and through ukrainian housing, i really hope that this program will give an impetus to the construction industry , let's say so, because uah 1 is invested in this segment, even though it provides five dashes of uah 8, the so-called multiplier, or one job created, these industries create there in addition, there are five more , a little plus-minus there in the city, in other sectors, what is one investment? yes, i just heard different uh-uh opinions uh-huh and really, we saw that they can be involved in our state, the only thing that needs to be understood is that if there was no war then these indicators would be an order of magnitude higher than now, and the key thing today is that what is possibly restraining these investors is the war, of course, and they are looking today, business is looking together with the state for possible options for military risk insurance so that, well, conditionally, the funds that were invested in the enterprise so that it is not destroyed by some sort of arrivals and today there is a discussion about how the state can insure these

risks or when our other state partners can invest funds in our state and through their expert credit agencies in other countries to insure these risks. in this way, to help our state to revive er, well, into business, mr. oleksiy . we saw that you had such an original reaction when we talked about inflationary processes, and yet how many percent of the composition of inflation do we have, how many percent is it in other countries. if you want here, please enter into the discussion, just ah, i would like to move on well, to the discussion, actually, inflation, you know, it can be measured statistically, and there is also such an indicator as inflation, which is felt, that is, it is felt first of all the population, well, well, how do you know the air temperature, and the thermometer can show that it is

15° in size, and it turns out that it is much, much more complicated than what the meter showed, in principle , the same situation in ukraine with inflation. well, it's like average inflation. well, the average temperature in the hospital is 25%, but if we look at different social goods and services, they are growing much more dynamically than 25%. if inflation is being held back in ukraine now, first of all it is being held back by the fact that utility tariffs are not increasing here, too in principle, the position of the government is correct , the position of the president is correct regarding the fact that during the war, utility tariffs can increase because of the variability of the tariff, it has a significant effect on let's say this, i wanted, so relatively small indicators are shaking as for the war, and the second disinfectant factor

is quite significant that 5 million ukrainians traveled abroad eh, accordingly, because the internal consumption of goods and services was significantly reduced and well, the loss of 5 million consumers of the domestic market is enough well, accordingly, in the summer we see that the prices were uh well, they grew, but not as fast as they could grow under current conditions, now ukrainians have begun to return to foreign countries, we see that, in principle, domestic demand has begun to grow, imports are recovering, and accordingly, infectious processes are also intensifying , and the main factor is that we are now facing inflation e.e. supply or cost inflation and one can also call it an infection of production costs during the war high prices because there are many other ukrainians and they began to buy many goods and services e.e. high prices because the cost of transport logistics has increased high imported inflation due to electricity prices completely imported goods imported

addresses a-a registration is increasing due to the devaluation of the national movement others in us on us in the structure of consumption 50% on this imported goods during the war e-e marginal tendency to of imported goods, it increases because, well, many are excluded from production or destroyed, therefore this inflation is, well, significant, significant. miles has an unyielding character, and that is why the harsh actions of the national bank related to aa increase, for example , objectivity will be 25%. they don't really reduce inflation that much, they just destroy economic activity, so we are talking about investments, but in fact, ukrainian banks now have 250 billion uah of free liquidity, which they fall into in certificates of deposit of the national bank at 23%, and they do it instead of preparing a ukrainian surname

, that is, if a ukrainian bank is not ukrainian banks do not lend to ukrainian business projects if ukrainian banks do not fall into economic activity, then why do we think that foreign investors will do the same for instead of the ukrainian party, because, as you know, in principle, we have a lot of resources, which should simply be redirected to the economic first, to economic stabilization for that so that this fall of the economy in the 22nd year was as small as possible, and then for economic recovery, foreign investments will pick up when we see land-based investors, that is, first we need to restore domestic investment credit process and then count on external investments well, because, in my opinion, it is useless to hope for external financing if we ourselves do not want to invest in ourselves, i want to, therefore , it is necessary to change, including me, on politics in order for the money quickly we will really convince everyone what the demand for loans is. it is quite

convenient now because the economy needs structural restructuring. it was already said correctly that now it is necessary to switch from the rest batch of raw materials to the export of ready-made products of high depth of value, that is, we need to invest money in the processing industry of exporters, which industry are they? our economy needs a transition to the so-called mobilization format of the economy during the war . without a radical change in monetary policy, there will be no excuses, and inflation, unfortunately , during the war, even with the stricter humanitarian policy of the national bank, it is everything it just introduces a high one because the discount rate

