and millions of people live in this ether of this completely distorted world from this conspiracy theory, moreover, there are quite a few candidates for congress from the republican party now who absolutely openly repeat themselves with this conspiracy theory, that is, in my opinion, this is one of the biggest problems of today of the world, this populism and the trust of a very large number of people, well, polish slogans are absolutely without, without critical analysis, that this will be a populist. and tell mr. igor, do you understand the scheme of behavior of ilona mask with the reason he was there first was the peace plan, then he refused to finance the stalinists, and then the fact that he again agreed to finance them, the majority of ordinary ukrainians, they do not really follow ilon's career, the mask in the political plane , he is also one of the heroes of the day, you know, for them that

a person has a lot of money, he comes up with incredible initiatives there and therefore is perceived as something there. the truth in the last instance is that it is generally quite er characteristic of societies that are outside the united states and not very understands the reality and still, even there is. to be honest, even in this situation, i did not expect such a frank from the mask, i said mockery of reality. but it seems to me that even for him it is too much for me . expect this because, well, elon musk, well, he is a talented person, he is a millionaire, he came to invest money, as you know, in such high-tech projects, that is, on the one hand, he does a lot of useful things, he promotes scientific and technological achievements, but at the same time elon maske is a person in his actions, very, very correctly

, in his views, so his vision of the world corresponds to this right, right, modern, right coordinate system. the fact is that the world has changed over the past 30 years. we used to, before, well, many of us. well, i think that when we we were there with you when we were very young. we were there, let's say we, we all loved ronaldrey, the people loved american affairs, the republic, because that's how they were then, they were with communism, we considered communism our opponents, they didn't really sincerely fight this communism, but communism today has not changed. well, there is communist china, which does not obey today's rules. by the way, such an opponent as the soviet union, and russia in general, is a communist country. many american affairs consider russia to be so white and christian. let's understand her. let's be friends with her. from this point

of view, what is expressed by elon musk well, this is quite a typical point of view of americans who are not far-right, just people with practical views, well, the world should be arranged like this, so i read that as, let's say, i understand the duties of the prime minister , roman ot. let's agree that a few strong men will share from between. next, we will make money, uh, we will make our money there, russian millionaires will make their money, chinese millionaires, communists will make their money and not let's interfere with each other, let's divide the world into such spheres of influence, this is really how i feel, well, but here is musk, what is he like, he is not alone, there are many. why, why do i say that if we win in the

word, there will be dances of elections and congresses. there more ultra-right, when you will be like elon musk, well, well, today i will give more money to a partisan. and tomorrow we will think, maybe tomorrow i will go there and such an opposition. she is cynical, unfortunately, she is such a position and a departure from american values, a departure from values, freedom of departure from the values ​​of liberal democracy, but it is not, unfortunately, this position is not only a mask - it is the position of many americans in matters of opinion today . are you sure that this is connected with the fact that the world has changed? it seems to me that henry ford was a man much more talented than elon the mask in terms of his industrial inventions inventions well he eventually i created the conveyor belt that launched the entire world economy as it is but he was an anti-semitic man who was essentially ideologically

close to the german nazis he treated adolf hitler with respect it's much worse than before vladimir putin, although it's unknown, it seems the same to me now. i think it's definitely the same now. well, ford was very, he held very right-wing views, in fact, uh, he, uh, he i thought, well, absolutely, he was really nice, just like because of linberg, the same times, uh, there were, especially, a whole big right-wing current, this is, by the way, it reminds me of the same thing that is done among the american rules, uh now uh, then they were sympathizers of hitler, today they are well, i don’t know if you can call them putin sympathizers, they are simply sympathizers of such a right of authoritarian power, the right, the right of the strong, to settle down from so that this is the power that dominates him, so that all the strong eh so that they set the rules according to which the world

almost live by what other countries and other peoples should live by. well, here is my view. and what has changed? i think the fatigue is that in today's world, unlike the world, let's say, 40 years ago, there is no global conflict between the free world and the communism that was then communism was voiced by the voice of the soviet union, and its satellites , the world, the united states, and, in general, the western world was the world, the world of soviet communism, there is no soviet communism now, the west generally decided 30 years ago that well, he won the cold war and now everything will be everything will be completely different eh and it turned out differently so that eh, instead of soviet communism in russia

