such an organization of the all-ukrainian association svoboda, deputy head of the vo svoboda faction in the lviv city council, petro chernyk, a military expert, a reserve colonel of the sbu of the mykolaiv armed forces, i apologize velichkovych, mykola is also with us, a people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity, deputy minister of internal affairs of ukraine in 2014, viktor galchynskyi, an economist express fuel- of energy issues good evening taras stetskiv people's deputy of ukraine of five convocations good evening yury kamenchuk people's deputy the servant of the people of ukraine says it once again. good evening, mr. worm. well, i agreed so, but i meant that you will say so in reserve in the defense system of ukraine, in the end now. probably every conscious ukrainian should be in the defense system in one place or another. who is where? mr. danilov and i began to discuss in detail the offensive from belarus and energy security. in fact, your

opinion is interesting on all issues, but i still want to ask, you know, in this entourage of a semi-darkened studio, how can we protect electricity ? our energy system from missiles, because we heard that well, there are conventionally daggers that, in principle, do not work hm against air or anti-missile defense, what are our prospects in the context of the fact that, judging by everything, at least before this, the j20 is so much faster than all the tactics of the russians will not change or something. perhaps you know other information, so-and-so russia will not change, it is like they bombarded our territory with missiles and, unfortunately , now with these shaheds of the 136th they will do it , but i would still like to give a very serious something an optimistic message to all of us purely in terms of the military closure of the sky, the first moment what happened was unprecedented in the armory in

rudki, in general, there is such a written rule in the world that first arm yourself and then transfer or sell, so this is the first time this rule has been violated . germany, they gave us the most modern system in the average radius of the aristi, which has no analogues , it is actually incredibly high-quality, you can talk about it for a long time about its characteristics, but the very fact that it happened is that this system has reached us arrived and is already working, it shows that there is a strategic psychological revolution in the west in the understanding of which enemy we are dealing with, and the second indicator is also very serious . developed in the 1960s, but there is a nuance: missiles do not stand still, they are endlessly modernized, they are endlessly developing, and the most important feature of this missile is that more than 40,000 of them were manufactured. well, as an expert, you can no one can guarantee that these missiles will not be disposed of,

if spain said that it would hand them over, it is guaranteed that something else will take their place, and therefore the total missile potential of our air defense will increase in the coming weeks and months, but there are nuances, i fully share the position of the secretary of the security and defense council 100%, heaven does not closes again, a specific example, the famous israeli system, iron dome, has been working since 2012, works against homemade rockets, i emphasize the palestinians, i can’t do anything serious, this is a projectile for which they attached the engine, released it, and unfortunately, despite the high knock-down ratio , they intercepted more than 400 objects, they still worry about the arrival , why our enemy, in the first place, also has experience in the construction of missile technologies, our enemy must talk about it, developed the main anti -aircraft means against us s200 s300 and so then he understands

the philosophy of how to look for cracks there, but the most important indicator is because we are in a lot of pain now and he is very serious about what we have to do with school and with these so -called mopeds, but we do not say what with 43 37 objects were shot down. well, believe me, this is a very high percentage of 86%. no country in the world has yet had such a precedent for combating precisely such objects , all air defense systems that were born in the 50s and 60s were developed for large objects , bombers, attack aircraft, fighter aircraft , helicopters, etc. and what we are in a matter of days these algorithms were able to build this is actually a very serious indicator, i in no way belittle the threat, it was and will be, however, the level of the integrated sky defense system will increase, i emphasize once again by 100% or we will not close it unfortunately

do we hear the roar of a moped or do we hear the operation of anti-aircraft signaling, that is, anti-aircraft defense, we must take care of ourselves in a dry surplus in the coming months, our algorithms for working against the enemy will increase significantly, i am 100% sure of this. if they were preparing that exactly such a stage should come now in the fall, they will do this massive attack on our energy systems, or is this a change in their tactics in accordance with what was happening in them on the fronts, their defeats that they suffered under the leadership of those in they were preparing that they were actually preparing for the destruction of ukrainian statehood, thriving as an independent, normal, civilized ukraine, they don’t need another slave nation, in the end we have to remind the rise of the muscovite empire here, there are historians who support me,