can be set at the level of 30 and 50%, and because of this, the price of gasoline at gas stations will not be lower , because it is high because of a completely different passport, more than 70% of ukrainians have lost income due to the war , most citizens feel a lack of money this is the data of the research company degree research, they surveyed 2,000 respondents during september 23-26 in a mobile application, only 13% of people reported that their income did not change and only 3% began to receive more despite the fact that the salary in of people has significantly decreased. they still continue to receive it, however, almost half of the employed do not have confidence in the stability of this income, those who lost their jobs and are working with the beginning of a full-scale war are in a more difficult situation than 60% of the respondents. a third are unemployed, and 34% of them

lost their jobs after february 24. the state will support people who find themselves in a difficult situation. in this regard, the presidential adviser on economic issues, oleg gustenko, explained that improving the purchasing power of ukrainians can be done in two ways. ways or to raise salaries or give loans , however, he notes that in the conditions of war, it is unlikely that we should expect quick positive changes in this direction, and here the question arises when you have very limited economic and financial resources in the state and when you have an impoverished population, who should you help and the answer, as i understand it, is given in our case such that only those who belong to the most vulnerable population groups are supported in the first place, and i understand that now there may be specifics, that is, 90% are waiting for us now the population belongs to vulnerable groups, it may be so, but there are but there are those who, well, simply no

, they will not be able to survive if they are not additionally supported. therefore, they will have to be supported . of environmental tax and e-taxation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine's committee on finance and tax and customs policy, mr. oleksiy, we welcome you, and we would also like to remind you that in the studio with us is alina sokolenko, the head of the association of experts on sustainable of development and by skype, oleksiy kush, economist and financial analyst. so, mr. lustenko, please tell me whether the state is currently using all the possibilities to help ukrainians. we have now provided statistics on how many ukrainians have to tighten their belts. yes, we definitely understand that the next budget is enough for us. there will be a complex budget, this is a military budget. everything we earn, we spend on

helping the armed forces, for example, on the army, and this is the main thing, and all the other funds that are already here, social payments for pensions, for everything the state spends, we have to attract, and of course the only thing that is best in order to go forward is what is the task of the head of the national bank, what is the new uh, it is to unblock lending, that is, of course, a 25 percent rate is too much debusiness accounting, of course we have to uh, make it so that our companies had access to cheaper money because this is the start of the economy if the company has access to e-e loans, which are possible. these are small loans, but in any case, the answers given there are not the highest percent, definitely. this is the start of the economy, and it is an opportunity for these enterprises to pay taxes, create jobs,

save them during the war, and uh, well, this is also a big support that the uh state, the national bank will be able to provide for ukraine in the next year. well , there are definitely things that still need to be done, but for today, the president and the office of the president and the cabinet of ministers are doing everything, and the verkhovna rada is doing everything, for example, to find ways to support ukrainians, support business and support our of the state, mrs. alina, what do you say , is the support provided by the state sufficient now, and what else would it come from? perhaps, taking into account what capabilities we have, it is clear that these capabilities of the state are limited because there is a war going on in our country, and so we are in in principle, we depend on our partners. this is situational aid. we don't know how much will come this month, in what amounts. thanks to the united states, which pledged one and a half

billion . quarrel about helping us - we understood that the state is now in a vulnerable position, nevertheless, it must help its citizens, and first of all, we must see what is happening abroad, because it is true, as you said, that america is interfering with the european union, but let's be frankly, not everything is so smooth there, and if at the beginning of the war everyone helped ukraine, today the mood is changing a little because they have crazy inflation, we already talked about it today so that inflation in other countries also reaches such proportions as and we don't have a war with them, and believe me, they don't like the same france, especially germany. and when it concerns specifically every person in another country, as they say, the pocket is closer to you , and accordingly, somewhere there is a war in ukraine, it is somewhere there far more than hmm the issue is here and now and in this

way people are starting to protest against their governments so here we really have to clearly understand that ah we have to focus on our future and not expect help from abroad it is very good that it is and what is she arrives, but it can stop at any moment and we see how some help us, but on the second day they change their minds and stop helping, then i help again. yes, but it’s not some kind of situational things, yes, in ukraine, in order for people to work, people need loans in first of all , because again, grants and loans are different things, it's a game, it's a one-time help on certain conditions, and again, if we look at the forms of grants that were provided, they were really provided for the creation of jobs and so on, but this is for a certain small period of time, and then what if we are talking about a gram like this. that is, it is a very small time and it is not a fact that it will continue to work.

