square, this war ends with the third side collapsing, who will have less resources, and not only material or military, but moral human resources, while the people want to fight while they see the meaning in this war. so i assume, i miss, i think i said it then, i say it now that the intention of the war will be collapsing of the putin regime , i don’t know, but the collapsing regime and then when it sometimes happens, and then russia will be very weak and it will be time to dictate to it on what terms it should co- operate. that is, we can imagine the situation when putin is gone, something will start to change, there will be an internal push for the russian elites to change something , and for their own personal benefit, i mean to restore the opportunity to fly to the country house , er, near marseille, just such things, i think that you can forget about it already may god grant them to survive after this war, not to end up in some kind of trial here, then for sure

limit their desires. let's say this. after this war and when all this happens, then the moment comes when negotiations begin and during the negotiations it is possible to set the condition of getting rid of nuclear weapons there is the introduction of a real federation, a change in the constitution, that is, in fact, you are talking about the only such recipe that was introduced by the anglo-saxons after the war, it is not you, the germans, and the japanese will not decide. and we will decide for you , after all, there is some opposition, which was much more more forward or not, more numerous positions, i am in the west a liberal position. to be honest, i would not bet much on it, because i said that the lord is too far from the people, but i still think that this is not going to pass, my russian friends, that is not really you can ignore navalny's grid because it's a

grid, it's a structure, you know, it's unlikely that they have a chance before the government, but there must be a certain synergy, there must also be a reduction of the elite, the elite will not come to power, there will be opposition and it must also be on the side, i actually, when this pressure will be on the side, you know, then it's the elite is there somewhere in moscow, is the capital going down somewhere now, the capital has flocked, knowing the old one. it must then go to certain negotiations for certain concessions, or the main element of russia must be weak. how weak can it be so that it goes completely, and the war itself is the nature of this war, why? is to exhaust the opponent as much as possible, to cut out the fact that he simply does not know how to rebel anymore , he could not do anything else but take to the table to negotiate and now we were talking about the elites, and social psychologists whom i trust, maybe they are wrong, but for some reason i trust them, they say that nothing inside the deep people will not change , revanchism will continue and this is a matter of generations, that is, the minimum number is 20 years, which

they call social psychologists, so that something changes in the heads of russians. do you confirm this i agree with you, i think that the worst things that putin did for the position when he was for russia, so to speak, fell into his position and generally deprived it of some kind of good scenario. putin recreated the young generation in the middle and old, if things change in ukraine now, it does not change politics . nadiya i hope for what experts in sociology are saying now that it is possible for schoolchildren in ukraine , what is it really like ? it is important that there is nothing to wait for the nearest radical changes because the deep people are 20 years old in general this is also an old change passes with a generation, but it is all the more important to make structural reforms because if you make structural reforms there may be the appearance of a new putin or it will happen in 20 thousand years if this is not done another one such a question is absolutely idiotic, i admit right away, this is such

metaphysics in its purest form. and could such a thing happen in another country, that at first the end of the 80s inspired people, magazines appeared, they read wheezing gulag, they understood what salinism was, they understood their mistakes, then yeltsin came, somehow, he began to implement the words a little bit. well, a little something, after all, something happened, and then 20 years later, and again, the soviet people, homo soviets, are sitting everywhere , it could have been in poland, ukraine, finland, sweden, britain well, in germany, we see that everything was possible until the 33rd year. in ukraine, there were two active attempts. there

was a case under the late kuchma and yanukovych. temptation is a huge poison, a drug, it will attract me, i wished that there are a lot of people and from that depth, people who want a firm hand. a democratic government is not going, but it doesn’t matter whether poland is hungary or not, poland is a pig, the opposition and other sentiments are very strong in poland. button, the monopoly button, he can go to anyone, any people has a low level, we are going to poison , you can poison, you know, it is very important that russia has a particularly low immunity, because we are talking about the end of perestroika, and other things, let's not forget that, you know, this was a layer of liberal the intelligentsia in russia are very thin , don't go to the deep people, you know, it's very important, in fact, trouble is running in russia, westernized, you

know peter the great, who broke the window, but this is europe, it will be a thin policy, you know this further, this depth remains, and i will not tell you more, but i believe that russia is a particularly special way of historical prophecy on the issue of such a scenario, so i say once again that structural forms must be made, or without it, we may face the threat of a repetition of such a scenario. if this is not the case for our children, this may become a new threat to our meadows, yes, i would add just to confirm your thoughts, i have a professor that i recently thought about this, that these many thousands of meetings of the times of decline gorbachev's appearance of yeltsin there for freedom and so on. they were allowed. the difference between a million people on khreshchatyk and a million people in moscow is that no one gave permission to anyone on khreshchatyk. and yeltsin was there and said let's go out

