an intelligent woman was collected all her life, you understand, and she was killed by russian soldiers a woman who read pushkin, lermontov, tolstoy all her life was such a bearer of such russian culture, these people are barbarians , they don’t even mean anything to me . for americans, you can understand it by the picture itself . they still can't go on a tour, here they came, people came, they entered the house of an ethnic russian woman , an intelligent female doctor who helped people all her life, what a grandmother she raised for his grandson their relatives and they hanged her for what it does not fit in the head, and now imagine a city that freezes, it will be the same with the stories themselves and the institution's determination to help will increase , its own resources may not be enough, because they also

suffer from this, listen, there is no need to change the possibility of westerners secondly, i always say the west, you understand the west - it's not biden macron or scholz or borel the west - it 's just people, people who are brought up in certain values, very often religious american society in general, you know, it's strange religiosity and the protestant point of view, very often just values ​​that are connected with resistance , it is possible for a european country to go through this one way or another with compassion for one's neighbor if there is no such irritant, western societies live for themselves from buying an iphone to buying a new car and paying a mortgage if on the internet screens this is what we were talking about. here is this unfortunate woman who was hanged next to the library of russian books. this makes an ordinary person

think what can i do to help and to a politician should do, i voted for him, the hpp law, i am a member of the parliament to solve these problems. please tell me what you did to help these people and this politician who sits in the congress is a very wealthy person with a reputation. of course, what does he think? i have to prove to them that they are not they voted for me for nothing because they don’t want to otherwise, because otherwise they won’t re-elect me, this is my job, my calling, i have to preserve it, which means i have to help ukrainians, even as a stage person, you are absolutely right, because what are the problems there were no resources for this, they will be found because it will be a public event for the request, how will this close the circle to putin again? although it will emerge in six months and will

emerge, but at least it may not equalize new stories, it is creating rockets with all this bard, all this rockets, it brings ukraine to the front pages of newspapers for the first time, news lines as it was on monday, and it means in people's thoughts, my god what a horror. there is no light in the whole huge city. people cannot cook food for their children. this is how it is perceived . she wanted to come to the house, uh, cook dinner, do the laundry, and she can't do any of that, why are some crazy people not giving them the opportunity to live normally? maybe she wanted to go to a coffee shop with her husband for a drink on friday she can't live a normal human life, what did she do to them? so we have to do something so that they live a normal life. because the idea

of ​​civilization in general is that people just have to live normally. what is this not about ideology? we cannot understand that it is not about ideology, not even borders are not even about the fact that we speak ukrainian in russia, they speak russian there. an ordinary person in the west thinks that first of all from this category you have the right so we have the right so we have the right to a normal life and only then thoughts begin about ideological problems, which are usually of interest to experts and specialists. but with a person who lives there in uh, uh, and in germany or austria or in the united states, especially in the united states, she does not care about such things at all , she cares about simple things that there are people who are not guilty of anything like that and they are simply getting rid of them, it's definitely not a war with the army, they see buchach, it's not a war with the army, it's warm, it's central, it's not a war with the army, putin says these , you see, we took revenge for the crimean place but what you have on the crimean bridge nothing is happening,

cars are going, trains are going, and you know what, what have they done to you and there is no answer to this because you know this why did they want to change western public opinion when they were running all the time, as you know, like crazy in eh kyiv metro that we ourselves are not local, that's it. and what did you do for eight years, and for 8 years, they bombed bambas, bombed bambas, exactly, and there was no evidence of this. because all the photos, all the video footage of the suffering of the people who lived in donbas were precisely related to the hot during the war phase of the 14th year, when the russians climbed there, when they shelled there, when they led people to bomb shelters, and when they occupied this territory, ukraine certainly did nothing to burden the

