connection from the power grids of russia, er, there were such messages, and er, it’s interesting how much er, in the context of that help, when you mentioned charles michel and said that they would be ready to help us pass the heating period, er, in particular, hmm, how er, er, is the integration of our system here with the european can help us? well, there is more, as i was already told about the possibility of importing electricity from the countries of the european union . noted as he said, we have a nuclear reactor for electricity production, and it is unlikely that they will be attacked. our weak point is transportation, it is a transformer, it is a substation, etc. electricity, and here is the second component, which support we need, in fact, we must have. we have a great

advantage over the russian empire in this war, this is the support of the european union. in fact, this is the rear that cannot be hit, well, we understand it so far no one will beat, and therefore in this case we most likely need to have large warehouses on our borders with additional equipment and the same transformers, then we could quickly enough if we appeared at such a moment when we had damage to the transformer substation, we could quickly start and replace replace this equipment without looking for it or without waiting for it for weeks in order to connect this light and this is to build these transformers right on the border a week is not a month in our situation. taking into account that we already have winter on our doorstep, it is still better to have warehouses with this and this equipment, which will be produced

today by the world's leading corporations, mr. ivan, in the context of that how are our allies, in particular, the european union, with this energy network now in common, or was there any help from partners during this week? they may have helped us with diesel generators with the same transformers, in what way did they show themselves, that is, during this week, when ukraine suffered the most, well, i will tell you not like in the last week. and this work is actually at the level of cooperation regions, regions at the level of cooperation and municipalities of the heating season at the beginning of summer, june, july , our foreign partners with whom we started negotiations are already actively providing mobile boiler houses and gas and gas and diesel generators and mobile installations for water purification and tanks for

transportation of this water and so on and so on in order to decentralize even at the level of the city, here are these large thermal power centers and thermal power plants that were built in soviet times so that in fact every single house standing alone had the opportunity to autonomously more or less measure but somehow pass this heating season, that is, we are talking about mobile boiler rooms that can be attached to a separate house and maintain a viable temperature there if, of course, there will be people living in it if we take our regions of ukraine, unfortunately, in many cities, the heating season will not start, and as a result, the infrastructure is critically destroyed and, in fact, there is a lack of people who would live in apartment buildings, because even in our country, if you take the east and the south of ukraine, occupied territories and line of demarcation, many

people remained in the private sector. but the residents who lived in high-rise buildings either moved to the nearest safer areas , or they were able to go to their relatives who live in private houses, because in a small house, when it is yours, you can absolutely go through the heating season autonomously at the expense of wood at the expense of purchasing coal, the state helps the population in this, municipalities help the population, and programs are being created to purchase alternative boilers so that it is possible on a solid fuel to heat your house and not with gas and here actually i would like to emphasize that solid fuel boilers will not always be a plus this winter because if we are talking about a complete blackout and lack of gas yes, electricity, then here we actually need to talk and return to the burzh as such a type of

heating, as it only needs firewood or coal. does not even a car use used oil and any other things and does not need electricity, this is the modification of the burzh that can be heated and in parallel and prepare food for yourself in order to support such basic needs of the population . in contrast to place n olezhe, see the comment, first of all, we must admit that we can transfer all residents of high-rise buildings to the private sector, well, this is impossible, first of all, secondly , we must understand that any high-rise building is such a single complex, that is, it is impossible to separate there from the neighbors, someone will insulate there, someone will not insulate, it is impossible to put a small house there, therefore, it is impossible to protect the entire multi-story building and to insulate the entire building

quite quickly, and that is why it is already now in many cities, together with the local government and the central government, there are schools that and all our children have now gone online. in fact, there is no school anymore , and on the moon of schools, heating places are now being formed for people who at some point will not have energy supply there or not there will be heating there temporarily so that they can gather there in these buildings, they can be more quickly and qualitatively equipped with independent energy supply and heating with the same boilers so that people can still spend a difficult period there during the winter there for a while for 2-3 days until we will accordingly restore the supply of electricity for heating and return home already, and this is a more important and more necessary program that is currently taking place, well, in relation to education, eh, actually , before our conversation, eh, i saw information from the

minister of education of ukraine, serhiy a. shkarlut, who thought in the official telegram channels that starting on october 17, that is, from today, a part of educational institutions in ukraine will return to the full-time format of studies, and a part will switch to a mixed one. is accepted by the management of the educational institution and directly by the parents, definitely maxima, but imagine that we will take some receptors, which population is 50,000, the population is 50,000. we are sure that several schools will be there with 100% online education, respectively. these schools can and will already be used for temporary shelter people during the explosion of the temporary disruption of the heating season, mr. oleksiy, i would like to hear from you about the help of our international partners, in particular if we are talking about some more promising things about

