this blow will have to be limited then, i.e. the operation to fasten it, you remember there it was in the 18th year but that was a week ago we had it there in march , but here if you fasten it somewhere in january or february it will be uncomfortable here the result, that is, i'm just saying this about the fuel and energy palace, that's why there's no need to mix everything in a heap and here's what i have a claim against the government. it is definitely unacceptable for you, well, at such a time as for me. thank you, mr. oleksiy oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine. we will win first. deputy chairman of the committee on energy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, after all. ukraine in the lungs excuse me in the winter

pavlo latushka diplomat deputy chairman of the united transitional cabinet of belarusians we have on air congratulations i congratulate you well, let's start with today's question oleksandr lukashenko made an unexpected pacifist speech that people are dying, that we need to agree, that we need to stop the war, what is it with him, and what's more, he just met with putin last time, so this is a coordinated statement, why does lukashenka make such statements ? no, i don't think that this is something coordinated this application of the same kind makes sense, he once said that only the americans can stop the war , now he added the british here and spoke about the fact that it is possible to stop seven people at the negotiating table, that ukraine, eh, you hear it well in me, yes, very well yes, yes, ukraine made a mistake by refusing to negotiate when we understand that. why did these

negotiations not come to a conclusion ? there is a question about what the negotiations are lukashenko does not agree on, all of this he works on the domestic side, but he does not work even on the americans, he does not work on the western audience, he works on the belarusians he constantly wants to show that he is for peace and friendship, but he is feeding ukrainians, 450 or 500 of whom are fleeing ukraine for their lives. on the other hand , those who run away from what kills the russians , he also helps them, that is, there is some kind of false logic and some kind of animalistic perception of everything, so i would really appreciate his words here, and how does

all this connect with the fact that lukashenko recently already admitted that belarus is participating in the war with ukraine. well, they and putin are called special operations, well, the more you see, this confirms real words and real actions, after all, lukashenko says one thing and he does the other. let's look at the facts. he gave the territory of belarus to the military infrastructure, he provides it to zero russian shells enter the territory of belarus today, all telegram channels are already showing this video eh lukashenko is a complete and absolute ally of the russian federation and all the questions about him fumbles must be perceived only from the point of view of why he does it, he does it from the point of view of the internal situation in belarus, for him the priority is to preserve power, and he proves to putin that i cannot go further and more only because of the fact that internally it can

cause certain protests uh, there is no understanding in society. and this creation is a threat to him, his power , because more than 100 belarusians do not support him, he is afraid of this, more than anything, this is what they are now saying about the transfer of uh, to belarus russian missiles and even the re-equipment of the russian su-25 aircraft so that they could carry nuclear charges. political career eh and thought that nuclear weapons left the territory of belarus as part of the budapest memorandum, he believed that this was a political mistake, then the leadership of belarus forced him to fulfill the first years of his stay in power

he dreamed of returning the nuclear weapon and it is provided for him shats is purely such a terrible internal ambitious plan, it is not a plan of desire to satisfy his own arrogance, i have nuclear weapons, well, in reality, this is necessary in order to guarantee his very existence of power for life, he believes that the presence of nuclear weapons in belorussia, if it were, for example, under his control, guarantees him the preservation of power until the last day of his existence on this earth. the transfer that was already announced at the un tonight, european time, as the first deputy of the representative of russia in the organization of mines of the nations, transfers from the launchers, which will be able to carry nuclear charges, also the modernization of the existing su-25 is not all the creation of a threat, the second is a possible shield for a

nuclear umbrella for deploying the russian armed forces on the territory of belarus, this is in case ukraine decides to attack a concentration of russian troops before a possible e-e at a specific stage at a specific stage repeated пропытный входжение on the territory of ukraine of the north and this, including how he continues to consider it for him, is also a guarantee of security that no one will dare to overthrow him from the throne because nuclear weapons are located on the territory of belarus. so there are 4 factors at work here. please tell me , mr. pavly kontr - a terrorist operation has been announced in belarus, what does this mean, what opportunities does it give the dictator lukashenko, and does this mean that some kind of mobilization will be hidden in belarus? she gave a hard administration resynchronization, she showed the failure of the statement of the minister of foreign affairs matei lukashenko at night, again, everything happens at

night in the newspaper izvestia rossiyskoi, not paying attention not to the belarusian edition, but to the russian edition. it looked like a self-report to the host. resonance in the press lukashenko is forced to say that we do not have a counter-terrorist operation against the tourist danger of the kgb, the minister of foreign affairs in belarus, show your incompetence or show your lack of trust or ignorance, not the influence of a person - this is a black day for a make-believer, and later on the first channel of russia, someone says that we have a counter-terrorist operation - this is only the preservation of the status quo in our country , a counter-terrorist operation from august 2020 full terror in the country, prisons, arrests, detentions , every day, dozens of people are detained or sentenced to many years of decision freedom from the point of view of legislation this makes it possible to restrict travel outside of

