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today we undoubtedly honor the heroes of modern and heroes of the past, we also mean vitaliy portnikov , mykola veresen, and i hope you all are also engaged in this, realizing that this road is long and it is not known when the road to complete freedom will end. -and we will have answers to questions if there are questions. and in order for there to be questions, on the official website of espresso tv, you should ask these questions about the pompanas that you are now seeing on your screens. well, now we will just talk about the current state of the military and of politics with mr. serhii grabskyi, that is, you have to come, i will be in italy, and you have already been in italy, talk seriously, such old wise words to pronounce,

why is interesting television for what do you think? yes, mr. serhiy, let's first listen to josel beres borel, and then talk about the nuclear component of the russian armed forces. this is a ballet by joseppe josep. ok, i said that i am a fool, but you are wisdom, sir. sergey all the time swan lake he just wants to hear him on tv, this is jose morel, people who support ukraine, eu states and us members, nato does not block any nuclear attack against ukraine will create a response, a non-nuclear response, but such a powerful response from the military side that the russian army will completely destroyed well, this means that the army is destroyed. in general, to be honest, unlike joseph borel, i do not consider

a nuclear attack to be realistic. i am so skeptical of everything that mr. putin says, and that you they said how realistic it is, they are always there , then they will send a submarine somewhere, then they will send some bombers to the polish peninsula , then something else, something else, shorter threats, a lot of things, not much. you know, mykola, i have the same uh-uh situation. how about you ? so, at the beginning of my officer service, i dealt with such objects a little, and therefore i can say that i also have very little faith in the fact that they will do something . with all nuclear facilities, whether military or cinema - it does not matter, first of all, secondly, russia

has never tested nuclear munitions during its existence since 1992, that is, they do not have a control system for this, that is, they do not know how will it work? because they simply don't have aa test sites, the test sites were the last ones in kazakhstan, all of us palatinsk, and they were not used in the new lands. third, returning to what i already said. object or storage of ammunition will cause an immediate reaction, and in principle , this is what we are talking about, that is, when the analysts understand that the preparation process has begun, it is clear that in order to neutralize it and not bring it to the last limit, it will be easier to simply destroy this object of commercial weapons, that is why all these efforts in my opinion, they have exclusively the character of blackmail, you know such a st. petersburg backdoor, er, in the 80s

, when i myself was studying to be an arbitrator, no more than that, on the other hand, this is what mr. barel said about what they can answer, that’s also the way a lot of which is obviously evidenced, yes, no one has ever said this is the same question, but in and you said and in italy said if we all walk around the preemptive actions of europe or the states and it is real, that is, in that case, conditionally speaking, his companion says that they they are beginning to prepare for a nuclear strike in some tactical , strategic, and conventional weapons. in your opinion, a pre-emptive strike is possible from the side of the civilized world, mr. sergey, mr. sergey, i can’t hear you well, mykolayovych, is it possible

a pre-emptive strike of conventional weapons from the west, absolutely, i said this myself, the west will not push it to the extreme because everyone understands how dangerous it is, and in support of this opinion, i will simply cite the words of boris johnson, who said that, well, it concerned the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. he said dear dear, the incident at this station will be considered as an implementation of article 5 of the nato charter, that is, an attack on an alliance member country that requires the response of the entire alliance because we understand that dear the incident will definitely affect any nato country because we are very close to it . and now we see such a situation of escalation, that is, boris johnson started it. on behalf of ivan, look at mr. serhiy