help in terms of energy efficiency, how we are now changing, how we are moving to more technological standards and how they help, in particular , when operational recovery and operational emergency repairs are needed, and here i would like to note the team of the ministry of energy, the team of herman galushchenko and the deputy ministers of the relevant directors of the department who take care due to this problem of coordination of international aid, relevant funds have been created and they coordinate both aid at the level of regions and at the level of individual energy 14 gas companies, or ukrenergo, and the equipment that needs the energy ceptor, there are already coordinates, a huge amount of thousands of tons of this equipment was distributed among different subjects, also note that colleagues said there, for example, we need to store transformers there, natasha's question, when you communicate with foreign companies, manufacturers this equipment will not be called the world leader german european companies, they ask

to inform them in advance about the nomenclature of this equipment because it is on they don't have it in their warehouses and it has to be manufactured. that is, she says the transformer, its cycle was manufactured in i don't know the year, and that's why they say please give us some orders. they are looking for a financing mechanism or from the german library in order to transfer the equipment to the ukrainians, and there are many very successful ones . -e options for cooperation that are implemented and will be implemented, also a lot depends on us, for example, we have the city of okhtyrka what uh-uh, now the heating is completely destroyed as a result of a missile attack back in march of the russian federation, for example, we in oil and gas have invested our own funds and are now building bio-boiler plants on pellets there, that is, the old kopyatite site will be completely burned for bioresources, it is enough to ensure this, we are working with ruslan serhiy's team in the ministry of environmental protection, of course, agencies for that to

provide the appropriate resource at the appropriate price is very difficult. i now see how in our ministry, especially with regard to gifts, because they supply and to the front for free and provides you with firewood so that there are supplies, they take the beauty of the country on the line of collision. and there are such heating points or to schools or other public buildings in order for people to survive, because we are not talking about comfort right now, we are talking about survival as a result of these military attacks. that is, we are sending a signal, for example, oil and gas that it is possible to replace gas and make this green transition and green restoration of our economy. well, we believe that the recipe for international aid , including our development, is three things: first, increasing gas production, and we do this even during the war, e.e., registering separate wells,

second - this is energy saving, energy efficiency , i.e. both the technological re-equipment of our cities' networks of e-e boiler houses and the thriftiness of people, yes. and we see that people are very enthusiastic about energy companies and the government regarding the action of screwing up are the peak hours of teapots or others excluded , and the third is the transfer of the country to bio-based, more energy-saving, more energy-efficient, and this is our energy security. well, innovative development, mr. ivan. and what about renewable energy , because it seems to me that when we in general , we talk about energy, we forget about it , i came across information that the russian invasion or the russians are the occupiers, they destroyed almost 100% of wind generation facilities, well, most of our energy has been restored now after all, they develop more actively in rural areas and there are a number of factors for this. the first point

is that rural village councils or city councils on the territory of which there are rural settlements have the opportunity to sow energy vines and energy plants, which will then be used here as well it is much easier for them to move due to the fact that communal facilities are smaller in area, they are schools, hospitals, kindergartens, etc., medical facilities, etc. , they are smaller and it is easier for them to install these boilers, alternatives for an alternative restored of fuel than to do it in big cities, but the cities are also attracted to this program and this in the future. that is, it is a story of more than one year. in fact, it is quite difficult to switch large power plants and heating plants to renewable sources at the moment, because this is also the logistics of these warehouses for collection the question is about the replacement of equipment, the retraining of personnel, but the cities are moving forward in this regard, if we talk with our own advantage about

such quick replacements of our classic electricity and gas with renewable sources that as far as wind generation is concerned, the occupier country is really hitting on these facilities, er, it is also hitting on energy, on solar energy. but at the same time, if it is somewhat autonomous, i.e. decentralized , do not make huge fields of hundreds of hectares. and when every household will have the opportunity in to install small solar panels on the roof. if individual high-rise buildings can be erected in the same way and become autonomous from the general power grid system, and with the help of solid fuel boilers, we will be able to this is actually for the independence of each individual house, but unfortunately it can not be done quickly enough, that is why it is also finances, and we are actually entering the winter heating season, and the occupying country continues and even intensifies its

attacks on boiler rooms and cat houses and along main power lines and so on , that's why here we are all together each of us and the local authorities and the state are responsible for the passage of this disgraceful season and really, as colleagues have already said, it is about survival and not about comfortable some conditions that were in ours a year ago, oleg, do you want to add something that if we talk about green energy, there may be some legislative changes in the near future, well, look here, i am treating my colleagues, is it necessary to deal with renewable energy with this, so it is necessary. in the heating season of the 22-23rd year, it is unlikely that it will affect, well, in any way, this requires resources and time for what. well, to do it , but on the other hand, today, to my sincere surprise, we already have several applications from foreign