lives of these people. the citizens of the russian federation are the occupiers, and it was not necessary to prove it because the russians themselves could not prove the reverse, so in this regard, i just assume that putin is left with this blackmail, eh, now it means that the cold does not come out. let's mention the famine once. thank you, mr. vitaly, to the next topic, which interests me from the point of view of whether russian propagandists will be punished. years, well, in principle, even longer, but we are talking about the phase of the war in ukraine for 8 years. they talked about the need to destroy ukrainians, ukraine does not exist and so on, and now especially they

say let's destroy them with rockets, let's destroy them they are bombed with nuclear warheads, now there is a precedent in gas, a propagandist is being tried, let me remind you that in rwanda, an african country, in 1994, one indigenous people began to destroy another. and here is such a man who is already 89 years old, his last name is kabuga , they have been looking for him for 20 years. he was in the international search and found him, he is being tried for the fact that he promoted the genocide of this indigenous people of turkey , and from 500,000 to 1 million people will still be destroyed, despite the fact that as many as 20 years have passed. the search for him has been going on for a long time. - no it worked, he is being tried, and well, this is such a good precedent, mr. vitaly medvech, we are condemning these people, propagandists of the kremlin, by the way, he is not a journalist, he is the owner, what is the sponsor of this

meme, and he invented it, this is the radio station 1,000 hills, a famous thing that went down in the history of world journalists, but what is interesting is that he is really the last person from this group of people who is condemned to be tried in gas at the f-terbunal has already ceased to exist. it is just that he gathered specifically for him, but the real journalists of this radio station during these for years they were searched for by an international tribunal and tried by an international tribunal , er, mine was in gas and tried by tribunals in ireland, they were searched all over the world by the way, one of the most famous journalism graduates of the leningrad university did they doubt and you understand that in the soviet union it was very easy for a journalist to learn to hate these are very good analogies with the current war why because , first of all, it speaks of the power of propaganda of the hoth and here and in general they have always had a difficult

relationship with each other, to put it mildly, it will not tell now about the history of rwanda, it is long, but the essence of this is that the relationship was difficult, but it was the appearance of the radio 1000 hills that it created, it created the idea of ​​depopulation that you can't, you can't love your neighbor, well say listen to this turkey, they are all kind of rich, they are all kind they don't like us, they all don't like us, it's almost one ethnicity, in fact, it 's just divided according to social, er, certain categories, it used to be there a long time ago, but it doesn't occur to you that you should take an ax, an ax , and start killing this neighbor of yours, that's just the way it is like during the holocaust, you hear maybe you can't love your jewish neighbor well, you don't love him, he says you don't love him at all, you're all lying here and you're charging us a lot of money, and why don't you have this and

this in your shop but suddenly someone appears who says that you can kill them all and nothing will happen. everything will be fine, but it was exactly the same. the same radio of 1000 hills was saying all the time that they should all be destroyed in various programs, using various euphemisms, not directly to the point. it's little by little head and it turned a huge number of people into murderers, not 10 people, but actually a whole community, and what is more interesting, during the tutsi genocide, a huge number of people died because they killed all those who said what you are doing why are you listening to this radio they are just thugs. how can you kill your neighbors ? they killed your own. it was part of the genocide, and this genocide is called the destruction of the tutsi and non-compliant hutus. by the way, as you can see from russia, on the one hand, they are

fighting in our country, and on the other hand, they are introducing such the laws that make it possible for everyone who does not agree to arrest, expel, even kill, in fact, they destroy at the same time all those russians who prevent them from ruling forever, very sho salabyovki selyov eh dmytro eh skabeeva simanyan eh petya tolstoy there are many who at all costs are war criminals i admit that a certain number of russians could have a negative attitude towards ukrainians this is always you see this could also be an attitude towards ukraine how about a state that didn't understand where it came from, but these people didn't even think that ukraine could be destroyed, the same solovyov went out at some