, it is obvious what will be applied. it is this preemptive strike. komarilla or putin together, in short, all of them together, these people, on the one hand, they are talking about negotiations, on the other hand, about mobilization for another two weeks, so what does this mean, immobilization and negotiations in the same bottle somehow, wars are not being waged , in my opinion, we have a bad connection. connection and we can still talk with vitaly that you are a little mistaken here because he says on the contrary that

in two weeks they will finish mobilization they will open to victory from ukraine ukraine does not want this victory because it is under foreign control but in two weeks they finish mobilization to a certain extent is a certain step back because they wanted to mobilize as we know for 30 not 300,000 hryvnias but a million and it was several waves first wave second wave third wave you see this message that today an unfortunate pilot of some airline directly with planes yes, no, and today there was something that i paid attention to, that putin does not regret anything, everything is very clear for me , it has become such a positive indicator, they are asking about it , the process is coming to an end and he is already starting to look, it is obvious that this is a question, what is there dima piskov i approached andrii the wheelman, i will say that you asked the boss if she regrets what they will say about anything , but there

is no but it has already run up for all your thoughts. nedobryy and please tell me this question. mykoly, let's repeat that what do you still want mobilization or some kind of negotiations? willingness to negotiate is a typical phenomenon, and i have no doubt that they will collect people as long as they can, and the fact that they pulled that pilot out of the aircraft today shows that they are very determined to talk about negotiations and the speaker of the parliament, mrs. valentina, our ex, spoke about it and the rest, everyone else, everyone talks about the negotiations, it’s just to divert the eyes, and i would

say more, they consider those negotiations as one option only, the capitulation of ukraine only in this format and here. they are in full agreement , so there is no doubt that they want the war to continue. sergei, look at this. i’m going to say something sneaky right now, because that’s how the question sounds, whether the ukrainian army is a knightly army , because on the one hand you they say, and so many experts say that they want negotiations in order to redeploy someone there, prepare something, teach them to give training, and so on and so on, but the ukrainians, having agreed to negotiations, can go on the attack, as the katsapas did. excuse me muscovites in the 14th year of her in ilovaisk and so on and so on when it seems like we have peace and friendship chewing gum and in fact they shoot why ukrainians can not behave like that because we protect protect our

reputation this is not a civilized approach or why why can't we to go on such a provocation, and negotiations about nothing, well, say ok, we are ready to stop active hostilities for two months, and the dimension, yes, just send it, shoot, and then go on the attack and capture, well, all the lands or as much as you can capture, you just capture to fool them is a war to fool me, if you look at the war of the 19th 18th 18th, who fooled whom more will win the war , and the winners are not judged, you know. after all, we have slightly different sizes and potentials and we can not allow that we achieve you know, a time-out and then we start again because the enemy is also accumulating resources and we have to put constant pressure on him, god forbid we stop, god forbid we go to

such a head as negotiations. by the way, i read in the publication jellyfish seems to the russian that they are consider these negotiations as a truce, as a temporary truce, how long will they have time to teach these mobilized people something to bring up some existing equipment and strike in february, march 2023, what is this, just planning correctly, i agree with you, not only that, but i , for example, when i have the opportunity to speak, i say that we currently have about a month or a half when they finish more or less the initial training of the first echelon, then 3-5 months and so on, further training begins, that is, they will increase their efforts and i'm sorry, it's clear to everyone that they will always be able to collect 200,000, that's why we can't stop, we have to push them away as much as we can, i'll talk further and secure ourselves in those positions that we can reach

. that moment such a moment is important they are running out there is such a moment there is but we still added a lot, a lot to what do you understand the mistake of many western experts is that they calculate russian resources based on the potential of the russian economy and they for some reason they forget that the russians are now becoming soviet weapons that were created somewhere around 50-60 years ago and all these dimensions are somehow not taken into account before the collapse, therefore russia's resources are very many. they still have enough to fight, no matter how cynical you sound, it is profitable for them to go to war now, because in fact, this i don’t know what to call him vestarbeiter is the only source of income in

the family, not only that, but even if he dies, then the family receives certain benefits, therefore, for many of them, this is a very good way out, therefore, there are already a lot of resources in general, and they will continue to use them . we have a conversation of like-minded people, there is no discussion. mr. sergey agreed with me that there is very little chance of a russian nuclear component, and now i am absolutely convinced that all the talk about the danger from belarus with the involvement of belarusian troops is well, how is this tending to zero such a probability i do not believe that lukashenko, who bragged about his participation when putin attacked and went to kyiv, he will now agree when putin enters and he will say ok, i

will put your shoulder now, something is not coming out of my head, please tell me what you will say , and here i am with i don't agree with you, please, and the situation. that's why, starting sometime in may, we are observing a consistent and growing e-e company, which should lead to the fact that belarus increases its productivity, they conducted a series of mobilization exercises, they conducted a series of training which were aimed at determining the level of readiness of the equipment, they constantly rotate their battalion technical tactical group