into the street and the russians will come out only then when they are allowed from above, they still look at the mountain , whether they will allow it or not, this is the difference, there was one critical moment, which bridge will save the situation and the russians, well, obviously, i will not talk about ours. and it is obvious that i have the most infection er, during the talk about the fact that on the swamp it was almost 10 years ago, one or in 2011 there was such a situation that you in moscow got half a million. a place that seems like how many of us have eight million, yes, twice as much or how much more than moscow, from kyiv, there were only 250,000 in a huge city, you understand, there were 10,000 ukrainians, there was a million in kyiv, and this is a huge difference, even this shows something big, this huge difference between ukraine and the country of russia is the main thing if the problem of russia is that russia does not

have elected political forces, independent political structures, you know, and there is no parliament, there are no independent seats, there is no independent mass media, everything that should be independent and it is not only you know the last thing to see is that many are against russian history, there are attempts to build happiness, there are reforms that are trying to normalize russia, but these reforms are short-lived, and the biggest tragedy is that after these reforms, alexander the first oksana the second or under gorbachev goes through an even longer and even more terrible period of reaction, and this is exactly what the tragedy of russian history consists of, if it is the neighbors who need people like ukrainians from this, we thank yaroslav hrytsak, scientist, historian, publicist professor of the ukrainian catholic university. thank you very much, professor yaroslav . well, about yes, you know, i have the impression that people in the world and i know for sure here that mr. yaroslav, communicate with colleagues from germany and america and britain and so on gradually

gradually somehow the world begins to produce this and that recipe that must be implemented those medicines that must be given to the russians a-a in order to cure them because they are absolutely uh-uh and i would say so they are fundamentally sick, that is, in all dimensions and moral, ethical, aesthetic, financial military and so on and so on psychiatric psychological sense and it is really very important to understand that only an external doctor and a doctor who hurts is a doctor for russia must not be condescending he must not be like that you know oh, it hurts, we will not give you such an injection, this is a bitter pill, this is a pill, we will not give it to you, the most painful operation, the injection, the most disgusting medicine, all

this must be introduced in order to quickly heal russia. and quickly, this means at least 20 years. and more. and even two generations under absolutely strict external supervision can lead to the fact that something will change . modern russian liberals say that there can be no external control over a nuclear state. translated from russian to ukrainian to ukrainian language, this means that if you can't mean russia after some time will be restored in the form in which we are used to it, stalin's, putin's, this will be the psallin's, putin's, and there will be war again and there will be problems again

, there is no other way except the one that mr. professor yaroslav hrytsak okay, so let's go work on the questions with you, i'm putting together all my cheat sheets here and focusing on the answers zhenya dudchenko p mykola how do you prepare for a possible lack of electricity and gas buy candles i'll tell you frankly i buy candles i buy i already know that a candle burns for something like 48 hours at least the one my wife bought gas we are trying to find some gas such things where there are some canisters eh what can we at least heat something there eh there is no other way i think that all people insulate their homes, buy blankets, uh, that means uh, candles

and everything else. well, we hope that there will be electricity and gas for a while to charge phones, although i am not convinced that they will be needed if ms. sofia is really paralyzed or believe that that belarus will go to war against us in the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, we help convert airplanes for nuclear weapons do the belarusians support us despite everything, they are not russians, they are an oppressed and occupied people. is this an illusion ? i'll tell you just yesterday was the birthday of sasha groysburd, an outstanding ukrainian artist who died last year, and i met belarusians at his place who emigrated a long time ago there in the late 90s at the beginning of zero and from belarus and they told me

that you probably can't say that, but i'm quoting. it's not my opinion that the worst iteration of russians is the belarusians, and i don't know how true it is. i don't know how much they like lukashenko. i don't know. we have a different experience. we have the experience of the 20s, when many brave belarusians went out but they didn't behave courageously there on the streets. that's why i don't know, i still don't know what belarus will do, how they will support or not support, i hope they won't because, after all, it was the 20th year and august 9, 19 was when the elections were falsified and the belarusians went to the maidans, i hope they will understand. in these two years, it is clear that you have to take your weapons with you to the maidans, because it absolutely looks like it. when you go bare-handed against armed people and say we are so civilized, the only way