it started only after muscovy absorbed ukraine, that’s how it should be look, they failed to inflict a military defeat on us , they suffer a strategic defeat on the battlefield and resort to classic tactics that are for them understood in the historical context before the terror , striking our vital infrastructure is nothing but a classic act of terrorism. and the fact that they entered into an alliance with the terrorist country iran, because it is also a terrorist country, a pariah country, an exile country, is evidence that the second army of the world, which until recent years, it was considered the second exporter of weapons and armaments, the whole world is on the path of gradation of its military-industrial complex and it will inevitably collapse . however, i am not optimistic that this will happen in the coming months are a problem for years, and maybe even up to ten years, but everything is moving in the right direction, the most important thing is to endure this

ahead, which will be a very difficult and difficult winter , i am 100% sure that the real breakdown will begin somewhere in the spring, that is why they are so furious right now and they are trying to improve their conditions for potential negotiations by november 15, the chief here is in full solidarity with our secretary of the security and defense council, talking about such unofficial military alliances, er, russia, tyrants, you know, i am a good, simple and good ukrainian saying what kind of driving was that way, each other p . galchynsky, but we are facing a really difficult winter. we understand very well that now the main topic of chats in many apartment buildings, both in lviv and in kyiv, is the purchase of portable battery generators, what to do, how to survive, how much everything is critical in your opinion and what are the potential potentials of the ukrainian energy system, understanding that the attacks will continue and

well, probably unfortunately, despite the fact that the anti-aircraft system will work effectively of the defense of ukraine, but somewhere such flights will occur and we will have to repair it, how can our energy work in such a regime? well, for me, today, the biggest threat to our energy system, both electricity, gas and thermal energy, is still russian military strikes. terrorist country, we have a country that despises international law here, i think it is worth noting that attacks on civilian objects and attacks on energy objects, in particular, nuclear e-e power plants are a gross violation of the geneva conventions to the additional protocol to the 49th convention, unfortunately, we must be ready for everything , and as consumers, first of all, what we are doing now is calling for

economical electricity in order to to ensure a balance between consumption and e-e and production and rather sometimes we can produce but this is because the enemy is attacking our e distribution substations there is no way to deliver electricity so our power engineers do the impossible they do very quickly they are building temporary bypasses, e.e., bypass lines regarding the power industry, you can in principle be more relaxed here, but the issue of thermal energy, the issue of the gas system, after all, it is quite difficult , because all this infrastructure was built, e.e., back in the soviet union, unfortunately, the main locations, the main points are known to the enemy and therefore we must be ready for everything and, in principle, as everyone, every

family , every condominium, every city must have its own plan b. that where all our energy facilities are located is known to our enemy because it was all built mostly during the soviet era and they know everything. and do you have any advice about your view of the future? well, we understand that most likely we, with this russian federation, with the leadership of this russian organization, will still be able to live there for a certain period of time, it is possible in some way to reorganize this energy system in safer, more secret places, well, first of all, this is decentralization, decentralization, and once again decentralization once upon a time, when i was still more than 10 years old, since i actually worked in the fuel and energy complex, you know that i was the spokesman for naftogaz of ukraine, then there were the first conversations about this, but then there was no goal. that is, we could not imagine this military threat , but we understood that we needed it precisely in 2005-2006, when the first

russian-ukrainian gas war began, when russia used this energy weapon against us and sharply limited our gas supply. we understood that communal heat energy is heat losses that transportation is actually underway to switch to smaller boiler houses that would serve e.e. individual quarters and individual districts but would have an appropriate margin of safety so that in case something happens to one object e.e. very quickly as the electricity industry is currently working e. switch and provide unfortunately then it was not taken into account, well, i think it is necessary to voice it again and at least for the future , and after our victory, to build and rebuild the power system, especially in the part of the gas gas system in the part of heat generation, in such a way the method of the electric power industry is obviously already being rebuilt, because they forced us to do so, i.e. those substations that were destroyed, others should be built in new places that will be less known a few