. i've been impressed lately, you know. i've been following belarus quite closely since the 15th year, so when the minister of foreign affairs read this message that someone allegedly wants to go to belarus to attack, it reminded me of the legend of training that was conducted jointly by russians and belarusians in the format of the so-called e-e training west west 2015 17-19 and so on . i can at least agree with you that the russians will want to fight, just because of the nature of most russians, there are economic opportunities here, but if you could imagine belarus, i

will tell you something like this. do you eat? no, it was in the restaurant. i’m sorry, and there are ukrainian military personnel nearby, and they say that they are negotiating some closed or semi-closed possibilities with the belarusians, since lviv is close enough to belarus, and they say that the belarusian military says we are all tanks, all the equipment, we will transport it across the border, it is all dirty and it is all cool, everything is fine and we will leave it and go back, we do not want to fight with you and we will not say, belarusian officers, how much is this gossip, is this possible, such a reaction to possible the war of that gentleman, who is called lukashenko after our common with vitaly, precisely because i

have been working in belarus for quite a long time, i do not have such a conviction, because it is necessary to understand that belarusian society for 30 years was in a bubble of russian propaganda, the belarusian military, and the higher and senior officers are completely under the influence of the russian military mentality. i would say yes, they simply do not know another army, plus, this is the best argument i can make. please tell me who beat the protesters in august 2020 russians maybe there were russians there, they were beaten by belarusians and the army there didn't even move to help the protestors, that's why the army there is under the complete control of the russians. army, therefore, knowing a little more about the belarusian army, i will say

that they will fight if they are sent, but it should also be noted here that the belarusian army will not necessarily go on a full-scale offensive , because in order to be involved, it is enough carry out certain demonstrative and provocative actions and under the actions will lead to the fact that we will be forced to keep additional contingents, you know this, if you go back to the second world war, it is approximately the same as when it was necessary to bring troops near moscow, but they could not be moved from the far eastern direction er, fearing an attack by japan, roughly so, that is, it is not about the fact that belarus and the russian army, but they can only advance together, they can attack obi, because we can talk with you for a long, long time about technical the possibilities and specifics of the terrain of the area where they are practically possible full-scale attack, but it is enough to create contingents, place them

along the border and provoke our fighters, as it happened in 2014, when at two o'clock in the morning the alarm went up, russian military camps came out, tank columns were deployed in combat the order was approaching the border at 50 m, you stopped and we kept our units there, not being able to withdraw them, it’s the same war, just without er-er direct invasion p sergey, look er-er everyone is interested in the answer to this question. i think that you have an answer for sure. right now, our western partners and allies are talking about air defense. we will provide ukraine with opportunities for this. we will close the sky in fact. to close the sky over ukraine in such a way that, after all, because these terrible bombings did not happen, is it real? is it unreal?

