first of all, is it possible to postpone reconstruction until after the war ? the disease is about roads, it's about uh, power substations, and so on. the second factor is that we need to start the economy, we are now essentially financed by the international community, uh, we need more uh, jobs and more taxes now, which means that people have to come back to where they already feel more or less safe, and this means that people will not return, er. if there is no hospital, if there are not er, those infrastructures where you can live, the next factor is, one way or another, winter is near, there are a lot of people who they don't have a home, they have to wait for the end of the war and live on the

streets now, no. so what else is the quick reconstruction of the necessary things? i'm just now the second fact , your question is, is it necessary to compete now? uh document these war crimes and present them to russia later in the international tribunal and in order to know the real situation because uh, don't think that they will give us any money without showing the real situation of the destruction. and by the way, what er, very different numbers are called, they are sometimes not confirmed by anything, it does not characterize ukraine well, and therefore calculations are absolutely necessary just now, and finally, is ukraine really now in the epicenter of destruction, i would deny why if we see the scale destructions, we will compare them, let's say, with the second world war with massive carpet bombings that took place, for example, which the

german army carried out in britain and so on , we will see that today the russian army can no longer cause large-scale destruction to ukraine, what kind of large-scale destruction is this after which during the week ukrainian energy workers restore practically their er all energy facilities er of course people die this is a war of course they will shoot and i think they will shoot for weeks and not months, and most likely years, the russian federation has been falling apart for a long time, it will already cease to exist as a political unit. and some scumbags will continue to shoot what they find in old warehouses just to take revenge, the plot of the strugatskyi novel, now mr. valery, you are teaching nothing like that. you can remember what i say and we will come back with you in a few years because you see that russia is systematically implementing the plots of hoverl, sorokin's tangle of chaff, why not it

implement the plots of other writers who spoke against authoritarianism, everything that was written in the 20th century against authoritarianism, they turned it into a guide to action on a kind of textbooks of what needs to be implemented in russia. i think that many more novels will be written about this in 300 years. people will not understand how this could happen in the 21st century. no, after 300 years they may ask how could this happen in the 24th century, you don't have to be a romantic, but i want to tell you that maybe we will be fixed somehow, what if the russian the federation as a political entity is disintegrating , it ceases to be a country that will shoot missiles at ukraine in this situation, it is possible that the tambov region will shoot at yaroslavl, and here there are a number of actually two options uh, well, more precisely , if you take everything in general, there are three options for the development of events in to the russian federation or as a result of the coup d'états of the apostles, a coup d'état is a

common thing for russia, it has happened in them many times, and it is through coup d'états that usually in russia the power is transferred in those cases when a leader does not die his own death and in principle sometimes he is helped to die some kind of death by a palace coup is a traditional way of transferring power for russia, this is what is called path dependence , dependence on the furrow, the effect of the furrow of the sold path or as a result of such a coup d'état and the struggle of the so-called towers of the kremlin, eh, we see putin 2:0, and putin 3:0, eh, as a result of which the desire of the russians to fight with ukraine increases, well, obviously desire does not mean ability, it is already ability their less than six months ago, but the scenario of screwing the nuts is possible in russia, this is what girkin, the russian military commander, and the russian nazis, and many other people are actually writing about. who today accuse putin

of not being able to effectively wage a war against ukraine, and the second scenario is a scenario when uh, russia is beginning to fall apart, uh, it's very similar to 1917-18. when, let me remind you, dozens, if not hundreds, of state associations were formed on the territory of russia, which all fought among themselves, uh, and only the bolsheviks drove them away with an iron hand, and then not everyone was chased away, poland was released, finland was released, ukraine was deceived, and so on, and this means bloody chaos, which, unfortunately, is not a positive scenario for ukraine, because it means the uncontrolled spread of the term weapons, it means the fall of missile weapons into the hands of someone whatever this means millions of refugees, part of them - these are just bandits with weapons and so on. this

is the second scenario, and it is just as negative for ukraine. the scenario is positive for ukraine. it is a scenario of controlled transformation. of the russian post of the imperial space, as it happened in 1991, at the time of severe civil wars, literally with a few relatively small conflicts, the dismantling of the soviet union was carried out. by the way, i have a table book that i recommend to all our viewers . "what is the name of the last empire, the history of 1991 from january to december, how the soviet union ceased to exist, will now be approximately the same, of course , at first on several other factors that are now a it is the military defeat that did not happen in 1991, the incredibly harsh economic sanctions. well, of course, russia will not be asked about 15 subjects, but an unspecified number, perhaps dozens, and today in russia