because it is good that you have started a business now . three, as a rule, from startups survive only there 3-5% and everything else these are just unsuccessful attempts, so, well, to stimulate the economy , lending is really necessary . with money, in particular, i was here, i was here in ukraine, that is, are such conversations taking place now , among economists, among politicians, oleksiy maybe you know something oleksiy usenko, and then i will ask you something else oleksiy, thank you, thank you, i just want to add to that that we already have an additional opportunity to export our goods to the european union, this is something that we have

not had for many years, but we had customs duties on absolutely all of our goods, and in fact they were removed from the 22nd year that is, today i know that at the ministry of foreign affairs a delegation is created separately, there is an external program where they help businesses export products to the european union, but it should be much more than that, that is, an export-import agency should work actively, the ministry of foreign affairs should work so that we can potentially promote all our products to the european market, for example, there are opportunities for european the union continues to partially bury in the countries of e-e russia in belarus continues to partially purchase products, why can't these products, for example, the european union to purchase from us, our enterprises have those that produce the same, for example, there are opportunities to convert a partial enterprise so that they produce such products. we have a lot of things that we can export. that is, these are such

programs, if the european union would give opportunities to our commodity producers to export and supporting them, it was very good, and together with lending, it was the right cool initiative that would work well, but for the european union, who invented it for them, invented it because of course the more will be produced here, the more enterprises will be here, the better they will work there , less money will need to be given after some time, well, that is why we definitely need such a program here. the system is busy, for example, some of them create few jobs well, but maybe they can take them in quantity, well, that is, such things, and about the fact that bmw was here in ukraine, uh, i don’t know how much i understand that in political circles, this is, well, no

, it is not the most urgent question. oleksiy oleksiy kush. i want to ask you, if we have already touched the international monetary fund, tell us what the fact that serhii marchenko was elected chairman of the board of governors of the world bank and the imf for a year changes something for ukraine, i didn't, i didn't connect it personally, that's exactly what marchenko took - in principle, it's just a distinction, let's say, of ukraine as a state. that is, it's an institutional position, she doesn't hold it some practical function, but it is, well, image-based image such a thing and er it is in principle an award for ukraine and not for a personal city of finance a-a marchenko therefore from the point of view of er awards

of ukraine it was for for our image for our er for our informational let's say so promotion in the west is very positive and very useful. i would like to add a couple of words, really. and now ukraine has to negotiate with the key economic economies of the world with band-aids regarding the establishment of the so-called no-customs trade because in the west there is such a regime called uh trade regime everything except weapons, i.e. it is provided to developing countries that get the opportunity without quotas and without e-e to sell any products on the markets of developed countries a-a except for the products of the urban industrial complex, i.e. in the ukrainian language, such e-e programs were provided at one time in ukraine ointments, for example, bangladesh, cambodia, and in principle, this led to a rapid increase in the export of all countries to e-e markets, on

ukraine's thinking, therefore, in principle, ukraine should receive such a regime as a key economic band-aid - this is the united states of america, the european union, and the countries that are part of the so-called british commonwealth, in a narrower sense. that is, it is britain, australia, canada, and, respectively, if we get the opportunity. the main thing is that this duty-free and unmanned regime is... e was extended for at least five, it is better for 10 years , that is, for 1-2 years - it does not change anything, because if the investor creates markets under e well, the minimum payback period of capital investments, it is somewhere at the level there three or five years ago, eh. of course, the investor will only start production in order to

stop this eh . and then it can really become a unique tool for our post-war recovery. that is, you can get free fish and you can get a spinning or fishing rod to catch this fish yourself. thank you for these recipes. twice to uah 80 per dozen, the reason for the decrease in production due to the war is said by the ministry of agricultural policy , in particular, poultry farms in donetsk region, kharkiv region and kherson region have stopped or reduced their work , the price was also affected by other tractors, this is the increase in the price of energy carriers for industrial consumers, the increase in grain prices and, accordingly, they got rid of compound feed for birds due to the economic problems of ukraine's food shortage

, the deputy minister of agrarian policy and food of ukraine, markiyan dmitrasevich, is not expected to say this on the air of the telethon, the only news and he noted that there will be plenty of sunflower oil, sugar and eggs in the country and predicted that in november ukrainians will see a certain stabilization of food prices. on the general inflation and the increase in the price of energy carriers eh. if this is the case with logistics as well, how indicative can this price story with eggs be for other types of products? with this question and why why did this happen and just look here the topic is very irritating and on

easter, when usually eggs are added to the price, they cost when i bought eggs for 10 uah for a dozen , now we see the price up to 80, what kind of paradox is this well , first of all i would like to say that there really is such a classic famine that there cannot be a shortage of products. and in general, we have er, well , they will always instruct incorrectly. it will be in the store, but it may cost such a price there that people simply will not have the money to buy it, that is, the product itself will be in stock, for some reason we will be more afraid that some of them will be some kind of e-e product, for example, bread or buckwheat and in a market economy - this is impossible, that is, this product will always be a problem, not the auto availability of the product, but the problem in the price of this product, that is, the main deficit that we have now is not a shortage of products

