they drank in order to hide their crime, this is also self-evident, because they hated them, if they treated us ordinary civilians like that. because when one of our chaplains was hit so hard on the head and to the knee, and alexander, our chaplain chokov, asks that sweet soldier what did you hit me for, and the soldier's answer was that i would kill him for, you understand, i would kill him for, and they absolutely hated me. i see that it is very difficult for you to talk about it, you pass it all through yourself as your pain first of all, then otherwise it can't be if bucha if raisin is destroyed and burned

in mariupol, you touched your heart here , firstly, where is the person and secondly, you are not ukrainian , war is pain, war is terrible, war is loss, it is a pity that we now have to go through this test of the freedom that is being fought for in it hurts the standing and growth of the nation. because the souls and bodies of the best are laid on the altar of its will, it hurts. but when i

open the bible, such words are written there that bring comfort to my heart. the lord says who will lay down his life for his brothers, because there is no greater love in those crowns in the kingdom of heaven are already in heaven and we still have to work and we still have to fight and we still have to defend well, as a military chaplain, you now have to find a lot of words in order to comfort loved ones, it's difficult. the bible helps. the word of god helps. find that comfort, because jesus says

what is a person to you if you gain the whole world and lose your soul? what is the point in this life, then, in this life , you comfort your mother and father with these words, you comfort your child and wife with these words, the choice is difficult, big on my heart, i repeat, we lose the best, we lose better now, and today we were at the cemetery, literally, there was

only one option. and now it was three and a half, you saw a mother whose son died on the front lines. it's hard to find words of comfort. the boys were burned there. i love to give birth to children before we build, but they just got fired because

they were ukrainians and nazified. and in 30 years, a nation of free people of free cossacks has grown up, and they will not become slaves. i saw it in the eyes of a young soldier who was with me in to that tent filtration camp when the child is 22 or 23 years old, he stands cowering and in his eyes there is no fear in his eyes, only the desire for freedom and hatred for the soldier who holds him

. i was already afraid, it was very scary, but i had no right, even with that child, to show that i was afraid. that's why my family got up and barely came up with a command to pray, get up, get up, pray, our father, that i am in heaven, and they asked then the victory, but every enemy and adversary there in captivity forced us to stand meekly to the anthem of russia, we stand meekly, we stand meekly, and we stood and our father, what to them in heaven, hallowed be your name, they beat those iron doors with clubs i can read prayers even after being thrown into a solitary confinement we were held captive

together by border guards and chaplains for 43 days. on april 9, ukraine managed to return everyone home. and what did you say to the ukrainians? this is a difficult time. we open the bible and it says fight bravely because god is fighting for you god is fighting for us only we still have to stand up and win back and defend this freedom in order to leave to our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren an independent villa, a civilized, european , rich and spiritual and material state, amen.

keep calm and trust the energy workers, the power supply will be restored quickly when we are afraid when it hurts when we no longer have the strength, we are supported by faith, faith in those who yesterday were a student who fell asleep on steam and a colleague who always brought goodies, faith that our heroes will win back, protect, raise and in the end they will defeat us, hope does not leave us, hope for ourselves and our strength hope is not a strong shoulder, a friend, hope for our indomitable people, we are inspired by love

, love, their faces will be seen in the news of lviv awarded, they are unknown and they are not counted, they report on enemy positions, put up leaflets and they blow up the traitors, they are bringing victory closer and because of them the earth is burning under the enemy's feet because this is our land . glory to the ukrainian partisans.

the enemy and drafts to congratulate our brothers at the front and relatives from the front-line zone in the rear, we will bring victory closer and on the front line and at home we will win the winter together children of war wounded and dead missing people deported and displaced if you know any information about a missing or deported child, report it on the state portal children of war at the address children of work.gov.ua or by calling 0 850 17:20 help bring the child home