national movements, regionalist movements are raising their heads, which the offices of this disintegration have long been discussed and if the disintegration of russia is inevitable and it is inevitable if we take the whole set of factors and it carries with it unacceptable risks for ukraine and these risks are also unacceptable for europe and the united states america, an inevitable process that carries unacceptable risks must obviously be controlled, this means that the national republics, the new national states, must receive the maximum help from the international community in the peaceful settlement of the conflict between themselves, unfortunately, they have numerous conflicts between themselves, and across national borders were carried out at random, and it is better to say specially carried out in such a way as to cause numerous conflicts. well, we know that, and part of such conflicts still flares up on turner of the former soviet union many more such mines are laid in er the borders of the

subjects of the russian federation, which, as you perfectly understand, the federation is only in words, not at all ukrainians for hundreds of years, we should understand this very well. we were also oppressed for hundreds of years, russified, deprived of language, culture , and were also driven to imperial wars of aggression. ukrainians fought in wars of aggression against other nations, and now these nations are fighting in that some of them live here in ukraine already now under forced mobilization, and the ukrainian slogan since the mid -80s remains unchanged for our freedom and yours, obviously this is the slogan that guided the ukrainian parliament when it recently adopted i would say an epoch-making decision to support the decolonization of russia and support the oppressed colonized peoples this is an interesting discussion, valery . i am even ready to continue because i remember very well the year 1991 and we were all guided then by a

paradigm that consisted in the fact that the russians did not make up the majority in the soviet union and that is why they cannot resist the collapse of the empire, on the contrary , they are even ready to lead this craft in order to get rid of the great nations of the soviet union, who are given the opportunity to act as they would like to act, at least this was the position of the russian leadership itself, but in modern russia, 85% of russians as far as these peoples of the russian federation, which for the most part do not even make up the vast majority of their subjects in the so -called federation, can be as strong an alternative to the empire as the ukrainians were to their land, the belarusians in the end, the kazakhs. by the way, i am now naming the peoples who were absolutely not ready for independence until about august 1991. their own history led them to this. well, well, but the lithuanians, the estonians, the georgians, the armenians, the azerbaijanis, and the moldovans, they

were more ready . no less, the vast majority of moldovan people were there, 80% of moldovans were lithuanians, somewhere around 70% were lithuanians , somewhere around 55% in latvia, these are big numbers, and with your permission, i will remind you that tatarstan has adopted the declaration of statehood and independence, etc in 1991-1992, he held a referendum in which two-thirds of the citizens of tatarstan voted for independence, that is, legally, he has all the reasons. the declaration of state sovereignty from valerian was adopted by everyone, well, practically, yes, practically everyone, there were a few exceptions, and according to the official census, 22% of the population of russia are not ethnic russians, in fact , this figure is almost double, according to experts

we no longer have to get used to the fact that many people are registered in russian during the census in order not to preserve their civil rights, the same was the case in ukraine, and i want to remind you that if you remember the 1991s well, the ukrainians also at that time they were considered completely unprepared for independence. yes , we had bright leaders who, for many years in camps, paid for their beliefs, and today we do not know much about similar leaders of national movements. uh but i want to remind you that the dismantling of the soviet empire was not carried out by national democrats, not by dissidents , not by people who sat in camps and prisons for their beliefs, and this dismantling was carried out by old managerial elites such as leonid makarovich

kravchuk, and where new managerial people came to power, for example, in azerbaijan or georgia, they were very quickly replaced by the old elites, again , in certain republics, those old people were still in power until recently. so, it is not the national democrats who will dismantle russia into parts, it will be done by those local leaders who in situations when moscow is no longer a source of money security and order and stability and is a source of moneylessness instability disorder and danger all situations trying to preserve at least something these people will begin to announce their own new independent states they will not be great democrats eh but er, so what is different. part of these newly formed states, at least the part that is located on european territory. it accepts the

international rules of the game. er, one more thing. will wear new identities in a few years, we now see that in the northern caucasus, where there were once independent lands of the cossack troops, the old cossack identities that existed there for hundreds of years and were completely destroyed by the soviet authorities in in the 20th century, we do not know what the siberians will call themselves. in 3-4 years, maybe they will not be russian siberians, and one more important thing is why these identities will manifest themselves. repentance in russia is impossible for a number of reasons, first of all, because there is no christian tradition there, which means that

