us not be reassured by these data that the russians have fewer and fewer missiles and they have er-e big the number of iranian-made drones that

can cause more trouble with them than cruise or ballistic missiles there, such as the caliber or iskander that we use in russia, er, so er, optimism er, ukrenergo completely understood and is correct, but well , the winter period has not yet begun, and p mykhailo what are the possible bad scenarios, because we understand that we do not want to scare the population well, but we understand that we are not just a powerful and insidious enemy fighting against us, but an enemy deprived , so to speak, of a touch of this or that civilization these are all noted, but it does its own thing to us and we have to calculate the so-called bad scenarios. well, in fact, they are calculated er and from the operators there, respectively, let's say ukrenergo, which operator

er, our energy association of the energy system there , or let's say a-a operator of the gas transportation system along the gts is another matter that of course, such scenarios should not be made public, well, one can fully understand what russia was trying to achieve with the strikes on october 10. but again, i would not agree to everything until the strikes on october 10, it just became resonant because this attack was massed for 83-4 rockets, missile wastes are given, but let's remember on june 25-26 there were also 52 launches and also objects of energy infrastructure because you are in the affected zone and so on, or september 11 on september 11, the attack on kharkivska 35, if, in this plan, systematic enough systemic actions are carried out with the

aim of blackout of the unified system of ukraine, that is, the disintegration of the energy system as an integral whole into various such islands, then of course i am afraid the situation would be, to put it mildly, so very badly, because then it would not have been possible to restore the power supply in a few hours or within a day. in the case of hostilities of one country about damage to critical infrastructure of another country, in this case the power sector.

well, as we can see, it did not happen as expected, somewhere in the kremlin, it will happen, but it is necessary to understand that the enemy will try anything to implement this scenario in the future, it was no accident that they drank amber, for example, because not only because there, before, amber worked in the regime of an energy island, and if it was such a main main direction of electricity export, it was the same now, but here the enemy is trying to deprive us of those technical possibilities from the point of view of electricity flows, that is, not when we export, we earn money, but when, for example, we lose the confidence to import from the countries of the european union, because we are just at the beginning of the russian the invasion carried out appropriate tests and the

connection of our energy system with the european one took place, and this is very important in the context of increasing the stability of our energy system in this period. and of course the enemy is trying to deprive us of such technical capabilities. there are e-e power transmission lines in other directions, it is another matter that we are in a position to use them as much as possible, but here it should be noted that, in fact, purely from from a technical point of view, the possibilities are sufficient and this will ensure a certain maneuverability, but another thing is that i have already said more than once that the question of a successful application is more or less successful. but nevertheless, in the winter season, this is a question not

only for energy it's like a problem uh now everyone is talking about it uh the problem of creating a reliable uh reliable such an umbrella against ours i.e. it is necessary to increase the number of uh our uh society with an umbrella you can cover all our critical infrastructure no matter how much we pack air defense systems, let those irises send not one, but ten there or 20. well, accordingly, as far as i understand, it would still hardly be possible to ensure the safety of all the proper energy facilities. well, of course 100%, well, if you take this massive strike on the tenth

day, then the statistics are actually known for 83 launches of them. 40 41 it seems that the arrival has taken place that is, half of it is practically uh, but i propose that the issue of the sky and its security, and therefore the protection of letters of everything located on the territory of our state, should be left to the relevant departments , and in particular to the ministry of defense, to our partners who have already signaled that they will strengthen our air defense, we carefully let's follow the words and the years, mr. mykhailo, i have several important questions for you, first of all, britain and canada will help the hebrews to support ukrenergo oil and gas companies in wartime it's about the fact that canada signed the first guarantee for 36 1/2 million euros together with other countries to support a loan of 300 million

euros for naftogaz and to support the critically important purchase of gas for ukraine before the onset of cold weather. that is, we understand that partners will invest and here, how large-scale the question is, we are not touching it yet. but work is being done in this direction, we also understand the energy challenges and not only in our country. but also on the continent as a whole, there is news based on the results of the meeting between putin and erdogan in in astana, the president of turkey, rezhektor and perdoğan, instructed the ministry of energy and natural resources to work out the steps for the creation of the gas hub proposed by the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, that is, as far as we understand, an alternative is being created for those who have dropped out of the game, it is not known how far, with the northern stream, and here we would like to understand what game erdogan is playing or he is does it create an opportunity for putin to keep

europe on the gas needle in the future, or does it create all the conditions for nord stream-2 not to i worked out the version that this goal can be important for putin. in short, when you said that the issue of protecting the sky belongs to another department, no, the issue must be resolved complexly, and in principle, the situation is such that it is necessary that if the scenarios on which russia will act were known in advance, of course not everything here depends on the ukrainian side, when we demanded from our partners to provide us with air defense equipment, just taking into account the fact that we should receive it somewhere in september at the latest. well, i don't want to to delve deeper into this topic, but it is necessary to look at it comprehensively, especially since this is not about some