, the marathon is ongoing, the only news on the air, the intera information service and the accent program my name is oleksiy fadeev congratulations, the full-scale war of russia against ukraine has been going on for 8 months, the war in general has been going on since the 14th year, but was there peace before the 14th, what was ukraine for russia and what was russia for us now ukrainians have no doubt that the image of the enemy of the ukrainian for the russians were created much earlier than 2014, when we realized that we are not dealing with a fraternal people, but with murderous gobblers who hate ukraine and

want to destroy it . we define our enemy and how such a definition affects our self-definition and on the goals of our liberation war, we are talking about this today and our interlocutors are alina frolova, deputy chairman of the board of the defense strategy center and serhiy kuzan, chairman of the ukrainian center for security and cooperation. congratulations, sir. so, i think what should be included in the question? in your opinion, since when was the image of the enemy of the ukrainian created for the russians? what do you think is better ? thank you. it seems to me that this image has always existed if we look at the system documents. which were produced stably there by the russians in any form, starting there from the tsarist times, ukraine as an independent state was always

a threat to them, and modern russia is actually there. ukraine this is a threat to the existence of russia, and actually an image was created. let's say that he was perhaps less of an enemy, but more of an ignorant peasant, someone who is subordinate and someone who is weaker, more stupid. that is, it went like this disarmament of the dignity of self-perception, and this image was constantly imposed. yes, at the right moments, they really include this hostility, that is, they begin to form, and we can remember what , for example, in the 14th year, when the first attack took place, and russia did not perceive - ordinary russians did not perceive ukraine as an enemy, and later, when public opinion measurements began, that's when the perception of ukraine's actual hostility began to creep in, and it actually

had such a decisive meaning that it took off already somewhere in the 16-17 year, when it was clear that ukraine will not succumb to russian manipulation and enter the zone of influence, that is, in fact, in other words, you have informed that this is the image of the enemy, he lived somewhere, he had a historical background, yes, and somewhere in the region of 15-16 years, maybe in the 17th yes it was ignited again. yes, it was activated, so it was activated. that is, it can be said that russia has such preparations that it activates at the right moment. they actually work in the theory of chaos let's say this , that is, they find some weak points or look at how the situation changes and use

them, thus throwing in some completely illogical actions. yes, sometimes it is not clear at all, that is, in their logic of logic, this lash can be logical. yes, we just we live in a slightly different world with a slightly different perception. we are trying to build mutually beneficial relationships. we are closer to the european mentality and that is why this logic seems strange to us, but it exists. for example, if you look even for the change of rhetoric during the a-a period of these e there were 7-8 months, then we started with the fact that ukraine does not exist, it will surrender and that it is a mistake that ukraine intervenes and must surrender, then created ukraine, what kind of country are we at war with nato and that ukraine nazis, but if you look at the last month, then the nazis disappeared from circulation, the word terrorists appeared, and this is exactly what is happening, they monitored that now ukraine is making a lot

of efforts to recognize russia as a terrorist state, and they are actually trying only conditionally saying to turn the mirror and a-a to reflect ukraine as a state don't tell you mr. serhiy and what do you think about us as enemies for them about this image well, really, we can follow the trend that uh, this flywheel was turned on depopulation is precisely this information depopulation, precisely the moments when we resisted, that is, when we had some social upheavals, when we actually chose the western course and not, let's say, the eastern russian one , when we started with a puppet regime, and a little more even earlier, we should understand that this is actually the whole history of our struggle of our liberation struggle, that is, the oun, the upa and the like, that is, it caused repression

. soviet people, that is, this community , the director, they were just the norm, and after that they saw it exactly in the early 90s, that is, indeed, all these mustaches and such fat trousers and all this . some well, let's say they were not far away. they saw it. it is, of course, that in the fourth year, when the russians themselves and russia felt a threat to their statehood, as it came from us from the orange revolution. well, it is of course that in the 14th year, everyone these boys in panties crucify the snows, what were these, i don't know how they seem to non-whites to us. but if we look at the channels of distribution of this information, that is, we understand that this, this bar, these lies, it is significantly overestimated in sick societies and such

