the formation of a new world order where iran should play one of the key roles in this region , i.e. displace other regional players, be a deterrent for turkey and play such a system-forming role in the persian gulf , reducing the influence of both turkey and the united states and britain, therefore, iran is interested in this cooperation with russia, it is interested in russia weakening the european union and the united states, a collective measure. so to speak, any conflict in the world is where the measure is the opponent is considered early on as a potential window of opportunity to enter and play some small party in their own interests, this is not yet a military-political alliance between iran and russia, because the same iran has a contradiction with russia in the caucasus and the order, as well as in the central

asia, iran is afraid of the strengthening of russia in central asia and is interested in the fact that there is a security vacuum to some extent, so that russia is weakened in its presence in the same tajikistan, for example, or turkmenistan. especially since iran still carries the idea of ​​a redistribution of the erudite and the exclusive economic zones of the order what are the on which there is oil because of the serious patriotic contradictions, but this one leaves certain opportunities for maneuver and some points of contact, they are more now than before because of the war in ukraine and iran is ready to neglect its relations with ukraine in the agreement on the expansion of military

cooperation with russia. well, it seems that he is neglecting this, and we can see from the number of these iranian shakhites and other flying nonsense now in to the great pity of the ukrainian sky, vitaly , let's talk a little more about the east and about putin. last week, all the member countries of the sn where, unfortunately, this structure still lives . please tell me, if we are talking about this one, you say there is still no union between russia and iran, and is there still an alliance between russia and cis member countries, in particular, asian countries, meaning tajikistan , regestan, uzbekistan? well, it seems that the cis will have something to do with it. where these countries are trying to get something from russia,

russia is trying to influence the countries of central asia through these clubs as a military-political bloc of the odkb, there is no single attempt to slow down this association, these are the well-known events in kazakhstan, where the so-called peacekeeping corps of the odkb were introduced in fact, it was more of a demonstrative action than a truly collective will and interaction, we see that the dcb did not react to the war in ukraine, and the customs union also did not cope with this task, there is no official reaction the customs union as a whole consists of diplomacy between moscow and individual capitals by individual leaders of each central asian country, respectively, this level of this interaction is also different, but in general we must say that there is a distancing of the central asian countries from russia. kazakhstan,

kyrgyzstan, even tajikistan are beginning to distance themselves, trying to evade answers to the demands russia on security issues in economic investments and so on. kazakhstan, for example, closes russian publications and stops broadcasting russian tv channels. the march on may 9 is prohibited, even during a country that was more or less pro-russian, such as kyrgyzstan, the leadership refuses to conduct military exercises in kazakhstan and then kyrgyzstan refuses to pay in rubles within the framework of the customs union , pro-ukrainian protests are taking place in some countries, they are provided we receive help for ukraine from these countries, even turkmenistan has provided aid to ukraine, which is allegedly not neutral and maximally distanced, so in

this situation it can be said that there is full understanding and russia's support from central asia. i wouldn't say that. each of these countries understands the danger posed by russia and tries to cover the deficits in this security by involving other non-regional players such as turkey, iran, china, etc. he says, for example , the creation of a chinese military base on the border in tajikistan, where the border is controlled and patrolled by the chinese military even on the tajik border, for example, he has repeatedly increased the purchase of chinese military equipment and sent military-political military-technical cooperation, kyrgyzstan, tajikistan are almost on a permanent subsidy conditional from

china for the modernization of its armed forces and the security sector, that is, because of this, russia is being pushed out, and in terms of the security and economy of central asia, this is very disturbing, the kremlin is trying to return to central asia for this, several summits were initiated, which were supposed to pull these central asian countries to russia like a belt with a belt, but in reality there were no concrete results of this, for example the time turned into the summit of china and central asia, where putin was simply invited to the summit of central asia, er, russia, er, it also turned into more of a claim by the leadership of the central asian countries to russia in terms of unfair economic policy, it's no secret that russia was exclusion and

restrictions on the export of central asian goods e-e and transit through russia russia carried out an open terrorist attack on the caspian pipeline thus depriving kazakhstan e-e of money from of oil exports e-e russia introduced restrictions on e-e hmm import into its territory of goods of agricultural production from central asia from tajikistan, kyrgyzstan and kazakhstan in russia many unresolved tendentious investigations on uzbekistan and tajikistan were accumulating in russia there are problems with turkmenistan in terms of gas supply that is all these conditions and understood understood that turkmenistan is now talking about the need to build a new gas pipeline azerbaijan and cooperation with iran tajikistan is looking for help from iran for financing