investors who are ready to invest in renewable energy in ukraine for the first time are already looking for an opportunity where it can be done. now we are giving them the opportunity to communicate with some communities there on this matter, including in the kyiv region, and secondly, about what was once again mentioned, the interest in mining investment gas for this and i think i have hope that in the long term we will implement it and in general we will become energy dependent, but we don't need to count on it for this season for this season we have first we will go through it relatively normally, and secondly, we must flourish on two tools , firstly, with our partner, obtaining air defense systems, because without it, we will not protect our electricity grid, and secondly, the rapid supply of the necessary equipment from our western partners, we must work on this already now that i have to wait a year for such a supply, these warehouses should already

be formed by now. maybe we won't use it. but it's better that it be the same as with weapons, weapons almost never happen, energy equipment almost never happens after these shellings the export of electricity was temporarily suspended, but there are already certain signals that the export to some countries may even be increased due to what due to the fact that, as we have already mentioned, we have hit practically on the sources of energy production, those crushing plants did not exist, i.e. we have enough electricity production, except for some chp plants that are actually adapted to reduce the peak regimes , that is, there is a surplus, not a surplus, but a large demand, a large demand for electricity, and most of it is nuclear electricity.

we were not hit, we were hit primarily by the redistribution of electricity, respectively, if we renew and restore our transformer substations, accordingly, we have the surplus of electricity that existed before that, it remains accordingly, there is an opportunity to supply electricity for export we cannot store it we are the only ones to go somewhere so separately for this additional income to the state of land currency that we will use to finance our defense, mr. oleksiy, according to some experts they say that ukraine can earn even more from the export of electricity than from the transit of gas, but now there is a force majeure and a temporary situation since october 11 . with us, they are already paying for the consumed goods that we provided well, it will not

take away bread here, invite mr. kudrytsky, who is the head of ukrenergo, he will tell you the essence of these contracts or if in relation to the gas contracts it it is definitely necessary to invite mr. yury vitrenka, the head of naftogaz, who signed this contract, who personally selected many of them, to the air, we are arbitrators and know how to make money for ukraine, and here the most interesting thing is that the operators are happy to discuss green things in relation to gas, that is, if we in we invest in green things, energy efficiency is a very green thing if we invest in it, you simply invest at the level of cities in the network there, for example, heat losses in the networks there well, i don't know 30 40%. in different in different in other words, we are simply losing the natural gas that we extract with great effort if we have implemented

energy -efficient measures. bread, many mayors have invested everything and they are reducing consumption at home, this means that green investments and trees, the efficiency or heat from rtp, garbage is a program that is now being implemented also in the ministry of defense the environment is a combination of biomethane production, this biogas is purified and somewhere it is the same natural , we finished it back well, it is poured from straw from corn there from others, some kind of translation of all things, it gives technical demand, efficiency, one by one dollars, in relation to not growing, $5 of profit goes to the multiplier and the same green combination of e-e energy with agriculture. what kind of crazy effect do we have? it is indicative of our country and what is most important is that it allows us to earn money not only from exporting electricity and earn from gas export. in this way, we will

gas, which now costs two dollars per ring , we do not sell it for $200. to give a decision that well, i personally support a military moratorium for this season, but no, we don’t know how it will be next year, whether it will be allowed to keep such tariffs for the cities and for the population, we better earn, it’s better to save, it’s just a waste , which is and earn sometimes, unfortunately there are almost no businesses left that are not working , and i, the investor, need to use the potential that exists i completely agree with you, they are investing in this and they want to do it very well, buy our biomethane, buy our hydrogen, which we have not yet produced, we will not in 5-10 years. and all this must be invested now, at least at the level of the documentation project, at the level of technology, at the level of research at the level of negotiations, at the level of restructuring of regulatory rules, creation of, support for sanctions, that is, all this must be done, what we do together with the government from the

verkhovna rada, that is, there is such a joint team, the work is very good, i will add a small phrase, to everyone's surprise, one of the potential e-e exporters of energy resources is hungary. there is such a country, hungary, which is already beginning to feel this situation little by little. is it possible to take some energy resources from ukraine, the same gas? if there is an opportunity, either biomethane or even pellets, that is, they have already understood that russia for them, they are not one hundred percent guaranteed suppliers, they are already looking in the direction of ukraine and already about the match this story, are they energy politicians or mr. orban directly? is working in this direction, of course, in the end , just before the practical part of our broadcast of our conversation in ukraine, it is possible that there are enough opportunities to go through the winter period with a stable electricity supply and heating with hot water, the