hours before the start of our broadcast, the extensive commentary on the project says the great lviv, maksym kozytskyi gave about the state of the energy industry in the lviv oblast, risks this is the head of the lviv military-civilian administration, briefly let's listen, at the moment we still have problems with electricity supply, this is especially felt during peak hours, morning peak hours and evening hours peak at the moment electricity has done everything so that people have the opportunity to get water and electricity yes and if we do not take a responsible attitude to consumption we will have problems or have shutdown fans at the moment we are talking with industry about limiting industrial supplies to industrial facilities we from our side, we ask them to understand us and what to do if, if possible, we switch to the technological process of production in the evening time or work in the third shift, so who will it be possible to do it? i think they will also listen and will meet us, we understand that this is not a popular google, but this is a forced step on our

part, everything is being done so that those graphics are not outages, postpone yes, postpone the disconnection of people, but on the other hand, maybe today we will limit the evening time and the gdańsk hour, we will not reduce the work of advertising signs for the time being street lighting, because it is about safety, but if necessary, of course, we can also take the next steps to people, the appeal is very simple, or less electrical appliances, light bulbs that consume there will be a large amount of electricity, including during peak hours, the more likely it is that we will get through these difficult times now without power outages due to repair work, the work is ongoing but in order to restore the work of those substations, it will take six to 8 months, at the moment, the situation is critical , electricity and supplies are working according to

the temporary scheme, there is not enough power, if several more substations are removed in the territory of the lviv region, the situation will be completely different, more critical. usually it it will be necessary to switch from the affected stations to operating substations again, and this will again lead to a decrease in the power that can be supplied to subscribers, then again we will talk about other switching schedules, we will talk to you in our chats under broadcasts on the youtube channel, great lviv, please share that how do you save , how do you join this all-ukrainian e-e saving of electricity because it is important, maybe you have some life hacks, write about it, we will be able to read them on the air, i have already seen what some people write about what does he do as the government says and acts absolutely correctly here, he turns on the washing machine at night after after 10 p.m., including with us there are

experts on skype with whom we can talk in even more detail about this whole story oleksiy kucherenko should be people's deputy of ukraine from the homeland, minister of housing and communal affairs of ukraine in 2007-10, this is the most worst scenario that these drones will fly and hit our energy systems and there will be no light for a long time, of course we do not want there in any case to intimidate, to build some ak into a calyptic picture, but we have to be frank with our audience with the ukrainians because we think it is so. that's right, how do we prepare for this? ukraine was the focus of the attack and suffered the most at the moment from the point of view of the critical infrastructure of electricity transportation, er, i

won't say anything new now, i 'll just repeat what my colleagues and they said absolutely right, now we all have to focus on reducing our own consumption, reducing the amount of energy we take from the network during peak hours, why is it so clear, the fewer people remain connected to the networks, unfortunately, really 40%. approximately, the networks in ukraine are already damaged and further it won't get better now. we are working very hard to restore the networks as quickly as possible, and emergency crews and dispatchers are literally working around the clock to restore the damaged and bypass the damage. which have already happened, and as much as possible there, you know, sometimes very

original technical solutions, but for 100%, it will not restore the power and what the head of the administration said. i fully supported the more you saved today, the fewer emergency shutdowns occurred in ukraine, let's join kucherenka in this conversation. well, everything- anyway, in continuation of what natalya asked, it was oleksandr kharchenko, president zelenskyi spoke about the probability of several scenarios and everyone is considering it that way, including the most critical ukrenergo, which stated that different the scenario is being considered. let's start with the worst, but the most critical scenario is the one . i'm sorry, the sound is a little lost and the question. i didn't hear the most critical scenario that is being considered. what are these big cities without electricity for a day and two weeks?