unfortunately, no air defense system guarantees one hundred percent protection, but what about it was said and i talked with my colleagues and friends and they are quite optimistic about this and i fully support them, it is about the creation of a completely new concept of air defense, the so-called concept of three levels, that is, these levels provide protection against drones that become a threat to civilian population, primarily protection against cruise missiles and protection against airplanes against bombers and so on, and the most difficult element of this system that will be created is the coordination of all these elements and coordination of them to create a single system of management and control that something will be created, i have no doubts because this is the interest of all our allies because there has never been

such a war in the history of human civilization as we are having now cruise missiles have not been used on such a scale against one country before and we are interested in creating, you know, such a test model of air defense that would protect a maximum of one country and then this model can be used in other countries, sergey how much time is needed for this is a very important question, this is a month, two, three weeks, two, three, six months , how long, from six months to seven months, 7-9 months, and you understand what's going on. here , the situation is different, it's not that the collective west does not want to give us these weapons, let's just understand 30 for years, the collective west did not prepare for such a war, no one spent such money, and in fact the military-industrial complex did not work on such a scale. therefore, the recovery and restoration of the power of the military-industrial complex is only beginning now, and it is being built up

production capacity, this is the first element, the second element, as i already said, is the most difficult, eh, all the stories are the creation of a unified management system and the third is the service system, because let's talk about it. yes, we have an air defense system that was left to us under the soviet union and - how many specialists do we have who can service, for example, the same patriot nasambs and so on and so on? i think not. do we have a repair base and an operational base, hardly ? it is necessary to deploy, if the gunner operator who in the end presses the button can be trained in a month, two months, three months, then for the production processes, for the technologist, for the technique, a little more time is needed to learn this material and practically apply it, so it will look realistic, in my opinion, from p' up to seven months,

ideally, maybe even 9 months, as if we have figured out everything we wanted, because i hope we are waiting oleksandr kharchenko, general director of the energy research center, i'm not waiting, i'm waiting, wait thank you, thank you, mr. serhii serhii grabskii, a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions , a reserve colonel. all the best, mr. serhii. thank you for finding time for us on friday evening. good evening. ruslan kharchenko, general director of the energy research center, and i am glad to see you too. thank you for finding time for us. today's holiday a-a well, here's your question. well, let's start with the most difficult question, and maybe the explanation, and it is possible to protect the energy system of ukraine before the winter period and with the threat from russia and destroy it. yes, let it already

today he said that they are going to the type of objects that are left. yes, what did he mean? so this is the question, this is possible. we just spoke with mr. grabsky. he says that in uh, in 60, seven months , you can create an air defense system, that means under the possibility of destruction will be the energy system of ukraine, what to do in such a case, what do we have, what do we have, as they say, we have this threat, we have had it every day since february 24, and it was not two days ago that the first rockets flew into our power system, and they were constantly flying and uh, it's really there and what an attack took place in recent days. it was simply unprecedentedly massive, but before that these attacks took place and every week they repaired , restored, found backup

energy options, constantly worked on it, can you say that we have a margin of safety ? year, our state company, which is actually responsible for the main e-e transmission lines, it was preparing to connect to europe, to connect and synchronize sensors and modernized a lot of equipment a lot of objects, and thanks to this, today we have the margin of safety that allows us to say that even after this over-the-top attack, after which i am sure that 90% of european countries were blacked out and would only restore the operation of energy systems for a week, ukraine no longer has even schedules in emergency shutdowns, consumers receive electricity.

this does not mean that everything has been restored, it will be restored for a long time, but it will work, electricity will be supplied, and it will definitely survive a certain number of attacks. the answers are the state company and the private energy companies, if they get involved, they participate, they help. well, because they are, as we always told ourselves, they earned a lot of money in peacetime, as i understand it, now they have to give a lot of money, which means that they are not used to this please tell me about this, of course, you are not used to it, but you know the skeletons of the power system, this is a state company, and private ones can rather be compared, you know, there are muscles that diverge into different parts

, there are nerves, maybe some uh, such uh, wires that ro- are spreading all over the country, they are distribution companies, that is, our skeleton is very strong with distribution companies, it is more difficult. unfortunately, private companies are in different degrees of readiness, because some are better, others are worse, and in those that are even worse, they have to be helped by the state company ukrenergo and from the side of their neighbors, who are in better shape, but everyone is now interacting and it must be admitted that no one is trying to say that we are a private company, we will not do anything, there is no such thing, everyone is working and everyone is restoring