of their projects and not in russia, that is, putin is being asked what russia is not ready to give now, it cannot give it, it cannot buy the loyalty of canadian countries at the expense of financial infusions because russia itself needs this money for the war in ukraine and in safety also because the same russian military base of the 201st in tajikistan already consists of 70-80% ethnic tajiks who are simply local residents who simply received russian citizenship and therefore you use them in the 201st base even when russia can no longer deal with a hypothetical threat to afghanistan because these tajiks are integrated into the local schedules of clans of kryvyi rih relations in this region, and there is even more of a structure that ensures the security of

tajikistan and the surrounding countries. the border conflict between kyrgyzstan and tajikistan has not yet been resolved, even though russia offered its mediation mission, but in fact nothing can be done there because they appear they signed no peace, they signed the withdrawal of troops, the cessation of hostilities, they exchanged prisoners, they declared their readiness to compensate, but then we had one firefight, so the intensity of these firefights decreased, they no longer shoot tanks with grenade launchers, but automatic rounds are fired on the border, today there were several persecutions in this region, so it is not true to say that russia guarantees security even in the border regions between

the members of its integration association, that is, none of the conflicts were successful to solve with the help of russia, it was decided either by china as an informal mediator or there was some kind of dialogue between the countries, let's say, like now a temporary dialogue between the members and uzbekistan, because it is now beneficial for the countries to get out of their way from kyrgyzstan, for example, that is why central asia is slipping away from the arms of russia and there it creates and turns into a certain turbulence first we saw an explosion in kazakhstan in january of this year then we saw protests and a suicide bombing in tajikistan then it was uzbekistan kolpakstan and i do not rule out that we will see some more riots and protest actions, riots in kazakhstan and in kyrgyzstan and even turkmenistan, well, god forbid,

god forbid that you slip out of this russian orbit as soon as possible, mr. in italy. and please tell me if talk, putin and erdoğan met and signed an economic agreement on a gas economic agreement. please tell me. but in this erdoğan-putin alliance, there may be some threat to us now. turkey, by the way , as well as pakistan, other countries that are now intensified the negotiations on gas, they are trying to get the maximum loyalty from russia on the issue of gas supply, to solve their issues of the formation of habi, they understand that such a race of national egoism is starting in the energy sphere that every country is trying to provide itself with supplies, disinfect, provide itself with cheap carriers, try to make a larger volume of these

supplies and that you in the event of a collapse or there is the beginning of a great e-e tension or a new phase of the once urban confrontation of the global to be supplied with energy carriers at least for some time ago, uh, the same erdogan is trying to find points of contact to be a bigger dove of peace than any pope or anyone else uh and the saints uh of all the churches of the world, just about this, i ask you, what are you trying to do to be this dove of peace who wants to bring peace to ukraine and instead somehow gets closer to moscow, well, at least now during this gas agreement or for us it does not pose a threat to us any threat poses any agreements of russia with any countries only russia enters into some favorable for her or conditionally favorable negotiations for her, a base is created where

she talks about a threat to ukraine, respectively, negotiations between the udogans and putin where there are any questions of benefits and benefits, they are extremely negative for ukraine, but on the other hand, you should not overestimate e- these dangers are because , as i say again, erdoğan pursues a policy of national selfishness, and he is quite cynical about such and such things. where it is profitable , he will trade where it is not profitable. he can sticking a knife in putin's back is no problem and he has no conscience to put pressure on him, on the contrary turkey clearly emphasizes that trade is trade and the issue of cooperation is that turkey is a member of nato, it is a matter of a more global security policy and there its partners are united states in russia, what do you say about the american placement of missiles on the

territory of turkey? therefore, it is obvious that, despite all the fronting, it is happy in relation to the european union and partly to the united states in the global aspect, turkey will to play uh well, let's say more of a positive role than a negative one for ukraine, well, it's gratifying. thank you for such and such a positive, because i was honestly a little afraid of this very strong economic rapprochement, but who knows what will happen next because, well, erdoğan is very unpredictable er political personality p vitaliy two more words please tell me what you think about the last rammstein or can we say that this last rammstein meeting of friends of ukraine, he somehow shifted what happened on the penultimate rammstein well