, a dictatorship like this was formed . russian policy is very similar to the policy of nazi germany, well, the world has changed everything, but the american right has lost- having lost an adversary in the person of soviet communism, well, they decided that surely they can agree on something with putin, they can share the world is with him well, actually, trump trump was the personification of just that, when he came to power, he already i think he sincerely believed that he and putin could agree on dividing the world into spheres of influence , uh, and in english, and here are two of them, as i say a tool, they will decide what and how what and how it should be in the world. this is the problem

of today's world, in my opinion, because this is this . in fact, this is this. we will look at our idea of ​​liberal democracy from the people of freedom. thank you , mr. ihor ihor eisenberg is a professor in new york of the university, we were in touch during this information hour on espresso. i sincerely thank you once again and i will try to answer the questions of the dear viewers . in the higher echelons of power, did the resistance of the ukrainians to the invaders come as a surprise to the kremlin?

however, in principle, i believe that the agent network in ukraine is sufficiently extensive, if only because there is a huge number of agents left to us as a legacy from soviet times, when these people worked for the state security committee of the soviet union and quite often directly to moscow itself and not to kyiv. because kyiv is only a branch of the union kgb and certainly in the future the state security committee of the soviet union, which turned into the federal security service of the russian federation engaged in the systematic looting of agents at all levels of the ukrainian state. i don't think that this is for you. this is some kind of sensation for you. the security service of the russian federation was simply located at the same address where the security service of ukraine was located during kuchma

's time and during yanukovych's time. and it is absolutely obvious that a huge number of these people remain in special services and in power and in society and in the journalistic environment, and the question is only that they can now realize that their connection with moscow is no longer necessary for them, that it is dangerous for them, but there are people who are professional russian intelligence officers who are working in order to get rid of this gangrene, the joint work of the ukrainian special services with the measures of the special services will take years, or did they become a surprise for the kremlin ? i remind you that the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, and his entourage accepted the results of the 2019 presidential election as the victory of the party of capitulation over the party of war, this did not correspond to reality, but they perceived it that way, they were absolutely sure that the people who

voted for volodymyr zelensky voted for volodymyr putin in surrender to by vladimir putin, when the new president of ukraine essentially refused such a capitulation after his first and last meeting with his russian counterpart in paris, putin decided that zelensky betrayed his voters and it is enough that the russian army entered the territory of ukraine as the ukrainian government will fall and the ukrainians will greet the invaders with flowers by the way, the huge reason for the crimes committed by the russian army in the occupied territories is what we call the big word bucha was that the russian invaders simply were stunned by the fact that the people they considered their own showed no affection for them and therefore became an absolutely obvious mouse for their crimes because they did not just kill them, they also took revenge on them today's

russian federation perceives them as traitors to the russian world as traitors, and this applies not only to putin, but also to a large number of russians, the entire ukrainian people and sees nothing immoral in the fact that this people should be expelled from their native places and destroyed if they commit resistance therefore, this conflict is existential, therefore, on the political map of the world , there will never be these two states of democratic ukraine and putin's russia, only one can remain, and that is why it is so important to defeat putin's russia for the sake of the survival of the ukrainian nation on its ancient lands, why did putin measure medvedchuk from the point of view of the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, viktor medvedchuk, in the future, the president of ukraine of that ukraine that should be annexed to russia. it looked like until recently putin was going to e-e in february to bring some kind of puppet to power, are you the government of