abstract covering of the sky, it is known where the objects are located that should be protected as much as possible and where the object should be protected, i.e. the ban and so on. therefore, it is very important that this there is no competence of any kind, now with regard to turkey, erdogan is playing a well-known game and, in principle, it is not a game in the name of erdogan, that is, since the 90s, turkey has been conducting, if you like, such a course in the energy sector that all oil and gas flows have pass, well, the possible number of possible must pass through turkey, turkey and on to europe, they achieved success in the 90s, in fact, when the baku oil pipeline appeared, more ceyhan, followed by the gas pipeline of the sufferings of tbilisi, erzurun, but if they were to prove the zaire reprimand to the mind a-a gas pipeline

tanap transport gas pipeline through which azerbaijani gas came additionally to turkey and through turkey already to the european union let it be in a small amount but none the less and therefore if turkey welcomes any gas flows from the early egypt from russia from central asia, but turkish policy is quite inconsistent, a symptom we see is that on the one hand, the effect of the eu, turkey is already becoming a significant player in the supply of gas to europe as well, but it could have become that hub already thousands of years ago, figuratively speaking, if turkey was consistent in that the turkmen gas of central asia got through the caspian, the south caucasus to turkey, through turkey to europe. and

just then, russia took the opportunity to offer erdoğan when these projects were megaprojects would be on a scale no less than the flows of putin's e-e, they came to some logical conclusion of the signing of documents and so on. and here gazprom appeared with an offer that cannot be refused , so a blue flow appeared, they say e-e to ankara why do you need problem countries in central asia, instability in the south caucasus is the 90s. so when we can provide you with what you need, you get gas 444 km across the black sea , that's how the blue stream appeared instead of the trans- cryptian gas pipeline, then the same it happened again in the 10th years, only under the name of the turkish flow, well, this is also a question, so to speak. by the way, the issue of corruption in the highest echelons of power in turkey. here is the kind of pursuit of the bak shish, which

, uh, pushed strategic priorities to the background now russians appeared again in the form of putin and say let's form a hub. well, of course, this is described in the turkish concept. they will not be against it, and putin, in fact, as he wants , understanding what his image in europe is. well, it is absolutely not the same as it was. where is the russian gas going through the gas pipelines and that is why he is putting turkey as a proxy, what do they say if you don't want to do business with me, you will do business with me , it's a long shot, i think that nothing will come of it in the end, because in europe they look differently not only at putin, but also according to erdoğan, the current turkey is largely like the european union in terms of its policy, in that it is evolving more and more not in the direction of democracy, but in the direction of

precisely favoring authoritarian regimes, and when yordagan is seen there in the field, e-e, together with the turkish with the iranian etola and putin, all the bells and whistles there , and so on, in europe it does not arouse enthusiasm, and it is unlikely that this idea, even if it is such a turkish wrapper, will be really accepted by the european commission. in europe, they prefer to have deal with liquefied gas and not with large-scale projects, i don't think that the europeans will step on the russian rake in whatever form they are there medin turkey or somewhere er well, let's hope, mr. mykhailo, that europe has already been vaccinated against vaccines, so to speak cheap russian gas in quotation marks. thank you very much for this extremely productive analysis of the situation. mykhailo gonchar, expert in international

energy and security relations, president of the global studies center, strategy 21. a day in the studio of the espresso tv channel. let us see you virtually. glory to the heroes and glory to all the defenders of ukraine. well, accordingly , money issues began to appear, information that our overseas partners will provide us with additional funds, additional billions in order for us to patch up and rebuild our energy infrastructure, but the key question is how quickly the money will arrive, and in general, what would be our current situation in the budgetary sphere . well, almost half the budget, as far as we understand partners, let's

go step by step, first of all, most likely, you mean the budget for 20-23 years. yes, the budget, and it is immediately clear that 38 billion dollars will be a tank for the help that ukraine will need for in order to cover the expenses, since the budget will be made up of two parts by next year. the first part is the expenses for the war, and we will try to cover them with our own income, since international partners cannot directly care about military actions or expenses. hope, and the expenses for current life are very vital. country , we will most likely try to solve it together with our european partners, since, after all , ukraine, as we all understand, is fighting for civilizational principles, now for principles shared by the whole

civilized actually, mr. andrii, we understand that our partners will support us. sometimes it seems to me, even if not, that they want it very sincerely, but simply understanding that there is no other option, if they want to maintain security , stability in the region, in particular, economically support ukraine is a very important process. in our country, we understand what is happening with the economy and the financial system , in particular, we recently changed the chairman of the national bank of ukraine. i think that it is still too early to talk about any results of his work, i personally... well, so to speak, the report of the previous head of the nbu is not enough, but, as it is, in the meantime, information is found, in particular, from the shareholders of alfa bank, who confirm their readiness to capitalize it for $ 1 billion, however in

the event of a decision by the government or a national bank regarding the need to transfer control of the bank to the state or another partner, they are ready to transfer its shares free of charge, says the letter of the bank's co-owner mykhailo fridman to the head of the national bank of ukraine andriy pishny tell me please, mr. andrii, i have a question for you about alpha bank and if it is possible to determine its share in the financial system of our country in the banking system of our country, in particular, how costly it might be for the ukrainian state to nationalize such an object, given that mr. friedman i have certain questions for him in connection with his relations with the russian federation, let's go in order first from the recipe to your question about partners a-a do they want or don't they want to help ukraine, you know, i'll try to say yes partner to partner size i think you will understand