to fight the enemy with a gun is to have your own there is no other gun, the experience of ukraine proves it, and our friends help us get this gun against the russian gun, but as for nuclear weapons on airplanes, i don’t pay attention to it. i think it’s all intimidation. there won’t be any no nuclear war, from my point of view, i can be wrong, there won't be, i don't see any prerequisites, i see and read reports, open reports of the american british development, which say that they do not see any a-a such a-a stunning signs of russia's preparations for a nuclear attack if russia it is not preparing for belarus, it will not be able to either, we should not forget that when ukraine had nuclear weapons, the button still made headlines in moscow and all the talk about the fact that ukraine could preserve and control it is so debatable, let's say a a question to which it is difficult to give an answer, why do russians

hate all other nations, even those that are part of the russian federation, well, ms. sofia, it is not a very difficult question, you just need to understand the psychology of the empire, study the history of the russian empire, because there are generally some laws of the existence of empires, and among these empires there is the russian where there are special laws of existence that lie on the ground of russian history, this is the history there since the 12th century, this is the history of the denial of any democratic even sprouts and this is the history of a constant of some kind the monopoly on power that sits somewhere in st. petersburg or

moscow, that's why they will hate because the empire that conquers will hate you, you are wrong in that you say that it is difficult simply because you are ukrainian and it is really impossible for ukrainians to get into the heads of russians, it is simply impossible, you have to get there somehow you know, to go scouting in some middle part of russia, as they call it, or to siberia, and live there and talk with him and try to understand them, put yourself in their place. it is very difficult, it is very you. if you are not the empire, you will become you it's very difficult to put moisture into imperial narratives, i think it's almost impossible, ah, and that's why this moment really arouses the surprise of all the surrounding peoples

who were not under russia. a long history of independent and semi-independent existence, although we know for sure that the pressure on finland was insane, they could actually elect their own people, but with the consent of the kremlin for many decades ago, there are also very suspicious quite strongly in russia. well, so on and so forth . this is a difficult question, but knowing the history and knowing the history not only of russia, but in general the history of the british, french, and british empires, you can roughly imagine what is happening in the heads of russia

. how do you feel about the assumption that putin, who passed to the government is gone by the time the lesson is over, the hero performs doubles like tories, i do not like and do not believe in conspiracy theories. i can believe some elements. well, for example, when he goes somewhere and the cameras are at a distance of 2500 m and they can see him fix it for 3-5-10 spots 12 seconds, maybe there is a doppelganger somewhere, but i am absolutely convinced that vladimir vladimirovich putin is talking to us, and again, it is difficult to understand how such a person can appear in the xxi century, but he did you won't do anything and we just talked about this with the professor , could it have happened in another country? well, in principle, we have to imagine it because the end of the

40s, 50s and 60s of the uia zhigun. that is, it is extremely eastern culture is long-lasting, very rooted thousand-year- old culture but gave about 90 million corpses, 90 million victims, some say 100, and some say 110. this is the rule of the chinese communist party during the time of mao zedong. on the other hand, we can see a completely different culture . we will see in europe the same destruction the same capture and the same and the same

uh well the same life it is very similar to life in any totalitarian country that is why there is a difficult question the constitution of the people that the west allowed putin to absorb ukraine that is why he so boldly chased tanks and was not afraid of nato intervention, thank you ms. natalya , because you yourself said that this is a conspiratorial idea, the west absolutely understands that its fundamental interests are threatened by russia and it will stand side by side with ukraine, there will be some elements of doubts, there will be some moments that we and we see that well, let's still let the ukrainians take an active role in the war, let them fight

, let them destroy russia, we'll wait, you know, you can always give a very beautiful example, and it was once given by volodymyr pastukhov, such an intellectual. he is alive in london, he is an emigrant from the russian federation, we were once close, well, not close, but we were friends. and he once said that you understand, this is a village and a forest, a forest . you can wolverine, a ravenous wolf there or someone and he ah and he begins to buy up the border parts of this forest and that village and without a doubt those who are

on the border they suffer more because they have more danger but also those who are on the opposite side of the village where to who the bear has not yet come to them, these people they say listen, it will come to you sooner or later and they , too, start somehow cooking from the other side, they remember, for example, the french remember such a bag of good well, what is a good mishka good mishka is tolstoy, this is tchaikovsky and they went in childhood new a year on nutskunchyk they clapped their hands, they need to change something in their heads to understand that mishka is a good, good leg, he has gone crazy, this is not a fast story, it will not

be fast, that's why we see that, for example , the border states with russia understand everything anglo-saxons understand everything because they have some kind of vaccination against dictatorships, i wouldn’t say that they do n’t pass by them at all, they also had dangers and there were fascists in britain. or british fascism, but here, in the middle between the english channel and the english channel, and if eastern europe and central-eastern europe, there is such a band of doubt, but still subconsciously they understand that they will not be transferred, god forbid, putin will win that's how it looks, let's move on to ukrainians