belarus, and by the way, here is an additional regulatory act in the first reading passed by the parliament this week. the kgb has the right to limit you, including youth up to 27 years of conscription age, in principle of any category. restrictions on freedoms can be heard in belarus, when there are no freedoms there in principle for a long time, so these are tools for, among other things, more effective covert mobilization, and it is already underway the information is confirmed everywhere, just recently there was no insight that may require confirmation. i will not confirm this here. it is true that in the internal forces, joint actual units are being formed - a unit of russian and belarusian servicemen, but also covert mobilization is going to the company, requests and lists are being received the military enlistment offices have already drilled the lists with the militia a long time ago, that is, the kgb has

checked all potential military personnel for the benefit of reliability, mobilization is already going ahead all in all, she is so punctual and calm. lukashenko does not want to repeat the mistakes of russia, namely in the eastern regions, which are closer to russia, where the mood is a little better . but she helps. she doesn't help the nachazhdeniya, but she creates psychological tension in society. she tries to legend that action of lukashenko. why are the russian troops again? regarding ukraine, yes, because the poles are threatening us , the poles are threatening the lithuanians, of course we will attack ukraine well, tell me what president volodymyr zelenskyy proposed regarding the placement of a peacekeeper on the border with the republic of belarus, why did belarus

react so aggressively to it, because if the country is afraid of an attack , it has to be only for the fact that there were international peacekeepers on its borders who could record any movement in the direction of aggression, well, our monkey transition cabinet immediately supported this president zelensky's proposal. it seems to me that this is just a manifestation of a sufficiently high level of professionalism of ukrainian diplomacy. it was such a horse-drawn carriage, and it demonstrated that the lukashenko regime does not really stand for peace, and i return to your first question about the bbc interview with lukashenko that he is for peace, not for the cessation of killings, yes, if you are for the cessation, yes, why do you not agree to establish peacekeeping missions, observers at the border, even if only from the ukrainian side, i want to agree with him, and it is not necessary, but in principle i would support such a proposal. this shows the real plans of lukashenko as putin 's puppets to implement the maximum threat of a possible

attack on the territory of ukraine. in order for ukraine to draw up the army, the second stage of this element, it can be real entry, but this is most likely the next year, the beginning of the next year. well, the second scenario - under all appearances, the russians have their own clear plan for the annexation of belarusians, and they need to do this before putin's elections. is it certain that he will wait for these elections, that is, this is his strategic goal - to mix in belarus? is it still possible to annex belarus without annexing ukraine? why? no, what is this? why is it possible to make putin hotel, forgive me for this comparison? kraymere breaks these teeth, the quality of the dessert

is unambiguous belarus, he told chancellor scholz about this on february 15 that belarus should consider ukraine and belarus to be a state, and the composition of the russian federation sounds like that. so i have a feeling that exactly in this situation putin wants to start his dinner you can end it with the dessert. it's not sad for me that it says it like a belarusian politician. but it's necessary to understand this threat and the reality of these plans in order to understand. putin's plans are really going to be eaten in belarus, so this is a nectar to belarus. and what is the mood now among the belarusians among the common people? well, they said from the very beginning that they do not want to fight like this among the majority of the ukrainian brothers, and now lukashenko is interfering more and more in the war. and yes, i i think that now a lot of this is discussed in the chat, a lot of information about the agendas and mobilization and about the movement of troops eh, that is, this

is again tension in society eh is expressed, but taking into account the fact that lukashenko, as he himself told his as a general, we need to participate in the mobilization of the russian federation, as long as he succeeds in doing it gradually, it does not cause such protests, for example, how did he release it in russia, if he oversteps the stick here? well, then it will certainly provoke a situation that belarusians will not leave the country eh so much so that he is leaving, i will honestly say that we have, as in the headquarters of the democratic forces, in the president's office, there are a huge number of requests for relaxation . we have special structures that work abroad, so many belarusians businessmen and youth are also leaving. it is not because everyone perfectly understands the threat of mobilization to participate in this war that we also incidentally asked this question to our partners and possible green corridors