to a great extent, the language that is not only about the delivery of heavy weapons, the deadline, we all passed it, we needed it earlier for a larger, wider offensive to the south, the fact that heavy weapons and the necessary volume of military aid were already on the way, well, very good, now the european union has agreed we have 500 million euros for the purchase of weapons for ukraine, training programs have been agreed, and this is very good because there are tens of thousands of ukrainian servicemen who have undergone training in great britain and other countries and in european including this and the new, new type of weapons that ukraine can get after the latest rammstein, and that's why every time we see

the readiness of our western partners to support not with words and concerns with concrete things, but in my opinion, maybe it's subjective and pessimistic opinion rammstein is late with its decisions at a time when this help was needed a few more after that well, i completely agree with you, especially about the decisions to give us air defense systems, these are air defense systems we needed back in the spring, we were constantly talking about them, we were constantly asking for the countries of the west, the countries of the west, at first they hesitated, then they agreed that we really need it now, finally, on this rammstein, everyone said that it is necessary, and even the first iris is already german we will be on the territory of ukraine, but this is only one system, the americans say that they will give us norwegian on sams, but they will give it when they can give it, i completely agree with you that, unfortunately, where between them, the deputy joked, they were simply fed up

move the embassy from kyiv to lviv and there, mr. vitaliy, one more question for you. how can you comment on the last vote regarding russia at the united nations general assembly? is it a victory or not? five allies of the russian federation are indicative, yes, in fact, they are rogue countries. who are er hmm those with whom people do not often sit at the same table, well this is a demonstrative consequence of russian foreign policy, but there is another option, the situation is those who did not vote or those who, unfortunately, were present among them china and other heavyweights present are marker countries that reflect the position of entire continents that also did not vote, and this is not good for ukraine, that is, there is a whole space where

we should strengthen our presence, work with these countries, propose our agenda, search triangles, polygons of relations in order to attract these countries to the support of kiev, and this is very important, because simple negotiations between ukraine and ukraine , for example, we read, will not lead to a change in china's position if it is pure politics yes, negotiations with african countries or the countries of the caribbean basin will not lead there , it will not lead to a change in the position of these countries, even the meeting of our minister of foreign affairs, but if it is the united states, ukraine plus a third country, then it can affect the position of their general assembly , especially when the question will be raised there. i

hope so. about the exclusion of all betrayals of security, we will need an absolute majority without those who got p vitaliy. i understood that it is not for you a complete victory as far as i understood, but well , i sent a good one, but still not a victory, but look, you have already touched on the topic of the possible exclusion of russia for betrayal of the un security council, i ask this to many of my interlocutors and i want to ask you. please tell me. do you personally believe that such a thing can happen? i am a pessimist about this issue, but it can be brought up for discussion at the general assembly. unfortunately, in order to bring up this issue and get a positive vote of the absolute majority and the majority of participants, for this, some kind of trigger is needed, what happened, whatever it is

it didn't hurt, it didn't sound like a tiger, it's not. i hope that it won't be the use of nuclear weapons, then something else. maybe it's something else. i hope for it. well, then what? because it seems to me that such a trigger is, in this case, if you say the dead after the decoupage, for example, in mariupol, the discovery of dozens thousands of beaten , if not falcons, because the number of dead in mariupol is still unknown. we do not have this information from various sources of information, the figure is tens of thousands, but this is unknown , that is, the exposure of the facts of mass genocide there thousands of people can provoke a certain wave, and this well , it will be pushed, but as i say to some dry firahs, humanity must touch its existential limit, when the deputy is horrified and

understand that it is impossible to act otherwise, that russia has crossed all possible limits and even there are such countries like china, who believe that it is possible to achieve the chaos of international relations and build a new world order at the expense of russia's war with a collective measure to weaken russia, and even china is very clear that it is not possible to agree on anything with russia anymore with putin and about what we can't negotiate there i need to isolate isolate and finish off i hope that this moment will come to the world community and people and the community will feel themselves then humanity as a single subject vitaly eh let's not hope let's be sure that it will really happen and in this we will be helped by the armed forces of ukraine and our entire civil society a-a thank you for being with me today, answering my questions and solving but problematic issues, it was