funny concert there and sang a song about ukraine in such a military uniform, this is youtube, no, we'll turn off the gas for you, well, we'll turn it off gas, yes, we will turn off gas, this is an economic war, you can use gas to try to assert your influence on neighboring countries, but this does not mean that you can bombard it with missiles. their work consisted in the fact that they little by little to russian society, the possibility of what is possible and yes, we can repeat it now against our own, and i think that this is, first of all, completely indecent, because these people do not profess these ideas, in fact, they just do it for money, it’s simple here, you know, i don’t always remember i was shocked because there is a shocking powder that has stayed with me forever. we once were, i don't remember what year it was. putin was already the president of the russian federation, maybe it was in 2001 or the second when the ntv tv channel and the then

united states ambassador in moscow, oleksandr velshbow, were destroyed. the future deputy of the general championship invited the leading journalists to breakfast, so there were yevhen kiselyov, leonid parfenov, oleksiy vinediktov, stanislav kucher, volodymyr solovyov, and i are limited to such a small circle and a belt, so we are following, talking about freedom of speech verbogu says please tell us what the united states can do in such the situation is not easy when independent television companies are already disappearing, the resources to help you preserve freedom of speech and volodya is telling him here that we don’t need help, mr. you went give us money, we'll do whatever you want, and we 'll do everything, you understand, we're still like a tv presenter, and

we, i'll look and we're all petrified, it's absolutely incomprehensible what facial expression you should have in this situation when this person is sitting next to you, you didn't have would be her colleagues, but on the other hand, you can't just give her a harvest, it's impossible, but there is no quality in relation to understand that you don't think so, because he will look at you, look at you all as some kind of barbarian tribe. sat with his mouth almost open you're just an experienced diplomat, you know , he got himself together and he looked at me, i was just representing radio svoboda, so i shouldn't have been a person more involved with him than others, and he means a person, find me, i'm trying to defuse the situation somehow, i say, well, mr. solovyov had the need for grant support for independent media, he probably says, no, i wanted to lead, give me money, horror. how did you have

to justify it ? it was like that, that's why now when i watched solovyov after that, you understand. of course, you can think anything you want about a person, but if she works as a prostitute, well, how would she not pretend that she is an honest woman, or an honest man. but that's obvious. profession is it . and they all have it dmytro kiselyov, he comes to kyiv to work on the ictv tv channel, i am there then hosting a program and he tells me vitaliy i have a huge request, we have to do this, and what should we do? i have a cycle of the program. at 10 this my report from european countries about what it means to live in the european union, the values ​​of

mutual understanding, security, the standard - it all needs to be re-dubbed in ukrainian so that ukrainians understand exactly that their choice is europe, the european union, european security, nato, i did it for russian viewers. i don't know if i achieved a result there, but now ukrainians have to see it, it’s a lot of work, 40 or 50 reports about how important it is to be european and we duplicated it, made subtitles and showed it on the channel because dmytro kisyuriky was then the main figure there from the point of view of the production of such content, he insisted on this now when i look at this person who talks about the european union, what should i think, he lied to me then, no, he was completely honest he knows european culture, he is a specialist in norway. he has always treated the russian civilization with such contempt.

putin, it was all so quiet for him. i definitely understand that all this is for money, well , that is. if i did not know these people, i personally could think what they have is this their position so cool i know them all can clearly say that they do not take any position petro tolstoy deputy chairman of the state duma of the russian federation my juice faculty and journalists and i remember everything he told me when he was working and i'm sorry. in the french press agency , how pro-european he was at that time, he said, "you know, he married my wife and i in italy, he was already relatives of ivana, she said, did tolstov marry us, the bishop of geneva, but don't you think that i would marry in russia? no, i don't think so, i don't think so." it you see, i hear that, i got married easily for

money, you can’t make it up, you know, you can’t make things up, that is, i see that these people are generally very far from russia, they despised this russia. i didn’t quite understand this contempt , because i always i thought that if i were a russian, i would like to make the country in which i live better. volodya solovyov and dima kiselyov and tolstoy had this disdain for russia and russians, and i think that this is the key thing that unites them with putin, they are them they hate us, but they just consider russians to be scumbags, who they just cheat , earn money, buy new houses and give cars, you don’t know. if you need it, you can’t buy it in europe, you can’t buy it in europe, where you have to, and they’ll buy it. maybe it’s not baikal i don't know, i don't even want to think about their borders now, but i've already bought

