from the roots of the city of ukraine, odesa, a picturesque city on the shores of the black sea, since ancient times, the territory of modern odesa was a delicacy for the ottoman empire and the russian empire, nazi germany, and today for fascist russia, but don't be rude to my mother, she has a ukrainian heart unconquered unconquered cities of ukraine are cozy kherson pearl of the protected territories of ukraine, the city played

a significant role in the creation of statehood, became the southern center of the ukrainian revival during the great terror, the nkvd shot for nationalism almost thousands of places, and the kherson leadership of the oun, led by bohdan bandera, actively fought against the german invaders, because an angry kherson citizen will go bare-handed against the enemy column, but will not bow down to the occupier . will affect the quality of our messages and our analysis, the best ukrainian experts and khrystyna yatskiv" while the entire territory of our country, with the

exception of the occupied crimea, is in the regime of the air alert, they report that fighter jets are in the airspace of belarus. by the way, antin mentioned in the context of the recent statements of the president of this country, oleksandr lukashenka, that there is also information about missile activity from the territory of the occupied crimea . there will be operational information on the situation from the ukrainian regions, we will definitely inform. well, for now, we must understand that the enemy will continue to implement our energy infrastructure, and this leads to the fact that we all need to consciously approach the economy mode of electricity in particular. well, our energy is very complex. this is the picture that we will cover now with our next guest. yes, volodymyr omelchenko, director of energy and infrastructure programs of the razumkova center, communicate with us . glory to ukraine, volodymyr. we are glad to

see you. there is electricity and communication, there is definitely electricity well, despite all this, we understand that the enemy has not only killed, but will also attack our critical energy infrastructure, in what state is ours now power system because the enemy generally gravitates towards the implementation of a complete blackout, yes, this is understandable. it started today, not yesterday, not in principle. in particular, they relate to connection points with power lines, that is, he

advises on the most negative substations - not always the infrastructure is cracked and the most vulnerable , and in this he has some successes. but despite this, i do not foresee any there means everything of the apocalypse does it somehow super mean such a blackout disaster no this is not interested in us voro- our voro and we are already observing that uh, no matter how hard it was, no matter how much destruction there was, but for with the help of our energy engineers, the power supply is being restored quickly enough in most populated areas and today the situation is already better than yesterday, yes, yesterday was better than the day before yesterday, and i think that we have sufficient power reserves for today and the emergency crews

are working skillfully, well, we really need to to work on the polo systems and but but they are already arriving from germany, first of all from other countries, anti-drone systems and i think that our energy system will withstand it because it is a structure built according to the ring principle, so if somewhere what is the line power transmission is the passage of this and the substation is damaged, then it is possible to switch this system to backup power and thus restore energy consumption for people, industry, etc. and at the same time, you can also repair damaged equipment in relation to the adviser to the minister of energy, oleksandr kharchenko, noted that he and his colleagues tried to

calculate what was damaged. unfortunately, according to new data , according to the latest results of missile attacks, there is an understanding that 40% of the general infrastructure and our generating capacities are really seriously damaged, and we understand that, nevertheless, energy in to our country, it continues to work and continues to perform its function, which means 40% of damage, this is not a critical point , at times the head of ukrenergo, volodymyr kudrydskyi declares that several variants of the development of the situation with different intensity of damage to the power system have been foreseen and worked out, we consider any scenario, even the most extreme, we calculate how the power system will work under various equations of the levels of destruction and we know what to do in different situations, i would just like to understand what percentage of damage is, according to the power system is already

critical in order to call it extreme well you know i doubt that 40% is damaged perhaps this here figure is somewhat exaggerated to say so but said such damage can be of different levels, it can be such damage that it is possible to repair it, it is possible to remove it within an hour, there are serious damages that will take weeks, months, but hey, i say that our extensive system is one of the most resilient systems power grids in europe, that is, we have 20,000 km of main high-voltage power transmission lines and more than a million e-e kilometers of distribution power grids, about 200,000 e-e transformers as for power, that is, in the design power in the power system is