vitaliy kulyk, director of the center for the study of problems of civil society and i am ready to introduce my second guest. this is evgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics. i congratulate you, mr. evgeny. i congratulate yuriy. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. thank you very much for joining me today. vladimir putin said that the embassies of some countries are too de facto fighting on the side of ukraine and that it is very remarkable that the countries of central asia are taking out many embassies , taking out their embassies and evacuating them. even so it is possible to say from kyiv that yesterday the national security adviser to the president of the united states of america, joe biden, jake sullivan, very strongly threatened no, he did not threaten, he warned russia not to even think about using nuclear weapons,

because well, there will be a very strong response from the united states of america itself. not allies, if you put it all together, something like this was bubbling before the start of a full-scale invasion on february 24, if you put it all together now, should we still be preparing for something serious in the near future days weeks first we are already in a state of war and already almost eight months ago if we did not prepare for this before then the question arises how we will act further the truth is the second is the kremlin's bastard and the kremlin's mustache or piskov's mustache is simply piskov's last sometimes a competitor named lukashenko appeared, who also tries to whitewash putin, tries to bypass him at the turn, there is nothing strange here. well,

in fact, he is, of course, the official spokesman of the russian president and smeared all this the very ears or the very mustache, but in any case well, i would say that what is happening around the countries of central asia is a russian information and psychological special operation, i will explain why last week at the very russia central asia putin heard from his tajik colleague and on malia rahman, that russia actually does not respect the country of central asia and rahman, who, i will remind you , has been in his position since december 1994, that is, longer than putin .

accordingly allowed himself to say similar things and said this is clear enough as far as sullivan's position is concerned. well, he just belongs to the er moderate putin versteiers, i would like to remind you about this and er, accordingly er um, it's for him. you know that kind of reaction very interesting, but the west and the united states as a whole, they will say specifically what their actions will be in the event of a possible hypothetical nuclear attack by russia, there are several reasons for this, in particular, the fact that nuclear weapons are primarily weapons of deterrence and that

in fact, they understand it well enough in the russian federation and act accordingly. it is clear. well, god forbid, since you have already started talking about mustaches. let's continue this topic of head wax. please tell me, will lukashenko withstand putin's onslaught? i personally see that he is holding out to the last, he is giving up his weapons, he is sending the russian military to the territory of belarus, he will be there and help putin, but he is afraid to take that last decisive step. will he be so afraid to the end does putin still have the leverage to push him, well, the leash for lukashenko in putin's hands is really getting shorter , the grafts inside this collar are getting sharper and sharper , i want lukashenko in such good shape, he looks

more and more sometimes tragically funny, well, that's his way he elected him, and i think that lukashenko understands very well that if he authorizes the participation of belarusian troops directly in hostilities against ukraine, this may be the beginning of his political end and all these good men in military uniforms, too, because it is unlikely there will be some generals who will be able to say that they are not involved there, that they did not take part in this, i have a very simple formula, regardless of the number of russian military and belarusian military that will now be on the territory of belarus, about 9 thousand russian military have been announced. i understand that it is

mainly freshly mobilized russian military , regardless of the proportion in which to mix the jam, raspberry water, how about tea with raspberry jam 11 kg of channels, belarus, jam, shit , it will be shit, that's why i'm talking about what, regardless what will be the proportion of mixed belarusian and russian military, they will be subject to the russian military command, there cannot be any other opinions here , and the question arises, how will the citizens of belarus deal with the prospect of being able to receive their sons, mr. yevhen knowing that you know belarus very well. how would you answer this question? i know that in belarus during the second world war

every third inhabitant of that time died, these are different numbers, that is, different components and holocausts anti-partisan actions germans, you are many other things according to my observations - this is absolutely not a war of belarusians, that is, in belarusian society there is no excitement that they want to take kyiv at any price and there are a number of people who are victims of russian propaganda, this is not possible call it another way, because these are the victims of russian propaganda, because they have been actively brainwashed since august 2020, and now they are actively talking about it, but in any case, they are victims and they must be treated accordingly, as we will treat them the defenders of understandable reasons use the principle that we do not understand the types of invaders, but

for the sake of accuracy of awareness, i advised the citizens of belarus to imagine. treated this so that they better understand the reaction of the citizens of ukraine, i.e. my uh well, let's say a moderate attitude towards the situation in belarus, it is usually an exception in that in the conversations that i observe, more people want, well, at least to take revenge on the belarusians for the fact that russian troops entered their territory for how they perceived these things, well, this is a historical fact