yanukovych or not yanukovych ? but this government should also hold referendums on the territories of eastern and southern ukraine, these territories should have joined the russian federation directly, and the territory that would have remained linguistic ukraine should have joined as a small state, several regions , only central ones, because putin sincerely believed that the western regions can be given to these theaters, the state connected with belarus should become part of some new union state there and then finally unite with the russian federation, well it was such a plan in several steps, several steps to restore historical russia, i don't know how much putin needs it now and how much medvedchuk should now play the role of bohdan khmelnytskyi, but the question remains, of course , because we simply don't know the plans there, they

change all the time yuriy shevchenko obverse of medals iran will probably supply ballistic missiles to russia reverse the west wants a nuclear oil agreement with iran how likely is the dry balance that we receive sanctions against the manufacturer of the supplier of these missiles no the state of iran, and ukraine, long-range attack cams and israeli opponents, and we will part ways on that, i cannot say this because the question of whether the west will agree to sign any agreements in the morning if iran supplies missiles to russia is a very conditional issue, it may happen that there is no agreement between early and late it will not happen, this is also an absolute reality, the more so this reality is fueled by the current uprising in iran because this uprising convinces the western intelligence communities that it is possible to the iranians should not negotiate but finish off the ato regime and this is a much more pragmatic way out of the situation than negotiating with the islamic republic, this must be

clearly understood and it is possible that now in principle such measures may be adopted and the wounds live under sanctions, these are not dense sanctions, he is under these paltry sanctions it has been in existence for ten years, and by the way, i always remind you of this when they say that the russian economy will collapse tomorrow if iran survives, then russia can survive and survive for years in poverty, the absence of credit cards, the absence of western money for the majority of the population, but iran lives in the absence of normal planes, but iran lives in the absence of modern weapons, but iran produces weapons that are not modern, but sufficient for the russian federation for terrorism and to implement the territory of ukraine, so sanctions are quite often when it comes to authoritarian regimes they don't do that result for some hope of a democratic society

, because a democratic society thinks we could not live like this for a year, and iran can and russia can for a year, so i don't think that we will be able to do anything like this we will diverge as soon as possible and the rank will be supplied from russian missiles, russia will bombard ukrainian territory with these missiles even after the end of the war, maybe the iranian regime will fall and then the supply of weapons will stop, this is more likely and i would say a more optimal result for us, but this is all just me i'm saying that it all starts, oh, to ignore half of the moscow patriarchate is to allow enemy spy networks to operate in the country. do you think it is possible to ban the activities of the moscow patriarchate? patriarchy, it is at the legislative level. this is especially relevant during the war. the ukrainian orthodox church adopted certain decisions that make it completely administratively independent from the moscow patriarchate. how realistic is this decision from a canonical point of view?

from a canonical point of view, the uoc remains a part of the russian orthodox church . it was not such a part from the legal point of view if you see in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate hundreds thousands, if by millions, a million, this is also a reality , you cannot ignore this reality. i understand that many people do not want to notice the reality in which we are and in which are our compatriots who go to churches, which until recently commemorated patriarch kirill, now they stop by the way, you will notice that patriarch kirill is now annexing entire canonical territories, which he considered to be canonical territories of the ukrainian orthodox church, taking the diocese directly under the direct authority of the moscow diocese, and this will also continue in the occupied territories. the uoc will simply be a direct russian church, but we have a lot of people who are ready to agree that moscow will be here with the capital. there are not a few of them.

of course, they do not spread their positions now. they understand that this is, to put it mildly, not popular among the majority of their compatriots. but what these people remained and what not. they can lead a strong party to the parliament, you will see in the next parliamentary elections, it is obvious that this party will not be called the party of putin's friends, it will be called the party of peace and constructivism, but this the party will claim a huge number of people's votes, including those people who left the territory of ukraine, will go and vote for this party in the embassy, ​​believing that only agreements with moscow will allow them to return home, and i want you to understand this because if you you will live in some kind of plasticine i don't know there, marzipan ukraine, how have you lived for years, you get a certain result, unfortunately, you have to live in a real ukraine, where people who wanted ukrainian