tens of millions of people will say i am not russian to get out of the trap of collective responsibility into which all, without exception, today's citizens of russia have fallen, through a very simple model. - and we will see it literally in the next decade. maybe even sooner. thank you, mr. valery, a very interesting forecast that we will all still have to see . during the call, they talked to him about the future of russian post-persian statehood. and now we have ivan krympochtenzadze on the call, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union. greetings , mrs. ivano. good evening. well, let's start with a question that many ukrainians have now the people's republic of china and the arab republic of egypt are obviously worried, and the arab republic of egypt has announced that they are urging their citizens to leave ukraine as soon as possible, and now many are saying that perhaps beijing and cairo know something that the west does not. capitals about the immediate intentions of the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, and therefore call on their citizens to leave the borders of

ukraine or this is just a protocol a-a well, you know, i think that you and i have seen during these more than eight months the reaction of western states and their actions e based on the intelligence information they had, i would actually focus on how they are behaving today in this situation, and if we do not see any additional changes and movements, then the actions of china and egypt a should not be considered as such that should make ukrainian citizens extra nervous, what do direct , well, direct, er, their actions, er, definitely mean. and there are also reasons to believe that the russian federation has provided some kind of additional information, er, to these

countries, which store with it much more, uh, my friend takes me than other countries of the world. at the same time, i don't think that this is some kind of turning point to which we should pay such attention. let's return to the topic of european integration. we know that after ukraine received the status of candidate scientist the european union had quite optimistic expectations regarding, first of all, the terms of ukraine's implementation verification and those conditions that were set by the european commission in order for ukraine to retain its candidate status. and it is absolutely obvious that without verification of these conditions, without such an inspection , preliminary talks regarding ukraine's negotiations cannot even begin with the european union , it will simply be. the eu cannot, as far as i understand, even begin the monitoring of ukrainian legislation, which is traditional before the process begins negotiations, however

, began after the visit of the european commissioner for enlargement to kyiv, he said that they are more cautious about when the negotiations can start , they are already saying that the big success is the end of 2023, and many say that this is the situation precisely because, in fact, the euro commissioner is talking about by the mordon government and that he is artificially slowing down all these processes, to what extent these theories are not conspiratorial . and you know, with the arrival of the european commissioner, the vargas and probably somewhere more realistic began to sound, er, some separate evaluations of individual ukrainian authorities regarding the future process of the start of negotiations, and, in fact, evaluations of the european commission on the fulfillment of the conditions that were given to us in connection with the identification of ukraine as a candidate country for the european union in its reports in

in his message to the ukrainian authorities, it was said that only somewhere probably in the second half of 2023, the european commission will be able to assess how effectively ukraine has fulfilled these seven points, and if you and i understand that they are separate points, well were determined. actually speaking, the possibility of their implementation was determined for sure for weeks or months at the most, some of them are much more voluminous . as regards the anti-corruption e-e policy and that which concerns the improvement of the work of law enforcement and security agencies of ukraine and here e-e if e-e we

hear that it is not enough let’s say to adopt a strategy of a-e anti-corruption policy in ukraine and it is necessary implement and implement it and show it er can the results of its implementation er into life and here it is important that the ukrainian authorities receive a clear list of those er determinants of such elements by which the progress of ukraine will be evaluated, besides that we are now waiting and should take into account how the state in its legislative field should take into account the recommendations of the venice commission at least of the three draft laws that are being considered in the verkhovna rada of ukraine today, and it is important that the speed should not be the defining feature of this process, namely the quality and speed of the combination, can be a guarantee of our success and possibly speed up this process of the

start of negotiations, and sometime at the end of october, we should receive a decision of the venice commission on the draft law that concerns the media and the draft law that concerns the selection of judges to the constitutional court well and actually speaking according to the law eh regarding the so-called de-oligarchization and all these or should we then take into account in our work the legislative ones, we will see what the eh conclusions will be and eh on the basis of these conclusions and the european commission's assessment of the same law on media, we should move on, this is not an easy process and this process involves the involvement of many players. this is the involvement of many players, and not a behind-the-scenes decision to develop this or that. uh, a bill or this or that decision is very much lacking at the moment, what kind of timeline is there for such integration? let