look. well, seriously, because when i heard there from to one politician that they have 72 scenarios, so i started to laugh a little, unfortunately, but i draw your attention, it is a very good symptom that the president personally addresses the nation with certain messages in the last two days, this is evidence of that and i i know that he is personally concerned with this issue and that he personally understands it very deeply. this is an unconditional plus , but it is the reality of such a management system. i am not a philosophical matter. now the main risks are not a simple question, because here it is definitely the main thing. today we see that this factor has become military, that is, missile drones strike all in ukraine, i know about coming to you in the region. i know. by the neighboring ba- literally means amber. you have this dobrotvir. i know and around kyiv you can see. where are they hitting? i don't want to

in this secret. they always hit. on specifically at the power generating stations, like them and at the centers. well, there is specialization somewhere, so the first risk is the loss of generation at our station. although they have not yet had a single hit of this type, well , there has not been a catastrophic one, because they do not fall through the bags, they fall through the substations near the station of these, that is, those in the network that transmit this energy generation, they are trying to restore it, it is possible according to a temporary scheme, reliability is certainly lost, but restoration is taking place there , the main risk is uh, unconditional strikes on in substations, the transformers are on automatic transformers, because they are very expensive and artificial transformers, especially when there is a transition

from 750,330 in the kyiv region to another, but there are big risks because there are no such transformers and they are there. to win in zaporizhzhia, he will not be able to now zaporizhzhia transformers must be ordered - it is 6 months and so on. what i am leading to is that we may have a situation and we have lost power, especially against the background of the loss and withdrawal from the balance of the zaporizhzhia station, then there are restrictions in emergency mode, what we see at this time is that the energy industry is not trying to restore capacity, but we are losing the network, that is, the ability to transfer electricity from the west to the center or from the center to the west, that is, in some regions there is a surplus, in other regions there is a deficit . trying to restore it is the second risk and definitely the main hope here. i'm sorry. to the lord god and to the air defense, or rather, first of all to the air defense and secondly to the lord god, forgive me, lord, that's how you

should be a system, so to speak, and what today we after the last strikes, we are finally quickly getting very powerful modern air defense systems, and the military and energy experts have already announced this, and the president has already announced that we have literally changed in the last few weeks , the air defense system has become much more powerful, there is a third risk that no one is talking about yet, tomorrow at 10 :00 i will take part in the headquarters of the national under the chairmanship of the minister of cher but, unfortunately, the planned tasks of the government on the accumulation of gas were thwarted. the task was to accumulate 19 billion. the task was to accumulate 2.6 million tons of coal, one and a half tons of coal has been accumulated , the heating season has not started, and the coal in warehouses is decreasing, although it should be accumulating, this is a resource risk of mysteries, we do not feel it, but

it will definitely hit us somewhere in the middle of winter , it will be january february, march, when there will be a shortage of coal, by the way, they are hitting pavlograd, you understand, and in pavlograd there are also problems with the mines in lviv, well, there is another problem there , financial problems with wages wage arrears, a drop in production, and so on, this is resource and gas as well. when coal works, these stations will have to be converted to gas, and this is a very expensive pleasure in conditions of gas shortage and non- accumulation. these are the risks of the future period, but what i am leading to is that we have to the last committee, a heated discussion between me and gerus, with which i do not agree, they believe that only filial hours should be saved, first of all, the population.

everything works smoothly with coal. and i will tell you one unpleasant secret. our system of tariff formation is built in such a way that the population in our country, well, tv electricity is subsidized even by the energy atom that supplies electricity for the population. he and i sell it to you and me for 15 kopecks , you understand. i understand your question what why hryvnia 48 hryvnias for 64 is 15 kopecks of energodama and the rest is ukrenergo high-voltage networks and oblenergo distribution networks, you understand what it is and that's why, unfortunately, i'm telling you the truth that electricity for the population, this is essentially a subsidy today, and in this situation, in the first place , those who consume up to 200 to 250 kw/h of electricity have to be provided, but those who consume more, then the question is what, in my