what i mean in the majority of cases we are sincerely grateful to our partners for the help they are currently providing to ukraine and i have prepared information that tanom already has more than 19 billion dollars today under various international institutions was given to ukraine in order for us to pass this test from a financial point of view, uh, recently there was a decision of the international monetary fund to allocate emergency aid in the amount of 1.3 billion dollars to cover such uh, uh, emergency expenses such a program operates in different countries of the world when it is necessary, you know, when cataclysms occur or, for example, such observed circumstances, in principle, in ukraine, the war can be considered as such, and therefore all these funds go not to cover gold and currency reserves, to accumulate gold and currency reserves, but to current expenses of the state budget, that's why

we are also grateful, and i want to say that this 1.3 billion is not the limit, because the rapid finance program is a tool that provides precisely this assistance, ukraine used this potential the quota is its own and only 50%, and a quota of 150% is provided. in principle, we can count on additional income even in this program, but i think that our government is working with various international partners in various programs and so far we are doing well. as you can see, the course is more or less stabilized in the conditions of war - this is nonsense, you understand, we are often asked questions about the banking system, and in general, the exchange rate is more or less stable in this situation, so this is a good second point about the science about which you they said, look at my personal personal point

of view that a-ah in business in ukraine that is connected with people who are close to the dictator er putin er have no right to work in ukraine. this is my personal personal point of view as a citizen of ukraine, and now i will say about point of view as an association of ukrainian banks, see recently the verkhovna rada passed a law stating that systemically important banks can be nationalized according to a certain procedure such a procedure was prescribed because when privatbank was nationalized, this procedure was not on the table, that is, was it clear about that a-a statement of one of the shareholders of alfa bank. i believe that this could be just er-e, you know, a prerequisite for such that they are ready a-a if will be the desire of the government to give

the shares of the bank to the account of the state. i want to remind the main viewers and listeners that the president and the government have clearly stated that all russian assets must enter to cover ukrainian expenses, that is, become national state assets, since russia caused let us knock down alpha bank by hundreds of billions of dollars - it is not hundreds of millions of dollars, even with all due respect , yes, it is really included in the systemically important banks in our country, there are 14 such banks designated by the national bank of ukraine, uh, i think that even if there is a decision on the nationalization of alpha to the bank, first of all , the shareholders will be willing to transfer their own shares, according to the sanctions, to this entire process at the expense of the state, but this will not affect the stability of the banking system, this is for sure because when the owner changes, we remember when privatbank was nationalized, they found

a big hole in their balance sheets, 5 billion dollars were paid by the ukrainians to cover it, so look at privatbank really, a big hole was discovered in their balance sheet, and regarding alpha bank, i still who is not ready to say that there is a hole because you understand today's conditions, e.e., the national bank in terms of the stability of the banking system. the national bank now qualitatively monitors the activities of any bank if alpha bank significantly violated, for example, such standards that recognize i think that the national bank has made a decision in advance, so i am not ready to tell you clearly right now whether it will be necessary for the capitalization of alpha bank, as in the case of the state bank, or not.

carried out by a1, but what is it in the ukrainian banking system? i will say it again as a citizen. it seems to me that it is not quite right when a bank whose shareholders are under sanctions all over the world is operating due to the fact that they are close to vladimir putin, the aggressor who responsible for the murder of ukrainians and the war in ukraine, mr. andrii, just a couple of minutes ago, we spoke with the people's deputy oleg dunda, the representative of the monopolicy of the monomajority, the head of the committee on construction and design, he expressed some doubt that it would be possible to monetize the confiscated movable and immovable property of russian enterprises normally. in ukraine, in particular, it is about the same factories that belong to the russians, how to wisely deal with such situations. this business is to sell. and you know here, let's divide

it into two blocks, because you are talking about property in general. then the international courts did not ask questions about other objects before these processes, well, in general, the process of nationalization is to be honest, in the civilized world, this is rather a negative word because you are taking away someone's private property on the benefit of what kind of responsibility, well, in our conditions, i believe that there will certainly not be any other sentence about this. i am convinced that the russian federation will not only be responsible for property to ukraine, but will also be responsible for its future income in order to compensate for the expenses that ukraine and others suffered from this war, and i will also say that the bank was brought

to its heating capacity, ah. well, in connection with this, they are generally recognized as not solvent, including the bank's shareholders and the bank's management. joint responsibility, for example, if there is a hole in the pansa bank and there is reason to believe that the teacher acted lawfully, then i am convinced that there is a council that should socialize, there is a board that must er accept er, and the law stipulates here the standard responsibility of management. thank you very much, sir . andrii andrii dupas dupas of the president of the association of ukrainian banks worked on our live broadcast at exactly 4 p.m. and we have news time espresso how could you understand to present them now anzhelika sizonenko, colleague, a word to you