50, about 50 kw, today we will use about 13 gb, we lost the occupation due to the same damage, the biggest loss is the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, this is clear, and there are about 11 gw of power in the affected area, so we can see that from these figures, i stated that we have enough that we have a serious large surplus of capacity, and their only task is to preserve this surplus of capacity so that we can pass the winter normally and provide emergency emergency equipment emergency equipment means spare parts for all our emergency brigades so that they can cope with these shellings in time, which are expected to continue regularly, as

a matter of fact we are aware that we are fighting an insidious enemy and we understand that the enemy has now placed a bet on the so-called total war, and we understand that he will aim deliberately, aim at the objects of our critical infrastructure, we will not deceive ourselves and reassure ourselves. they gave extremely important examples of what we have steady and stable energy system, but in any case we also understand that specialists of the appropriate level also work for the enemy, so they will answer him, for example, where to hit, but literally an hour ago, we spoke with the spokesman of the mykolaiv military administration, he confirmed that they detained there, for example, an agent who was in charge by the local funeral team, that is, we can only imagine how many collaborators of the energetics can now guide the targets, this is how

it goes, for example, about former employees who left for the russian federation well, and accordingly returning to the topic of the stability of our power system and what is it about in general, what does a stable power system mean, so because yesterday the enemy could hit amber, tomorrow he will hit other generating stations and so on and so on stable, this means that it is enough if it has good reactivity, reactive effect on damage, yes, that is, it is really possible to destroy any energy system, including the ukrainian one, but if you compare it with other european countries, then probably our energy system the most stable, yes, that is, and we can see it on the examples of clarity, i don’t think that any country, no other energy system in europe could

withstand such a blow, how can the ukrainian energy system withstand it, that’s why i do n’t want people, so to speak, to frighten one more time and not be so frightened means i think that we will be able to pass this serious period every day the number of air defense systems in our country is increasing, the experience of our armed forces in combating drones has been acquired years ago in emergency brigades they work productively and efficiently 24/7, but of course if the system is bombarded, the bombing will continue indefinitely , no, no system, including the ukrainian one, will not survive, but we will hope that our armed forces and our air

defense are a plus. i think in the end it is very much for us it is important to get a weapon of retaliation so that he clearly knows that a blow to kiev, so to speak, will be answered by moscow, a blow to kharkiv will be answered there, conditionally speaking, by tula, then only in this case can we expect these essentials, essentially, that's all shift and how to say security, but for now it is still a long way off, so we will be going through very difficult times. especially i would say that these difficult times will be until the very end . due to attacks on electricity, relatively speaking, we may have

problems with water supply, for example, because in order for people to have water, electricity must work accordingly, it is much easier to survive the heating season if there is not enough gas in the storage when you have a stably working socket again, you can always plug in a heater, well, that is, this interchangeability of a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-e-a different energy sources in our everyday life, it played a big role and helped us in other difficult political energy periods of our recent history, it's normal it was supposed to pass, but at the same time, we understand that now the enemy is not just attacking us and we realize that uh, for many people, this may threaten that there will be no water and there may not be gas, where uh, nevertheless if we talk about gas we have good news, ukrgazvvybuvannya informs

about the launch of a well with a daily output of more than 140,000 cubic meters of gas in the kharkiv region , he speaks about this openly referring to the head of the board of naftogaz of ukraine yuriy vitrenko, our own division of ugv service for the first time carried out a technologically complex operation on the new well, three stages of hydrodevelopment within the limits one production cycle, thanks to high-quality and coordinated work, we managed to fully reveal the potential of gas-bearing horizons and launch in kharkiv oblast david's well is more than 140,000 cubic meters of gas per day, which is important. if we talk about money, on an annual basis, 51 million cubic meters can be produced from this well, and this can help us save $102 million on the import of blue fuel, that is, can we say that from the crisis we leave in new quality and step towards our own energy, at least in the gas segment

of independence. well, i think that this is an exaggeration, because you need to know here that the same information is not intended for specialists, it is for ordinary people and this is more of a pr reaction than reality, because if you look at the problem as a whole, and it is really good that this well was put into operation, it is also normal, but if you look at the situation more comprehensively, we will see that during the last ten years we have gas production it does not grow, on the contrary, it falls, and all plans to increase gas production were not fulfilled, which means that they were completely failed. you can say that even before the war, and in fact, since 2010, we have not had or discovered a single serious field in