social groups they perceive such less critically information and that's why, of course, that is, i absolutely agree with russia. today, we can imagine that they are not inventing their strategies, they are simply mirroring our techniques, and really, when uh, all our politicians, diplomats at all levels, uh, said that russia is a terrorist state, that is, uh- how are our communities, and i, by the way, have done a great job here, our communities, which in all of our western countries constantly leave this and hit this one point, accustom the world to this idea of ​​recognizing russia as a state, and terrorists and russians are nothing came up with an alternative, that is, they decided to simply mirror and that is why they have already lost the information, that is why we can say that if we take this historical retrospect, over the years we have seized the initiative even in such an informational struggle, but say we have seized the initiative, it literally means that you have

meaning that at first it was not there, or was there an image of us as an enemy of the russian well, let's say there until the 14th year, i can't remember. yes, we had some jokes. well, they were quite humane. if it was a gumogu. that humor, the story was always told with a mark like that. well, it's a rubber band, we just laugh , but this is an enemy, an enemy, an enemy, just like that, there was no such image, well, there were some times, no more. when did it happen when this image of the enemy of the russian appeared and now i, er, ask not because there i think it's bad, it's right, i'm absolutely smart, we're fighting when the ukrainians finally adjusted to the right wave that rapists, murderers came to us, i don't know who else is not a person , adjust a little, that is, we didn't have this the image is mass, that is, we must understand that the minds of ukrainians who have studied

history at least a little bit, that is, who er, who studied actually, speaking of their state and its construction, understood that russia , er, russians are our existential enemies. that is , it is undeniable, this has been proven for hundreds of years. of course, under the influence of the occupation and occupation propaganda, a myth was formed in us about all these brotherly peoples, as if there are some more brotherly and some less brotherly, well, that is, absolutely nonsense from the standpoint of any health science. but we had it this myth is rooted in the majority of people in our environment, but after each such upheaval, the number of people who understood that russia is still an enemy, and this percentage was constantly increasing, and of course, ukraine is indeed a great state that is, we are not there, not georgia , not moldova, where you can quickly change. these are the tectonic changes in society. there are many of us.

there are many of us. we are very different. we are very divided. brighter, that is, the struggle did not have to be, and in fact, what we did not do in the 90s, that is, what we were proud of, that we supposedly left so peacefully, divided and the like. well, we had to do it since 2014 and now, that is, it is the same struggle what is our homework, like that of any nation that wants to have its own national state and it has not been fulfilled and it was necessary to cut this obligation with this quasi-quasi-quasi-imperial formation uh-uh i would give myself to the image of the umbilical cord because it must binds binds with the mother and not with some other incomprehensible, everyone says about the umbilical cord, yes, yes , er, actually, that is, it appeared after buchi, after a-and even in the 14th year, he did not contribute, but still there were

many people who thought that well, somehow, it is possible to er, anyway are our neighbors and they are, they are still our neighbors that we need to build some other form of relations. let's say they became active later in the 14th, and only those who were at the front or actively helped the front, who came, who saw, who felt, who knew about torture who knew people who were there basements in isolation and so on about the deaths that happened, that is, those people who passed through the skating rink in 14th year, they already understood who we were dealing with and the rest of ukraine, in fact, i knew several people even before february of this year who already through these people from donetsk passed in a similar way, and from donetsk who were there at that rally in support

of ukraine, who just cut there so so so, this is the first and those people who later i even know a person - this is our journalist colleague who at one time went to what is called the basement donetsk this is absolutely russian-speaking people, well, in everyday life, but they don’t speak ukrainian very well, but in everyday life, you can, but they hate everything related to the russian world. this is absolutely true, and these people have been the bearers of this hatred and rejection of the russian world for quite a long time, until this year, before the start of a full-scale wars well, finally, when on march 31 of this year, when bucha was liberated and everyone saw what happened there at night, let's remember that people came out without weapons, stopped tanks, tried to persuade them, that is, they now understand that there is nothing to talk to these people about, you need to be the first shoot and at that moment people tried to say that maybe people don't understand that maybe some soldiers were