's do it, i'll try to imagine it realistically, let's say at the end of 2023 evaluates how ukraine coped with these conditions well, let's assume that you agree with the fact that ukraine has coped, that ukraine remains a candidate for membership of the european union, what will happen next, ukraine will receive a new list of things on the basis of which, as a matter of fact, membership negotiations can be opened you know, i would like to a-a think that ukraine will er-e move starting in the european union at approximately er-a speed as how can it be defined as the average speed of er-e of how it was inflicted on different countries and this is about 7 years and it is for sure the most realistic plan and opportunity for ukraine to go from application to

real membership in the european union, because now it is quite difficult for us to build our capacity in all institutions , starting from the ministry and ending in the apparatus of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and i see that there is no particular appetite either, but in order for us to have specialists at all levels who could, you know, serve as the backbone of the state's ability to move through simple processes that are foreseen actually the movement towards membership from the beginning of the negotiations to the fulfillment of the conditions for each chapter of the negotiations and evaluation and monitoring of the process, how do we implement it and, therefore, what are the correct time frames for all this, in principle optimistic pessimistically i really do not like to name specific dates because the fact that any specific date

depends and the result depends on a large number of indicators and it is obvious that this is primarily a lot that depends on how military events will develop and when we will be able to achieve victories will be positive from that real setting and not only the declarative setting to fulfill the further conditions of the advancement of ukraine to the european union and the real work in the interaction of all branches of government and civil society of business structures in order to advance further along this path well, obviously, it will depend on the political composition and from the actions of individual member states of the european union in parallel it is quite possible that we can expect that a certain reform will also take place in the coming years and within the european union, about which a large number of politicians have just begun to talk about the fact that certain things that will concern

the adoption of joint decisions will not require consensus, but in the european union, well, for this case, at the moment, i think that after all, consensus will be provided for all decisions regarding the expansion and the subsequent inclusion of new members, but here you and i may potentially have a problem. when one or another member of the european union, a country is a member of the european the union will decide to take advantage of ukraine's efforts to join the european community and to put a stick in the wheel on far-fetched grounds. this is roughly what i see that could potentially happen with the adoption of the bill on the machine nation, which is also among the conditions of our application and uh, potentially, we know

how many such wheel sticks hungary has already put us in our interaction with nato and the european union for far-fetched reasons, allegedly under the guise of precisely the national minority and i suspect that this process will continue. well, how the tools of the european union have affected such countries as hungary. so, this is an interesting moment. what is the race in essence now not just, it is not just blocking these actions, it is waiting for others to appear and there are still some governments that will be able to block after the parliamentary elections in italy, we may have surprises in that direction as well, and what to do, well, first of all, with regard to hungary, we see increasing dissatisfaction with the behavior of other member states of the european union in general hungary does not comply with its a-a basic rules and e basic values ​​of the european union in terms

of ensuring freedom of speech and democratic freedoms and there is a separate process on how to deprive hungary of significant over 7.5 billion aid or access to the resources of the european union, which is also critical necessary for hungary, it is quite likely that certain these are the tools that are used today, they can influence to some extent the further behavior of hungary well, but this does not mean that we should just isolate ourselves there and not to try to find people with whom you can have a constructive dialogue, with whom you can update, with whom you can explain and actually , sometimes, put joint pressure on one or another member of the european union if he abuses the tools they have at their disposal. i

think that this is exactly how we need to approach the actions of the next actions of the italian government well, we will see according to the development of events that we will need to do what they are saying now that expansion to the east is becoming a priority the european union spoke about this, in particular, the federal canzo role in that this is a change of position and the question arises as to how much this change of position will remain post after the hostilities are over , at least go, so to speak, the most heated situation, well, for sure, you and i understand that this is a serious change in general, and - and um, well, such an approach , including the politics of germany's eastern policy in recent times, from skepticism in relation to any general expansion of the european union to uh, well, here are such statements regarding the priority of expansion to the east a-a i i think that in order for this to be such a

serious change that will not be swayed by these or other moments, i will develop into further events, we still have to work a lot, because we see that a lot has been achieved in changing the politics of germany, but at the moment, this is all happening due to the active and courageous actions of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian armed forces, and actually speaking, the barbaric behavior of the russian federation, which inevitably leads to the fact that siding with russia is a moveton today at least in the free world, and therefore now it can be fixed, but it is obvious that russia does not lose hope of using its useful idiots and paid-off individual

players, perhaps marginalized for today. no, and in germany and in the same france in the same, for example, even in the united states of america and so on, so it is still too early to relax, to simply hope that this is a policy that will not be subject to a attacks and b, maybe a certain question, thank you mrs. ivanna ivana klimpus-sensad for the people's deputy the head of ukraine's committee on ukraine's integration into the european union was on our air, we talked about how european integration in our country should look like in the near future years ago, it is obvious that ukraine's accession to the european union after the war is one of the most ambitious tasks for the ukrainian state and for our people, who of course deserve the

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