for ukraine, that is. that is why it is necessary to look at the information in a complex manner from all sides. it is not just to focus on some individual wells and to promote, so to speak, the whole country and some prospects, you are the prospects now to involve our american partners in the field of energy. one or another gas production structure that could closely engage in the development of our gas shale deposits, are there any prospects for them to sign contracts despite the war and start these important works? well, you yourself you understand that no one will do this during the war, there are no fools among the investors in the american, what will they invest money in the wholesale under shelling to do some

investment work, well, this is such an illusion. i think that there's nothing to talk about, that's another question already after the war period, but it's possible now, it's probably possible to have some conversations about investments , discuss some projects, well, really, there are not many investments in us now, there's not a lot of mining next, yes, by the way, energy infrastructure projects are international investors will not make mr. volodymyr for this analysis devoid of populism volodymyr omelchenko director of energy and infrastructure programs of the razumkov center worked on our air and we are now adding the economist executive director of the economic discussion club oleg penzlin mr. olezh congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes i am very glad to see you in clothes about this says that you are probably also in such combat conditions but nevertheless, as always, we do not give

up, we do not give up, we put on our jackets and that's it. we work from our not warm shelter, so well, but we understand that all our tv viewers, we hope at least for this, are now moving to their houses or some other shelters. well, we would like to bring up the topic that we with the energy sector seem to have figured it out, so the situation is difficult, but there is no nibblerout, for now we will hope that it will not happen, well, and accordingly, the economic blackout did not happen, but i would like to understand how the support programs for ukraine, in particular from the countries of the european union, have changed now, taking into account the barbaric massive missile attacks that destroy our civil infrastructure, because this fundamentally changes the economic situation in the country, well , look, now there is a preparation program for

next year, a 50 billion dollar comprehensive program, and they are actually trying to make it and pass it through the relevant representative bodies as soon as possible, because there are certain fears about the possibility of delay if the composition changes of the governing bodies of the american parliament, well, that is, there are their own questions. nevertheless, we understand that the program is being prepared and in independence from the personalities of the americans have supported and will continue to support ukraine, that is, there is no doubt here. there is information as of today that there were certain negotiations between the europeans and the americans. the americans are insisting on an increase in european aid because so far the volume of what

our american partners provide us far exceeds the european one. there is hope and expectation that it will be activated significantly. activated aid from israel because the actual trigger of this aid was the appearance of kamikaze drones in the ukrainian sky and the future supply of missiles actually from iran, which is extremely sensitive for the israelis , so in reality, so far, the situation does not look very good. i would say comforting, but at least there is no armageddon. and it looks like it and i. so far, we really can, in the best case scenario, provide security and defense expenses based on our

income, that is, what we work with you today and receive in the form of taxes barely covers our defense expenses, that is, on social expenses, there are not enough funds, today the entire social package is financed exclusively by foreign aid, most of the aid is given to us by the americans, it is very nice, it does not need to be paid back, but actually the debts of ukraine, as sovereigns , are mainly given to us by europeans in the form of long-term loans, but it is now being actively discussed, i.e. in now i remember so many conversations with you regarding credit programs for us, we said that it is good that they are also a marker. but is it expensive or have they become cheaper? of this loan. now we have our phone number. it is expensive, in principle, it is a supply of libor, but here there is a different question. the question is that we do not have an alternative, well, that is, when you and i carefully

look at the situation, ukraine is not worthy today to finance its social programs without the involvement of foreign aid, and this is true, and uh, so far there are talks about cooperation with the international monetary fund. so far, it is at the level of talks. and actually in vienna , the discussion of the actual monitoring group began today, she did not come to kyiv, she is working today from online, well, that is, there are moments that are very safe, there are moments of evaluation of the prospects of the development of the ukrainian economy, today it is no secret for anyone that ukraine, from an economic point of view, suffers no less than on the fronts, that is, there are extremely large losses and 30% of the gross domestic product, even ukraine has lost huge losses in the labor market, more than 5 million jobs, ukraine has lost 33-34%

of the ukrainian labor market, that is, those things. they are objective for our investors, they perfectly understand what is happening. therefore so far on today, the international financial markets are closed to us, no one will give us money there, because the risks are very big, the only possibility of obtaining funds is actually direct borrowing of the country as a sovereign from countries or these are bonds of the internal state loan and so-called military bonds and printing money by national the bank of ukraine at the beginning of the war, the nbu printed 330 billion uah for the second, so-so figure well, i wouldn't say that it's encouraging, but khrystyna yatskiv has some very interesting information, and then i'll add more, so to speak to this information, let's say that you are bonds and the fact that they should now be available on all platforms, even in action, this is of course great