statehood never made up the majority the majority of citizens are going, this majority is only now under rocket fire under the destruction of the state at the cost of the lives of our compatriots, the fact that they are giving their lives at the front is only being created and it is unknown whether it will be created at all and we must do everything possible so that the ukrainians come out of this war a nation of statesmen who do not believe in an empty space chatter that understands the price of identity is the only way out survive after the war because it will be the most difficult the pope called the use of weapons immoral is it not too late francis to peter who is putin? how do you feel about the version that putin can hide his fortune? i am not a fan of conspiracy theory and i always treat everyone who, er, expresses conspiratorial opinions with a certain irony . saw nothing

sensational at the beginning, the pope is a typical latin american priest, he is argentinian and not european cardinal, a huge number of latin american countries treat the conflict between russia and ukraine either neutrally or indifferently or many people support moscow, this is also a reality. we want to tell ourselves that the whole civilized world supports us, but the civilized world does not necessarily always consist of the global cock and of latin america. in argentina, people who, until recently, completely sincerely sympathized with the kremlin, now frankly do not. are made, but general sympathies did not go anywhere, and the pope grew up in such a social atmosphere in an atmosphere of anti-imperialism and the perception of moscow as the vanguard of this anti-realism, so it is very difficult for him, he is elderly a person like argentina has to rebuild his

consciousness and he cannot rebuild it to the end , he reacts, he tries to react. as a priest, but he does not realize the main values ​​that caused this conflict, this is a huge problem . in the global south it will not be otherwise and ukraine and poland remain the last bastions of such i would say church or catholicism or orthodoxy and greek-catholicism in modern europe the time for such a perception of the church in these countries is coming to an end. i think we have seen it in our lifetime. where will the center of religiosity be in africa, in latin america, in asia, to a certain extent less because there are few catholics, let's say, and there will be such

pontiffs, there will be no others because what has passed the time of the church's dominance in europe. someday it will end in latin america as well, but not in our lifetime, obviously sometime in africa, but this is a gradual process, but our continent is not a continent that the catholic church can consider its bastion, its bastion - this is latin america, the whole world looks at us and our military with admiration, thanks to whom exactly or to whom exactly what is happening to us on counteroffensive for alkaline syrian kovalchuk vorobyov, do you know them personally, what do you think of their military talent? i am not familiar with any russian ukrainian military personality, never his because as i am not a military expert i have never sought such familiarity i do not know thanks to whom exactly we succeed in

continapsul because i repeat i am not a military expert i do not think it is important at all important the collective efforts of the ukrainian military command, of course, a very important role is played by the team and the armed forces are played by these generals who are in the most important areas of the front, and from this situation it is very important that these people could continue their activities and after the end of hostilities, the collection of hostilities did not end, because during the next war with russia, if ukraine does not join nato, it will be the most urgent problem of our lives with you in the coming years, if for ten years, and it is very important for us to have strong military talent, it is very important that we are always ready for a threat that will be existential for years, it is very important that we spend real money on the army on military education, we just need to understand that ukraine can physically exist only if it becomes a fortress or if it joins the nato then

all these problems will not be very important as they are or of course if the dictatorship there dares to start a third world war with or without the use of a nuclear component well then of course the ukrainian the army will be among those armies that will be the first to fight back in this terrible world war, it can also be we live in such a world, but let's hope that they are not so crazy, because the russians are running away from mobilization for capturing georgia, kazakhstan and other neighboring states that did not close to them borders, is there any danger that in this way the peace of the russians spread to their territories without armed means? first of all, many people will leave for other countries . they are waiting for mobilization there, this does not significantly change the situation in these countries in terms of population, thirdly - it can be in any case only a temporary situation, i do not see any real threats from this point

of view in general, i believe that the more countries would accept russians fleeing from the war, the less opportunities there were for vladimir putin to carry out e-e mobilization, on the contrary, we should do everything possible to help people who do not want to fight with ukraine in general, who do not want to fight in the russian army to give them the opportunity to flee from russia, because in reality this resource is not without borders. we say , well, three fled there, 500,000, so he will easily collect another 300. no, it is not easy. illusions, of course, this is absolutely in our interests and, incidentally, in the interests of the countries of central asia, because after the war with ukraine , this country will join russia next.