. lead to a certain collapse in the system if, for example, this is not russia, if 100,000 men temporarily leave the territory of belarus or lukashenko closes the border, then it is a collapse if it does not even close they will leave the border quickly enough and a lot, this is also a collapse, in any case, this is an upheaval. lukashenko is afraid of this, he is really afraid of this, so he is trying to smooth things out until he manages to control the situation, well, in society, i will not say that there is overstrain, but the tension is starting to grow. thank you very much, pavlo latushko the diplomat , the deputy head of the united transitional cabinet of belarus was in direct contact with us, now we will have a short break, after which vitaly portnikov and i will return to veter espresso, where he is already will answer my questions on the most interesting topics and the most powerful ones that sounded this week. on

october 25, true friends of ukraine will gather in zagreb, croatia. government level and now it has been supplemented with an international parliamentary format as part of the crimean platform initiative of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi on the sidelines of the summit, the international

coalition will look for ways to restore peaceful life on the territory of crimea. they are all united to realize the important mission of deoccupying crimea , restoring the territorial integrity of ukraine and rebuilding our country after the war. the world is together with ukraine. crimea is ukraine. expect october 25, zagreb, croatia international the crimean platform, the first parliamentary summit, we continue the saturday political club anzhelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov, and in this hour we will talk about such topics or will the turkish president erdoğan be able to persuade

ukraine to negotiate with the russian federation, we will also talk about why elon musk and the spacex company decided not to provide ukraine with free starlink satellite communication anymore, we will also discuss an interesting president who is currently being tried in the gaya court on the conviction of a roma propagandist for the genocide of the ethnic group of the tutsi people, which was destroyed in 1994, and we will also talk about how the russian federation is now trying to blackmail the world and, in particular, the un with let's start with erdoğan now, president erdanyan instructed the relevant ministry of his countries to develop a plan in order to build a new such a gas hub and thus allegedly the

russian federation will be able to abandon the ukrainian pipeline through which gas goes to europe, but vitaliyovych will not do you think that this is, well, in a certain way, such a traitor on the part of erdogan, because ukraine receives money from the russian federation for the passage of gas through the pipe and from the european union, respectively, according to the contracts, well, several tez at once first of all, president dardagan protects his interests against ours, and by the way, german politicians always said this too, when we told them that we receive money for gas transit, and they will receive it. they said, well , we will receive it. not business, but the war in europe , they did not agree with this, but on the other hand, i never, let's say, believed that if it was normal, it was a normal business situation, a normal business environment, they did not have the opportunity to invest in alternative supply routes gas, no one thinks that a transitor is a role that

is fixed to receive under some kind of side agreement, yes, that is, if you say that we are a poor country, we need money for this, but you don't need a lot, it looks very strange, you know how you come to someone at work and you say that because you get a higher salary, i get less, and why do you leave, and if you do something else, i will still get even less. let's better not do this, just sit back and relax, you'll be happy. that approach but to be honest, it seems to me that it is not possible to assume that in the event that a hub appears in turkey, russia will be able to refuse, as two things: there must be a turkish flow and there must be control over the belarusian transport system, only these four conditions create the amount of gas that is needed europe, but there is another point, right now europe does not need such a quantity of russian gas. germany already announced today that it has filled its storage by 95%. without

russian gas, it is obvious that the process europe's rejection of russian gas will happen faster than they themselves planned because they just see what is happening, you know , and that's why i don't really understand what dogan wants from life, what he wants to build, i can tell you what i want to build, he wants to build an illusion of his genius with geopolitics before the presidential parliamentary elections in turkey that now he is significantly inferior to the opposition, the opposition has not yet nominated its only candidate for the presidential elections in turkey, it is obvious that if she nominates, it can change the situation for the benefit of the hearts means a lot to the personnel but nevertheless, this is the first election, which party is right , right right can lose, the situation in the economy of turkey, well, every person who follows the exchange rate of the turkish lira, i don't know if you follow everyone people who are all people who go to turkey from time to time,

they follow the exchange rate of the turkish lira, their eyes go to lobo, the turkish lira asked for more than hryvnias without any war, this is connected with the economic voluntarism of erdogan himself, which means that he it is necessary to do, he essentially went the way of putin under putin, the russians always said that we never lived as well as it was rumored, now they live wretchedly from an economic point of view, the turks also never lived so well for example, he is simply the author of the turkish economic miracle, which he himself buried well, now we need him to marry a miracle, but putin instead of money offers the russians an increase in territory, a war, erdogan instead of money, i want to offer turkey peace, that he is a person who is the author of peace and this gas hub is such an illustration of him capacity, it is no coincidence that you all know what the first columns of turkish newspapers about the government looked like on the day when dogan returned from his stay, oh we will heat the whole world, it sounds

beautiful. about gas khap wants to make changes to the constitution to the laws that allowed persecution for internet content to limit the internet before the elections and by the way, experts write that it is impossible to build this hub, to be honest, technically it is very expensive, we have to spend many years, not that it is impossible, but it is expensive and long . to build their own chinese technologies with their own technology is a million questions and that is why erdoğan allegedly says - this specifically says that somehow there and in front of putin and that's how you say electors or suggested he said well yes oh great now we are investigating it but it is interesting and something else look, he basically went to astana