and a shortage of money in the hands of the population who can not buy these products now in relation to the eggs themselves, well in general, eggs are such a classic charismatic example that characterizes the essence of inflation in ukraine because there are two types of inflation, it is either commercial demand inflation is growing because people have a lot of money in their hands, but a lot of money does not appear and should grow wage incomes when the economy is developing powerfully, then it is possible to apply such rigid monetary mechanisms, increasing the processes of support and limiting economic activity in order to slow down this inflation okko and the second type of inflation is supply inflation or cost inflation or production cost inflation, this is a type of inflation and it is enough to estimate because people have a lot of money because the cost of production of goods or the cost of delivery increases there if it concerns the import of eggs - this is a product of our domestic production here classic

inflation of the cost price, i.e. due to a significant increase in the prices of energy resources, logistics, transport costs, and the same feed for chickens , i.e. well, for example, when our left is blocked the export of e.e. grain due to the blockade of the apartment, on the one hand, it was very bad because we do not like to export grain, and on the other hand , cheap feed appeared in the poultry industry because, well, there was nowhere for the grain to go and e.e. it was consumed inside the country including favoritism, and thanks to this there was a certain stability. now, in principle, we have started to export grain - this is a positive moment because the country receives export revenue, but it also had certain temporary , let's say, negative consequences in the form of the fact that the prices for grain and for, including for kalma inside the country, started to rise, facts vasyl because

we have little time left until the end of this broadcast, uh, oleksiy ustenko here, if in the draw of what we were talking about, maybe some food cards will appear coupons, coupons for people, because eggs are, in principle, goods and the first necessity . yes, there are people who now can not afford even this. the jump in egg prices in our country was in the 20th year and was in the 21st year why well , because and why now, first of all, because really there, mr. deputy minister ruled in us kharkiv poultry farm in us is kherson poultry farm which in general is under occupation in our country poltava poultry farm which was lokhvytsa is not working and well, there are a number of poultry farms which are not working plus ukrlenfarming which is the largest there, the producer was the largest non -egg producer, and he is partially yes, they

work, something does not work, there is a question in lending , because they really do not have enough working capital, well , how many kernels - i understand that, that is, the question is with specifically with eggs, this is a question. well, it is situational, it strikes today, in a month, it will not be there because of that, in principle, under the prices of goods. well, if we take what are processed products. well, for example, flour, for example, sunflower oil . grow up, well, to the extreme. they will not greet so much, because these in ukraine today, it has not increased compared to last year, even hryvnia equivalents, it remains somewhere either at the same level or at the level, well, there is much to feel the language, because it used to be very cheap. today, it is very expensive. this is

because most of our agricultural products are not exported by sea. they are exported, for example, by road transport. it's just that the price of compound feed in our country has not increased very much, but the price of energy resources has increased, for example, the same gas , which is also needed there for the poultry farm, and that's why the price of certain products will increase , especially since the price will increase logistics is used there. well, there, where you need to refuel cars, something will be brought up. well, for example, there will be an increase in the price of imported goods , but there are also those groups of goods, i say. take any state regulation. that is why we saw state regulation, for example, of gasoline, when we

had a regulated price, but there was no gasoline. this is an example of the fact that the economy can only work there under absolutely free conditions, that is, you any service provider can set such a price , well, what will be economically beneficial for it to exist and earn something, if the state will be there in any way, in any way, to interfere in the business, it will somehow regulate the prices. they will somehow look well it's just that some goods are really gone, it's an example of what happened with gasoline there at the beginning of may, in april, in the month of june, when it wasn't there. so, now it's there. yes, it's more expensive there than it was before the start of a full-scale war. but there are objective reasons why he is more expensive because the price of oil has increased, logistics have increased if before, for example, gasoline came here by trains, today it was stored in

oil depots, today it travels in cars and is sold, roughly speaking, from the wheels, calmly, calmly , i saw a lot of gasoline trucks on the roads, in fact, this is the truth in the end i have a friend and he has a problem, so if you go out with the price of eggs with a girl, they eat four every day now, so you can advise me. well, he says that it hurts my pocket. let me quit my job. credit it is possible to create some kind of own enterprise a-a with hmm farming and grow those eggs yourself i know how to grow them yourself a-a i believe that everyone should do their own thing and each and everyone in their role can achieve the maximum yes and there should be government officials to do theirs

businessmen with their questions, and the better we cope with our obligations, the better for our economy, and as for ukrainians in general, first of all, we need to look after ourselves, or our country, and then see who can help us, and so further, but we have to form this unity, starting with ourselves, and there is a rational use of it, starting with electricity, starting to re-evaluate our internal consumption, and consume only what is needed, but at the same time, you don’t know. don’t close yourself off to that that the economy should work if you went to the hairdresser you go to the hairdresser because these are jobs it is necessary you have to work but be rational just be rational here and now because you consume because you use and so on you don't need to resign in that role