a village like that. whom is it written on? kyselyov also had and there was property in europe, you see. well, why if you're a parasite on the fields, they tell you what oh, you great people, ugh, you are just salt-of-the-earth nonsense, then you take the money paid to you by some oligarch over there, or the fsb, and you transfer it to italian banks, there you sit on the lake of coma and amuse yourself, this is exactly a russian verb , you are making fun of russian people what is surprising in this situation, that is why the question arises whether they should be sentenced in this way because they are the enemies of their own country, they are the enemies of ukraine and the civilized world - this is clear, but they should be judged by the russians themselves for this, for the fact that they absolutely knowingly not having no faith in the fact that they were babbling about the depopulation of their own people, actually convincing

their own people that there would be nothing for murder, rape, or robbery, so now it means lav job says oh, and it must mean destroying kharkiv and lviv, that's all the talk in russian so far a pagan city, what can one want because they want to or because that is what comrade major wrote and the question arises, should we judge solovyov or the russians? i think that the russians should have treated him much more seriously look and look at those people who were honest journalists, honest, who did absolutely everything and who really cheered for this country with their hearts, i remember yura that khachikhina, i remember him from the 90s, when he was engaged in investigations of mafia corruption, he risked his life he just poisoned ani palitkovska, who went to beslan, wanted to

become a hostage herself just to save the children. well, putin, of course, was interested in something else, they killed such anti-peace chechen human rights defenders , they killed all of them, i would say with the honesty of russian publicism, journalism , there are many such examples that can be mentioned, because there are many people, i just guessed the most famous ones, and these people really, because i believe that they cheered for russia, they became a part of russia not even in accordance with their ethnic origin, and not a political one . in general, a ukrainian woman, well, she accepted this country and she wanted to make it better . she was simply killed at home. well, what did all these scoundrels say then? they justified it in essence. they still do not ask the authorities. what happened there, because they definitely believe that all these people who did not stand as they serve

this brothel well, they deserve to die, i'm sure naida. so i don't know if gas is waiting for them, and i have a very bad idea angelica, how are the journalists of a nuclear state going to get into trouble, but i assume that they will face trial in russia, and i would honestly betray each of them. firstly fair secondly the question is not accepted by the primary system of russian medical care, this prison. and this is what they had to fight with as journalists, but the people who fight with it. as you know, they receive threats, you know that when they made this large mass of information about how russian

the guards, they kill and rape those who humiliated from prison in order to recruit them to make them their agents and the people who made all this public that they were wanted made it public not the solovyov peasants, this is their direct work, remember how many of our journalists, ukrainian investigators over the years, such facts, some actions of state officials, even the system has been made public in our country, the system is different precisely because here we talk about it, and many of our colleagues who are engaged in the investigation of such things risk their lives, but the state can not put on the list of criminals because all of us in society will protect this person, the state knows this, and they are the opposite, they are the opposite, if someone starts to behave honestly, they will immediately take him to the asphalt. now i read that some a russian judge who fled from russia asked for political

asylum and is now telling how russian courts work, how does it work, i, i, what can i say about russian courts when the constitutional court of russia makes a decision about whether zaporizhzhia can be annexed to russia, kherson, donetsk of the luhansk region and does not even explain what are the borders of these regions as part of the russian federation. valery zurkin has been a constancy since 1989, and he told me it was the election of people's deputies of russia. he ran for office, you can't even imagine what dreams do i have of making an honest judiciary in russia? i see this as my mission, you know in italy, if i leave my post there, he was already a judge. if i leave my post as a judge or a lawyer and i will know that i have left an honest independence, we must get rid of party control. no calls