, what was the main idea to talk to putin about this format, russia, the usa, great britain , france and germany, here we are talking about formation from ukraine, he did not talk about ukraine at all, about victory, what will you bring back, he talked about negotiations for a long time putin zelenskyi i am putting him at the negotiating table, now he has stopped talking about it at all because it became clear that the topic has exhausted itself. well, if zelenskyi signs a decree that there will be no negotiations with putin, i am also putting him at the table the negotiations, he doesn't look like that anymore, means new idea and the edition of the milieu is so close to eduardan, and then the representatives of the redagan party began to say that they are already preparing in istanbul, his advisor on national security and the kalin brothers began to say that these are the negotiations and the americans are even interested, and here it turned out that no one is interested that president biden said that i don't want to talk to putin, the europeans were absolutely not ready to even discuss this topic

putin, who, in principle, you understand, obviously wants to he pointed out to us in the first part of the program that viktor yagun is eager for these negotiations because he needs a truce but at the same time, he is, you know, like this petty robber who received a million and still reaches for his wallet in the tram if putin would like to dogan talked to him about something, he should definitely have refrained from these acts of missile attacks , because it is not surprising that you absolutely demonstratively fire at civilian infrastructure objects, you admit it, you talk about it, that's how it flows, there are some targets left, we hit them, but you couldn't b with for me to talk about peace, peace is very important. well, somehow it all looks strange. this is how this topic became the

topic of negotiations. in principle, it seems to me that the russians have been saying this since february. they do not need any negotiations for them. all negotiations are a waste of time. the only thing they can agree to is in the negotiations, it is for us to recognize their territorial possessions together with mr. vitaly's measure, delaying the time in order to somehow - some military experts write in 2023 to start a new offensive with greater strength to prepare for that time well, it is absolutely logical for this, you don’t even need an expert. to be honest, if you recruited 200 or 30 thousand of those mobilized there, and if you don’t have enough equipment, then you need to stop , prepare people, collect the equipment and strike. what were we doing wrong? she was already comfortable after what started the operation that led to the liberation of kharkiv oblast and now the offensive in the

south continues because we could prepare people and this is also very important, western equipment appeared and allowed us to destroy the russians from a great distance positions, well, the russians saw it, they're not blind, they need it, they can call it a truce, they can say that now they just want to stop russia's destruction of the civilian population, but they're betraying themselves because if they really wanted to stop the destruction of the civilian population, they should not have destroyed objects of civilian infrastructure if they are doing the opposite well, i 'm sorry, the situation here is so strange. they said in the russian authorities that the month for training would be for the mobilized, which is what they call their mobs in our country. yes but as a result, one day and let's go to the front and they die, you said eh inside together yes that's the same well, that 's the same and the same is the general style of behavior of the soviet

post-soviet authorities when you basically refute yourself every day with such a convinced and convincing expression face and where is it wrong that putin says that he will prepare the moon mobilized the question is that he recently said that there will be no mobilization, then the mobilization was announced, now he says that it will stop in two weeks, he is alone all the time refutes his own information, but i think that this can only happen in an authoritarian country where people say, well, he can already see better why. i heard it a million times in russia when i just left. how do you listen to ordinary people ? is it a pit with a gymno? don't you think that it smells bad from there? you all got there in hell. and it's in the middle of your street. don't you think that it looks somehow strange?

well, the answer is simple, well, they can see better there. do you think that people on the mountain can be mistaken? they didn't get there by accident, well, let her say completely by accident, completely by accident . and if there is such a consciousness in society, i will tell you right away that this is the consciousness of the vast majority of russians, and i don't know if you can be surprised at this, you know on the other hand, when serfdom was abolished in russian the state in 1861, the narrator remembers to give how many generations passed from that time to bolshevism, there was one actually two. then there was the soviet system, which just like that made people serfs, you know that russian peasants in general peasants in the soviet union already began to receive passports after 1975 until 1985, the majority of the rural population of the

soviet union, and the rural population was about 60-70% of the population there before the second world war, they did not have passports, they could not travel abroad of the district of the village of the collective farm, even to turn it into uh, she is tied and she does not want to think that she is tied, she says i don't want her to go anywhere, and here the phrase is well fed here, well, the witnesses have gone whose folklore is this the only ziyskyi is not ukrainian. this is russian folklore, so if you are surprised, don’t be surprised. the disease of russian society is not only chauvinism, but i said it is not motivated by arrogance. it is rooted in serfdom. by the way, i would say the most