, israel wants ukrainians, israel wants to help ukraine as a humanitarian, but not with weapons. sanctions will also not be necessary. why. very simple. this is the simplest question. melania, israel has one burning passion. well , the jewish state has one burning passion called the jews . they consider themselves surrounded by enemies and they are small and the only way to have any politics is to think only about themselves , they are not that's why they can empathize with ukrainians, they can be on their side emotional ukrainians. although not all of them are pro-russian forces, in principle there is nothing for them except the threat of israel and all the energy, all the

money, all the military capabilities, all the military aviation, without the military fleet, everything that is there, they are closely monitoring the surrounding countries, knowing what can happen from there fly in at any moment and this has been going on since 1948, you understand, so believe me, the ukrainians will behave the same way. i hope that we will win the war. i hope that we will have peace and i hope that peace will be in our favor and when they will appeal to us, listen, give us a little tanks well, for example, someone, we will say listen, there is such danger near us that we need these tanks very much and we cannot give you anything sorry , please, but russia is near us, so keep this in

mind family to save electricity after problems with the power system how do you heat your apartment and how is the temperature at your house to me it is how to teach ukrainians to consciously use electricity it is impossible to teach let's start from the end i don't believe it i think that somehow if there will be very strong pressure from the state, these municipalities will simply have to do it, there will simply be another option, there are no people anywhere, it is not possible, it is not ukrainians, it is french, it is german - it is absolutely all nations, if you do not put fuses on the sidewalk, then everyone will put cars on cars on the sidewalk, the end of nothing it won't work if you put some heavy forms there that can't be moved and just physically make it impossible

to get on the sidewalk, then they will start parking somewhere else everywhere, there are no exceptions, that's why this point must be understood, and just yesterday i had an expert who was wonderful. he talked about this very thing, that you need to save money. well, yesterday, we agreed with my wife that our laundry will work at night, so we will take the car at night, that's right, that's what we mean, that's how we decided. well, the rest well, in our country, we do not spend very much, although we definitely spend, but as long as the government is not pressured by the citizens, the citizens will spend electricity as they are used to. there would be a percentage, but i do not think that it is big, 10-15, a maximum of 20, which is really young. you know, the generation is mostly students, they somehow understand it more than the

older generation, they are about 20%, they are primarily related to such young people for whom it is, well, my youngest daughter, if i bring a plastic bag from the store, this is just her on they look at me like i'm crazy because you can't spend, well, that is, the world is polluted with bags. these are the people who will turn on the hot water in a certain way, turn off the light behind them, and so on and so on. but someone has to set an example given, for example, i now mean that the municipalities should take this quite seriously, make some commissions that take them to go around the houses to see something, give advice, don't pretend that they are the chiefs, ah, well, you usually know this, as soon as the municipalities appoint such a person, but you have to to come and tell you that you have a bad

wiring and because of this you will have a short circuit and therefore you do not need to turn on the hair dryer, the refrigerator, etc., etc. or take turns, well, this is work. this is a long , long work. well, one last thing, sir mykola, what do you think, can the government in hungary be called a dictatorship, after all, orbán illuminates the opinion of ordinary hungarians about hungary. i would say that hungary is definitely not a dictatorship, they elected orbán not the first and not the second time, without a doubt, hungarians are offended and for the first time they have world war ii they are really pulling away such a territory, not only

ukrainians, i have talked about this sitting at this table many times for many months, it is slovakia, it is romania, it is ukraine, that is why they are the way they are, but there is no dictatorship there, there is definitely an influence on the mass media is serious but it's not russia i can definitely say it's not russia iryna koval has already prepared both mentally and physically for the truth here i am sitting i'm waving my hands you can see zaiss this is me but i only have 10 seconds left and then ms. iryna will inform you for 10 minutes about what is happening in ukraine and the world. and i will see you only tomorrow, thanks for everything, mykola