sent, they don't understand that maybe they will refuse , that is, there was hope that the invasion could be resolved through negotiations and stopped, and most of the experts, historians and those who were connected with security and defense were absolutely sure that it would not be possible to come to an agreement, that we had to fight. so we placed great hopes, including on nationwide resistance, which actually worked, and now we have that image of the enemy which really, well, at the very least, will protect not a few generations ahead of ukrainians from wrong steps, you have now touched on a very important topic, uh, i planned this issue near the end, but already if it came to the image that will be preserved, the image of the enemy that will be preserved for several generations, is it true or not should we do it or do we need to do it, why did we lose it, by the way, if now we understand that not everything that was told, to put it mildly, not everything that was

told by soviet propaganda about ukrainian history was true. my death is greatly exaggerated, it's about the same, the same joke lives on. forgive me, and we understand that there were reasons to consider the russians our enemies in our history. there were more than we can imagine, but all of them are due to the falsification of the same history by moscow, they are simply they didn't reach us. i remember my childhood in western ukraine. back then, you could still meet people who said they were muscovites, and even that was perceived more with humor than seriously. do we now have keys in the world where information is stored and broadcast immediately and reliably preserve it and how long it should be preserved, what uh, how is the statute of limitations for this and the question of survival yes, and we must understand that our

children of our children will never trust the russians and this should be such a rational, conditionally speaking approach, because if our survival depends on this, we must constantly invest in the army, we must constantly be in the readiness of the general society, we must understand that there will be informational influences for us, and the situation is unlikely to change there in any foreseeable perspective, therefore that such a form of government and such a form of existence is natural for russia, that is, they have always been like this, unfortunately, i do not see the prospect of their changing, so this is our survival strategy and we have to do it exclusively in order to translate it into a rational channel to be ready and to build international alliances to prepare the population to prepare fortifications and to be ready i will only add yes, i absolutely agree yes indeed this finally we just have to honestly admit that the russians are our

enemies that is and everything and our state and our its essence and survival, again in ukraine , even quote, even write out, the prophets tell the ukrainian artist about it, and uh who else is there in another face, les podervyansky, an interview on one of the tv channels, february 27, 2015, literally russia our natural enemy yes yes it was and it is this fact cannot be denied of course it is an objective reality but again what should we do with it uh well we can't just someone uh just because what to do with it yes and that 's why i think that it is very correct to demand again, think about how to reformat russia in the international, in this class, so that the principle of denazification was fully implemented, that is, it is necessary. well, to be honest, this is a person who is not a high-ranking

, but a nazi-like state entity. mrs. alina, look at russia in this form, absolutely our enemy without problems and that is, with problems but without doubts and if russia imagines a miracle has happened, russia has changed, is going to become nazified, here comes an interesting moment that it ceases to be our enemy at such a moment as you think. the question is whether it ceases to be russia in this form, in which it is because, well, it cannot be a quasi-imperial formation, that is, it cannot be, it cannot have this intensive path of development. i am not trying to justify russia now. i'm trying to figure out what to do with my children , your children and grandchildren, and when we are no longer there and who will tell them about what happened in the year 22 , how are we all fans, to put it mildly, 22 -th

e 24th sorry february and many people did not believe that russia will attack precisely because they have not seen in russia, so they are strange, they don't accept us, but they don't, well, no, well, so russia attacked, but no, i don't believe it, people said here, 24 brothers, well, how can you say that, some say yes i thought absolutely. what should we do with it? what should we do? where should we go ? of ukraine because if you look at the whole history ukrainians, you will clearly understand that the threat always came out like this, and if we work with it, i don't want to

say it again. yes, but let's say the difference in europe is that they moved away from it, they realized at some point that such a policy leads to undesirable results. that there are times when you win and times when you lose and it's better to build on other principles, they survived this imperialism, most of their countries and they are moving forward russia did not survive this imperialism and it is so britain managed to transform from an empire to a commonwealth absolutely and everyone managed actually russia is the last of the empires and imperialist thinking a-a such a state and that’s exactly it and it should be , relatively speaking, an indicator of whether i believe that the russians will suddenly change. no, i do not believe, because i first understand that the entire population that currently exists there