opinion, should they have to pay, well, at least the cost price. how to do this has been discussed for a long time, and i think that today the government will be forced to do it, because today the option is being considered for those who consume more than 500 kw/h to pay for this delta already the market value in any which the case should work, so far the government is trying to convince people with appeals, but the prime minister said today that they cut it by only 8% even in kyiv, you know, not poor kyiv, and therefore i think that in the near future it is necessary to apply such an informational appeal to people regarding savings regimes but for a few years glass is our participant, but how many percentages do you think it is necessary to reduce the consumption of electricity and only eight but in order not to scare people with armageddons because we really have to live, see in

first of all 5%. of the wealthy population of ukraine consumes 25% of electricity, this is the part of the population that, first of all, it is necessary to carry out appropriate measures there, you understand. because we will not have time to do the others quickly, unfortunately, we have not equipped them with three-zone meters and so on, so all the measures are now normal and the government's appeal is economic, but the main thing is in order to have an honest position in relation to the people , it cannot be that we urge them to save, and at this time oil and gas companies drive bentleys, i'm sorry, and fatten themselves with their salaries and their paintings and offices, it was not so, so it cannot be, that is why order is brought to the energy monopolies, the tariff policy is completely transparent, they must be completely open, and accordingly, then you can turn to people and ask them to save, because business, as your head of the military

administration rightly said, they will bend like this, you understand, they will force business e-e to save and pay for them. absolutely different, they will stay for the night and so on , but our population needs an honest, open, transparent partnership e system of relations from the government. the main goal, which needs to be done quickly, we don’t have time . thank you oleksii kucherenko, the people ’s deputy of ukraine. in fact, all the information about people who drive bentleys to monaco and say that they will bring a humanitarian woman somewhere surprises ukrainians, but now i think you know that our most important goal is to survive pass the winter, and then we will definitely deal with all these people who, during the full-scale invasion of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine, introduced such a way of life, mr. kovalchuk you as a lawmaker what do you think and what steps should we all take together now to ensure that

at least the minimum level of warmth and living standards despite all these attacks during the winter was preserved in the territory of the whole of ukraine well, first of all, make a law so that diapers are not carried on bentleys from the moment a further , if you are serious, you already have a certain initiative. thank you for giving me your word. we did not work for a bill together with the ministry of energy on the so-called energy storage or the energy storage system. and this is what is extremely important now currently, unfortunately , what could have been created has not been launched at the state level in a short period of time, but it is what is used in many cities in europe and the world in japan, in japan energy storage using hydrogen is widely used and there are also home installations that work perfectly because countries like japan and some other civilized countries understand the price of energy dependence, and europe, which we have

watched for a very long time very close to us at a very short distance, when really now the whole world says that europe only tried to produce something at the expense of cheap resources and normally tried not to supply the whole world, but in germany itself, for example, for the past few years, we have been constantly shown installations that for some reason do not work on gas, but on wooden tickets and moreover, the wood for these piles or even ready-made tickets are supplied from ukraine in most cases. unfortunately, we do not have many such installations; individual leaders of individual communities transfer from centralized to gas some kind of heating for similar installations in which installations should be done much more if globally i would just name a few simple factors to think as much as possible about the energy dependence of both entire regions and individual cities and individual villages and individual microdistricts in cities where it must be

clear that several sources of electricity supply with the possibility of its accumulation. will it be batteries? will it be any gas-fired plants? will it be a system that will produce electricity from, for example, the same methanol there are excellent generators that are also produced in germany, they can be produced in us, methanol is converted into hydrogen and is produced perfectly at a good cost, electricity can be done in ukraine, and these strategies are now just beginning to be implemented on the run by european countries that have seen that everything is a hook for such the price of gas will not be relevant. a few days ago, we had a belgian mp who named the payment that will come to ordinary citizens for heating. apartment imagine, that is, unfortunately, they buy

gas at prices with sweat, not according to some long-term contracts and which do not exist, that is, i am talking now about belgium in particular a and this is what should be predicted further in the future if we talk about a short period, let us do and then two words about the laws, but now, not about the laws , ordinary people and community leaders should think about the provision of real heating points, the presence of diesel generators at all critical infrastructure facilities of the military objects if it is also possible to predict and you know if there is no possibility somewhere uh, the government and