, nothing, i will consider that my life has happened. i would very much like to meet him in a better way in court and ask him how life is, dmytrovych, the place was crowned with success. this is necessary for a person all his life, in fact, the chairman of the constitutional court of russia and such a fiasco, this constitutional court exists in order to approve without the right and again if i didn't know zorkin and i didn't know what his real views are clearly well, what a fool they found you, but he is a person who made a career for himself that's why at the beginning, that 's why she was a symbol of fair justice, the people who introduced me to him said oh, you should see it with valerian dmytrovych, help him, it's just a light fast, he's so rooting for his purity, you'll just see it and i saw it, i saw it, i'm there oh what wonderful people, what a bright future for us, the future if this is the world in russia i want to know and

what are you stimulating with whom i have not been introduced and who were against something until the court proceedings that they ended up like this and this is normal and by the way and by the way, here is when we are talking about these propagandists who should be in the international court, and what about the international judges, what about the judges themselves, because you understand that the law is based on the fact that the russian parliament can make any decision, the constitutional court must expertly consider it, it is obvious that it is not corresponds to the constitution, i would have the constitutional court there in the 14th year, i would say that he has a special opinion that he would stop the annexation of crimea. how many are there in the constitutional judge, what are you afraid of, all of you should not be yes , you can drink, but this is a real opportunity to enter the

history of your own country to say no, we will never agree with the fact that you violate the constitution , you can suspend our activities, but we are like that we will not approve of russia because of that. by the way, in 1993 , the activity of the constitutional court was suspended because president yeltsin believes that he will not approve of his procedure there, but that is because they would look like people with a reputation . the decision provokes a war, we see it for a reason, he put his seal there, signed it and left, no, the blood of all these people who died during the war is on the hands of each member of the constitutional court of the russian federation, there they had one judge who all the time he voted against e, he wrote his special tube, they finally managed to get the legislators to ban the special opinion of the constitutional court, that's all they know how to do, you understand what putin said, we went to crimea because they didn't give us water, she didn't give them water we are buying the kherson region, the judge believes that these decisions are not legal, he gives an expert opinion that it is

wrong. let's cancel this procedure so that no one will guess. well, the whole reaction of the russian state is a bandit scheme, that's why, again. anyway, when we discuss all this, of course, russia is not rwanda. but i think that the leadership of randa, when they started this genocide, she also did not think that almost all of it would fall under the courts, this journalist said oh, and we didn't know that this is not possible. they didn't know that you can't say that. and what is this? it will be a lie. it's impossible not to know that calls for the killing of people will not be punished. they called the places where the tutks are so that people would go there and kill the places. by the way, comrade solovyov says that destroy kharkiv is lviv already naming places? he is not just saying oh our army. no, he is saying to shoot somewhere, and there are women, children, civilians who

have not done anything bad to this jerk. and i wonder how much more money he needs to earn for all this meanness so that he calms down. and already started. i don't know how to talk about ballet there, but he is a murderer. i think he will do something terrible. it's hard to imagine how such a person can point to the example of the head of the constitutional court. well, do a good job, do it right. according to the law and go down in history, it was possible to go down in history as a person who was an opponent of putin and did everything right but no, of course he is a man, because then he will be a hero in the textbooks of russian history and so she will not be in the textbooks of russian history i listen, we will never be able to fully understand these people, because their very psychology is, to put it mildly, degraded people, i don't know if it can be called human psyche, because when it is important to you that this

return, this house, these money and someone somewhere to make arrangements with relatives and that's all, and for the sake of it, you simply prepared to make decisions that then lead to the mass death of people, so i don't know if you can call it a person. well, well, not giving the nuremberg tribunal to that and it happened because they asked these nazi bonzos to understand at all what are you doing? what are we talking about? the death of millions of people. people are empathetic . homo sapiens. we are concluding our conversation today. thank you to the greenhouse, because you are with you, angelika sezonka. thank you to everyone who was with us, and this is the end of the saturday political club program. we have only now left to pass the floor to our colleagues who have already prepared the news in a few seconds .