, but i would like to understand if there is any demand for this story at all. well, in addition, the ministry of economy believes that for of the ukrainian economic miracle , the country will need to attract 70-80 billion dollars of private investment per year, and this is what minister yuriy svyridenko said at the economic forum today. ukraine's tactical goal is to return to the pre-war level and then make a leap can be characterized as an economic miracle of the leap of our ukrainian economic tiger. this is very good, but i was still beaten . i don't see any such general aggregated macroeconomic conclusion, that is, christi just voiced how much we need in order to, i don't know , jump into economic paradise, and i would still

maybe some figure of how much money we need, how much money we lack in order to keep the state afloat for the next year, 38 billion dollars is necessary, this is a figure that was announced by the ministry of finance, and this figure is in that well, if you count in hryvnias, then the expenditure part of the state budget 2 .5 million revenue part 1 billion one trillion 250 billion, i.e. exactly 50% of the expense part, we have to look somewhere, that is, walk with an outstretched hand, and if we take into account the russians who can listen to our broadcast, we can really say it here ourselves they confess yes yes look look what i 'm talking about is not some kind of secret, you open the draft budget for the 23rd year and there those numbers are the first two liquid ones, the income and expenditure part, the

income part, one trillion, 250 billion, expenditure, 2.5 ml, that's all we have to understand that we need to borrow 50% of our expenses. well, this is not a secret for anyone at the moment, and this is the figure that is officially announced. every month we need to attract loans in the form of loans and other forms of co-financing from three to four billions of dollars this year, we needed up to five billion dollars, now the economy has started to revive a little bit, business in the west has started to revive a little bit, and relocated enterprises have started to use it a little bit. improved well, count, well, you know , the excise tax on fuel there, other additional taxes

were returned there, er, they were introduced there, they returned again, er, customs payments on imports, well, that is, some additional funds of five three to four we need billions of dollars every month. the european union will be ready to increase the spending part to support ukraine, well, the americans. that's right, and every month, at least until the end of this year, they provide $1.3 billion for social expenses, plus what goes through the lend-lease system to post-war aid, well, that is there is complex and reality in this situation, the americans are very helpful, the europeans give less, that is why the americans periodically remind the europeans that after all, the war is an idea on the european continent, if someone has suddenly forgotten or stopped mentioning the process itself, that's why there is probably hope to get it. look at europe, it is not

. the advantages of digging somehow, this is the european covid fund, you understand this, this is a lot of billions, there are 100 billion and more, it seems like this is a small cube, by the way, most of the funds from it have not been used, there are some tools to influence look at them at the moment. the main question of european countries is how to help their own population to survive on this land and, for example, the germans today have provided 200 billion euros as an aid for legal entities and all, well, household consumers in order to reduce the price on the energy carrier and immediately has and immediately has a very negative reaction from the french who

said wait you will collapse the european markets at the moment and lead to very high inflation today in europe inflation is 9.5%. already today there is an announcement from the central bank of the european union that they are going to raise the refinancing rate to almost 2.5%, to increase the refinancing rate extremely strongly, to merge the euro, that is, if it will be, well, imagine how much the cost of european loans will increase, and this can seriously cause the e stagnation of the european economy even despite this, in order to fight inflation, the european central bank is trying and will probably take such a very unpopular decision, that is, they currently have extremely difficult economic problems today, the international monetary fund published a very negative, let's say, forecast for the growth of the world economy, against the background of such a forecast, we see with you that despite the decrease in oil production, the

price of oil is falling on the world market. that is, we can call for help as much as we want, but we are still playing the problem that everyone will be busy with their own problems. moments you will be with us only a ship in the capital is known for its moorings bridges and happy brides the glorious lands at the confluence of the ingula and the bus estuary have long been closely connected with the zaporozhian cossacks and for centuries formed a free ukrainian