head of the parliamentary committee on energy and housing and communal services, andrii gerus, said about this on the air of the marathon, the only news says two factors affect this: fuel reserves, our state has managed to ensure exactly the necessary amount of fuel and the readiness of the infrastructure for this factor may be affected by russian missile strikes on october 10-11, some critical infrastructure facilities were destroyed. however, for now the situation has stabilized, reserves have been used and the load has been redistributed, and all consumers are receiving electricity. however, ukrainians are asked to consume responsibly and save energy. uh actually uh this winter the consumer will have electricity and heat and work is being done on this so that all consumers can live peacefully this winter the only thing is that uh they apply very often and i also apply

to consumers remember about frugal use and especially we have if we talk about electricity, such a critically difficult period of the day and when there is a peak load on the power system , it is from six to ten in the evening, 18:00 it is necessary to 22:00 to minimize the consumption of electricity as much as possible please ivan, is there any advice for all ukrainians to reduce consumption if possible not to use electrical appliances, tell me here in the studio we have representatives of the legislative power of the executive power at the central level maybe more there are some needs of the communities and the municipalities . why did you appeal to the central government? perhaps something else needs to be changed, perhaps the legislative branch in order to pass this heating season without obstacles. well, for this disgraceful season, we, again, as an association of cities , worked with with the government of ukraine with people's

deputies actually starting with the end of the previous heating season and here i would like to express my words of gratitude to the government because this year a new method of compensation for the difference was signed in tariffs, which actually enables our municipalities to pass the heating season more easily , because the state compensates for this difference for utility companies as a result of some fixed price for energy resources fixed by the state for private consumers and for utility companies, and this is such a big step forward that will enable and already today it makes it easier for ukrainian municipalities to pass the heating season and actually have money in their accounts in order to be able to pay salaries to employees on the one hand utilities of these institutions, and on the other hand, to have the opportunity, guys, quickly from the reserve funds in the event of some critical situation to repair these

objects that are damaged . season in the context of the fact that we need to save, we need to save, we need to solve our problem together now. well, maybe, in principle, we have all talked about what is about calls to citizens, first of all, to save, that is, not mindlessly use those energy resources that they have the opportunity to obtain; secondly, who has the opportunity to make their building, their house, their house, their apartment more energy efficient and do it now, do not postpone it for the period when it will be too late if there is

an opportunity in winter to come to of a private building that may be energy-intensive, it is still better to take advantage of such an opportunity, but in the end i would like to assure you that we and the central government and the local government with which we work side by side and try to hear each other and listen to each other to help we will do everything so that our ukrainians come this winter more or less mildly and pass with the warmth of electricity, we will make maximum efforts for this, and even if we get damage somewhere in our restructuring, we will still try to repair all the repairs in a day or two to carry out work in order to restore energy supply by the way, what we proved from odessa on october 10-11, when in one day in one day , practically everything was restored and everything worked as they worked on the ninth and 8th of october, that is, we live in hope that everything will be fine, but we are preparing to the worst for you

thank you to all the participants of this conversation oleksiy ryabchyn , adviser to the vice-prime minister on european and euro-atlantic integration, adviser to the chairman of the board of naftogaz of ukraine, joined us via skype, ivan fursenko , adviser to the association of cities of ukraine, and oleg hunda, chairman of the construction committee and design of the verkhovna rada committee on the organization of state power, local self-government , regional development and urban planning, a nationwide marathon was with us in the spasybi studio the only news continues in the studio worked for you olga nimtseva and i maksym zbrovskyi we do not say goodbye and we advise you not to switch unconquered cities of ukraine odessa is a picturesque city on the shores of the black sea since ancient times the territory of modern odessa was

a delicacy for the ottoman empire and the russian empire of nazi germany and today for of fascist russia, but don't get on my mother's nerves, she has a ukrainian heart. she is unconquered in the morning when going to work. you smile at your neighbor. the neighbor will thank the barista for his coffee with a nice tip. she will buy them a warm scarf and part of the money , the rest will go to a bronik or a fairy tale for someone else in your neighbor, every day of ours, every step, every deed can protect those who protect us thanks to you , our dear defenders and protectors, we smile in the morning, we thank each

other, the border of freedom, the border of dignity, the border humanity, the border of indomitability, the border of victories, the state border service of ukraine, the primacy of honor, the rules of a warm country. this winter, no house will be stolen . get together with your neighbors insulate your house and

your apartment check the electrical wiring take care of alternative means of heating make an action plan in an extreme situation help each other we will overcome the winter together what to do if the electricity goes out if the power line breaks on the street near you do not touch the wires and do not try to fix them do not approach the place of the accident is closer than 8 m, if you come closer with small hooks or jumps while keeping your feet together, report this to oblenergo or the dispatcher, the numbers are on the switchboard or transformer substations go to shelter or home if you are at home, turn off all electrical appliances from the sockets if during an accident if it is cold at home , do not use gas stoves for heating there is a danger of carbon monoxide poisoning if there is an elevator in the house, make sure that no one is stuck in it, find out from elderly neighbors or they need help watch out for the officers