a cemetery for the whole section, will people want to return to where they could see only the west, of course , because mariupol must be rebuilt. what about kyiv is a cemetery for entire families? in kyiv, they destroyed the entire jewish population of the cities and thousands of other people. this is a collective cemetery. my grandmother never visited spare me the ravine where her closest relatives are buried, but somehow she lived in kyiv all her life and there were a huge number of such people. i understand that kyiv changed after the second world war in that the majority of the population of kyiv are former kyivans, they are people who they came from the surrounding cities, settled in the village, they do not really understand the city history of, say , kyiv, but believe me, kyiv is a cemetery and every european city is a cemetery after the second world war, in fact, if people did not rebuild cities that became cemeteries, there would be no place in the world for new cities, the opposite is true, precisely because mariupol is such a suffering city, it must be rebuilt for the sake of life,

always remembering its history, as well as the history of any other city on ukrainian land, which uh, timati snyder called most of the cities in ukraine bloody lands - they are collective cemeteries throughout their history, nothing else would have happened if you had stayed in moscow. whoever you became as an oppositionist would bend or bend under the regime and why couldn't your colleagues with whom we started to counteract the regime, what do you think about the hub of debensky, oleg menshikov, does it mean that the actor was unconscious , first of all, yes, i would have stayed in moscow, i did not stay, i am a citizen of ukraine, not the russian federation , citizens of the russian federation have never been a i have always been a ukrainian citizen who lived in moscow as a journalist credited to the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, so you do not understand why i should bend under a regime that is not mine but the regime of a foreign state. the second point is

even in the situation when i was a ukrainian citizen and journalists i uh never worked in sales with uh about state media since the 90s. i was blacklisted by this media television from about 95-96 and after the second term of vladimir putin i was blacklisted of the list of gazelle russian periodicals. i remember very well the situation when one of my colleagues tried to print my text in the columns of a respectable newspaper. i think it was out of 200 and the entire international department of this newspaper said that it was generally a text on an international topic. he will put a resignation letter on the desk of the editor-in-chief of the newspaper if my article appears in this publication. well, what's the point? what should i do when all my journalistic work in the russian federation is evidence of what i was thinking about uh, the russian regime regarding when

vladimir putin became its leader or the times of the first and second chechen wars. so i don’t understand this question at all. and my colleagues are citizens of russia and they are uh, who did i start with, they behave absolutely adequately, such people there are also a lot of them, and the rest well, i'll tell you why, because, first of all, money, and secondly, many of these people were agents of the russian special services who simply played a certain role in uh, these russian journalists, this is also absolutely obvious , and then they simply could not play all these games to democracy or a third job for the oligarchs is a disease that began in the 90s in russia and then moved to ukraine so instead of asking what is happening to my russian colleagues, you could ask me what is happening to my ukrainian colleagues, what happened to my ukrainian colleagues who never had to feel what we felt in moscow, but who behaved no less morally than the russian

adaptation . by the audience that they are lying, they repented because they did so on the screen and then continued to lie after that and then repent again. i think they will still repent, so instead of asking what happened to russian journalists, i sincerely advise you to ask what happened to us ourselves in this country so that we in conditions when we were never beaten as it was in russia behaved in a journalistic manner in a political environment. it didn't end in such an immoral way because this channel does not have a digital network. why are you talking about you don't think so, this is a huge threat to our future, but you know, i will say goodbye to you on this, i will pass on the word to our news service, it will be in a more calm state then, and it is not in omelnik, you will now be offered the news release of this day and this hour, good luck, friends